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A16151 The suruey of Christs sufferings for mans redemption and of his descent to Hades or Hel for our deliuerance: by Thomas Bilson Bishop of Winchester. The contents whereof may be seene in certaine resolutions before the booke, in the titles ouer the pages, and in a table made to that end. Perused and allowed by publike authoritie. Bilson, Thomas, 1546 or 7-1616. 1604 (1604) STC 3070; ESTC S107072 1,206,574 720

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false_a proposition_n and_o conclusion_n without_o all_o wa●…ant_n of_o the_o word_n of_o god_n as_o 10._o as_o trea_n pa._n 46._o li._n 10._o thus_o do_v the_o member_n of_o christ_n suffer_v therefore_o of_o n●…_n 〈◊〉_d christ_n our_o head_n suffer_v the_o like_a yea_o far_o great_a terror_n of_o god_n and_o assault_n of_o the_o devil_n and_o so_o you_o reason_n 1._o reason_n ibid_fw-la 〈◊〉_d 32._o &_o pag._n 47._o li._n 1._o which_o can_v not_o be_v refute_v by_o the_o wit_n of_o man_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d we_o not_o but_o wherein_o he_o have_v experience_n of_o our_o temptation_n but_o he_o succour_v 〈◊〉_d in_o these_o 〈◊〉_d temptation_n of_o feel_v the_o sorrow_n of_o hell_n therefore_o he_o himself_o ha●…_n experience_n of_o the_o s●…me_n where_o to_o show_v your_o wit_n you_o join_v a_o affirmative_a conclusion_n ●…o_o a_o negative_a mayor_n and_o in_o defiance_n of_o all_o truth_n and_o reason_n you_o make_v this_o childish_a and_o ignorant_a manner_n of_o reason_v to_o be_v irrefutable_a and_o so_o your_o pleasant_a electua●…_n that_o 33._o that_o trea_n pag._n 45_o li._n 33._o of_o all_o absurditi●…s_v this_o be_v the_o great_a that_o mere_a man_n shall_v suffer_v more_o deep_o and_o more_o bitter_o the_o sorrow_n and_o pain_n of_o hell_n than_o christ_n do_v all_o these_o you_o build_v upon_o this_o foundation_n christ_n be_v 4._o be_v heb._n 4._o tempt_v in_o all_o thing_n after_o aliken●…sse_n but_o without_o sin_n no●…_n that_o ●…he_n ●…is_fw-mi any_o such_o intention_n or_o direction_n in_o the_o apostle_n word_n but_o that_o you_o will_v mak●…_n such_o a_o construction_n of_o they_o and_o no_o man_n must_v say_v nay_o to_o let_v you_o see_v your_o folly_n and_o 〈◊〉_d in_o this_o point_n i_o 283._o i_o co●…lus_n pa._n 283._o show_v you_o many_o corporal_a pain_n and_o sorrow_n and_o likewise_o many_o spiritual_a which_o christ_n never_o feel_v as_o touch_v the_o cause_n and_o object_n of_o those_o affliction_n though_o i_o do_v not_o exempt_v he_o 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and_o 〈◊〉_d both_o do_v speak_v of_o the_o suffering_n of_o mankind_n in_o general_a and_o of_o each_o part_n of_o nature_n apt_a to_o suffer_v but_o not_o of_o every_o particular_a in_o each_o of_o they_o or_o which_o each_o meet_v withal_o you_o be_v where_o you_o will_v be_v when_o you_o and_o the_o apostle_n go_v hand_n in_o hand_n as_o you_o make_v yourself_o believe_v though_o you_o come_v nothing_o near_o the_o apostle_n speech_n o●…_n sense_n then_o since_o it_o suffice_v for_o the_o truth_n of_o the_o apostle_n word_n that_o christ_n feel_v fear_v sorrow_n shame_n pain_n and_o death_n which_o be_v common_a to_o all_o man_n and_o there_o be_v no_o need_n that_o christ_n shall_v have_v all_o the_o same_o cause_n of_o fear_n sorrow_n sh●…me_n and_o pain_n which_o every_o man_n have_v or_o may_v
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with_o great_a advice_n admit_v this_o article_n into_o the_o creed_n otherwise_o how_o can_v it_o be_v that_o with_o so_o full_a consent_n of_o all_o nation_n and_o all_o tongue_n this_o clause_n shall_v be_v so_o constant_o and_o so_o consent_o receive_v repeat_v therefore_o many_o other_o sense_n he_o refuse_v they_o every_o one_o and_o conclude_v ibid●…m_fw-la quare_fw-la mea_fw-la est_fw-la sententia_fw-la christum_fw-la descendisse_fw-la ad_fw-la inferos_fw-la postquam_fw-la tradidisset_fw-la spiritum_fw-la in_o manus_fw-la dei_fw-la patris_fw-la in_o cruse_n etc._n etc._n wherefore_o my_o opinion_n be_v that_o christ_n descend_v into_o hell_n after_o he_o yield_v his_o soul_n on_o the_o cross_n to_o the_o hand_n of_o god_n his_o father_n ibidem_fw-la and_o hell_n in_o this_o question_n we_o put_v to_o be_v a_o certain_a place_n appoint_v for_o the_o damn_a even_o for_o satan_n and_o his_o member_n ibidem_fw-la to_o the_o word_n of_o christ_n utter_v to_o the_o thief_n this_o 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ieiunio_fw-la adversus_fw-la psyc●…cos_fw-la of_o fast_v against_o the_o car●…all_a man_n which_o saint_n jerom_n say_v be_v write_v 17._o specialiter_fw-la adversum_fw-la ecclesiam_fw-la particular_o against_o the_o church_n where_o he_o likewise_o tax_v the_o christian_n for_o resist_v the_o paraclet_n or_o new_a prophecy_n of_o montanus_n cover_v they_o under_o the_o name_n of_o the_o paraclet_n and_o interpret_n the_o one_o by_o the_o other_o 17._o hiparaeleto_fw-it controver_n siam_fw-la faciunt_fw-la propter_fw-la hoc_fw-la novae_fw-la prophetiae_fw-la recusantur_fw-la non_fw-la quod_fw-la alium_fw-la deum_fw-la praedicent_fw-la montanus_n priscilla_n &_o maximilla_n sed_fw-la quod_fw-la plane_n doceant_fw-la saepius_fw-la ieiunare_fw-la quam_fw-la nubere_fw-la these_o ●…arnall_a man_n quarrel_v with_o the_o paraclet_n and_o therefore_o be_v the_o new_a prophecy_n refuse_v not_o that_o montanus_n priscilla_n &_o maximilla_n preach_v another_o god_n but_o that_o they_o plain_o 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reason_n and_o end_n of_o christ_n go_v to_o hell_n the_o place_n of_o the_o damn_a that_o he_o may_v deliver_v some_o of_o the_o damn_a out_o of_o hell_n torment_n which_o most_o strange_a conceit_n of_o his_o yourself_o conf●…e_v right_o the_o end_n of_o christ_n descend_v to_o hell_n be_v by_o the_o father_n confess_v to_o be_v double_a the_o one_o to_o destroy_v death_n and_o the_o ruler_n thereof_o even_o the_o devil_n the_o other_o to_o deliver_v all_o his_o elect_n from_o the_o power_n danger_n and_o fear_v of_o hell_n the_o scripture_n do_v not_o conc●…le_a that_o christ_n by_o his_o death_n and_o resurrection_n wrought_v these_o thing_n ●…_n by_o death_n christ_n de●…royed_v he_o that_o have_v the_o rule_n of_o death_n even_o the_o devil_n and_o deliver_v all_o they_o which_o for_o f●…re_n of_o death_n be_v all_o their_o l●…fe_n long_a subject_n to_o bondage_n rise_v again_o he_o 2._o loose_v the_o sorrow_n of_o death_n 2._o spoil_v principality_n and_o power_n and_o make_v 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