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The prisoner against the prelate, or, A dialogue between the common goal [ie. gaol] and Cathedral of Lincoln wherein the true faith and Church of Christ are briefly discovered & vindicated ... / written by a prisoner of the baptised churches in Lincolnshire.
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Grantham, Thomas, 1634-1692.
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as thou oppos'd it in your pride Jayle I know thy Conscience tells thee there is need Of FAITH to give admittance to the Seed Of Christians unto Gospel-Sacraments For of thy Doctrine these are the Contents That Faith and true Repentance are expected Of all ere they to Bapti'm are elected Cathederal 'T is true I say Faith and Repentance are Requir'd of All as needful to prepare Them unto Baptisme but then you know Sith Infants cannot do this I allow Them Sureties who for them do then Believe And eke Repent before I them receive Jayle Well now you grant Repentance joyn'd with Faith Must be before any Admittance hath Into the Church TO THIS I DO AGREE So that the Difference 'twixt thâ—e and me Is this thou cal'st Grown Persons to Repent And then Baptisest a poor Innocent Cathederal Though this I hold 't is not a Noval thing For proof of this Authorities I 'll bring From Antient times which are irrefragable At least they 'r such as thou canst not disable The Wisdom of the Church did Infants give This Priviledge that they for aye might live Jayle This Doctrine is too new to be esteem'd True or Perpetual though by you deem'd Of such great worth Reduce this false account For it to more than nought will ne're amount O Rotten Church not now one member's known When he 's Unchurch'd to have Faith of his own Cathederal Thou lay'st so great a stress on this one Point As if 't would prove each member out of Joynt What must my Doctrine stand or fall as here I Vanquished or Victor do appear Sure though this ground I yeeld I never shall To ruine in my Church or Doctrine fall Jayle Well yeeld this ground then thou hast no faiâ—h When th' art enchurched so thou maist be grath Thou art foundationsess therefore must fall For what 's anothers Faith a rotten Wall For thee to lean upon wherefore I say This false Prop gon thy Church soon fades away Cathederal That Doctrine which I preach for a Foundation Is Christ as Crucifi'd for mans Salvation There is no Name nor Thing whereon I found My Church save this wherefore my Root issound 'T is neither Baptisme nor yet Sureties Which a Foundation-place for me supplies Jayle Alas what 's all this Talk if without Faith Which I have shew'd none of thy Members hath At their Admission nor for many Years The least lota of true Faith appears This is thy State O Minster at the best Anothers not thy own Faith which thou hast Cathederal I told thee I can prove what here I hold To be the same the Church receiv'd of old As that 's my Task and were my Study here I 'de shew this Custom 'bove One thousand year The Church hath used wherefore 't is no new Devised Fable but a Point most true Jayle No Study can accommodate thee so As to prove Sponsers Faith the Means which do Give any entrance in a Scripture way Into Christs Church wherefore I boldly say 'T is a meer Novalty and did arise When darkness came by means of Heresies Cathederal I see thou standst upon Antiquity Only as Scripture doth it amplify From whence I must confess an Evidence Cannot in terminis be fetched thence But let us hear what further thou canst say Against the use of Sponsers Faith this day Jayle I note this further as a consequence Of what thou 'st said me thinks it follows thence That Infants must sit down at Christ his Table If others Faith to Baptism them enable For can the Church in this their wants supply And not in that This soundeth monstrously Cathederal The Case is not alike for God requires A Self-examination and desires Men should the Body of our Lord discern When they approach that holy Rite to learn That so they may not drink their Condemnation In that which is ordain'd for Consolation Jayle 'T is true God call for this then pray thee why Canst thou not learn these Reasons to apply To holy Baptisme in which our Lord More Frequently requires Faith in his Word With true Repentance thus these Cases are Alike made manifest and so appear Cathederal The Churches Judgment doth the one allow And not the other unto Infants Now Either the Church or thou O Jayle must be Deceived but canst thou more clearly see Than she who hath the eye of Learning bright Sure no then cease against the Church to fight Jayle How like to Rome is this thy Argument Dost thou not know that this same Sacrament Was also given to Infants in Old time Sure there 's as plain a ground for this as thine Alleag'd for Infant-Baptism hence 't is clear As th' one so th' other thou should'st quite forbear Cathederal I know that Rome this Argument doth bring To force us when the Text saith no such thing And sure the Churches Judgment will out-weigh The private Judgement of such as inveigh Against her doings and I 'll hold me here Until a means of greater strength appear Jayle Admit the Sentence of the Church be great In things most doubtful yet I must entreat Thee not to use it till thou 'st proved plain Thy self to be that Church Yet here again I needs must tell thee That the Doctors all Engag'd ' gainst Rome about thine ears do fall Cathederal Some of my Doctors sang a Strain too high When in this Point engag'd ' gainst Popery I likewise grant before this Plea be mine I must as a true Church conspicuous shine Which I shall do ere this Discourse have end Then to the next Objection let 's descend CHAP. II. The Arg. 'Gainst Nations by the Lump For Churches being made The Jayle Disputes the Minster strives T' uphold that golden Trade Jayle MY next Objection O Cathederal Is this Christ hath no Church that 's National But Nationall thy Church is known to be Ergo Not Christ's Church but a Pedigree Of Persons yet unfit for Church-Communion Though thou with them and they with thee have Union Cathederal Fond Jayle didst never read what David said In Psalm the second were description's made Of Christ his Church to have her propagation Amongst the Gentiles to their utmost Nations And when the Kingdom was tane from the Jewes 'T was given unto a Nation Scripture shews Jayle Peter doth well expound the second Psalm In Acts the tenth when sent with Gospel-Balm Unto Cesaria where Gods acceptation Extends to such as fear him in each Nation In Peters time no Church was National Yet Holy Nation Peter doth her call Cathederal So then it seems the Church is National But by a Figure Metaphorical Consisting but of such as joyntly hold A Union in those Laws which are enrol'd In Divine Writ as touching Church-affairs I like not this for it my Pomp impairs Jayle Christ saith The Gospel would Divisions cause Such as were not occasion'd by the Laws Of Moses for in Families there should Two this three that three this and two that hold But
should leave them Cathederal So then it seems for things meerly religious Thou would have no man flain O most prodigious But then the Tâ—res will over-grow the Wheat And every one will publish his dâ—ceit Whereas by â—â—ans of my sharp punishment These evils I can easily prevent Jayle T is known that for more than three hundred years The Church had no defence from worldly Peers Yet Truth with purity did greatly prosper Errors they quash'd as falt as they did foster At least in such sort as may equallize What thou hast done by severe penalties Cathederal I said that 〈◊〉 would ' mongst the Wheat increase But this thou tacitly goest by in peace 'T is not the Heresie but Hereticks There is the spinch where this Conference sticks Now if to Kings it do not appertain These Tares to put away they must remain Jayle To them it appertains not as they 'r Kings For so men may be though plung'd deep in things Which makes them Hereticks Also the Tare Which Christ intendeth by him suffer'd are Here to â—eâ—ain until the Judgment-day Yet hath the Church them alwayes put away Cathedral Well this in short I see is thy opinion Kings ought protect all those in their Dominion In Life Estate and all things necessary If from their Civil Laws they do not vary As for the Church she only may do this Punish with Censures such â—s do amiss Jayle What is the utmost bounds of Kingly powers I 'le not dispute in this discourse of ours Which may perhaps be more than I well know Yet sure in Church-respects the Scriptures do Not give them pow'r as Kings to execute Church-Discipline and that 's what I dispute Cathedral If Kings did not assist by penalties My Church I see men would me soon dispise Nor could I live sith all my Maintenance I chiefly have by their good Countenance And hence it is men readily obey My Discipline in whatsoere I say Jayl Alas alas that thus it should be said And truly too O how 's Christs Gospel made A meer pretence whilst men their Bellies do Make their great God But this th' Apostles show Was once the way that false Apostles went And to the same way they are still intent Cathederal What wouldst thou have men sit i' th Church as Judges Of her misdoings only as her Drudges Take from my Church the profits thereto due And Officers thou wouldest find but few And thus the Church-affairs would soon be slighted Yea and perhaps the Church would be benighted Jayl Benighted why Is Silver your great Candle Or th'Oyl that feeds it One this point did handle In the Affirmative who appertains Unto thy Church when like to lose his gains Of Tithes But Paul yea and all such as he Us'd to perform their Office without Fee Cathedral Paul doth allow such as do minister In Church affairs thus to be sinister So as to live upon the Church So then We do what Paul allows ev'â— all my men Which at my Altar serve or in my Court. Thus have we Fees and Tithes in Gospel-sort Jaylâ— Such as are taught ought to communicate By gift to such as do officiate That it might be a fruit to the account Of such as give but no Text doth amount To prove that you by force should ought compel For what you pâ—â—ach from those mongst whom ye dwell Cathedral I see thou wouldest all our holy things Proceed as fruits which from the Spirit springs Whether our service to the Church or their Respects to us for all our pious care But still I tell thee nâ—ll thus my Revenue Nor Church nor Ministry would long continue Jayle No Argument more clear that thou art none Of Christ his Spouse that fair and lovely one Whose things are all perform'd by Charity Which works by love Now this disparity 'Twixt her and thee shews you cannot be one Till Grace abound and Selfishness be gone Cathederal I will not yeeld to this thy Argument Yet further talk about it I 'le prevent And hear if thou hast yet a fresh Objection Left unpropounded more for my detection Then prove thy self what thou denieft to me To wit Christs Church now let 's thy Answer see Jayle Object a very redious thing it were To say all that might be objected here But this I say the walking of thy Churches Shews that amongst you all uncleanness lurches So that as Paul saith it were a great shame The things you do in secret once to name Cathederal What then 't is known we have a discipline Provided to the end we may refine Our selves from these enormious voluptions And we have now removed some corruptions The rest in time may be removed all Intending this I am not criminal Jayle Thy Discipline small power hath but where Thou may stiget money or something appear That 's truly godly those are punished But even in thy Court is found inbred Great vileness and of late it is increased Abroad much more than when thy Court last ceased Cathederal Leave prying thus into my Churches walking I 'm tired out with thy unpleasant talking I'now expect to hear thine own defence But not in this enterchang'd conference But by a speech continu'd till thou do The heads of what thou holdest plainly show Jayle The heads of what I hold then I will shew As 't was presented to the Kings own view Signed with fourty hands of such as own The said Confession which hath now been shown In most parts of this miserable Nation Whose Church doth change 〈…〉 Powers have translation CHAP. VI. The Arg. The Jayl the Symbole of her Faith With Scripture tight doth sing And brings some of the Antients forth To witness every thing I. ARTICLE ONe God alone the Father I believe From whom all things their being did receive Eternal glor'ous and his Attributes To tell forth fully no tongue once reputes It self sufficient but with admiration Must give to him the highest Adoration The Witness of Antiquity There is but one God in Trinity three Persons in Unity one God We believe hold and faithfully maintain that God the Father begat his Wisdom by which all was made his only Son one with one co-eternal most equal and that the Spirit is both of the Father and of the Son consubstantial and coeternal with them both and that this is a trinity in respect of the persons and but one God in the inseparable Divinity c. II. ARTICLE In the beginning God created Man In a condition so compleat as then No misery was mixed therewithal From which he by transgression took a fall And hereupon he misery archieved On him and 's off spring yet it is believed By me that both this death and misery Extendeth not to all eternity The Witness of Antiquity By the death of the body we reade that some have died not for their own but for the sin of others But in the death of the soul none dieth for the sin of another For as