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A19060	A refutation of M. Ioseph Hall his apologeticall discourse, for the marriage of ecclesiasticall persons directed vnto M. Iohn VVhiting. In which is demonstrated the marriages of bishops, priests &c. to want all warrant of Scriptures or antiquity: and the freedome for such marriages, so often in the sayd discourse vrged, mentioned, and challenged to be a meere fiction. Written at the request of an English Protestant, by C.E. a Catholike priest.	Coffin, Edward, 1571-1626.	1619 (1619)	STC 5475; ESTC S108444	239,667	398

what his opinion was which againe is expressed in his answere to the second question of S. Augustine and all this being in S. Gregory and no memory of the contrary in any epistle of his or other mens writings of him or in what other Authour soeuer we may well laugh at their temerity or rather lament their ignorance and simplicity who will belieue such toyes and offer to be cast in their cause vpon so friuolous and fabulous a tryall no poeticall fiction in all Ouids Metamorphosis no dialogue in Lucian or tale in Esop being more fond false and improbable then this of the infants heades or that S. Huldricke was the Authour of that fantasticall Epistle 35. Furthermore that more then six thousand heads in so short a tyme after S. Gregoryes decree More then six thousand heads in one pond should be found in one pond and all these to haue beene the base children of Clergy men may be told more then six thousand tymes to any man of iudgment in the world neuer be belieued much lesse of any who know Monstrum horrendū informe ingens Rome about which now there are no ponds and I thinke verily there were as many then that so many heades should be found without the bodyes all to be knowne by their looks belike to haue beene the children of Priests other Ecclesiasticall men is a fit fable for Fox to insert into the Acts and Monuments of his Church for similes habent labra lactucas the truth of the Church of Protestants and these historyes is alike and this may be told in Virginiae if euer any more Ministers be sent thither to preach or in some other parts of the West Indyes where the people being rude and sauage will be easily induced to beleeue any thing that is brought them by trauellers who talke of things done in other Countryes a far of they hauing no meanes nor list to examine the truth of the things reported 36. And if all other arguments fayled the stile and phrase of this Satyricall epistle well The stile of this bastard epistle sheweth the Authour to haue beene no Saint or of any saintlike disposition for who would euer vse such tearmes vnto his Superiour vnto the chiefe Pastour and Gouernour of Christ his flocke as to say through your imperious Tiranny for is not this to be counted a violence and tyranny c. who would euer twyte the Pope with cruelty persecuting and despightfully handling of the Clergy such base and rebellious dealing may better beseem M. A. de Dominis that lewd lost renegate then meeke S. Vdalricke what Saint finally would say For so much then o Apostolicall Syr as no man which knoweth you is ignorant that if you through the light of your discretion had vnderstood and seene what poysoned pestilence might haue come into the Church through the sentence of this your decree c. Moreouer there are so many Ministeriall phrases in this letter as the institution of the Ghospell the word of the Lord and the like such mad application of the Scripture such sp●use aduertisments from the Lord graced in the margent with M. Foxes notes whereof one is what it is to marry in the Lord with a solemne shutting vp of the letter as it were of a sermon with these words seeing that no man without chastity not only in Virgins state but also in the state of matrimony shall see our Lord who with the Father and the holy Ghost liueth and reigneth for euer Amen as any may see it was neuer written by the holy and learned S. Vdalricke but was inuented by some ignorant Minister who scant knew the lawes of a letter which is not to be ended like a sermon although otherwise in lying and rayling he were very practicall and his crafts maister 37. For notwithstanding all M. Halls encomiasticall The proofs of that letter weake simple ridiculous prayses of conuincing all aduersaryes of being so potent an aduocate the lik● whosoeuer will examine the proofes there alleadged and analize the whole letter shall see how far he wes to seeke for sound grounds of learning who wrote the same and how feeble his reasons are for this purpose the greatest part of that epistle being also spent either in some bitter inuectiue or other as in the beginning against the Pope presently after against such as liue incontinently in single life and commit sinnes against nature as though marryed men did not the like and therfore as well marriage as single life were to be taken away because both are subiect to abuse in all the later part which is more then the halfe no one place or argument is brought or vrged of any moment but these wordes he that can take let him take which we allow and according to that rule square this consequence he tha● can liue a single life may be a Priest and he who cannot may refuse there is no enforcement no compulsion all passeth by free choice and voluntary election and this Authour in the words immediatly before sayth that such as haue vowed continency are excepted from this rule and are bound to conteyne it being now no more in their power to take or leaue and so if Priests as they do make a solemne vow or profession of chastity why should not they be bound also to the obseruance of the vow they haue made as well as the other what reason can there be assigned why the vow which Religious persōs make of chastity should bind them and the selfe same vow made by Priests should not bind at all but leaue them as free as they were before 39. All the rest of that letter is in documēts bitter Satyrs and other such trash and the proof Small proofe for the marriage of Clergy men from the beginning to the end is very little and to no purpose at all he beginneth with the permission of the old law not recalled as he sayth in the new to which before we haue answered and heere add further the testimony of Venerable Bede more Beda in illud Lucae 1. cùm implarentur dies officij ●ius ancient then S. Huldricke Hoc est quod dixi quod vicis sua tempore P●ntifices templi tantum officijs mancipati c. This is that which I sayd that the Priests when their course came being tyed only to the offices of the Church did forbeare not only from the company of their wiues but from the very entring into their houses wherby is giuen an example to the Priests of our tyme to keep perpetuall chastity who are alwayes commanded to serue the Altar For in the old law because the Priestly succession was preserued in the stocke of Aaron it was necessary to allot them some tyme for preseruing their issue but now because there is no carnall succession sought after but spirituall perfection the Priests that they may alwayes attend vnto the Altar are alwayes to conteyne from

A REFVTATION OF M. IOSEPH HALL HIS APOLOGETICALL DISCOVRSE FOR THE Marriage of Ecclesiasticall Persons directed vnto M. Iohn VVhiting IN WHICH Is demonstrated the Marriages of Bishops Priests c. to want all warrant of Scriptures or Antiquity and the freedome for such Marriages so often in the sayd discourse vrged mentioned and challenged to be a meere fiction Written at the request of an English Protestant By C. E. a Catholike Priest Libertatem promittentes cùm ipsi sint serui corruptionis Promising freedome whiles themselues are the slaues of corruption 2. Petr. 2. Permissu Superiorum M. DC XIX AN ADVERTISEMENT TO THE READER WHEREAS according to the order set downe in the ensuing Letter I had determined to adde another Paragraffe to the former three cōteyning A detection of M. Halls errours and ouersights in writing I found in the pursuit therof so aboundant matter as I could not comprize it all within the narrow bounds of a Paragraffe and increasing so much vnder my hands I resolued at length to set it out a part at amounting to more then what I haue already written in answere of this Letter to M Whiting which being one entier Controuersy might perhaps better be set out alone thē conio●ned with other points nothing at all incident to that matter as are the other doctrinall Errours Vntruths Mistakings Impostures and other fraudulent ignorant and malicious behauiour which I am forced to detect and wherwith all the ●apsodyes of his Epistles that contey● any disputable question are fraught to the full Another cause heerof was for that a Gentleman lately come out of England gaue me notice of other bookes of the same Authour which I had not yet seene and of one entituled The peace of Rome on which in particuler dependeth very much of that which I haue written in the Detection especially in refuting that most shameles assertion Decad. 3. Epist 5. that Bellarmin acknowledgeth vnder his owne hand two hundred thirty and seauen Contrarietyes of doctrine amongst Catholiks which is nothing els but 237. lyes in one assertion if he meane as he must do of points that belong to sayth and Religion and not of matter vndecided and meerly disputable in Schooles And yet further which to one not acquainted with the forhead of Heretikes may seeme incredible he auoucheth the dissensions of Protestāts to be only in cerimonyes of the Catholiks in substance theirs in one or two points ours in all Againe ours is in the whole cloath theirs only in the skirts c. with more to the same effect All which or at least the chiefest part I meane the disagreement of Catholiks in fundamentall points are as I suppose discussed in that worke and I cannot so well refute his words in generall vntill I see his speciall prooses that are made against our vnity and the proper subiect of euery particuler dissension Only heere to his generall charge I returne also in generall this answere That neither he nor all of his Sect set togeather can make this good and in case he be so bold in his Peace as he hath beene in his other VVritings we shall find store of most impudent vntruths for lying and detraction if it be for the aduancement of the Ghospell seem with this Man to be meritorious works and those deliuered with such audacity as if they were most certaine and vncontrollable truthes of which kind there be many disco●ered in the refutation of this Letter but the number that remaine is without comparison greater which when I consider togeather with his eminent ignorance I cannot but greatly admire the scarcity of learned men in our Countrey that could find no better Doctours to send to Do●t Conference to conclude the peace between the skirtwrangling-Brethren then M. Hall no more to be cōpared with learned men then a Pedlar with Merchants a Pettifogger with Lawyers a meer Pedanticall Grammarian with graue and learned Deuines VVere the matter in Controuersy to be concluded with outfacing of lyes M. Hall might sit for Arbiter and Iudge of the whole Assembly vnles they be too shameles ouerbeare them all Of a mayne multitude which already I haue set downe in the Detection I will touch one heer and that only to discharge and cleare my selfe from that wherof I accuse him I meane of detraction and defaming his person Let this then passe for an example which so confidently he writeth in his Quo vadis or Censure of Pag. 41. Trauell where though he say that A discreet man will be ashamed to subscribe his name to that whereof he may be afterwards conuinced yet Pag. 6● so indiscretly doth he deale as he blusheth not to write in these wordes What packets fly abroad of their Indian wonders Euen Cardinall Bellarmine can come in as an auoucher of these cosenages who dares auerre that his fellow Xauier had not only healed the deafe dumbe and blind but raysed the dead whiles his brother Acosta after many yeares spent in those parts can pul him by the sleeue and tell him in his eare so loud that all the world may heare him Prodigia nulla producimus neque verò est opus c. So M. Hall And I appeale to all the Ministers of Dort whether they euer heard a more impudent vntruth For first Acosta was neuer in the East Indyes at all nor Xauier in the VVest and how then would Acosta spend many years in those parts where Xauier had liued This is one lye and that so long a one as it reacheth as far as it is from the East to the VVest or from the Artick to the Antartick Pole Againe so far is Acosta from pulling Bellarmine by the sleeue or disauowing the miracles of Xauier as in this very worke he doth both acknowledge confesse them for true For thus he writeth Conuertamus oculos in Lib. 2. 10. saeculi nostri hominem B. Magistrum Franciscum virum Apostolicae vitae c. Let vs cast our eyes vpon a man of our age on B. Maister Francis Xauier a man of an Apostolicall life of whome so many so great miracles are recorded by many and those approued witnesses as there are scant recounted more or greater vnles it be of the Apostles of any VVhat haue M. Gaspar Berzaeus other not a few of his Cōpanions done in the East Indies How much haue they aduanced the glory of Gods power in conuerting that people by their miraculous workes So far Acosta Out of whose wordes deliuered in so plaine honourable tearmes of this Blessed Man Francis Xauier the Reader may see whether he were a fit witnes to be produced against the miracles of the sayd Father whether he pull Bellarmine by the sleeue and cry so loud in his eare that all the world may heare him or rather whether M. Hall do not most lewdly lye and maliciously abuse his Reader in applyirg that to Xauerius which Acosta spake only of himselfe and others then liuing with him in