presumption thou hast cut off thy self from the body of Christ which is his Church In those days he had no such power How he since came by it is laid open to your and every bodies eyes by Archbishop Lawd § 25. n. 12. 27. But why for the last 1100 years Is it because ye dare not trust to the former ages Wherein we finde (n) Lira in S. Mat. 16. Zepherinus to be a Montanist Marcellinus an Idolater Liberius an Arian and Vigilius an Eutychian All Bishops of Rome but no Catholicks Needs therefore in their times must the Catholick Church be distinct from the Church of Rome Or is it because for tryall of the truth of Religion I appealed to the 500. years next after our Saviour I professe I did and doe so because it is common in these dayes even with those that conscientiously pretend to truth (o) Tanta est quorundam errandi libido ut contenti non sint traditâ semel acceptâ antiquitus credendi regulâ sâ—d nova ac nova in diem quaerant semperque aliquid gestiant religioni addere mutare detrahere Vinc. Lirin c. 26. not to be content with the rule of faith which was once delivered to the Saints and received from them by the Primitive Church and so transmitted to posterity But we have an itching after new inventions and our glory it is either to adde or alter or pare off something from Religion These courses I abhorre with a perfect hatred and am taught to doe so by Tertullian and Vincent Lirinensis Yea some of your owne Bishops have resolved that (p) Ib. c. 9. Religion admits of no other course but this ut omnia qua fide a Patribus suscepta forent eadem fide filiis consignarentur that all things be preserved for the children with the same faith wherewith they were received from the primitive Fathers And (q) Nosque Religionem non quâ vellemus ducere sed potius quâ illa duceret sequi oportere Ib. we must not lead Religion whither we please but rather we must follow whither that leads This was the resolution of Stephen Bishop of Rome an holy and prudent man as Vincentius termes him (r) Ib. c. 43. Xistus likewise and Celestinus are of the same minde they will endure no innovations no additions to Antiquity Oh that Rome had always kept close to this rule then should we have had no such ruptures in the Church as we now complain of and bewaile 28. And reason good we have to appeal to Antiquity which is not partiall towards you or us but indifferent to both (s) Ib. c. 8. She never held it meet to maintain the faction or conspiracy of any one Province but (t) Apud ipsam Ecclesiae vetustatem non partis alicujus sed universitatis ab iis suscepta est defensio Ib. she stood up in defence of the whole Church and not for any part thereof And he can be no good Christian that does otherwise St. Cyprian is altogether for this course (u) Cypr. Pomp. if any thing be amisse he sends us to the spring head to finde out the fault The like counsell is given by Ireneus (x) Iren. l. 5. c. 4. If difference arise about any small question nonne oporteret in antiquissimus recurrere Ecclesias in quibus Apostoli conversati sunt ab iis de praesenti quaestione sumere quod certum quod liquidum est ought we not to have recourse to the most ancient Churches not to that in being wherein the Apostles themselves conversed and from those to take that which is certain and clear about the present question Observe from thence we shall have that which is certain Why then shall we content our selves with uncertainties That therefore the third Generall Councell might deal clearly and upon sure grounds with Nestorius (y) Vincent Ligrin c. 42. it took this very course holding it to be Catholicissimum foelicissimum atque optimum factu most Catholick most happy and meetest to be done to take into consideration the sentences of those holy Fathers that were before them Those they took to be their Masters their Counsellors Witnesses and Judges Their doctrine they held close to their counsel they followed to their testimony they gave credit to their judgment they submitted and answerably thereto passed sentence upon the difference then in agitation Blame not us then if we appeal to the Fathers and (z) Vt rite atque solenniter ex eorum consensu atque docreto antiqui dogmatis Religio confirmaretur prophanae novitatis blasphemia condemnaretur Ib. by their unanimous writings judge of Religion that so we may keep to the old Rules and avoyd the blasphemies of profane novelty This was the proper the onely way then known and is now readily to discern without prejudice presumption or partiality whether ye or we be in the right what is Orthodox and what not At this tribunall let us stand or fall 29. All this will hardly prevail with you For say you if this cannot be shewn it will necessarily follow those were the Catholick Church or else the Catholick Church was not alway visible Sir if you can distinguish between man in specie and Socrâ—â—â—s you may quickly distinguish between the Catholick Church and Church of Rome For as man is substantially predicated of many differing in number so is the Church Though St. Peter be a man yet is he not the onely man Judas is a man as much as he they both communicate in the same essence in the same definition the one is as much a reasonable creature as the other And it will not excuse the Church of Rome from being erronious because it is called a Church and hath the same definition with other Churches Good and bad Orthodox and Erronious come not into the definition The onely definition or description of the Catholick Church that I find in Scripture is this (a) 1 Tim. 3.15 The Church is the pillar and ground of truth From whence I argue thus That Church which hath erred is not the pillar and ground of truth But the Church of Rome hath erred Ergo The Church of Rome is not the pillar and ground of truth The Major is undenyable the Minor I prove thus That Church which hath professed Montanisme Arianisme Eutychianisme hath erred But the Church of Rome hath professed all these Ergo The Church of Rome hath erred The Major is clear and the Minor is sufficiently proved § 18.27 It follows therefore necessarily that the Church of Rome neither was nor is the Catholick Church And yet the Catholick Church was then visible when the Church of Rome fell from the Catholick faith and ceased to be a Church (b) Euseb hist l. 5. c. 15. Montanus and his Enthusiasmes were censured and condemned by the Bishops of Asia in divers Synods In those dayes when Arianisme prevailed at Rome the Catholick Church was visible (c) Theodoret
sought the foot or hand are not blamed but the man because in time they were not looked to The reason is because not the hand or foot but the man hath both discretion and power to provide a remedy for every member that is amisse Thus is it with the Church This is enough to give any rationall Christian satisfaction that Rome is not the Catholick Church More I should not have written but that you charge me with certain Propositions which you presume may stand you in much stead to prove the contrary I shall shall therefore descend to the Propositions and your Inferences drawn from thence The first whereof is this as you are pleased to pen them You grant the Catholick Church to be always viz. from the Apostles time to this time The first Proposition visible 5. I doe so both in and from the Apostles time to this present day But I doe not say that it was always visible in one and the same place no not at Rome it selfe you think so well of It hath been more then once even in that very City under a bushel The Sun it self is so often under a cloud that it is not seen in these parts and yet visible it is in other places (n) Quomodo solis multi radii sedlumen unum Cypr. de Unit. Eccles The Church is likened to the Sun which hath many rayes and yet but one light That light is not always in the same place it removes with the Sun the beams may decay but the Sun it selfe and the light thereof cannot perish The Church hath fruitfully encreased far and wide into a multitude but how many of these have crumbled into nothing It is much like the Sea which loseth in one place and gains in another and yet continues the same Sea (o) Iâ— Adulterari non potest Sponsa Christi incorrupta est pudica the Spouse of Christ cannot be corrupted Corrupt our selves we may and depart from her integrity but we cannot rob her of her essence or integrity 6. The Church of God I say is always visible and yet not to every eye sometimes it is invisible not onely to ordinary eyes but even to the best of men (p) 3. Reg. 19.10 14. Elijah himself complained to the Lord that he even he onely was left alone to serve the Lord whereas all other in his esteem were become Idolaters no face of a Church left in all Israel But the Prophet was mistaken the Lord assures him that (q) Ib. v. 18. there were 7000 in Israel whose knees had never bowed to Baal And yet God tells him not where nor what their names A visible Church there was at that time though not visible to Elijah (r) 3. Reg. 18.13 Visible it was to Obadiah and to them that met in private Congregations as in times of persecution and with us at this day these knew one another And if that great Prophet could not discern the Church in his own days and countrey would you have me who am no such Prophet to point out where the Church was when the Western parts were over-run with Popish errors Though I be not able to shew where yet it is more then probable that there were in this very Island 7000 souls that were not tainted with those errors It is enough for us to prove them to be errors to be against Scripture and the received sense of the Ancient Church and to cleanse our selves from them 7. Certainly under the Law God was not without a Church in Judah Yet shew me he that can where the visible Church was when (s) 2 Chron. 12.1 Rehoboam forsook the Law of the Lord and all Israel with him When the Prophet complained that (t) 2 Chr. 15 3. for a long season Israel had been without the true God without a teaching Priest and without the Law When (u) Ib. c. 28.23 c. 29.6 7. Ahaz shut up the dores of the Temple and made Altars for false Gods in every corner of Jerusalem and in the Cities of Judah When (x) 4. Reg. 21.4 5. in the Courts of the Lords house Manasseh built Altars for all the host of heaven Had God at that time no visible Church think you or were those ignorant faithlesse idolatrous wretches the visible Church Neither of these can be needs therefore must God in those days have a visible Church though the Scripture expresseth not where nor who they were And can we expect that mans writings should be more exact then Gods records 8. But God made a promise to the Apostles that (y) S. Mat. 28.20 he would be with them alwayes and with their successors to the end of the world He did so and without question he made good this promise although he were neither with Liberius Honorius nor John 22. I have learned of Gregory Naz. to (z) Qui candem fidei doctrinam profitentur ejusdem quoque throni socius est Qui autem contrariam sententiam tuetur adversarius quoque in throno censeri debet Greg. Naz. Orat. 21. n. 7. distinguish between successors in place and successors in faith He will be with those that succeed in faith and function not with those that succeed in function onely and not in faith Let him sit in what throne he will he is an adversary to Christ if he be not a successor in the Orthodox faith He that succeeds St. Peter or any good Bishop and is of a contrary Religion (a) Ibid. he succeeds them just as a disease follows health as darknesse follows light and frenzie steps into the chair of wisdome 9. Boast not too much of this promise the like was made to the former Priesthood (b) Num. 25.13 To Phineas the Lord bequeathed the Covenant of an everlasting Priesthood that is to him and his seed as long as that law was to endure And yet we see that (c) 2 Chr. 15.3 for a long season Israel was without the true God without a teaching Priest and without the Law Where then was the Church where the Promise (d) 4. Reg. 16.10 c. Vrijah the High-Priest built that Altare Damascenum that abominable Altar according to the pattern of that at Damascus On that he offered and did many other things contrary to Gods law (e) 3. Reg. 1.7.25 Abiathar was a Traitour (f) 2 Mac. 4.8 Jason a Simoniack and a prophane wretch and (g) Ib. v. 25. c. Menelaus one of the veryest beasts that ever lived Where was then the Priesthood where the true Religion And yet we dare not say that God failed of his promise or wanted a visible true Church in those dayes But if it be inquired in whom and where it will be an hard matter for either or both of us to manifest Truth it is God will continue a Church though bad people and Priests abuse it He and onely he can discern and distinguish the wheat from the chaffe and (h) Apoc.
4.3 those few in Sardis that had not defiled their garments from the multitude that had (i) Ingemuit totus orbis se Arianum esse miratus est Hieron cont Lucifer c. Vincent Lirin c. 6. The world groaned and wondred to see it self all Arian But God sees not as man sees at that time he had a Church and his eyes beheld it though it were very difficult for man to point it out Visible it was to some and those not over many Thus much for the Visibility of the Church 10. It is time now to look toward the second proposition wherewith you charge me which is this You say the Church of Rome The second Proposition and those in communion with her are not the Catholick Church because they have grievously erred and in one fundamentall at least What ever I said I am sure I have manifested that the Church of Rome and those particular Churches in her communion are not cannot be the Catholick Church no more then some parts of man may be said to be the whole man or (k) The Church is called the House of God 1. Tim. 3.15 some parts of an house to be the whole house But as for the reason which you impose upon me I am certain I never gave it I never said these were not the Catholick Church because they have grievously erred and in one fundamentall at least This reason was not could not be given for that purpose neither was it needfull or usefull For had it never erred the Catholick it could not be a Catholick it might be a part but not the whole If these you speak of be the whole all other are excluded and that your party most uncharitably aimes at Take Rome at the best at the highest (l) Concil Nic. can 6. she hath her priviledges among many not over all other Provinces must enjoy theirs And divers Bishops have as large territories as ever justly had your Pope of Rome He that hath a desire to know the truth of this let him consult the 6 Canon of Nice the 2 3 of Constantinople the 28 of Chalcedon with the 28 125 Canons of the African Code and he shall quickly discern that Rome in those days was no such wondrous Church She no lesse then others had her bounds which she might not passe 11. But I remember well I said that if there were no other cause then the maiming of the Lords Supper I could not communicate with the Church of Rome The reason is because our Saviour ordained it to be given in both kinds and ye have most sacrilegiously robbed the Laity of his blood By this means yee make the people unfit for martyrdome if St. Cyprian mistake not (m) Cyp. l. 1. ep 2 Quomodo saith that Father ad martyrii poculum idoneos facimus si non eos ad BIBENDUM prius in Ecclesia POCULUM DOMINI jure communicationis admittimus How can we make them fit for the cup of Martyrdome if first in the Church we doe not by right of communion admit them to DRINK THE CUP OF THE LORD And againe (n) How can we shed our blood for Christ who are ashamed to drink the blood of Christ Cypr. l. 2. ep 3. Quomodo possumus propter Christum sanguinem fundere qui sanguinem Christi erubescimus bibere No may the people say we are not ashamed to drink it but yee are ashamed to give it us to drink at least to acknowledge the wrong that yee have done us We have a right to drink it but yee have barred us from our right Thus yee have gone against the sense and practise of the Primitive Church Yee have also departed from the Institution of Christ (o) Ex Christi institutione Sacramenta virtutem obtinent Tho 3 q 64.3 c from which the Sacraments receive their force and virtue What efficacy then can your half Sacrament be of 12. But for your further satisfaction I adde First The Church of Rome and those in communion with her are not the Catholick Church exclusivè solely excluding others however divers of that faction appropriate that title to them And yet (p) Art 19. we grant Rome herself to be a Church that is a member of the one Catholick though an erronious member as a vicious man is a man or as an ulcerous member is a part of the body Though we see her errors we deny not her essence but wish she were cleansed from her corruptions Secondly a particular Church cannot be styled the Vniversall and Catholick signifies nothing else * Si hominem dicas jam quemvis hominem dixisti Athan. de Definit tom 2. p. 45. no more then Socrates can be said to be Home in specie all or the onely man Neither can we affirm that man is the onely animal the onely sensitive creature though the most excellent Yet in the third place though we deny you to be the Catholick we acknowledge you to be a Church (q) Archbishop Lawd §. 20. n. 3. For that Church which receives the Scripture as a Rule of faith though but as a partiall and imperfect Rule and both the Sacraments as instrumentall causes and seals of grace though they adde more and misuse these yet cannot but be a true Church in essence 13. It is not then every abuse of Scripture and Sacraments but (r) Haeretici de Deo falsa sentiendo ipsam fidem violan Quapropter non pertinent ad Ecclesiam Catholicā Aug. de Deut. locut l. 6. c. 10. the razing of the foundation that ruines a Church and makes that to be none which heretofore was one Of the essence of the Church I take to be these two (s) Omnes haereses ad utramque formam à nostris Ecclesiis provocatae probent se quaquâ putant Apostolicas Tertul. de Praescrip c. 32. the Catholick faith and the Apostolick government The former is the soul of the Church and gives it life the other is as the sinews thereof which knit the members together firmly into one body Without the former it is built upon sand and without the other it cannot last (t) Heb. 11.6 Without the Catholick faith we cannot please God and without a Bishop the Sacraments will quickly cease Yea the very communion of the Church must fail since according to St. Austin's rule (u) Non possunt communicare nisi iis quos sedere in sedebus Episcopalibus audiebant Aug. ep 163. we may not so much as hold communion with any that have not Episcopall Sees Since then yee professe the Catholick faith and continue the Apostolick government though mixt with corruptions and encroachments (x) Archbishop Lawd § 2◠n. 2. we grant you to be a true but not Orthodox Church For (y) Integritatis custodes recta sectantes Aug. de verâ Rel. c. 5. Orthodox Christians are keepers of integrity and followers of right things Of which the Church of Rome is neither 14. If then
according to your charge I did say that the Romane Church had grievously erred and in one fundamentall at least yet as then so now I am have been and ever shall be loath to deny her to be a true Church since without the Church no salvation If you will make her no Church or a false Church and put your selves out of all hope I can pity you but not help it Indeed the pride of that See is such she will be all or nothing either the Catholick or no Church It is not therefore to her content to yeild her to be a Church since that implyes no more then that she is a member of the whole Alas the Universall she cannot be (z) Sicut universa terra ex multis terris unviversa Ecclesia ex multis constat Ecclesiis Aug. de Civ Dei l. 13. c. 13. that consists of many Churches as the whole earth consists of many lands and countreys and yet but one Earth and one Church Neither of them is couped up or confined within the largest Continent For my part I professe with St. Austin that (a) Aug. contr Crescon Gram. l 3. c. 35. I am in that Church cujus membra sunt omnes illae Ecclesiae quas ex laboribus Apostolorum natas atque firmatas simul in literis canonicis novimus the members whereof are all those Churches which in Scripture we know to have been planted and confirmed by the Apostles industry And (b) Earum communionem quantum me adjuvat Dominus sive in Aphricâ sive ubicunque non deseram Ib. their communion with Gods assistance I shall never forsake whether in England or elsewhere unlesse these forsake the truth I shall never leave the Vniversall to side with any particular Church And I would advise your Masters to take heed lest while with the Dogge in the Fable they catch at too much they lose all 15. (c) Cyprian de unit Eccles The Church according to St. Cyprian is like a Tree whose boughs are many but the body one firmly rooted Ab arbore frange ramum fructus germinare non poterit break the best arme from this body it will bear no fruit for heaven the branch it self will wither and rot and come to nothing Hath that Church you speak of been heretofore a glorious and happy Church Glory not too much in that (d) Ro. 11.18 boast not over the rest of the branches that have been lesse successefull thou bearest not the root but the root thee thou art but graffed in as the rest were and (e) Ib. v. 17. with them thou partakest of the root and fatnesse of the olive tree Remember also though there be many branches yet there is but one originall one root that yeelds sap and life and fruit to every bough great or small Suppose thou be the top-bough yet rend not suffer not thy selfe to be rent from this body Take heed of this lest thou become fewell for that dreadfull fire 16. That the Church of Rome hath grievously and dangerously erred I need no witnesses but your own family Stapleton justifies that (f) Stapleton Relect. cont 1. q. 5. A. 3. there is scarce any sin that can be thought by man Heresie onely excepted with which that See hath not been foully stained especially from the 800 years after Christ. But (g) Stella in luc 22.31 Stella and (h) Almain l. 3. D. 24. q. 1. Almain grant freely that some of the Bishops of Rome did fall into heresie and so ceased to be heads of the Church And though some of that Churches errors at this day be dangerous to salvation yet (i) Archbishop Lawd §. 20. n. 23. that judicious Bishop I then spake of would not venture to set down what errors in doctrine may give just cause of separation in this body or the parts of it one from another Neither shall I by Gods grace be over-bold in this point 17. The points fundamentall are contained in the Creed which is as the Councell of Trent speaks (k) Concil Trid. Sess 3. Et fundamentum firmum unicum not the firm alone but the onely foundation And Bellarmine resolves that (l) Bellar. de Verb. Dei non Scrip. l. 4. c. 11. All things simply necessary for all mens salvation are expressed in the Creed and Deealogue If yee have erred in any of these and grown obstinate in this error yee are become an Hereticall Church in battering the foundation And yet we must take notice that (m) Archbish Lawd § 11. n 1. every thing fundamentall is not of a like neernesse to the foundation nor of equall primenesse in the faith For there are (n) The. 2 a. 2 ◠q. 1. Art 7. c. quaedam prima credibilia certain prime principles of faith in the bosome whereof all other Articles lie wrapped and folded up What ever Church denies or disbeleives any of these ceaseth to be not onely Orthodox but Catholick and so no member of the true Church since (o) 1. S. Jo. 4.3 every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God but is that spirit of Antichrist Now if yee have at any time denied (p) Ib. c. 5.20 this Jesus Christ to be the true God and eternall life ye were at that time no Church but an Antichristian Synagogue But this did Marcellinus and Liberius and John 22. all Bishops of Rome In those times therefore yee were no Church but an Antichristian Synagogue (q) Cypr. Pomp. Haeresis enim Christi Sponsa non est since Heresie is not the Spouse of Christ 18. If you doubt of the Minor Stella makes that good for he testifies that (r) Stella in luc 22.31 Marcellinus sacrificed to Idols that Liberius assented to the Arians that is he denyed our Saviour to be of one and the same substance with the Father and that John 22. affirmed that God the Son is greater then the Father and the Holy Ghost These batter and undermine the foundation which what ever Congregation does it apostatizeth and is no Church While then Rome did and beleeved thus neither she nor any of those that communicated with her in these or any of these heresies (s) Nulla societas fidei perfidiae potest esse Qui cum Christo non est adversarius Christi est Cypr. l. 1. ep 3. were so much as a Church much lesse the Catholick Church Especially since all these are contrary to the Creed and Catholick faith (t) Athan. Cre. which faith except every one doe keep whole and undefiled without doubt he shall perish everlastingly This Creed our Church appeals to whether Catholick or not Catholick this is the faith she desires to be saved by He that faithfully beleives this Creed is a Catholick but he that beleives it not is no Catholick neither can he be saved I am one of Athanasius his Catholicks and with Gods blessing I shall live and
one or more branches be broken off The fountain flows comfortably though a rivulet be cut off The reason is because (m) Jer. 2.13 Christ and no particular Church is the fountain of living waters (n) 8. Jo. 4.14 that spring up into everlasting life and they that seek to him for this water as they ought shall be sure to have it Or as St. Cyprian speaks the Church is (o) Cypr. de unit Eccles luce Domini perfusa she hath her light not from Rome but from (p) S. Jo. 1.9 that true light which enlightens every man that comes into the world And we shall be no longer (q) S. Mat. 5.14 the light of the world then we are furnished with this light 23. So then since you will needs have it so the time was when there was a necessity for the Catholick Church not onely to be distinct but diverse from the Church of Rome and those in her communion otherwise there had been no Church I shall give you a satisfactory instance When Liberius Bishop of Rome turned Arian to recover liberty and an honorable Bishoprick when all Italy and Spain sided with him in that heresie then was the Catholick distinct from Rome and those in her communion For these if we may beleive (r) Haeretici non pertinent ad Ecclesiam Catholicam Aug. Locut de Deut. l. 5. c. 10. St. Austin and (s) Si Haeretici sunt Christiani esse non possunt Tertul. de Praescript c. 37. Tertullian had no share in the Church they were not so much as Christians because Hereticks St. Hilary of Poictieurs lamented the infamous lapse of this Bishop professing publickly thus (t) Hilar. Pict de Synodis p. 287. Ex eo intra nos tantum communio Dominica continetur from that time forward the Lords communion is continued AMONG US ONELY Onely us And who are these that he clears suddenly after in these words (u) Ib. p. 288. Quidam ex vobis firmissima fidei constantia INTRA COMMUNIONEM SE MEAM CONTINENTES SEACAETERIS EXTRA GALLIAS ABSTINUERUNT Some of you with a most firm constancy of faith containing themselves within my communion abstained from others without France Here then was no communion with Rome unlesse you can prove Rome to be in France and yet I hope a Catholick communion Boast not then too much of the Romane Church Wee see in what state it hath been and into the same state without Gods great mercy it may fall again And when such cause is given it shall be lawfull for us in like manner to hold communion within our selves in the three Britains even in England onely And now I think I have shewed you the Catholick Church distinct from the Church of Rome and those in her communion such a one as would have nothing to doe with Rome while Hereticall 24. I have done with the Propositions your desire remaines which requires a large library and a younger man for your words are these Wherefore I desire to be shewn the Catholick Church distinct from the Church of Rome and those in her communion for the last 1100 years What will no lesse serve the turn then 1100 years and those together what 's the meaning of this I never undertook any such thing neither as I know hath this Church or any of the Fathers thereof said any such thing (x) Art 19. Our Articles acknowledge the Church of Rome to be a Church and call her so But withall we say that (y) Ib. those of her communion have erred not onely in their living and manner of ceremonies but also in matters of faith And this hath been prettily well proved out of your own men So a Church it is though erronious We have never declared her to be no Church neither have our Articles hitherto charged her with Heresie but (z) Art 22. with fond doctrines vainly invented and founded upon no warranty of Scripture Yea something we blame you with (a) Art 29. that is repugnant to the plain words of Scripture Foure opinions of this kind my Lord of Canterbury taxeth you with viz. (b) Archbishop Lawd §. 33. n. 13 1. Transubstantiation 2. The administration of the blessed Sacrament to the Laity in one kind 3. Invocation of Saints and 4. Adoration of Images Ye have not hitherto quitted your selves of this Inditement and while his book stands unconfuted I shall beleeve that ye are justly charged with these unsound and uncatholick doctrines 25. Besides we acknowledge that (c) Art 26. in the visible Church the evill be ever mingled with the good That sometime the evill have chiefe authority in the ministration of the Word and Sacraments These we deny not to be visible members of the Church but grant that (d) Ib. the effect of Christs Ordinance is not taken away by their wickednesse Though these be bad in and to themselves oft-times their calling does good to others like (e) S. Mat. 23.2 c. the Scribes and Pharisees in Moses chaire We are not then so forward to make a separation as ye are taught to beleeve Indeed hardly any but the Church of Rome hath been so touchy as to excommunicate whole Churches upon slight occasions (f) Euseb hist l. 5. c. 24. What a stir did Bishop Victor keep about the observation of Easter He excommunicated divers Churches because they would not stoop to his lure (g) Ib. Verum ista caeteris omnibus parum placebant but this was little pleasing to the rest of the Bishops and among them to that famous Bishop of Lyons Ireneus Who with divers other (h) Victorem graviùs acerbiùs coarguebant Ib. sharply checked and reproved him for it These consider'd that no member can cut off another without mischief to the whole body even to it self And the hand ought not to doe it without a commission from the head For (i) Neque quisquam nostrum Episcopum se esse Episcoporū constituit aut tyrannico terrore ad obsequendi necessitaiem collegas suos adegit Cypr. in Conc. Cart. ag there is no Bishop of Bishops as ye conceive neither may any one Bishop excommunicate another of his own proper authority (k) Apost Can. 34. Cod. Eccles Vnivers Can. 88. This is the work of a Synod of Bishops Whoever does it of his own head offends against the practise of the Church the Canons and Scripture it self 26. Thus also (l) Euseb hist l. 7. c. 4. Bishop Steven though otherwise a good man carried himself very high about re-baptizing Hereticks Whether zeal or that vain conceit of St. Peter's Chair transported him I know not but this I am sure of he excommunicated all those that re-baptized Hereticks But what said that great Bishop of Cappadocia Firmilianus (m) Firmilian apud Cyp. ep 75. Teipsum excidisti noli te fallere mistake not thy self thou Bishop of Rome while thou goest about to cast out others by this
own men § 3. Thus that Church hath grievously erred and in more then one fundamentall And yet the Catholick hath been alwayes visible though oft-times invisible at Rome unlesse errors and heresies prove Catholick because professed at Rome 5. All this your Tutors reply not to nor hardly take notice of but have directed you to fall from your former desires upon new questions tempting me as the Pharisees did our Saviour but resolving to receive no answer Thus you put me to more trouble not with a mind to be satisfied but meerly to cavill and to slide over those arguments and testimonies which they are not able to answer or disprove Is not this to speak nothing lest you should seem to be silent Are these things which I have delivered true or false If true (k) A quâ—cunque verum dicitur illo inspirante dicitur qui ipse veritas est Aug. ep 28. let truth prevaile If false disprove them if impertinent manifest it Otherwise if you thus seek evasions you will enforce me to acquaint the world with your shifts and shufflings by publishing these papers that every eye may discern what is the weaknesse of your cause and what your obstinacy 6. Your intent being to decline what you cannot answer you divert me from the former businesse thus (l) n. 2. My originall doubt was say you that sith the Catholick Church must be alway visible and that I could not by my best inquiry finde that a succession of men professing the doctrine of the Church of England had been alway visible that that Church was not the nor any part of the Catholick Church What have I to doe with your originall doubt Your Letter and the expression of your desire I looked upon I endeavoured to satisfie your request and I presume a satisfactory answer was given to your demands that so I might win a soul not so much to our Church as to the Communion of Saints and to lead you out of error into the way of truth That the Catholick Church is hath been and must be alway visible is agreed on both hands But by your best enquiry you could not finde that a succession of men professing the doctrine of the Church of England had been alway visible No more could the Pharisees see the Prophesies that concerned our Saviour though never so visible Alas poore Gentleman little Learning are you troubled with you are not able to search the Scriptures Councels and Fathers as you ought and your enquiry hath been of such as are either ignorant or wilfully blinde and bent to misguide you 7. The doctrine of the Church of England is cleare in our Book of Common-prayer that is the rule for the Laity and such as the true Catholick Church hath alwayes imbraced and continued All therein is positive The Book of Articles is a rule for the Clergy to preserve them from error and much therein is negative He that means sincerely to instruct you so in the right way that you may be a guide to others must give you directions to avoyd the by-paths The positive doctrine of this Church was ever professed and is visible in all Catholick writers But you insist upon no particulars and guile lurks under generalls But I beseech you before you turned over to the Church of Rome why did not you make the like enquiry to finde out a succession of men professing the doctrine of the Church of Rome in those particulars wherein we dissent from them of that Communion If thus you had done you might easily have discerned that that Church is not the nor any part of the Catholick Church if wee goe by your line For the most skilfull of your party are not able to shew such a succession of men in the first 700 years of Christianity 8. But you are pleased to adde that (m) n. 2. to this doubt at our conference I endeavoured your satisfaction by attempting to prove that though the Church of England had not been alway visible at least not seen yet seeing she is but a member of the Catholick Church of which the Church of Rome is another it was sufficient that the Catholick Church had been alway visible in the Church of Rome and other particular Churches though not in the Church of England Good God what foreheads have men Is this could this possibly be my answer Who alwayes justifie that this Church hath been visible since the first or second Conversion though not alwayes under Reformation And for Rome I have demonstrated that the Catholick Church was not alway visible in that City or Diocese § 22 23 29. As also what kind of Church yee had for 450 yeers together § 33. when hardly the form either of Religion or a Church was there to be seen Yet visible it was here when invisible at Rome For you can never shew that this Church was overrun with Montanism Arianism or Eutychianism Yea this was a learned and pious Church when yours was miserably possest with ignorance and impiety Look upon your owne Mr. Pits his Catalogue of our Writers and this will manifestly appeare 9. However then (n) n. 3. that discourse which I sent unto you gave you no satisfaction yet it abundantly clears the questions proposed in your Letter Neither can I possibly expect to withdraw you from that faction who are resolved to receive no satisfaction unlesse we grant that the Church of Rome and those in communion with her are the onely Catholick Church And yet I never reade in Fathers or Councels that to communicate with Rome is either a sure or any token of a good Catholick St. Austine assures us that (o) Aug. quaest Evangel secund Mat. c. 12. they are good Catholicks qui fidem integram sequuntur bonos more 's who hold the undefiled Faith full and whole and observe good manners and those that endevour not to doe this are much to blame While then thus we doe we are good Catholicks But that Faith which we have received from the Apostles and Councels and Fathers we keep whole and undefiled without alteration addition or diminution While they are right we are so If they be out of the way we are content to erre with them Catholicks we are true right Catholicks by Lirinensis rule (p) Vincent Lirin c. 25. Gods truth the Church the body of Christ we love We prefer no mans no Churches authority no affection no wit no eloquence no philosophie nothing whatsoever before Divine Religion and the Catholick Faith These things we set light by and being fixed firme in faith we have determined by Gods grace to hold and beleeve that and that onely which we know to have been held by the Catholick Church universally of old from the beginning of Christianity And whatever new or unheard of doctrine we shall perceive to have been induced by any particular man or Church besides or against all the holy men of God this we understand to proceed from
perchance in all parts of the habitable world at the same time (n) 1. Cor. 12.12 One it is but many members As the body is one and hath many members so is Christ (o) Chrysost in loc Pro Ecclesia posuit Christum for the Church he sets down Christ since the Church is his body (p) 1. Cor. 12.13 into which we are all baptized This body hath many members these members are diffused from sea to sea over the whole earth So the Church is in Greece Italy Spain France England Polonia and * Unus spiritus inesse omnibus infusus membris una anima meritò dicitur quia una in omnibus fides unus ab omnibus colitur Deus atque ex uno ore hymnos omnes concinunt Deo Ruffin hist l. 9. c. 10. whereever the Catholick faith and Apostolicall government are continued Thus we acknowledge Rome to be a Church as St. Paul did Corinth though an erroneous and superstitious Church You see now where you may communicate with the Catholick but it is left to your discretion to choose whether you will communicate with a reformed or a superstitious Church 24. Now to the second where I say That the Church of Rome and those in her communion and the Church of England are but severall members of the one Catholick Church You reply thus (q) n. 7. That I conceive cannot be 1. For the reasons inferred from the Articles of your Church as above 2. For that the Articles of faith of both Churches are directly contradictory as appears by many your negative Articles I look not upon your conceits but upon your reasons inferred from the Articles of our Church which are already satisfied § 12 13. And whereas you adde that the Articles of faith of both Churches are directly contradictory I hope it is not so If it be I am certaine one of these is no Church For then (r) 1. Cor. 3.11 we build not both upon the same foundation (s) Colos 2.19 we hold not the head from which all the body receives nourishment and is knit compacted together by joynts and bands Quid itaque relicto capite membris adhaeres Why then do you leave the head to cleave to the members corrupt putrified members He that builds upon the rock builds upon sure grounds (t) Aug. de verb. Domini Ser. 45. c. 7. Veni ergo mecum si vis superpetram noli mihi velle esse pro petra if then you befor the rock go along with me and seek not to be the rock to me Behold we build upon the rock we beleeve in God the Father in God the Son and God the holy Ghost I hope ye doe so too We also beleeve the Unity in Trinity and Trinity in Unity And do not ye so too Hitherto we are both upon the Rock We beleeve the * We devoutly professe and in all points follow the faith which is contained in the three Creeds that is to say of the Apostles of the Councel of Nice and of Athanasius The Protest of Bishop Scory c. Book of Mart. p. 2119. three Creeds and in the same sense the Primitive Church received them which ye doe not but give some of the Articles a new another sense Here then ye are beside the Rock 25. Thus we agree and yet not agree we agree in the foundation not in the superstruction in the letter not in the exposition And we are sorry to see you forget your selves so much as to infringe so memorable so necessary a Canon as that of the Councel of Ephesus which decrees that (u) Conc. Ephes Can. 7. It is not lawfull for any one to bring to write or compose any other Creed besides that which was agreed upon by those holy Fathers assembled in the holy Ghost at Nice He that offends in this kind against this Canon is deeply censured If a Bishop he is to be deprived of his Cure if a Clergy-man of his function but if a Lay-man he is to be turned out of the Churches communion But ye have imposed a new another Creed of Pius Quartus upon the Church which whosoever will not subscribe to he is at least no good Catholick w th you 26. Say not that these are expositions they are dangerous additions and though I cannot say ye have altered the letter yet I dare be bold to say ye have strangely alter'd the sense (x) Tertul. de Praescrip c. 38. auferendo proprietates singulorum verborum adjiciendo dispositiones non comparentium rerum by taking away the proper sense of severall words and by inserting imaginations of such things as have no footing in holy Writ Whereas we as we ought take the rule of Faith in the literall sense (y) Quae nullas habet apad nos quaesliones nisi quas haereses inferunt quae Haereticos faciunt Ib. c. 14. and that raiseth no controversies with us but such as heresies bring in and such as make Hereticks Your selves your own Church ye may charge with contradictions this Church ye cannot This is the plea we stand upon (z) Ib. c. 21. Communicamus cum Ecclestis Apostolicis quod nulla vel in nullo doctrina diversa hoc est testimonium veritatis we cannot but communicate with the Primitive the Apostolick Churches whose doctrine is in nothing different from theirs This is such a testimony of the truth that it is above all exception And resolved I am with Gods blessing to be no longer of this communion then I shall be able to make this good 27. And whereas (a) n. 7. Mr. Hooker sayes That the Children of the visible Church are signed with this mark One Lord ONE FAITH one Baptisme I presume you make no doubt of this Neither can I think but that you are resolved whoever denies the Lord of life or renounceth the Catholick faith or is baptized into any other Baptism then that one which our Saviour instituted or is a second time baptized he is no childe of the visible Church since that hath taught us to beleeve one Baptism for the remission of sins He then that forsakes this faith forsakes the Church 28. Thirdly you adde that (b) Ib. I my selfe charge the Church of Rome with errors in matters of faith no lesse then in foure points viz. Transubstantiation Communion in one kinde Invocation of Saints and Adoration of images As if I were the first or the onely man that charged you with these errors whereas (c) Art 22 28 30. this is done by our whole Church and the Inditement is made good by that learned Archbishop of B. memory The Church saith that these doctrines are (d) Art 22. fond things grounded upon no warranty of Scripture but rather repugnant to the Word of God The Archbishop hath charged it home and you know not how to shift it off It would well therefore become a Christian Church to redress these and your other
errors that we and others who protest against these unwarrantable doctrines may communicate freely with you 29. (e) n. 7. You would therefore willingly hear how I distinguish between errors in matters of faith pertinaciously held and heresie What 's this to the point in hand This is but onely to tempt me into another discourse nothing to our purpose As there is great difference between error and pertinacy so is there also between errors in faith and errors in matters of faith Errors in faith are such as are against the Creed errors in matters of faith I understand to be such as concern the faith in points of lower moment that deny not the letter of the text but give and impose for by-ends some unwarrantable expositions unknown to antiquity Such is that which was (f) Cod. Eccles Vniver can 177 brought in by Charisius and such are yours which the Church of England nominates Though these with the former batter not the foundation yet they endanger the out-works and will in time make way to undermine some of the necessary forts 30. 'T is very true that an error in faith pertinaciously maintained is no lesse then heresie but we say not so of errors in matters of faith (g) Quid faciat Haereticum regulari quâdam definitione comp ehendi sicut ego existimo aut omnino non potâ—st aut difficillime potest Aug. Praefat. ad li. de Haeres St. Austin was very cautelous in defining an Heretick and I shall be wary how I determine what heresie separates from the Catholick Church And yet your Masters cannot deny but St. Cyprian not St. Austin as you mistake resolves thus (h) Cypr. Pompeio ep Haeresis Christi sponsa non est Heresie is not the spouse of Christ But every thing that is called heresie by you or error in doctrine with us will not separate from the Catholick communion St. Austin therefore limits it thus (i) Aug. de Fide Symb. c. 10. Haeretici de Deo falsa sentiendo ipsam fidem violant Quapropter non pertinent ad Ecclesiam Catholicam every violation of the faith cuts not off from the Catholick Church but a false opinion of God does beware of that take heed how you think amisse of the blessed Trinity or any person therein And in this sense is that of Tertullian to be understood (k) Tertul. de Praescrip c 37. Si Haeretici sunt Christiani esse non possunt where an heresie is against any person of the Trinity there 's no Christianity That Great Athanasius therefore tells us that (l) Athan. de Spiritu sancto p. 202. 203. this beliefe in the Father the Son and the holy Ghost Christ gave to be setled in the Church as a foundation to the Church the foundation of faith and the faith of the Catholick Church And (m) Ib p. 204. whoever divides the Son from the Father or reckons the holy Ghost among creatures he neither hath the Father nor the Son sed impius est sine Deo infideli deterior quidvis potius quam Christianus but he is an impious man without God worse then an Infidel and any thing rather then a Christian. And if no Christian no member of the Church * Hilar. Pict ad Constant Aug. p. 273. Catholicus sum nolo esse Haereticus Christianus sum non Arianus Thus far I dare goe with these Fathers but no further But if as you will have it every error in matters of faith pertinaciously held be an heresie and separate from the Catholick Church Rome hath been in an ill case for many yeers For those foure errors mentioned § 29. ye have held with pertinacy enough and yet are they by the Archbishop strongly proved to be errors though your stomachs be too high to retract them 31. But you would fain have me doe what our Church hath never done that is to charge your Church with heresie for say you (n) n. 7. if the Church of Rome be guilty of heresie she is no part of the Catholick Church But I never said she was guilty of heresie and till I have just cause to say so I shall forbear to say that she is no part of the Catholick Church And I shall be as tender as my betters have been to set down (o) Archbishop Lawd §. 11. n. 1. what errors in doctrine may give just cause of separation in this bedy or the parts of it one from another I have satisfied my selfe that the Reformation of this Church was Canonicall and is justifiable and that she was and is a very member of the Catholick in whose communion I have ever lived wherein also by Gods grace I am resolved to die And it were wisdome in you to see your Church justified from those foure errors before you enter into further controversies As for that (p) n. 7. which you produce out of the 11 Sect. there it is sufficiently proved that your Church hath most sacrilegiously robbed the Laity of Christs blood This is not denyed I take it therefore for confessed and hope your Masters will see it mended 32. Well if we will not declare yours to be no Church you will prove yours or ours to be no Church and upon these grounds (q) Ib. 4 ly say you Christs mysticall body is but one and although that body is made up of many members yet all those members must communicate one with another for if a member be separated but by schisme it is like an arm cut off from the body or a branch from the vine which make that arm or branch no part of the body or vine What though all this be granted will this make one of the two no Church I beleeve not That Christs mysticall body is but one the Scripture speaks more then once 1 Cor. 12.13 Eph. 1.23 Col. 1.18 That may not be denyed or questioned That this body is made up of many members is liwise testified Ro. 12.4 5. 1. Cor. 12.12 c. And we know all those members must communicate one with another and wherein (r) 1. Cor. 12.25 26. in the same care one for another in the same sufferings and rejoycings one with another We are not bound to communicate with you in the same ceremonies gesture superstition or error no more then the hand is bound to communicate with the foot in going the heels with the ears in hearing or either with the other in the gout or any other disease The difference between you us is this we love the body and hate the disease but you love the body so that ye love and foster the disease hate those that are not visited with the like contagion We communicate with you in the necessaries in Faith Hope and Charity as also in all things essentiall to a Church We beleeve the Scriptures and the three Creeds with you though not alwayes in the same sense Our hopes are the same with yours though we something differ in