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A02199 More vvorke for priests: or An answere to George Giffords pretended defence of read prayers and devised leitourgies comprised in the first part of his booke; intituled A short treatise against the Donatists of England: wherein is proved that the serving of God in such away [sic] and manner is a superstitious and vaine worship. Written by John Greenwood Christs faythfull martyr: here-unto is added by another man, many other argumers [sic] against stinted service and booke-prayer.; Answere to George Giffords pretended defence of read praiers and devised litourgies Greenwood, John, d. 1593. 1640 (1640) STC 12341; ESTC S103421 44,326 116

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enmity_n and_o battle_n between_o the_o spirit_n and_o the_o flesh_n every_o where_o speak_v of_o gall_n 5.16.17_o rom._n 7._o may_v i_o not_o now_o say_v then_o that_o paul_n never_o continue_v captive_a unto_o sin_n nor_o consent_v unto_o sin_n concern_v the_o inner_a man_n or_o give_v place_n unto_o sin_n in_o that_o place_n mention_v without_o heresy_n and_o still_o reprove_v you_o that_o when_o paul_n reason_v of_o the_o old_a man_n or_o corruption_n in_o he_o you_o will_v conclude_v it_o of_o the_o new_a man_n or_o inner_a man_n and_o of_o the_o whole_a man_n when_o you_o see_v evident_o he_o oppose_v the_o one_o against_o the_o other_o for_o while_o the_o spirit_n strive_v against_o sin_n and_o reign_v in_o we_o though_o the_o flesh_n rebel_n and_o cause_v we_o to_o sin_v seven_o time_n a_o day_n yet_o be_v we_o not_o overcome_v of_o sine_fw-la so_o to_o remain_v in_o bondage_n no_o sin_n that_o it_o shall_v continue_v to_o reign_v in_o we_o as_o you_o may_v see_v in_o the_o 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