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A34958 The two books of John Crellius Francus, touching one God the Father wherein many things also concerning the nature of the Son of God and the Holy Spirit are discoursed of / translated out of the Latine into English.; De uno Deo Patre libri duo. English Crell, Johann, 1590-1633. 1665 (1665) Wing C6880; ESTC R7613 369,117 356

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