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fris_n adscript_n thes_n 155._o ad_fw-la thes_n 168._o see_v robb_n apol._n chap._n 2._o idem_fw-la ibid._n praeface_n p._n 9_o five_o ignorant_n and_o superstitious_a person_n be_v strengthen_v in_o a_o slight_a esteem_n of_o baptism_n and_o a_o idolize_v of_o the_o lord_n supper_n when_o they_o see_v that_o any_o without_o difference_n be_v admit_v to_o that_o but_o care_n be_v take_v that_o only_a those_o that_o be_v approve_v be_v admit_v to_o this_o as_o if_o a_o fitness_n be_v not_o as_o well_o require_v in_o he_o that_o will_v partake_v of_o the_o blood_n of_o christ_n and_o of_o remission_n of_o sin_n by_o it_o in_o baptism_n as_o in_o the_o lord_n supper_n for_o the_o same_o remission_n of_o sin_n be_v alike_o propound_v in_o they_o boath_n sixthly_a to_o those_o of_o the_o separation_n it_o give_v no_o small_a offence_n who_o for_o this_o cause_n complain_v of_o the_o dutch_a reform_a church_n as_o neither_o so_o true_a to_o their_o own_o ground_n as_o they_o aught_v their_o 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place_n thereof_o any_o of_o which_o be_v alike_o imitable_a other_o of_o they_o be_v constant_a always_o the_o same_o and_o therefore_o stand_v as_o a_o cloud_n of_o witness_n require_v our_o imitation_n the_o issue_n of_o all_o which_o be_v that_o those_o example_n which_o be_v back_v with_o some_o divine_a precept_n or_o which_o be_v hold_v forth_o in_o the_o first_o institution_n of_o a_o ordinance_n be_v part_n of_o the_o institution_n or_o which_o be_v the_o constant_a lawful_a action_n of_o holy_a man_n in_o scripture_n not_o civil_a but_o sacred_a so_o bound_v we_o to_o imitation_n as_o that_o not_o to_o conform_v thereunto_o be_v a_o sin_n these_o thing_n be_v premise_v it_o be_v evident_a that_o promiscuous_a baptise_v in_o that_o manner_n as_o that_o writing_n require_v if_o it_o swerve_v from_o such_o good_a custom_n of_o the_o church_n and_o example_n of_o holy_a
baptism_n by_o the_o advice_n of_o the_o english_a presbytery_n without_o require_v the_o counsel_n of_o the_o classis_fw-la or_o observe_v the_o custom_n of_o that_o place_n therein_o if_o so_o why_o not_o in_o this_o case_n also_o the_o case_n whereat_o i_o stick_v be_v to_o be_v free_a not_o to_o baptise_v those_o infant_n who_o parent_n be_v no_o member_n of_o that_o church_n be_v altogether_o unknown_a for_o which_o purpose_n i_o insist_v upon_o this_o demand_n which_o i_o still_o think_v to_o be_v equal_a and_o in_o that_o place_n necessary_a that_o none_o such_o shall_v present_v their_o child_n in_o public_a to_o be_v baptize_v by_o i_o till_o i_o have_v before_o receive_v satisfaction_n concern_v they_o by_o private_a conference_n with_o they_o or_o otherwise_o yet_o to_o prevent_v all_o offence_n i_o free_o offer_v in_o any_o difficult_a case_n that_o may_v fall_v out_o to_o acquaint_v the_o english_a presbytery_n with_o it_o and_o to_o seek_v their_o advice_n now_o if_o my_o demand_n about_o be_v satisfy_v concern_v the_o parent_n and_o presenter_n be_v judge_v by_o those_o five_o learned_a and_o prudent_a man_n fit_a to_o be_v grant_v in_o any_o other_o case_n why_o not_o in_o this_o case_n let_v the_o difference_n be_v show_v between_o other_o case_n and_o this_o in_o reference_n to_o my_o demand_n will_v they_o say_v this_o case_n be_v already_o determine_v let_v they_o show_v where_o if_o they_o say_v in_o the_o scripture_n let_v they_o allege_v one_o text_n from_o the_o first_o of_o genesis_n to_o the_o last_o of_o the_o revelation_n for_o it_o if_o they_o say_v in_o some_o nationall_n synod_n of_o these_o country_n let_v they_o name_v the_o synod_n and_o produce_v the_o canon_n in_o any_o one_o synod_n that_o have_v be_v from_o the_o begin_n of_o reformation_n to_o this_o day_n if_o they_o can_v as_o it_o be_v certain_a they_o can_v where_o then_o if_o they_o say_v in_o the_o classis_fw-la it_o will_v concern_v the_o classis_fw-la to_o show_v 1_o by_o what_o right_a they_o take_v upon_o they_o to_o limit_v the_o church_n in_o such_o case_n wherein_o the_o scripture_n and_o the_o synod_n have_v leave_v they_o at_o liberty_n 2._o how_o this_o come_v to_o be_v so_o particular_o and_o severe_o press_v upon_o the_o minister_n of_o the_o english_a church_n see_v no_o more_o be_v require_v of_o the_o minister_n of_o any_o other_o church_n by_o the_o classical_a order_n then_o to_o subscribe_v to_o the_o catechism_n and_o to_o the_o belgic_a confession_n and_o to_o the_o last_o synod_n of_o dort_n but_o no_o such_o practice_n be_v teach_v or_o defend_v in_o any_o one_o of_o these_o 2._o this_o further_a may_v be_v collect_v out_o of_o the_o concession_n of_o these_o five_o minister_n that_o the_o judgement_n of_o the_o english_a presbytery_n be_v sufficient_a in_o some_o case_n which_o may_v fall_v out_o and_o cause_n doubt_v in_o the_o minister_n about_o baptise_v some_o that_o be_v bring_v and_o that_o in_o those_o case_n it_o be_v to_o be_v hear_v and_o rest_v in_o if_o it_o can_v be_v obtain_v without_o the_o judgement_n of_o the_o classis_fw-la which_o the_o minister_n be_v not_o bind_v to_o seek_v but_o when_o it_o be_v needful_a through_o his_o not_o obtain_v the_o other_o herein_o they_o contradict_v the_o answerer_n who_o conclude_v the_o elder_n to_o be_v insufficient_a for_o this_o and_o that_o 6._o sect._n 23._o ans_fw-fr 6._o not_o by_o a_o common_a insufficiency_n that_o be_v in_o all_o man_n for_o holy_a administration_n 1._o cor._n 2.16_o but_o by_o a_o special_a insufficiency_n in_o case_n of_o this_o nature_n which_o be_v the_o rather_o to_o be_v observe_v because_o there_o he_o say_v that_o the_o classis_fw-la have_v already_o judge_v and_o determine_v it_o and_o therefore_o they_o be_v insufficient_a but_o here_o he_o say_v the_o five_o minister_n have_v refer_v i_o to_o the_o judgement_n of_o the_o english_a presbytery_n &_o elsewhere_o he_o say_v 19_o sect._n 19_o that_o this_o writing_n of_o the_o five_o minister_n be_v by_o all_o the_o minister_n of_o the_o classis_fw-la with_o one_o consent_n approve_a and_o confirm_v if_o this_o be_v so_o then_o the_o classis_fw-la have_v not_o judge_v the_o elder_n to_o be_v insufficient_a in_o case_n of_o this_o nature_n thus_o he_o may_v be_v find_v not_o only_o contradict_v by_o the_o classis_fw-la but_o also_o contradictory_n to_o himself_o 3._o this_o also_o be_v employ_v in_o this_o expression_n of_o the_o five_o minister_n that_o if_o the_o judgement_n of_o the_o presbytery_n can_v be_v obtain_v and_o so_o it_o be_v needful_a to_o seek_v the_o judgement_n of_o the_o classis_fw-la that_o then_o it_o shall_v be_v hear_v and_o rest_v in_o so_o far_o as_o the_o judgement_n of_o the_o presbytery_n shall_v have_v be_v rest_v in_o if_o it_o can_v have_v be_v obtain_v so_o far_o i_o say_v for_o the_o answerer_n say_v there_o be_v case_n 24._o sect._n 24._o wherein_o their_o judgement_n must_v not_o be_v rest_v in_o but_o the_o matter_n must_v be_v bring_v to_o the_o classis_fw-la whereunto_o i_o add_v that_o there_o be_v case_n wherein_o we_o must_v not_o rest_v in_o the_o determination_n of_o class_n or_o synod_n but_o appeal_v to_o the_o scripture_n as_o to_o the_o high_a judicatory_a and_o therefore_o be_v alike_o bind_v to_o rest_v in_o the_o determination_n of_o the_o presbytery_n and_o of_o the_o classis_fw-la that_o be_v in_o neither_o of_o they_o further_o than_o they_o agree_v with_o the_o scripture_n 4._o when_o they_o add_v that_o the_o judgement_n of_o the_o classis_fw-la be_v to_o be_v saught_v in_o case_n of_o necessity_n so_o far_o as_o it_o may_v be_v do_v convenient_o they_o suppose_v true_o that_o the_o case_n may_v be_v such_o as_o it_o can_v be_v do_v convenient_o or_o at_o all_o do_v when_o a_o minister_n be_v put_v upon_o it_o sudden_o for_o even_o while_o he_o be_v in_o the_o pulpit_n the_o child_n be_v bring_v many_o time_n where_o shall_v he_o find_v the_o classis_fw-la at_o such_o a_o time_n when_o he_o can_v not_o have_v time_n so_o much_o as_o to_o advise_v with_o the_o elder_n that_o sit_v before_o he_o without_o make_v some_o public_a disturbance_n which_o very_a consideration_n serve_v to_o declare_v the_o reasonableness_n of_o my_o demand_n for_o private_a satisfaction_n to_o be_v give_v i_o before_o hand_n to_o prevent_v all_o public_a disturbance_n 5._o this_o seem_a concession_n be_v mere_o seem_v and_o it_o be_v contradictory_n to_o itself_o for_o 1_o if_o there_o be_v case_n wherein_o the_o judgement_n of_o the_o elder_n will_v be_v requisite_a and_o necessary_a why_o do_v they_o hinder_v i_o from_o the_o use_n of_o mean_n to_o find_v out_o those_o cause_n when_o they_o bound_v i_o to_o baptise_v those_o that_o be_v bring_v though_o i_o have_v no_o knowledge_n of_o they_o by_o private_a conference_n or_o otherwise_o 2._o if_o that_o way_n of_o have_v some_o precedent_n private_a examination_n of_o the_o parent_n &_o surety_n in_o christian_a religion_n be_v so_o great_o approve_v by_o they_o that_o they_o do_v judge_v that_o this_o fore_n say_v examination_n be_v ordain_v so_o far_o as_o may_v stand_v with_o the_o aedification_n of_o the_o english_a church_n why_o do_v they_o afterward_o add_v that_o if_o the_o parent_n or_o surety_n shall_v refuse_v to_o come_v &_o undergo_v this_o examination_n or_o those_o that_o do_v come_v shall_v not_o seem_v for_o that_o time_n to_o satisfy_v the_o brethren_n etc._n etc._n yet_o the_o infant_n etc._n etc._n shall_v not_o therefore_o be_v exclude_v from_o baptism_n or_o deprive_v thereof_o this_o be_v that_o which_o the_o satire_n can_v not_o understand_v that_o a_o man_n shall_v warm_v his_o hand_n and_o cool_v his_o pottage_n with_o the_o same_o blast_n of_o breath_n nor_o can_v i_o see_v how_o by_o the_o same_o man_n in_o the_o same_o writing_n the_o same_o course_n shall_v be_v so_o great_o approve_v and_o applaud_v that_o they_o judge_v that_o it_o must_v be_v ordain_v and_o yet_o afterward_o so_o much_o slight_v that_o man_n that_o will_v not_o submit_v to_o it_o be_v leave_v free_a and_o that_o by_o their_o ordinance_n to_o do_v what_o they_o listen_v the_o end_n of_o that_o ordinance_n be_v the_o aedification_n of_o the_o english_a church_n by_o a_o reverend_a and_o right_a use_n of_o the_o seal_n if_o for_o this_o end_n that_o course_n be_v to_o be_v ordain_v why_o be_v it_o not_o to_o be_v maintain_v for_o the_o same_o end_n either_o it_o be_v too_o frivolouâ—â—o_o be_v ordain_v to_o such_o a_o end_n or_o it_o be_v too_o weighty_a to_o be_v slight_v in_o such_o a_o manner_n 6._o what_o help_n can_v be_v expect_v from_o the_o english_a presbytery_n in_o this_o case_n wheâ—_n the_o answerer_n will_v always_o interpose_v either_o to_o have_v matter_n conclude_v according_a to_o this_o custom_n and_o
thereupon_o much_o bitterness_n in_o terrify_v menace_n be_v express_v against_o i_o in_o public_a audience_n this_o i_o only_o mention_v to_o show_v the_o cause_n of_o my_o stay_n in_o these_o part_n 2._o be_v thus_o hinder_v from_o return_v to_o england_n my_o family_n also_o be_v with_o i_o in_o amsterdam_n i_o be_v willing_a to_o be_v as_o profitable_a as_o i_o may_v to_o other_o without_o give_v just_a offence_n to_o any_o for_o this_o end_n be_v request_v by_o the_o master_n of_o the_o family_n where_o i_o sojourn_v i_o set_v a_o convenient_a time_n apart_o every_o lord_n day_n about_o 5_o a_o clock_n in_o the_o afternoon_n which_o be_v above_o a_o hour_n after_o the_o sermon_n be_v end_v in_o the_o english_a church_n to_o catechise_v boath_n our_o family_n upon_o such_o ground_n of_o divinity_n as_o i_o collect_v from_o the_o scripture_n which_o i_o open_v and_o apply_v to_o they_o to_o this_o excercise_n at_o first_o few_o come_v afterward_o more_o come_v to_o the_o knowledge_n of_o it_o more_o resort_v the_o great_a number_n for_o aught_o i_o have_v hear_v which_o at_o the_o most_o have_v be_v observe_v to_o be_v present_a at_o it_o exceed_v not_o 80_o person_n it_o be_v true_a that_o as_o the_o number_n increase_v some_o form_n be_v provide_v for_o they_o to_o sit_v upon_o to_o save_v the_o chair_n &_o stool_n from_o hurt_n i_o have_v the_o less_o cause_n of_o suspicion_n that_o this_o will_v be_v offensive_a see_v it_o hinder_v none_o from_o the_o public_a ordinance_n which_o myself_o and_o all_o the_o rest_n frequent_v constant_o and_o see_v almost_o as_o great_a a_o number_n have_v resort_v to_o a_o like_a excercise_n at_o the_o same_o hour_n in_o a_o private_a family_n with_o the_o answerers_n approbation_n former_o but_o now_o the_o case_n be_v alter_v and_o the_o answerer_n raise_v causeless_o jealousy_n 14_o sect._n 21._o line_n 14._o 14_o concern_v this_o course_n as_o if_o it_o have_v be_v the_o begin_n of_o some_o sect._n but_o most_o injurious_o as_o not_o only_o his_o own_o pen_n declare_v in_o the_o follow_a section_n but_o also_o those_o that_o hear_v can_v testify_v from_o the_o whole_a scope_n of_o that_o exercise_n which_o be_v to_o arm_v they_o against_o the_o danger_n of_o be_v carry_v away_o by_o the_o error_n of_o sectarye_n and_o the_o open_a carriage_n of_o it_o manife_v for_o not_o only_o the_o elder_n and_o deacon_n will_v have_v show_v their_o dislike_n if_o any_o such_o sinister_a course_n have_v be_v attempt_v as_o their_o place_n require_v but_o also_o those_o who_o come_v as_o spy_v and_o we_o know_v to_o be_v such_o yet_o exclude_v none_o will_v have_v disclose_v it_o to_o the_o answerer_n and_o divulge_v it_o to_o the_o world_n yea_o and_o i_o own_o conscience_n know_v that_o one_o main_n encouragement_n of_o my_o uphold_v that_o private_a excercise_n be_v that_o thereby_o a_o rent_n in_o the_o church_n may_v be_v prevent_v and_o the_o public_a peace_n preserve_v while_o the_o member_n be_v somewhat_o quiet_v and_o content_v with_o that_o help_n in_o private_a which_o be_v deny_v they_o in_o public_a and_o my_o own_o heart_n be_v privy_a to_o my_o intendment_n at_o that_o time_n of_o do_v the_o best_a office_n i_o can_v for_o the_o quiet_a settle_n of_o a_o faithful_a man_n in_o the_o public_a work_n if_o god_n providence_n shall_v offer_v one_o unto_o they_o while_o i_o stay_v with_o they_o that_o so_o peace_n and_o concord_n may_v be_v wrought_v between_o the_o pastor_n and_o people_n if_o it_o may_v be_v before_o my_o departure_n thence_o this_o be_v my_o intent_n and_o the_o event_n show_v that_o i_o be_v not_o whole_o mistake_v in_o my_o conjecture_n as_o will_v be_v evident_a to_o he_o that_o shall_v compare_v the_o carriage_n of_o matter_n while_o i_o live_v among_o they_o with_o the_o accident_n that_o happen_v since_o yet_o when_o i_o perceive_v that_o the_o answerer_n take_v such_o offence_n at_o this_o exercise_n i_o desist_v before_o any_o speak_v with_o mr._n wh_o from_o the_o classis_fw-la but_o with_o i_o none_o of_o they_o ever_o speak_v about_o it_o thus_o i_o may_v say_v with_o he_o in_o aristophanes_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d for_o do_v well_o i_o suffer_v ill_a but_o the_o servant_n be_v not_o above_o his_o lord_n his_o answer_n to_o the_o 21._o section_n examine_v concern_v some_o of_o the_o member_n withdraw_v themselves_o from_o the_o lord_n supper_n as_o one_o absurdity_n usual_o follow_v another_o so_o be_v it_o with_o the_o answerer_n in_o pen_v this_o treatise_n for_o have_v take_v liberty_n to_o cast_v the_o suspicion_n of_o all_o other_o miscarriage_n which_o have_v happen_v in_o other_o upon_o i_o though_o most_o injurious_o he_o now_o continue_v the_o same_o note_n say_v that_o howsoever_o i_o do_v mislike_n &_o speak_v against_o separation_n and_o schysme_n and_o reprove_v the_o same_o yet_o can_v i_o not_o altogether_o clear_v myself_o of_o be_v some_o occasion_n of_o division_n among_o they_o while_o i_o maintain_v such_o practice_n so_o different_a from_o they_o ans_fw-fr 1._o it_o be_v well_o that_o his_o pen_n do_v clear_v i_o from_o incline_v to_o schysme_n or_o separation_n who_o tongue_n have_v unjust_o raise_v suspicion_n thereof_o against_o i_o in_o the_o mind_n of_o some_o yea_o that_o his_o own_o hand_n wright_v in_o this_o section_n 10._o sect._n 2._o and_o 10._o have_v clear_v i_o of_o those_o contrary_a aspersion_n and_o imputation_n by_o himself_o cast_v upon_o i_o and_o write_v and_o print_v against_o i_o in_o other_o section_n 2._o what_o need_n be_v there_o that_o i_o shall_v go_v about_o to_o clear_v myself_o from_o that_o which_o be_v not_o a_o fault_n for_o if_o to_o be_v some_o occasion_n of_o division_n among_o man_n by_o maintain_v a_o practice_n different_a from_o other_o be_v blame-worthy_a then_o paul_n and_o barnabas_n be_v to_o be_v blame_v for_o that_o practice_n of_o they_o different_a from_o those_o beleiver_n who_o hold_v that_o it_o be_v needful_a to_o be_v circumcise_v after_o the_o manner_n of_o moses_n etc._n act_n 15._o 〈◊〉_d etc._n etc._n for_o the_o text_n say_v they_o have_v no_o small_a dissension_n and_o disputation_n with_o they_o so_o be_v paul_n and_o silas_n who_o be_v accuse_v at_o philippi_n before_o the_o magistrate_n as_o exceed_v troubler_n of_o the_o city_n for_o teach_v custom_n 16.20.21_o act._n 16.20.21_o which_o be_v not_o lawful_a for_o they_o to_o receive_v be_v roman_n at_o thessalonica_n jason_n &_o other_o brethren_n be_v accuse_v to_o be_v those_o that_o turn_v the_o world_n upside_o down_o nor_o can_v it_o be_v deny_v that_o paul_n be_v some_o occasion_n of_o that_o great_a stir_v and_o uproar_n 17.6_o act_n 17.6_o which_o arise_v in_o ephesus_n whereby_o the_o whole_a city_n be_v fill_v with_o confusion_n and_o howsoever_o he_o labour_v by_o all_o concord_n with_o they_o in_o thing_n lawful_a to_o enjoy_v peace_n at_o jerusalem_n as_o by_o purify_n himself_o &c._n &c._n 30._o act_n 19.23_o act_n 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