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A86188 Judas excommunicated, or A vindication of the communion of saints: being a brief examination and clear refutation of Mr Peter Lightfoots arguments for proof of Judas his receiving the sacrament of the Lords Supper, (which, could he prove, makes nothing at all for a mixt Communion.) / By Joseph Heming, a servant to all men in the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Heming, Joseph. 1649 (1649) Wing H1420; Thomason E565_5; ESTC R206114 14,086 27

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continued with me in my temptations And I appoint to You a Kingdom as my Father hath appointed to me That ye may eat and drink at ●…y table in my Kingdom and sit on twelve Thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel But 1. Iudas had not continued with him in his temptation Neither 2. Could Christ appoint to him any other Kingdom but that of wrath and darkness Nor 3. Was he ever like to sit at Christs table in his Kingdom much less sit on a throne in the judgment of the twelve tribes who is himself to be judged as a devil 4. Math. 26.31 All ye shall be offended because of me this night This is the same All to whom the Sacrament was delivered Let Mr Lightfoot take heed how he traduce Christ himself by affirming Iudas was one of that All he administred the seal and spake these words to And let him not think to evade any of these Scriptures by saying Iudas has received the Sacrament and was gone forth unless he be able to prove it Mr Lightfoot I cannot conceive how any shadow can be to gainsay his receiving Ans He doth well to blame the dulness of his own conception The cause he seeth not is that darkness which dwells in him Mr Lightfoot onely to vapor out another business Ans The business he meaneth depends not upon Judas his receiving or not receiving and that he and others may beleeve it doth not I will here grant that Judas did receive the Sacrament now let Mr Lightfoot do his worst Mr Lightfoot which will be as soon blown over as this Ans I beleeve him for this business is not yet blown over He that doth it must have a stronger breath then Mr Po●…r Lightfoot Mr Lightfoot For the fancy is to make a noise of only the Saints receiving Answer Hear O Heavens and give ear O Earth how reproachfully the man calls that a fancy all the Scriptures bear witness to the most precious truth Come let us reason together a little Mr Lightfoot Do you beleeve there is a Communion of Saints If so how dare you call it a fancy If you know no such Communion but Oh that you knew it or rather were known of God in it may I not justly number you amongst those Iu●● 10. who speak evil of things they know not What Is your Communion of Christ and Belial light and darkness precious and vile Saints and Devils Can two walk together except they be agreed Amos 3.3 And do you think there will ever be any concord or agreement between these Why would you have the dirt and filth of the Nation bound up in the same bundle with the precious Sons of Sion Why will you not allow Iesus Christ the most precious materials living stones to build him a house a temple withall Come deal faithfully with your own soul and tell me whether the Communion of Saints be a fancy or not and give me leave to open my heart as freely to you and in so doing tell you that I am afraid your Fellowship is in and with Darkness but assure your self the light will finde you out at length if not to your conversion but oh that it might be to that yet to your utter shame and confusion of face in the presence of those Saints you dayly reproach and wound yea and Christ through their sides Oh that I could hear you say this expression dropt from your pen before you were aware of it and that in truth not in hypocrisie or that you would smite upon your thigh and say What have I done Mr Lightfoot Which if we could prove then we might gather particular Churches Answer So then by his own confession if we can but prove none but Saints i.e. such as have upon them visible or external sanctity should receive the Sacrament we may lawfully gather together into a particular he means Independent Congregation Will the man stand to this think you I fear not If he will I dare say that shall hereafter be proved an abundanti both from the Scriptures the constitution and practice of the primitive Churches the Confessions of Faith of the most Churches in Christendom and the universal consent of such godly Divines both ancient and modern as he himself durst not but judg sound and orthodox And the lawfulness of gathering particular Congregations though I am not gathering any I shall defend against all Mr Lightfoot hath to say on the contrary I wish be may 〈◊〉 in the mean time forget what he hath spoken but if be he should I shall relieve his memory Mr Lightfoot And so make a gain of that godliness Ans Who gains most man those that gather such Churches or such as get sat parsonages of two or 300 l. per annu●● and leave them when they can get better as having a clearer call or a better ayr c. Take heed how you go about to stamp an odium upon the ways of God you may pay dearly for it one day Mr Lightfoot Which by steps would set us in such an opposition to the wicked Ans Whom M● Lightfoot never intends to oppose but countenance associate and have communion with as appears by what he hath written and dayly speaks on their behalf Mr Lightfoot As that we would leave them neither wealth life not liberty Look of the actions beginning and ending of Muncer and his holy crew set down by Sleidan Ans 1. This is but the mans old trade of calumniating lying and belying I wish he would leave it But in the mean time I dare pawn my life that generation of men he intends shall not touch so much as one hair of his head much less his wealth life or liberty I am afraid some of his unholy crew for why should I separate him from those with whom he will have communion he must and shall go with them ' ●is for fellowship with unholy ones he contends let him deny it if he can would touch theirs if ever it lay within their reach But by the way take notice Mr Lightfoot is an Independent and knows not of it be but now condemned L●berty of conscience in matters of worship and yet here he pleads for Liberty even for the Wicked Liberty in the grossest fence Liberty with the Mischief But what a miserable condition are those poor men commonly known by the nick-name of Independents in one while they are cryed out upon us the onely men that would have Liberty ye● a Toleration of Wickedness Blasphemy Her●sie Sects Schisms c. another while they are set in such an opposition to the wicked as that they would leave them neither wealth life nor liberty I am unwilling to put a strange interpretation upon Mr Lightfoot's Liberty I would therefore have him to unriddle himself and then happily he and I may agree In the mean time I propound this quer●● to his consideration viz. Whether there be not a world as I may say in England as well as a Church and