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A66150 A defence of the exposition of the doctrine of the Church of England against the exceptions of Monsieur de Meaux, late Bishop of Condom, and his vindicator : the contents are in the next leaf. Wake, William, 1657-1737. 1686 (1686) Wing W236; ESTC R524 126,770 228

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819_o etc._n etc._n trent_n but_o rather_o a_o true_a and_o natural_a exposition_n of_o it_o article_n vii_o §._o 1._o of_o satisfaction_n if_o the_o 73._o the_o conc._n trid._n sess_n 14._o cap._n 8._o can._n 73._o council_n of_o trent_n have_v express_v itself_o in_o such_o term_n 55._o vindicat._n pag._n 54_o 55._o as_o do_v plain_o ascribe_v to_o our_o endeavour_n a_o true_a and_o proper_a satisfaction_n whatever_o mounseur_fw-fr de_fw-fr meaux_n or_o his_o vindicator_n expound_v to_o the_o contrary_a we_o be_v not_o to_o be_v blame_v for_o charge_v they_o with_o it_o it_o be_v not_o enough_o to_o say_v that_o they_o believe_v christ_n to_o have_v make_v a_o entire_a satisfaction_n for_o sin_n and_o that_o the_o necessity_n of_o that_o payment_n which_o they_o require_v we_o to_o make_v for_o ourselves_o do_v not_o arise_v from_o any_o defect_n in_o that_o but_o from_o a_o certain_a order_n which_o god_n have_v establish_v for_o a_o salutary_a discipline_n and_o to_o keep_v we_o 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vel_fw-la una_fw-la tantùm_fw-la resp_n p._n 1899._o after_o two_o other_o manner_n of_o explication_n he_o add_v tertius_fw-la tamen_fw-la modus_fw-la videtur_fw-la probabilior_fw-la quòd_fw-la una_fw-la tantùm_fw-la sit_fw-la actualis_fw-la satisfactio_fw-la eáque_fw-la nostra_fw-la neque_fw-la hinc_fw-la excluditur_fw-la christus_fw-la vel_fw-la satisfactio_fw-la ejus_fw-la nam_fw-la per_fw-la ejus_fw-la satisfactionem_fw-la habemus_fw-la gratiam_fw-la unde_fw-la satisfactiamus_fw-la &_o hoc_fw-la modo_fw-la dicitur_fw-la applicari_fw-la nobis_fw-la christi_fw-la satisfactio_fw-la non_fw-la quòd_fw-la immediatè_fw-la ipsa_fw-la ejus_fw-la satisfactio_fw-la tollat_fw-la poenam_fw-la temporalem_fw-la nobis_fw-la debitam_fw-la sed_fw-la quòd_fw-la mediatè_fw-la eam_fw-la tollat_fw-la quatenus_fw-la viz._n ab_fw-la eâ_fw-la gratiam_fw-la habemus_fw-la sine_fw-la quâ_fw-la nibil_n valeret_fw-la nostra_fw-la satisfactio_fw-la bellarmine_n have_v teach_v that_o it_o be_v we_o who_o proper_o satisfy_v for_o our_o own_o sin_n and_o that_o christ_n satisfaction_n serve_v only_o to_o make_v we_o valid_a have_v the_o vindicator_n be_v ingenuous_a he_o will_v not_o have_v think_v it_o sufficient_a to_o answer_v with_o the_o error_n of_o the_o press_n but_o have_v look_v into_o the_o place_n where_o it_o indeed_o be_v c._n 10._o of_o that_o book_n that_o both_o expiandus_fw-la both_o as_o to_o the_o point_n of_o satisfaction_n belarmine_n distinguish_v between_o a_o satisfaction_n to_o justice_n and_o a_o satisfaction_n to_o friendship_n and_o then_o conclude_v cum_fw-la homines_fw-la peccant_a in_o deum_n amicitiam_fw-la simul_fw-la &_o justitiam_fw-la violent_fw-la as_o to_o the_o former_a non_fw-la potest_fw-la homo_fw-la deo_fw-la satisfacere_fw-la etc._n etc._n p._n 1675._o the_o question_n be_v de_fw-fr satisfactione_n quâ_fw-la justitiae_fw-la restauretur_fw-la aequalitas_fw-la and_o because_o he_o suppose_v that_o the_o gild_n be_v remit_v and_o we_o receive_v into_o friendship_n with_o god_n the_o eternity_n be_v thereby_o take_v from_o the_o pain_n the_o question_n amount_v to_o thus_o much_o a_o satisfacere_fw-la possint_fw-la homines_fw-la pro_fw-la expiando_fw-la reatu_fw-la illius_fw-la poenae_fw-la qui_fw-la interdum_fw-la remanet_fw-la post_fw-la remissionem_fw-la culpae_fw-la and_o whether_o those_o work_n by_o which_o it_o be_v do_v sint_fw-la dicenda_fw-la propriè_fw-la satisfactoria_fw-la ita_fw-la ut_fw-la nos_fw-la dicamur_fw-la verè_fw-la ac_fw-la propriè_fw-la domino_fw-la satisfacere_fw-la now_o both_o these_o he_o affirm_v and_o explicate_v the_o latter_a from_o the_o council_n thus_o c._n 7._o de_fw-la poenit_fw-la lib._n 4._o p._n 1694._o l._n c._n per_fw-la opera_fw-la illa_fw-la poenalia_fw-la de_fw-la quibus_fw-la hàctenus_fw-la locuti_fw-la sumus_fw-la verè_fw-la ac_fw-la propriè_fw-la domino_fw-la satisfieri_fw-la pro_fw-la reatu_fw-la poenae_fw-la qui_fw-la post_fw-la culpam_fw-la dimissam_fw-la remanet_fw-la expiandus_fw-la he_o and_o venialis_fw-la and_o i_o shall_v instance_n only_o in_o vasquez_n in_o 3_o p._n d._n 2._o c._n 1._o p._n 11._o first_o he_o lay_v down_o the_o opinion_n of_o several_a of_o the_o schoolman_n alex._n d'ale_n ricardus_n ruardus_n tapperus_n etc._n etc._n who_o hold_v that_o a_o mere_a man_n may_v condign_o satisfy_v for_o his_o own_o sin_n this_o he_o reject_v because_o he_o suppose_v it_o can_v be_v do_v without_o god_n assist_v grace_n to_o which_o we_o forfeit_v all_o right_n by_o sin_n and_o so_o it_o will_v follow_v nostram_fw-la satisfactionem_fw-la pro_fw-la peccato_fw-la proprio_fw-la perfectam_fw-la non_fw-la esse_fw-la ex_fw-la eo_fw-la quòd_fw-la fiat_fw-la non_fw-la ex_fw-la propriis_fw-la sed_fw-la ex_fw-la acceptis_fw-la p._n 21._o c._n 5._o n._n 53._o but_o now_o second_o god_n grace_n be_v suppose_v he_o conclude_v as_o to_o mortal_a sin_n c._n 6._o p._n 22._o n._n 58._o nos_fw-la reipsa_fw-la nunc_fw-la satisfacere_fw-la deo_fw-la pro_fw-la nostro_fw-la peccato_fw-la &_o offensâ_fw-la he_o tell_v we_o that_o some_o indeed_o allow_v that_o our_o contrition_n may_v be_v call_v a_o satisfaction_n though_o not_o a_o sufficient_a one_o n._n 59_o nam_fw-la qui_fw-la pro_fw-la compensatione_fw-la exhiber_fw-la id_fw-la quod_fw-la potest_fw-la licet_fw-la minus_fw-la sufficiens_fw-la illud_fw-la sit_fw-la dicitur_fw-la aliquo_fw-la modo_fw-la satisfacere_fw-la this_o reason_n vasquez_n dislike_v he_o be_v content_a this_o satisfaction_n shall_v be_v call_v minus_n sufficiens_fw-la but_o then_o only_o upon_o the_o account_n before_o mention_v o_o its_o proceed_n from_o the_o grace_n of_o god_n so_o that_o si_fw-mi contritio_fw-la praecederet_fw-la infusionem_fw-la gratia_n habitualis_fw-la ex_fw-la parte_fw-la efficientis_fw-la non_fw-la solùm_fw-la satisfaceret_fw-la pro_fw-la maculâ_fw-la peccati_fw-la condignè_fw-la sed_fw-la etian_n condignè_fw-la mereretur_fw-la gratiae_n habitualis_fw-la infusionem_fw-la and_o this_o he_o expound_v as_o the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o council_n of_o trent_n n._n 62_o 63_o p._n 23._o as_o for_o venial_a sin_n disp_n 3._o c._n 3._o p._n 27._o ita_fw-la concedi_fw-la mus_fw-la say_v he_o homini_fw-la justo_fw-la pro_fw-la svo_fw-la peccato_fw-la veniali_fw-la condignam_fw-la &_o perfectam_fw-la satisfactionem_fw-la u_fw-la ea_fw-la non_fw-la indigeat_fw-la favore_fw-la dei_fw-la condonantis_fw-la peccatum_fw-la vel_fw-la aliquid_fw-la illius_fw-la aut_fw-la acceptantis_fw-la satisfactionem_fw-la sed_fw-la talis_fw-la sit_fw-la ut_fw-la ex_fw-la naturâ_fw-la suâ_fw-la deleat_fw-la maculam_fw-la &_o poenam_fw-la peccati_fw-la venialis_fw-la other_o of_o their_o communion_n have_v teach_v it_o as_o the_o doctrine_n of_o their_o church_n that_o we_o can_v make_v a_o true_a and_o proper_a satisfaction_n for_o sin_n be_v beyond_o denial_n evident_a and_o it_o have_v before_o be_v say_v that_o the_o council_n of_o trent_n approve_v their_o doctrine_n but_o that_o protestant_n ever_o 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than_o a_o bare_a supposition_n that_o it_o be_v injurious_a to_o the_o merit_n of_o jesus_n christ_n and_o which_o have_v no_o other_o proof_n than_o our_o own_o presumption_n part_n ii_o article_n viii_o of_o the_o sacrament_n in_o general_n as_o to_o the_o number_n of_o the_o sacrament_n 59_o vindicat._n p._n 59_o the_o vindicator_n confess_v that_o it_o be_v not_o to_o be_v find_v either_o in_o scripture_n or_o antiquity_n he_o think_v it_o sufficient_a that_o the_o scripture_n mention_n a_o exterior_a ceremony_n and_o a_o interior_a grace_n annex_v thereunto_o he_o shall_v then_o have_v show_v we_o that_o all_o those_o seven_o which_o they_o receive_v have_v at_o least_o such_o a_o outward_a sign_n as_o he_o pretend_v and_o a_o inward_a grace_n by_o christ_n institution_n annex_v to_o it_o and_o this_o so_o much_o the_o rather_o for_o that_o no_o one_o of_o his_o church_n have_v yet_o be_v able_a to_o do_v it_o though_o the_o council_n of_o trent_n damn_v all_o those_o that_o 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