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infant_n baptism_n with_o divers_a other_o assert_v the_o same_o from_o pag._n 133._o to_o the_o 137._o to_o which_o mr._n will_n say_v pag._n 115._o 122._o that_o it_o be_v a_o false_a suggestion_n and_o exceed_v all_o modesty_n for_o although_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n ascribe_v too_o much_o to_o tradition_n herein_o make_v it_o equal_a with_o the_o scripture_n yet_o that_o the_o ancient_a father_n do_v plead_v that_o it_o come_v in_o the_o room_n of_o circumcision_n and_o that_o infant_n have_v right_a thereto_o from_o the_o right_n that_o the_o jew_n infant_n have_v to_o circumcision_n and_o that_o the_o protestant_n when_o they_o use_v the_o word_n tradition_n do_v it_o as_o the_o father_n before_o they_o in_o sensu_fw-la sano_fw-la in_o a_o wholesome_a sense_n quite_o different_a from_o the_o corrupt_a sense_n of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n to_o which_o i_o say_v though_o mr._n will_n affirm_v baptism_n agreement_n betwixt_o papist_n &_o protestant_n about_o the_o tradition_n 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aught_o to_o be_v esteem_v as_o firm_a and_o good_a as_o the_o scripture_n itself_o p._n 117._o do_v the_o papist_n teach_v author_n 4._o papist_n that_o the_o church_n the_o subject_n not_o author_n that_o infant_n baptism_n be_v the_o appointment_n of_o christ_n himself_o and_o practise_v of_o the_o apostle_n though_o no_o mention_n when_o it_o be_v give_v forth_o nor_o when_o and_o where_o practise_v treat_n bap._n 134._o so_o do_v also_o mr._n will_n in_o the_o name_n of_o the_o protestant_n affirm_v author_n protestant_n that_o the_o church_n the_o subject_n not_o the_o author_n that_o infant_n baptism_n be_v a_o apostolical_a practice_n and_o ordinance_n not_o that_o the_o primitive_a church_n be_v the_o author_n but_o subject_a thereof_o christ_n himself_o have_v appoint_v it_o and_o approve_v thereof_o though_o not_o where_o write_v p._n 119._o five_o do_v the_o papist_n maintain_v ancient_n 5._o papist_n testefied_a by_o the_o ancient_n that_o the_o truth_n of_o this_o 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261._o etc._n etc._n but_o notorious_o do_v deny_v original_a sin_n as_o pag._n 265._o and_o therefore_o do_v doctor_n owin_n in_o his_o display_v of_o arianism_n ch_n 12._o say_v nor_n do_v origen_n pelaginise_v a_o little_a only_a but_o be_v suppose_v first_o to_o have_v bring_v pelaginisme_n into_o the_o church_n and_o therefore_o do_v vossius_fw-la in_o his_o history_n of_o pelaginisme_n l._n 4._o th._n 6._o pag._n 153._o so_o much_o question_n whether_o those_o passage_n in_o his_o work_n mention_v infant_n baptism_n can_v be_v his_o upon_o the_o account_n of_o pelaginisme_n by_o all_o which_o i_o doubt_v not_o but_o that_o the_o judicious_a reader_n will_v conclude_v there_o be_v a_o good_a ground_n to_o judge_v this_o testimony_n of_o origen_n upon_o all_o these_o account_n to_o be_v as_o invallid_a and_o insignificant_a as_o the_o former_a and_o that_o as_o yet_o we_o have_v not_o the_o least_o evidence_n to_o prove_v this_o our_o unwriten_v tradition_n to_o be_v apostolical_a 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