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A68315 The examinations of Henry Barrowe Iohn Grenewood and Iohn Penrie, before the high commissioners, and Lordes of the Counsel. Penned by the prisoners themselues before their deathes Barrow, Henry, 1550?-1593.; Greenwood, John, d. 1593. aut; Penry, John, 1559-1593. aut 1596 (1596) STC 1519; ESTC S113168 32,537 34

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