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A57276 An account of a disputation at Oxford, anno dom. 1554 with A treatise of the Blessed Sacrament / both written by Bishop Ridley, martyr ; to which is added a letter written by Mr. John Bradford, never before printed all taken out of an orig[i]nal manuscript. Ridley, Nicholas, 1500?-1555. 1688 (1688) Wing R1451; ESTC R29318 43,457 78

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