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by_o want_v what_o be_v use_v in_o they_o and_o why_o because_o the_o whole_a matter_n and_o form_n of_o ordination_n do_v not_o say_v he_o consist_v in_o the_o imposition_n of_o hand_n and_o the_o word_n receive_v the_o holy_a ghost_n etc._n etc._n which_o be_v all_o that_o we_o use_v this_o be_v the_o brief_a of_o his_o 13._o chap._n but_o foresee_v that_o he_o must_v acknowledge_v their_o own_o author_n agree_v not_o among_o themselves_o about_o the_o matter_n and_o form_n wherein_o their_o sacrament_n of_o order_n do_v consist_v essential_o he_o therefore_o first_o seek_n to_o clear_v his_o way_n by_o lay_v down_o two_o proposition_n first_o that_o the_o determinate_a matter_n and_o form_n of_o the_o sacrament_n be_v not_o full_o express_v in_o scripture_n so_o pag._n 412._o which_o how_o false_a it_o be_v of_o baptism_n and_o the_o eucharist_n who_o see_v not_o yet_o he_o instance_n in_o both_o in_o baptism_n say_v he_o the_o form_n of_o the_o western_a church_n be_v i_o baptise_v 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rome_n for_o the_o whole_a matter_n and_o form_n and_o because_o we_o know_v not_o certain_o in_o or_o by_o which_o word_n or_o action_n the_o sacrament_n be_v essential_o perfect_v therefore_o we_o must_v not_o omit_v any_o of_o those_o word_n thing_n or_o action_n which_o the_o church_n use_v and_o in_o the_o whole_a comprehension_n of_o which_o their_o author_n all_o agree_v the_o whole_a matter_n and_o form_n of_o that_o sacrament_n to_o consist_v pag._n 413_o 414._o but_o first_o this_o do_v not_o prove_v that_o our_o ordination_n be_v certain_o null_a and_o invalid_a as_o he_o pretend_v because_o we_o omit_v some_o thing_n and_o word_n which_o they_o use_v for_o they_o be_v not_o agree_v whether_o it_o essential_o consist_v in_o those_o we_o use_v or_o in_o those_o we_o omit_v but_o only_o conclude_v we_o can_v in_o their_o judgement_n be_v certain_a
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