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A20770 A treatise of the true nature and definition of justifying faith together with a defence of the same, against the answere of N. Baxter. By Iohn Downe B. in Divinity, and sometime fellow of Emanuel C. in Cambridge.; Selections Downe, John, 1570?-1631.; Baxter, Nathaniel, fl. 1606.; Bayly, Mr., fl. 1635.; Muret, Marc-Antoine, 1526-1585. Institutio puerilis. English. 1635 (1635) STC 7153; ESTC S109816 240,136 421

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true_a nature_n and_o definition_n of_o a_o vow_n i_o conclude_v as_o touch_v the_o obligation_n or_o bond_n thereof_o that_o every_o vow_n thus_o make_v unto_o god_n in_o such_o form_n of_o such_o matter_n by_o such_o person_n to_o such_o end_n as_o we_o have_v say_v bind_v the_o conscience_n unto_o performance_n in_o so_o much_o as_o the_o breach_n thereof_o be_v no_o less_o than_o mortal_a sin_n and_o very_o dishonourable_a unto_o god_n for_o if_o lawful_a promise_n be_v to_o be_v hold_v with_o man_n much_o more_o with_o god_n 15._o psal_n 15._o and_o if_o we_o be_v slack_a to_o pay_v they_o he_o will_v sure_o require_v they_o of_o we_o and_o so_o shall_v it_o be_v sin_n unto_o we_o 23.21_o deut._n 23.21_o 15._o but_o what_o if_o a_o man_n have_v rash_o vow_v that_o which_o be_v unlawful_a sure_o in_o such_o a_o case_n it_o be_v better_a to_o retract_v the_o vow_n then_o by_o keep_v it_o to_o add_v sin_n unto_o sin_n for_o a_o vow_n say_v the_o canon_n may_v not_o be_v the_o bond_n of_o iniquity_n and_o excellent_o to_o this_o purpose_n counsel_v philo_n the_o jew_n spec_fw-la de_fw-fr leg_n spec_fw-la let_v such_o a_o one_o therefore_o abstain_v say_v he_o and_o humble_o entreat_v god_n of_o his_o clemency_n to_o pardon_v the_o unaduised_a rashness_n whereby_o he_o be_v so_o headlong_o carry_v to_o swear_v for_o to_o double_v the_o offence_n when_o thou_o may_v discharge_v thyself_o of_o the_o one_o half_a be_v extreme_a madness_n and_o scarce_o ever_o curable_a 16._o now_o let_v we_o apply_v what_o have_v be_v say_v unto_o the_o particular_a vow_n of_o virginity_n or_o single_a life_n and_o first_o whereas_o nothing_o may_v be_v the_o matter_n of_o a_o vow_n but_o that_o which_o be_v lawful_a and_o thing_n lawful_a be_v of_o two_o sort_n either_o simple_o and_o moral_o good_a or_o arbitrary_a and_o indifferent_a sure_o virginity_n can_v be_v rank_v in_o the_o first_o order_n for_o to_o use_v no_o other_o than_o gerson_n reason_n perfect_a p._n 3._o de_fw-fr 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