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scripture_n	church_n	council_n	tradition_n	4,496	5	9.0822	5	true

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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A36190	Queries upon queries, or, Enquiries into Certain queries upon Dr. Pierce's sermon at Whitehall, Feb. 1	Dobson, John, 1633-1681.	1663 (1663)	Wing D1755; ESTC R12019	9,183	17

of Rome If it be is the Church so corrupted to be Reform'd or not If not why does not our Saviour permit the Pharisees quietly to enjoy their old Customes of Divorce If a Member be diseased may we not endeavour after a Cure If it may be Reform'd what Physician must we consult Must we go to Rome for a Remedy from thence possibly come our Corruptions and can we expect a Reformation from them Will the same Enemy that sow'd our Tares pull them up too Can the sword which made the wound become the plaister Is not every King Supreme in his own Dominions Have we not the same warrantable Rules of Reformation plain Scripture Natural Reason and Moral Prudence which others have If we are Corrupt why may not he reform us Does Christ bid us follow a Multitude to doe evil or rather are we not commanded to let them depart from us and purge our selves to a Primitive integrity Is that one way we are all bid to be of to be found in the Roman or the English Church If you say in the Roman where do you reade that If in the English do you not walk in a wrong way because in a way that is not ours QUERIE IX Were our Reformers here in England members of the Catholick Church or no If not then the Roman Church is no part of the Catholick because they were of the Roman Faith and yet according to you not Catholicks If they were may the same person be a member of the Catholick and the Head of a particular Church or not If not do you not split your self upon those dangerous Assertions That a King can be no Christian or a Christian no King If he may why may he not reform the Church he is Head of as head of that part though not as a Member of the whole If therefore those Members of our Church who desire a farther Reformation were Heads of it too they might reform us but so long as they are only Members I think they may not what think you If it be your judgement that they may why might not our first Reformers though Members of the Roman Church yet reform it If you think that the Head only can reform whether is the King Head of the Church which is in his own Kingdome or no If not are you not traitorous while you go about to rob him of his Supremacy and do you not deserve favour and indulgence from him If he be why do you quarrel with our first Reformers when you know the chief of them was the King QUERIE X. Whether those points commanded to be believ'd by the Council of Trent upon pain of damnation were to be believ'd upon that severe penalty before the sitting of that Council If they were then those are damn'd who died before the Creation of those Articles because they did not believe them how then fare the souls of our Sires If not was not that a Charitable Council to make the way to Heaven narrower then Christ had left it But supposing with you that they were not necessary the Querie will be whether they were lawful before it If they were then were they not added by the Council of Trent as you acknowledge they were but establish'd by a more Ancient Sanction If not could that Council make an Article of Faith which is beyond the power of any Authority under heaven to doe Gal. 1. 8. Can that which is unlawful in it self be made lawful by a Command or may the daughters drink poison because they are bid to doe so by their Mother or if they might is not Rome a kind Mother that will prescribe it Suppose again that those points were Antecedently indifferent such as might be believ'd or might not were they enjoyn'd because they might be believ'd or because they might not If because they might then either that doctrine may be believ'd which is not Apostolical contrary to S. Paul or those Injunctions were Apostolical contrary to your selves who confess they were New If because they might not Oh the power of the Council of Trent which can make us believe those things that an Angel from Heaven may not do How does it now follow because a lawful Magistrate may command a lawful thing to be done upon pain of damnation disobedience to a lawful command being damnable therefore the Council of Trent may as well command things to be believ'd that are utterly unlawful upon the same penalty QUERIE XI What do you mean by the Church The virtual Church as you are pleas'd to call the Pope or the Representative Church as you alwaies style your Councils or as we understand it The whole Company of Believers If you take it in this latter sense the Scriptures and the Primitive Fathers were to be found in the Church why might we not then have recourse to them When we suspected that the Pragmatical Romanists deliver'd to us Traditions of men instead of the Doctrines of the Gospel might we not consult those Oracles for satisfaction If in the two former senses why might we not run from the Church i. e. from the Pope and his Councils to the Scriptures and Fathers If we might have you any reason to be angry with our Reformers for doing what you allow them If not do you not advance your own Constitutions above those of the Scriptures and the Fathers while you will us to obey yours and slight theirs Again Let us by the Church understand the whole number of Christians that liv'd betwixt Christ's daies and those of our Reformers call'd by you the Essential Church was there not in that great Intervall of time a succession of different Ages and Centuries Did not a part of this whole number of Christians fill up those several Ages Do we not call those the Primitive Christians that the Primitive Church which liv'd and flourish'd in the Age of Christ or the Centuries next succeeding Had not you in the latter Ages by entertaining new Articles of Faith by introducing other Doctrines then what were from the Beginning corrupted your selves and so became Separatists from the Primitive faith truth and Church Why might not our Reformers then make a secession from the corrupted Romanists as they did from the purer Christians If there be any difference in the Schisms 't is this you separated from the Primitive by defiling we from you by reforming our selves And which I pray is the greater credit QUERIE XII Whether when the Protestants left Rome they did not take the Scriptures the Primitive Church and the four first general Councils along with them If they did not why don't you shew us that Iota as to which they left them If they did take them is it any doubt whether they left them QUERIE XIII Whether he that said Jerusalem was the Mother-Church of the Jews did not say Antioch was the Mother at least the eldest Church of the Gentiles If so is it possible that Rome should be their Mother too If there be