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A66932 A little stone, pretended to be out of the mountain, tried, and found to be a counterfeit, or, An examination & refutation of Mr. Lockyers lecture, preached at Edinburgh, anno 1651, concerning the mater of the visible church and afterwards printed with an appendix for popular government of single congregations : together with an examination, in two appendices, of what is said on these same purposes in a letter of some in Aberdene, who lately have departed from the communion and government of this church / by James Wood ... Wood, James, 1608-1664. 1654 (1654) Wing W3399; ESTC R206983 330,782 402

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independent_a ground_n as_o relate_v to_o the_o p●…sent_a question_n touch_v the_o necessary_a qualification_n of_o member_n of_o the_o visible_a kirk_n p._n 168._o part_n ii_o concern_v kirk_n government_n sect_n i._o mr._n locky_a his_o first_o assertion_n that_o the_o eldership_n within_o a_o particular_a congregation_n be_v not_o in_o most_o weighty_a thing_n to_o exert_v power_n without_o the_o consent_n and_o approbation_n of_o the_o kirk_n whereof_o they_o be_v consider_v p._n 194._o sect_n ii_o examination_n of_o his_o 1_o 2_o 3_o 4._o argument_n p._n 203._o sect_n iii_o his_o 5_o argument_n discuss_v p._n 226._o sect_n iv_o his_o argument_n from_o common_a testimony_n consider_v and_o answer_v p._n 251._o sect_n v._o his_o answer_n to_o some_o objection_n make_v against_o his_o assertion_n from_o some_o passage_n of_o scripture_n examine_v p._n 255._o sect_n vi_o his_o answer_n to_o some_o other_o objection_n make_v by_o way_n of_o reason_n examine_v p._n 263._o sect_n vii_o 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case_n ordain_v or_o excommunicate_v but_o we_o say_v that_o when_o there_o be_v more_o congregation_n to_o associate_v with_o and_o when_o association_n may_v be_v have_v they_o shall_v not_o perform_v these_o act_n alone_o but_o in_o a_o associate_n presbytery_n and_o we_o make_v not_o the_o principal_a ground_n of_o this_o that_o the_o eldership_n of_o a_o particular_a congregation_n be_v not_o sufficient_a viz._n for_o gift_n and_o ability_n for_o exercise_v these_o act_n although_o there_o be_v a_o ground_n of_o necessity_n of_o it_o ordinary_o from_o this_o it_o be_v seldom_o that_o in_o particular_a congregation_n there_o will_v be_v find_v eldership_n sufficient_a for_o manage_v these_o matter_n for_o although_o the_o eldership_n of_o a_o particular_a congregation_n be_v very_o sufficient_a this_o way_n yet_o we_o say_v they_o ought_v not_o to_o exercise_v these_o act_n by_o themselves_o without_o a_o associate_n presbytery_n at_o least_o they_o ought_v not_o to_o do_v by_o 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great_a likelihood_n that_o it_o be_v at_o least_o in_o that_o synod_n at_o jerusalem_n consider_v that_o the_o synodical_a letter_n be_v direct_v to_o they_o and_o it_o joint_o again_o the_o very_a church_n of_o jerusalem_n at_o that_o time_n at_o least_o be_v not_o a_o single_a congregation_n but_o a_o presbyterial_a church_n consist_v of_o more_o particular_a congregation_n as_o the_o author_n mention_v have_v prove_v and_o so_o be_v antioch_n too_o see_v ●us_a divin_n of_o church_n govern._n p._n 2._o c._n 13._o p._n 204._o further_o do_v not_o mr._n lock_v before_o acknowledge_v that_o meeting_n at_o jerusalem_n to_o be_v a_o synod_n often_o than_o once_o whether_o it_o be_v a_o association_n of_o two_o church_n or_o more_o this_o he_o acknowledge_v that_o it_o be_v a_o synod_n it_o be_v true_a he_o will_v have_v it_o to_o have_v be_v only_o consultative_a and_o not_o juridical_a but_o it_o suffice_v my_o purpose_n in_o call_v to_o mind_n his_o acknowledgement_n which_o be_v to_o show_v that_o he_o do_v very_o impertinent_o bring_v in_o the_o church_n of_o antioch_n in_o this_o argument_n see_v he_o confess_v it_o to_o have_v be_v in_o such_o a_o association_n as_o make_v up_o a_o synod_n which_o be_v a_o associate_n presbytery_n superior_a to_o a_o classical_a presbytery_n section_n 8_o to_o that_o we_o say_v in_o the_o answer_n to_o this_o reason_n mr._n locky_a will_v it_o seem_v say_v somewhat_o in_o the_o close_a of_o this_o sect_n 44._o to_o say_v that_o in_o extraordinary_a case_n unordinary_a thing_n may_v be_v do_v be_v little_a to_o the_o satisfaction_n of_o a_o tender_a heart_n especial_o in_o divine_a thing_n who_o be_v apt_a to_o believe_v that_o god_n have_v so_o shape_v his_o public_a ordinance_n which_o be_v enjoin_v to_o be_v use_v in_o all_o place_n that_o place_n shall_v not_o be_v a_o stand_v let_v to_o put_v his_o people_n continual_o to_o run_v beside_o the_o institute_v rule_v to_o this_o 1._o in_o extraordinary_a case_n to_o do_v thing_n 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