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A79520	An answer to a book which Samuel Eaton put up to the Parliament: which he saith he is a teacher of the Church of Christ, heretofore meeting at Ducken-field, now at Stockport in Cheshire; and he cals the title of his book Quakers confuted. Moses who was a judg quaked and trembled, David a king in Israel quaked and trembled, and Solomon who was a king trembled, and Daniel a servant of the most high God trembled, ... And these heard the voice of God, and thou that writest, thou mayest say thou hast confuted all them; for he that is against them, is against us, and he that is against us, is against them, for the same power is witnessed; but thou Eaton, who saith thou art a teacher of the church at Duckenfield, who saith thou hast heard the voice of the living God, and that such a voice as this, as comes immediately from God, you have not heard, ... And Isaiah saith, hear the word of the Lord all ye that tremble at his word; and this is the man that I do regard, saith the Lord, that is of a contrite heart, and trembleth at my word; but such Eaton and his church doth not regard, but custs out friends of the Lord from them, whom the world calls Quakers.	Camm, John, 1604?-1656.	1654 (1654)	Wing C389; Thomason E735_9; ESTC R206969	38,921	53

rule for the Scripture saith As he is so are we in this present world Obj. And thou sayest but Ministerial gifts are not to be found in the world which the Ministers of the Gospel had Rep. Here to the view of all people thou hast brought thy self un-the curse for if it be not the same M●n●stery and the same gifts it is another therefore silence flesh let the Apostles alone command and charge thee in the presence of the Lord who sayest the gifts are not now to be found in the world which the Ministers of the Go●pel had here thou hast cleared thy self and thy generation from them if it be not the same it is another which is contrary and here thou shewest thy self to be the w●●ch that bewitches people Object Which saith there is now no such gifts as they had which were Ministers of the Spirit nor any such Pastors Offic●rs and Teachers now as was then Rep. Here again I charge thee in the presence of the Lord to be a lyar who hath shut thy self in the state of the Pharisees hath cleared thy self from the Church of God Pastors Officers and Teachers for the Officers Pastors and Teachers are the same now which ever was we witness it and witness thee to be a lyar and all that are not the same Officers Pastors Teachers and Ministers of the Spirit are accused which thou and all thy Generation are guilty of who are not the same Officers Pastors Teachers and Ministers as was then and if not the same then they are contrary to Scriptures and here let the Scriptures condemn thee and them and here thou deny'st your selve to be any Pastors Teachers of the Church of Christ who saith there is none such now as was then and we witness the Church of Christ the Piller and ground of truth to be the same now as ever was and the same Officers Pastors Ministers and Teachers of the Spirit as ever was and yours thou sayest is not the same therefore they are all false contrary to the Scriptures contrary to the Gospel therefore the curse is upon thee who sayest they are not the same now as was then we witness Christ the same yesterday to day and for ever and what hast thou to do to talk of establishing truth which sayes Officers are not the same now as was then then the truth is not the same nor the Gospel there thou shewest thy self to be a gainsayer and what hast thou to do to talk of qualifications who would make truth changeable truth changes not Obj. And as thou sayest you reason there is no believers in these latter ages because thou sayest they shall cast out devils and speak with new tongues Reply In thy generation there is not but they which believe now speak with new tongues and cast out devils that makes thee to vent forth thy blasphemy against them that doth and here thou shewest thy self to be an unbeliever let the Scriptures judg thee Object And thou sayest The Apostle requires a waiting upon an outward teaching and exhorting Reply Here thou wouldest judg the Apostles teaching which is immediate to be like thy self which are carnal and without who denies ●here is any such Officers Pastors and Teachers now as was then Here thou prov'st thy self to be a Witch who draws people into another thing as thou decla●●st in the 47. page of thy book in thy answer to the eighteenth Query Obj. And thou talk'st of waiting upon the office and living upon the Gospel a temporary and transitory Gospel and yet thou d●niest the same Officers and Teachers as was then Reply There thou art without in another temporary and transitory Gospel as thou call'st it Obj. And whereas thou sayest In these daies th●y shall heap up to themselves Teachers Rep. This is thy self O your selves who saith Teachers are not the same now as was then and here thou com'st under the Prophecy that Paul speaks to Timothy 1 Tim. 2.4 for thou confess●s they are not such as was then Object Whereas thou sayest Can any rational person conceive how preaching is like to be kept up Rep. The preaching of Christ is kept up without thy conceiving for it is not any rational person that keeps up preaching who lives in the conceivings And again thou clearest thy self from the Ministers of Christ who were made Ministers by the will of God and thou who deniest the same teachings to be now as was then art one amongst those Teachers that follows their own lusts phancies and fables and cannot indure sound Doctrine having itching ears turning to fables from the truth thou hast confessed there is no such Teachers now as was then therefore thou and thy company art another in your own w●lls out of the will of God distant from truth and to be them that Peter and the Apostle prophecied of which should come in the last time following your phancies senses and consequences which the eternal Spirit that gave forth the Scriptures ever judged and condemned such Object And whereas thou sayest Thou would'st have them first proved before approved and thou alledgest 1 Tim. 3.10 Rep. And thou deny'st that Office that was then that there is none such now and here thou art disapproved with the Scriptures for it disapproves thee 1 Tim. 3.10 and in the 47. page of thy book Object And in the third particular thou art justi●ying standing praying in the Sinagogues and thou bring'st Solomons examples who pray●● in the behalf of Israel Reply Here thou shewest thy self plainly to be a false Prophet indeed who puts no difference between Solomons praying and the Pharisees who stood praying in the Synagogues Object And whereas thou accusest us that we are against praying Reply Here thou dost lye thy praying we deny who puts no difference between the Heathen and the Saints but the Saints pravers we own and Solomons praying we own Object And thou sayest Your places cannot hardly be called as the Jews Sinagogues was for it was not erected for any spiritual use Rep. No more is yours for thou deniest immediate inspiration and they that did witness imm●diate inspiration was persecuted in the Jews Sinagogues the Saints which meet together in the eternal word denied all the Jews practises which met together in such a mans ●ouse Object Fourth particular and thou dost lye in saying we would have no meetings Rep. Because we do deny such Teachers as thou art and such practises as thou practiseth and such meetings who confesses that you are not the same Pastors and Teachers now as then so then your meetings are not the same but the Teachers as was then we own and the meetings as was then we own for truth changes not But here thou shewest that thou art changed from it who hath confessed that your Teachers is not the same Object F●fth particular thou sayest we are cavelling at places and strikes at persons Reply Thou may'st as well say Christ cavelled at persons do not speak Christs words who art thou

your lyes is the lake and it s well they have set their names to these lyes John Pomroy Paul Glissen Joseph Kellet that they may be known For with the chi●dren of light they are and their Spirit tried had they not uttered forth their names and their voice discerned and the Eternal Light of God sees them which shall be their eternal condemnation and the Judgement of God will fall upon hem for th ir lyes and slanders for them that they call Quakers ●usking we own else we should lay waste the Scriptures as you do For David quaked Moses quaked and Paul trembled and Habbakuk quivered and Jeremy shaked and these were in the faith and hope and these had the life of the Scriptures a●co●di●g to their measure Now let all people see if John Pomroy Paul Glissen and Joseph Kellet wh ch have digg●d a p●t for others see if they be not fallen into it themselves who are laying waste the Scriptures for the Gospel of Christ we own and the Scriptures are ours and the Doctrine of Christ we live in and Faith and Hope and not laying waste the Scripture but all such as make trades on the Scripture such we would have laid waste And thou Eaton and the rest who saith there are no such Officers now no such Teachers now no such Pastors now as was then Dost not thou here lay waste the Scripture and hast shewed thy self to be one of them and can imposture that what thou knows thou knows naturally which were ordained of old for condemnation as Jude speaks of for thou denies immediate inspiration and thou denies hearing the voice of God when Christ is the same to day yesterday and for ever and they that are of God hear his word and they that hear his word he●r his voice and here thou hast shewed thy self that thou art not of God and the Gospel is the same which is the pillar and ground of truth And another thing thou Eaton sets as a witness against them whom thou calls Quakers which word thou spake in thy letter to Richard Walter and thou said'st Satan had filled his heart with such fogs and mists and darkness and this is in thy page 56. and this is in thy own letter which thou would●st slander us with thy own words which came out of thy own bottle But O thou Enemy of good thy door is set open and what is in thy house is seen and wh●● is in thy bottle pours out and so for the truths sake because an evil report and slander should not rest upon ●t and for the simple ones and d●luded ones that are subject to catch at his histories and reports So for the trut●s sake have I given forth this not to be justified of man nor to b● known outward●y but to be known to the Lord God and of him to be justified and not to stir up strife or war but that truth might be set up and all d●ceit confounded and the simple ones directed and their minds guided to God to hear his voice and to wait upon him that they might come into the life of the Scriptures that they were in that gave them forth which thou hast declared that thou hast not neither dost thou wait for it so shews thy self to be an imposture and keeps all in the pit and from hearing the voice of the living God And as for railing such we deny and all such as lay waste Scripture and live not the life of it and Christ and saith and hope but in their places we own all as it was given forth and here be thou Samuel Eaton and John Pomroy and Paul Glissen and Joseph Kellet to that in your consciences I speak that it may witness against you that you are witnesses against the truth of God and ●hem that live in it who hath published forth your lyes and slanders who are for the Lake And thou Samuel Eaton who makes a colour of answering the Queries thou hast made many Queries and hath answered thy own let the Reader of thy Book but take notice and see thy deceit and imposture which thou so often accuses them that thou calls Quakers with which therein thou art comprehended thy self with the children of light and I leave thee to be judged with them all because thou hast published thy Book openly let all the children of the light judge thee what spirit thou art guided by who denyes immediate inspiration And in thy Answer to the seventeenth Query thou slanders the Apostle and saith it was a hyperb●lycal Speech when the Apostle said they knew all things and needed no man to teach them but as the ano●n●ing and this thou sayest was an hyperbolycal expression O vain man where did the Apostle give ●orth any such expressions thou would'st make him a lyar like ●hy self who cannot own his words therefore do we own the Apostle who spoke plainly and deny thee with thy hyperbolycal expressions who art in the wisdom of words and slanders the Power of God which makes the earth to tremble in wh●ch power stood the Saints faith and wisdom as the Apostle spoke to the Corinthians in which Spirit and Power of the living God stands our saith and wisdom and not in the wisdom of the world which wisdom we see all comes to nothing which wisdom thou lives in and so with the world thou mayest be justified for it loves its own and in it thou mayest have many witnesses but thou dost not know as thou hast confessed and with him no lyar nor slanderer nor with them who are Gods Thou sayest The Church of Christ is the pillar and ground of truth and doth witness the truth contained in the Scripture But this is anothers and not thine for thou canst not witness it to be the pillar and ground of truth but art an enemy to it and denyes the immediate inspiration and hearing the voyce of the living God And thou asserts that the Mystery of Godliness is great Thou mayest assert it for godliness is a mystery to thee thou knowest it not but he that spoke these words God manifested in the flesh justified in the spirit witnessed these words as he spoke them and to such as thee it is a mystery without any consequences or ●ences thou mayest very well assert it for thou art without God i● the world And as for El ction thou knows nothing of For his secrets are with them that fear him and thou denies ever hearing his voice therefore how should th●u know his Secrets and there let thy mo●th be stept for thou knows not what is elect●d whic● art pleading for sin and for the D●v●l and denie● p●rfection and pu●i●y so thou art without among the dogs and the Whoremongers and the Adulterers and there we leave thee And thou who sayest thou never heardst Gods voyce nor dost not wait for it nor never shalt in the state thou art in though thou sayest thou hast confuted the Quakers but it is with that nature which is

An Answer to a Book WHICH SAMVEL EATON Put up to the PARLIAMENT Which he saith he is a Teacher of the Church of Christ heretofore meeting at Duckenfield now at Stockport in Cheshire And he cals the Title of his Book QUAKERS CONFUTED Moses who was a Judg quaked and trembled David a King in Israel quaked and trembled and Solomon who was a King trembled and Daniel a servant of the most high God trembled and Jer. the Lords Prophet his bones shaked and Habak a Prophet of the Lord his lips quivered and his belly shoke and Paul a Minister made by the will of God trembled and Job the servant of the most high God who saw God trembled And these saw God and many other of our Witnesses vve might bring And these heard the voice of God and thou that writest thou mayest say thou hast confuted all them for he that is against them is against us and he that is against us is against them for the same power is witnessed b●t thou Eaton who saith thou art a Teacher of the Church at Duckenfield who saith thou hast not heard the voice of the living God and that such a voice as this as comes immediately from God you have not heard and such an inspiration as this you have not received nor do you wait for it And Isaiah saith Hear the Word of the Lord all ye that tremble at his Word and this is the man that I do regard saith the Lord that is of a contrite heart and trembleth at my Word but such Eaton and his Church doth not regard but custs out friends of the Lord from them whom the world calls QUAKERS London Printed for Giles Calvert at the black Spread-Eagle at the West end of Pauls 1654. To the Reader WEe hearing of a Paper which was sent to a Member of a Church as they call it at Duckenfield or that ways of which one Eaton is the Pastor and in that Paper we find many slanderous speeches and false accusations against us whom the world scornfully calls Quakers So the Paper being sent to us we seeing many lies and false reports we wrote some things to the paper to clear our selves from lies and slanders And that generation which ever doth lye and slander and sent it back to the Church as they call it and certain Queri●s to be answered For had the Church or the Pastor of it as they call it sent the Paper to us it had been honest but writing to others not sending to us we see the deceit that would slander the innocent privily but to us it is none because it doth not touch us And the said Church and Eaton which the Queries were sent to have writ forth a Book and sent to the Parliament and so not sent it to us Let all people take notice if here be not pride and hypocrisie Had they sent it to us it had been honest and in it we find much wresting of the Scripture multitudes of conceivings and consequences and contradicting Christs words and Gods words which were spoken forth by his Prophets as hereafter shall be made appear An Answer to a BOOK Entitled The QUAKERS CONFUTED A Reply to the Answers of some Queries in a Book entitled the Quakers confuted set forth by Samuel Eaton a Teacher of the Church of Christ as he saith heretofore meeting at Duckenfield now at Stopworth in Cheshire which was directed to the Parliament of this Nation sitting at Westminster To them I find much flattering and crouching but under whose tongue there is venome under a colour as contending for the faith which he knows nothing of and them that do will trample his dirty stuff under their feet and the said Eaton under a colour would make people believe he appears for God and Christ yet his intent is to persecute and incense and provoke people to wrath against those people he calls Quakers but the Lord is their defence and heard such in all Ages as in the dayes of Isaiah David and the rest who were of a contrite and humble spirit and t●embled at his word which the Lord would not despise but regard but the world would not but despise as Eaton and the world doth now Object O Eaton thou lyar Doth Paul and Christ compare them that trembled at the Word of the Lord as wolves and Satan transforming himself into an Angel of light and so into Ministers of Righteousness Reply O thou lyar Doth Satan transform himself into Ministers of Righteousness Here I charge thee in the Presence of the Lord to be a lyar and perverts the Apostles words they may transform them as the Ministers of Righteousness but not into Ministers of Righteousness and this is thy Quakers confuted Object And thou sayest that John makes them all Antichrists Reyly This shall stand for thy own condition who doth oppose Christ as thou declares in this Book and as touching Satans transforming himself into an Angel of light this is thy own condition and into the Ministers of righteousness as thou sayest here thou hast uttered forth thy lyes And on touching Christs call ng them wolves that is thy own condition who art making war against the Lambs of Christ and be silent and slander thou not the Church of Christ he need not have an outward power to maintain it that is dispersed abroad in this Land which doth torment thee for its the pillar and ground of truth Object Which sows much corrupt seed Reply This is thy own condition as thou hast shewed in this Book but that which thou calls corrupt is the Seed of God and God will judge thee for thy blasphemy who art in errour In this Book thou hast sown thy corrupt seed Object Doctrine of Seducers Reply This is thy own condition for such practises we do abhor and how fain wouldest thou raise a persecution and shew your selves zealous of his glory in these things and saith the Lord will bless you hence-forward And the Magistrate is for praise to good works and a terrou● to evil works then will it take hold upon thee thou envious man who art seeking after blood as all thy generation did Object Whereof thou art accusing Apostacy from the true God from the true faith and from the true word Reply This is thy own condition Object And thou sayest If there be sorcery and familiarity with the Devil to be found among a people who challenge propriety in God Reply This is thy own condition for them whom thou calls Quakers doth own the true faith and true Christ and true God and denys all such filthy things Object First thou accusest them and saith That it is held forth much of their doctrine and practises concerning revelations and immediate voyces and against the holy Scriptures Christs Ministers Church and Ordinances Reply And these are all lies for Revelations we own according to the Scriptures and immediate voyces Christs Ministers Church and Ordinances we own according to the Scriptures And O man lay thy hand upon

Object And whereas thou sayest we are against that which the Saints used Rep. Here I charge thee to be a lyar for the Saints practises we own but thy performances we deny Object And thou sayest we might be convinced that you are not in the condition of the Jews hours and prayers Rep. We find you in the same nature though under another colour and enemies to Christ Object And thou brings Acts 3. Rep. That will fit and maintain thee in the Jews estate all people take notice the Apostles did not go up to uphold the Jews hours and prayers but to bring them off those things and here thou hast uttered forth thy folly Object And thou sayest They strike at godliness Rep. Here I charge thee in the presence of God to be a lyar Object And whereas thou sayest If they can but destroy all forms the power will fall with it Rep. And here thou hast uttered forth thy folly indeed and blasphemy as though the form was before the power and here thou hast shewed thou hast no power but the form as the Apostles speaks of so thou plead'st for daies and hours and moneths which the Apostles speaks against And here thou hast cleared thy self from the Doctrine of the Apostles and the Lords day we own f●r all is the Lords and the Saints meeting we own but thine we do deny who denies immediate inspiration And what hast thou to do to talk of the Apostles meeting the first day of the week and worship of God who denies immediate inspiration and hearing Gods voice and denies immediate teaching for God is a Spirit and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and truth and that thou canst not who denies immediate teaching thou hast got a likeness of a Church and so imitates the Apostles meetings the first day of the week and so hast got the form and not the power and because the Saints meet on the first day from their words thou gathers likeness which is forbidden and what Scriptures hast thou that it is named the Lords day when the Supper is nominated the Supper of the Lord we own and the day of the Lord but thou knowest nothing of the Supper of the Lord nor the day Obj. And in thy answer thou would'st make people believe we deny prayer Rep. And in that thou art a lyar and what hast thou to do to talk of Abraham and holy men of God who denies hearing the Voice of God and denies immediate Inspiration which the holy men of God witnessed Object And thou talk'st of Jacob purging away the Idols and reforming his family Rep. O man look at home and pu●ge away the Idols from thy self for David and Jacob we own and do witness and the Saints will not deny prayers but such as thine who prayest and never heard the Voice of God nor immediate inspiration as thou hast confest it and dost not look for it and what good will all thy prayers do thee evening and morning we witness the Apostles words pray alwayes and praise with the spirit and understanding Here thou hast shewed thy self as the Priests of Baal who cut themselves who fasts and yet thou sayest let us seek Gods face in prayer and denies hearing Gods Voice Query 17. Whether do you not seduce the people to draw them from the anoynting within them when John saith They need no man to teach them but as the anoynting and the promise was eternal life to him that did abide in the anoynting Ans In thy answer to this Query thou sayest the word that Christ preached was outward Rep. And here I charge thee in the presence of the Lord to be a lyar for he said the word which he spoke was spirit and life and here thou draws people from the anointing to the Satanical delusion as thou calls it and publishes lies Obj. And thou sayest John's Ministry was outward and yet he came in the spirit and power Reply What confused stuff is this Here I charge thee again to be a lyar John's teaching we witness and Christs teaching we witness and deny thine which is outward and thou must needs be there for thou denyes immediate inspiration who draws people from the inward to the outward Here thou shews what thou art if there had been no reply and who puts no difference betwixt ears for there are ears and hears not and there are ears which hear and here thou shews thy self to be a false prophet who saith they are seduced which are drawn from the external means which is earthly let all people see if you be not that wi●ch that the Scripture speaks of that bewithed the Galatians in drawing them from the spirit within to observe circumcision without them who draws to the external who saith to wait for the receiving of the Spirit without any word is delusion Here thou goes about to make the Word and the Spirit two Obj. And thou sayest One was newly redeemed out of the hellish captivity Reply He is fit to be Ambassador of thy Church a drunkard one of thy redeemed ones There was a Warrant granted out against him for drunkenness fence he was redeemed as thou calls it Obj. And thou pleads much for mans teaching Reply Here thou shews plainly that thou art a Minister made by the will of man when Paul declares that he was not made a Minister by the will of man but by the will of God and here thou hast cleared thy self plainly from being a Minister made by the Will of God or taught of him Obj. And thirdly thou sayest The words You need not any man teach you but as the anointing teacheth you is an byperbolycal expression Reply Here I charge thee again to pervert the Apostles words Obj. And thou sayest the Apostle tells them they knew all things and thou sayest is is an excessive speech Reply And so thou goes about to make the Apostle a lyar and are giving a meaning to his words and wouldest give a comparative senc● as thou callest it to it and here thou shewest openly that thou dost both add wrest and pervert the Apostles words who shews thy self openly to be deceived who art giving private interpretations to the Scripture when the Scripture saith there is none and thou art perverting the Lords words who saith they shall all know him from the greatest to the least they shall not need to teach every man his neighbour and every man his brother for they shall all know me from the greatest to the least of them saith the Lord. Obj. And thou sayest there is no such measure of the spirit that can thrust out outward teaching while we are here Reply Here thou high blasphemer hast denyed the everlasting Covenant of God and while thou art there thou shalt never know it Obj. And thou sayest there is no such Scripture as to abide in the anointing that the Promise was Eternal life to him that did Reply And here thou dost neither understand the anointing nor the