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A14357	M. le Hucher minister of Amyens in France compelled to fly from the pure word of holy write; strucke dumme; and made to runne away Vppon the subiect of the B. Sacrament of the altar. By F. Francis Veron of the Society of Iesus, encountring him with the Bible of Geneua only. In the presence of the Duke de Longueuille. VVith a briefe and easie meanes, by which each Catholike may, in like manner, put to flight any minister or sectarie. Sent from Sieur de la Tour one of the sayd Dukes gentlemen, to Sieur de Rotois, gentleman of the Kings game.; Adrian Hucher ministre d'Amyens, mis à l'inquisition des passages de la Bible de Genève. English	Véron, François, 1575-1649.; Catcher, Edward, 1584?-1624?	1616 (1616)	STC 24675.5; ESTC S107356	29,473	96

night for respite and to thinke vppon it but the Father denied him he alleaged he was suddainly surprised the other replied that he had had all the night and morning before for his proofe of that consequence It was not neede to take pitty of the Minister for his fellow Sectaries had sufficient cōmiseration of him all of them round about me beganne to change coulour the Elders and Superintendents stood as it were astonished cōfounded You may coniecture easily whether we were ioyfull thereat or no Alas said one the poore Minister wants a Chirurgian to open him a vayne This victory was more notorious by this which followeth The conquerour exacted of the vanquisshed to subscribe to the Acts of this conference according to the accord made between them A lamentable case that the ouercome must subscribe to the actes of his owne condemnation He refused to performe his promisse The Father after many instant vrgings of him in vaine turned towards my Lord and demaunded iustice that the Minister signe according as he had promised The Minister desired fauour beseeching him often that he would not cōmaund him to subscribe after many prayers adding these wordes I know how much it stands me vppon not to signe for if I do so all will be published and the Churches you vnderstand his meaning at least his lamenting voice discouered his intention the poore congregations he should say of the pure reformation will be scandalized therat The Father hauing before desired one of ours to shutt the doore least the Minister should runne away bid him consult with his Elders and Superintendents whether it were expedient to signe the actes or no for which cause drawing them apart it was resolued that he should not signe them I will send you shortly more at large this debate which lasted three quarters of an howre In fine with the consent of the Father they graunted him this fauour that he should not subscribe but with these two conditions the first that he should subscribe the morrow after the second that he should continew the dispute By this refusall to subscribe vnto the Actes it is apparent how notable the victorie was on our parte In the third encounter our Champion gott a third victory but in an other kind will you knowe what The Minister shamefully rann away He was not willing to be laid againe a gasping as before and therfore thought it better not to inter into the listes as I will declare afterward It was giuen out that the Superintendentes had expreslie forbidd him to venture himselfe with him who before had vsed him so vnmercifully for they well saw the confusion like to follow therof to the great detriment of their Churches Your Religious minde makes me presume you take great delight in this chace I will therfore giue you the whole narration But yett before hand I wil shew you a new māner of hunting which though you be most skilfull in that sport is perchance vnknowne vnto you The fashion is speedy with little paines and most effectuall by which practise our Huntsman hath so happily seazed on his pray and by the same I assure my self that euen we whose profession is to be better at our weapon then our penne may chace out of breath any Minister soeuer and make any Sectarie see how grosllie he is abused This I haue compiled as a thing I knowe to be true and wherof I meane to serue my self on all occasions In this Conference I haue had experience of this practise for therein was held no other methode to satisfy your desire who I knowe are curious to learne this new manner of hunting you may read this which followeth the like wherof was sent vnto the Minister as a letter of defiance Read it seriously To me it seemes most efficacious and as easy Wee shall all prooue hunters of these black beastes the Ministers I meane of the pretended Religion I would to God we could so chace away not their persons but their errours that we could purge all France thereof This I now send you laid downe at large you shall shortly haue the particulars of the conference aboue mentioned in which you will see it practised A BREEFE AND EASIE meanes by vvhich each one though ignorant of deuinity may by the sole Bible either of Geneua or any other shevv apperently to any Minister hovv farre he is deceaued and to each Caluinist hovv in all and euery point of the pretended reformation he is abused ENCOVNTRING a Minister or anie other Caluinist you shall proceed in this manner You haue in the 31. article of the Cōfession of your faith these words In our dayes in which the estate of the Church was dissolued God hath raised men after an extraordinary manner to repaire of new the Church which was ruinated and desolate Thus you say your Religion comes to reforme our errours In the 5. article are these words The word which is contayned in these bookes he spake of the bookes of Holy Scripture is the rule of all truth containing all that is necessary for the seruice of God and our saluation Neither is it lawfull for men no nor for Angells to adde diminish or change VVhence it followeth that neither Antiquitie nor Customes nor Multitude nor humane wisdome nor Definitions nor Inhibitions nor Proclamations nor Decrees nor Councels nor Reuelations nor Miracles may be opposed to the said holy Scriptures but on the contrarie all thinges ar to be examined ruled and reformed by them These are the wordes of this article So that in the one and the other article mētioned togeather you say that you or your Religion or your Ministers take your choise are raised and sent from God to illuminate vs with the light of truth to shew vs our errours and that by the sole and pure word of God contained in the holy Scripture 1. First I might examine the conditions of these Reformers you thrust vpon vs. And vntill you shew me your letter patents and commission I may iustly refuse to submitt my self to be reformed by you What body politicque will allow the title of Reformour of their Lawes and Customes according to which they haue hitherto proceeded in their gouernment in one who should say he was sent from the King for that purpose but had no Commission to shew for the same Notwithstanding in curtesy I do freely admitt you to the dignity and title of a Reformer am content to be instructed by you in the truth and to be reformed in whatsoeuer I do erre I would know of you 2. According to what rules by what line doth it please you to straighten me to shew my errours and illuminate me with the truth of the Gospell You make me answeare in the 5. article aboue cited that you will do all this according to the pure word of God sett downe in Holie writt laying aside All Antiquity Customes Multitude humane VVisdome Definitions Inhibitions Proclamations Lawes Councels Reuelations Miracles I could

but your eyes and skill to reade to see whether that be in the pure word or no. And that your Ministers preach that the Scripture is easie and that euery one there may learne his owne saluation you vnderstand I ame sure signification of English why then finde you not in the pure word that which the Ministers make you beleeue Assure your selues if you find it not it is because it is not there Confront therfore the place cited in the margent of the article with the article and you shall see how egregiously you are mocked And that you may see this more manifestly doe this following Write in one line one article or if it haue many partes one only clause of the same And if you finde any text of Scripture cited for that article or peece therof write in a second line the words of the text cited vnder the other line If you find no text cited as in many places there is not put vnder the first line a cypher for that if there were any text to authorize that article it would be cited This being donne compare the first line with the second If you find in the second line a cypher you are cleerly cosened If you find a text of Scripture see if that being precisely taken without medly of some thing els that is to say you must vnderstande this signifieth or the like containe that article proposed if it do not know that you are deceaued I my self haue paralelled these articles with the textes alledged in the margent take you but the like paines and I will assure you that in steed of the pure word you shall oft tymes finde a cypher other tymes in the text cited you shall not find one worde of the article and in breefe you shall not find there one article or entiere clause of those in Controuersy between vs. Behold how you are deluded ARTICLES OF THE CONFESSION OF FAITH OF the pretended reformed Churchs confronted with the pure word of holy writt Where it is euidently shewed that the textes of Scripture euen in the Geneua Bible cited in the margent of these articles conteine nothing of that which those articles teach against the Catholick faith which is A breefe easy meanes by which euery Caluinist may manifestlie perceaue how he is abused and wherby each Catholicke may shew the same vnto him To saue you the paines deceaued Countrymen which I wished you to take I haue heere confronted the articles of your faith controuerted with the places cited in the margēt after the fashion before sett downe and haue cited these textes according to the Geneua translation Compare them with me beginning at the 24. article In this article these clauses following are sett downe without any text cited in the margent for proof of any of them wherfore in steede of Scripture I wil giue you vnder euery clause for proofe a Cypher Article 24. 1. VVe hold that Purgatory is an Illusion Proofe o. 2. By the abuse and deceipt of Sathan Monasticall vovves vvere introduced Proofe o. 3. Out of the same vvare-hovvse proceeded Pilgrimages Proofe o. 4. Out of the same vvare-hovvse vvas brought in Auricular Confession Proofe o. 5. Out of the same vvare-hovvse sprang Indulgenees Proofe o. 6. Out of the same vvare-hovvse proceeded all other things by vvhich vve thinke to merite grace and saluation Proofe o. 7. VVe reiect all others meanes vvhich men presume to haue to reconcile themselues to God as derogatory from the death and passion of Iesus Christ. Proofe o. 8. It is lavvfull for vs to pray but only according to that forme vvhich God sett dovvne in his vvord Proofe o. In the 31. article you say The estate of the Church in our times vvas interrupted and hath failed that God hath raised some after an extraordinary manner to renevv the same being ruinated and desolate Proofe o. Behold how the Ministers and theyr Confession of faith do abuse you and how often in one only article They promise you not to instruct you but by the holy Scripture and proposing vnto you all these clauses to be beleeued they prooue none of them by any text of Scripture nor bring as much as one place of Scripture for confirmation of them Examine the articles you will finde more then a hundred clauses as well affirmatiues as negatiues for proofe wherof there is no text coated because in deed they haue it not iudge then if you be abused or no. And who I pray you can in equity accuse another vnles he produce some lawe commaunding or prohibiting some thing violated by the party accused Euery accusation commended to be truly an accusation not a calumny must be founded vpon the breach of some lawe and accompanied with it proofes These Reformers doe not only accuse but making themselues iudges doe condemne of Superstitions forgery and high treason against the deuine Maiesty the holy Fathers and vs all besides in those 8. poyntes sett downe and in diuers others which I omitt pronouncing theyr bloody sentence by which they declare both them and vs to be superstitious deceauers instruments of sathan in the promulgations of those diuelish illusions rehearsed This sentence pronounced for execution of the same they haue ouerthrowen our Monasteries prophaned our holy places and set fire on our Churches Of what crime doe they accuse vs do they condemne vs what deuine law doe they prooue to haue ben violated by vs They neyther prooue nor so much as cite any law any letter of holy write against which the holy Fathers we haue offended And yet they accuse vs they condemne vs. Shameles wretches but yet withall impudent liars They promise not to behaue themselues but only as instruments of the holy Scripture and not to propose ought but that And yet they pronounce the eight forsayd sentences without citing one sole passage of the Scripture See o you sectaries how palpably they abuse you But to see this more cleerly and withall to take away from the Ministers all meanes to circumuent you to your vtter ruine Consider with like attention that which ensueth In the 5. article they wold make you beleeue that the pure word which is conteined in the bookes of holy Scripture is the rule of all truth and that nothing must be beleeued but that which is in the pure word This article is of great consequence for reposing and grounding your selues vppon this and not vppon any other thing you reiect all the traditions of the Romane Church you giue your sentences of condemnation against vs you will not allow of neyther Antiquity nor Custome nor Multitude nor Humane wisedome nor Sentences nor Inhibitions nor Edicts nor Lawes nor Councells nor Visions nor Miracles And albeit all these make against your doctrine you make no bones thereof you scorne them all saying that you will nothing but the pure Scripture all the rest proceeds from men subiect vnto errours and that all other things must be examined ruled and reformed according to

donne in the other clauses An other clause of the 24. article Out of the vvare-hovvse of the deuill proceede the forbidding to marrie and the free vse of meates and the ceremonious obseruation of some daies Text. In the last times certaine shalt depart from the faith attending to spirits of errours forbidding to marry commaunding to abstaine from meates vvhich God created for the faithfull to receaue them vvith thanks giuing for euerie creature of God is good and nothing to be reiected 1. Timoth 4. Vers 3. Examen By this clause the Article seemes to reprehend the Catholicque Church but wrongfullie For. 1. shee forbids not to marrie otherwise no Catholick could be married but that he must breake the precept of the Church shee onlie causeth that to be kept which God in his Scriptures commaundeth to witt that men fulfill their vowes and for this cause that Preests and others which haue vowed chastity and continencie obserue their vowes wherby it followeth that they may not marrie Neither doth the text alledged say ought to the contrarie 2. I admire the little iudgment of the Ministers doe they thinke that the Physitians commaunding their patients to abstaine from some meates for a time to recouer their health doe goe against the Apostle and teach a deuilish doctrine I ame more amazed at the impudency of these men whoe reading the prohibition of some meates made by the Apostles gathered togeather in the 1. Councell Act. 15. vers 28. in these wordes It hath seemed good to the Holy Ghost and to vs to lay no further burden vppon you then these necessary things Among other things that you abstaine from bloud and that which is strangled They dare abusing the text cited say not without execrable blasphemy against the holy Apostles and against the holy Ghost That from the ware-howse of the diuell proceedeth the prohition of some meates terming heereby the holy Ghost sathan and the first sacred Councell of the Apostles the ware-howse of the deuill and theyr prohibition an abuse and illusion S. Paul which assisted at that sacred Councell is farr of from censuring in that manner that precept which he with the rest had decreed to abstaine from certayn meates But forseeing that there wold come heretiques that wold forbidde mariage as a thing in it self vnlawfull and inuented by the deuill and some meates as naught in themselues and of their owne nature so did the Maniche Marcion and Tatian as S. Augustine with others recounteth these the Apostle condemneth The Church is farr distant from this errour Thus doe S. Augustine S. Chrisostome S. Hierome and S. Ambrose expound this place and the reason which the Apostle bringeth for his condemnation conteined in these words euery creature of God is good doth authorize the same And it belongs to the Minister who is plaintife to prooue the contrarie Finally the Church doth not absolutelie commaund to abstaine from meates for it forbiddeth not fish whice is meate nor at all times but onlie certaine particular meates and at certaine times which thing the Apostle reprehends not who speaketh of these who absolutelie commaunde to abstaine from meates and that without limitation to any times 3. for the proofe of the 3. clause of the obseruation of daies the article hath cited no texte in that therfore it deceaueth An other clause of the 24. article IESVS CHRIST is giuen vs for the sole Aduocate All that vvhich men haue imagined about the intercession of Saintes departed is nought els but an abuse and deceipt of Sathan Examen The onlie pointe of controuersie between vs in the first clause of this article is of the word sole for thes two textes are cited in margent for the second clause nothing the first in the 1. Timoth. 2.5 Texte There is one only God and one onlie mediatour betvveen God and men man IESVS CHRIST Examen I will set downe the texte entierly to make it more cleere that he saith not that which the article teacheth behold the Apostles wordes God vvill that all men be saued and come to the knovvledge of truth for there is one only God and one only mediatour betvveene God and men man IESVS CHRIST vvho gaue himselfe for reedmption of all I finde not in this passage alledged the termes of Aduocate of intercession of which we debate neither finde I thar Saints are shutt out from that office of Aduocate as saith the article And if the Minister say that the name of mediatour as S. Paul vnderstands it is the same with Aduocate I aunsweare first that the Minister or rather his Confession of faith must prooue that the name of mediatour is taken for mediatour and Aduocate by intercession and not for mediatour and Aduocate by redemption He I say must prooue this and that by the pure word alone otherwise the place alledged consenteth not with the Confession of faith neither doth it reiect the intercession of Saintes 2. I make aunsweare which by the place entirely cited doth appeare that S. Paul spake of one Mediatour they are the Apostles owne words who hath giuen himselfe a redemption for all of such a Mediatour he saith that he is one alone neither doe the Catholickes teach that the Saintes are such mediatours This passage therfore prooues nothing against Catholicques neither doth it say that IESVS CHRIST is giuen vs for our sole Aduocate nor that to beleeue the intercession of Saints is an abuse and deceipt of the deuill ● This word sole hath beene added by the Ministers in the Geneua Bible for it is neither in the Greeke nor Latin texte and S. Paule to the Galat. 3. calleth Moyses Mediatour The seconde passage alledged for this clause in their Confession is in the 1. epistle of S. Iohn 2. Vers 1.2 2. Texte These things I vvrite vnto you that you sinne not But if any one sinne vve haue an Aduocate vvith the Father IESVS Christ the iust for he is the propitiation for our sinnes and not for ours only but also for those of the vvhole vvorlde Examen Is it not manifest that he speaketh not of euery Aduocate but of an Aduocate which is a propitiation for the sinnes of the whole world to witt by the effusion of his bloud The Catholicques hold not any other such Aduocate but our Sauiour To what purpose then is it to bring this passage which toucheth not that which is in controuersie And marke well that it is the Ministers parte who is Plaintife to shew that the name of Aduocate is heere taken for anie intercessour euen him who is not a propitiation for the sinnes of the world by his passion and all this by the pure worde 2. Besides if the Minister will pertinaciously vnderstand by the name of Aduocate him who is not a propitiation for the sinnes of the world which is of his owne head without the pure word yea against the pure word alledged This word only of which wee only striue not being in this text this place vere●eth not this

to saluation but flesh animated by his spirite and quickened by his deuine life in this manner we eate it In which fashion we cannot eate anie other flesh for it must first be dead before it nourish vs. Remember finally that I doe not by this Scripture prooue my faith this suffiseth me that in these words you reade not either figure of body or that we hold that it is donne spiritually in such manner that the body is not contained there this I say suffiseth to make you know you are misledd For since you reade it not which doubtles if it were there you might the pure word warranteth not that which this article containeth Behold Syr the arte which in this letter I promised to discouer vnto you is it not a rare worthy hunting-game haue you ere this seene such coursing F. Veron in teaching it me told me that which I know will giue it no small luster in your eye that he receaued the origine and substance therof from the R.F. Gontery which famous hunter was the authour and inuentour of this so efficacious and facile sport who also vsed no other in his disputes a-against the Ministers iudging this the best and most powerfull of all And you know well that that fearfull scourge of the Hereticke is most expert in these combats 〈◊〉 being so beaten a soldiour in those warres each prudent man wil make a great esteme of his aduise herein He hath putt to slight the Ministers of Dieppe of Caen of Sedan c. and among the rest some Allmaines he founde at Tourlac But how Truly by no other meanes but this by the pure Scripture alone and that after the Geneua Translation by the practise before set downe Sauing that he brideled them in more shortly for he neuer suffered them in any point debated to proceed by consequences which they said they would deduce out of the Scripture vnles they first subscribed that they could not enter combate with vs by the pure written word I should now sende you the relation promised of this Conference between F. Veron and the Minister Hucher but because the printer by reason of the great frostes could not dispatch the same so soone as I hoped not to keepe you wholy in suspence I send you the summary thereof togeather with the meanes to buckle with the Sectaries The whole Conference is vnder the presse you shall haue it within eight daies ioyne it to this fashion of hunting which I now send you for in that you will see the practise of this kinde of chace vsed by the Father in this conflict Heere will you also see by this so succesfull and remarkable victory the efficacy of this arte It is scarcely possible to putt a man to more confusion then the Minister was in The fame of this victory strooke the sectaries to the harte Seeing the title of this epistle before it was printed they were much offended at it but all partes thereof are easily iustified by the Actes of the Conference signed Behold out of them the Ministers owne wordes He hauing promised to shew by the pure word that IESVS Christ is not in the Eucharist after a little pressing said The truth is that these vvords the body of IESVS Christ is not in the Eucharist are not in the Scripture And after being vrged a little harder he confessed besides twice before all the assembly that he had not any text in Scripture which setting aside all consequences conteyned formally and expresly the sense of this proposition IESVS Christ is not in the Eucharist which notwithstanding he before vndertooke to shew by the pure word and so to reforme the Iesuite in his errour Is not this as much as to confesse that he could not by the pure word reforme vs in this point is not this to forsake it is not this to renounce the office and exercise of a reformer thinke you these fittes proceede from a merry hart wherfore with reason the epistle beares for title The Minister of Amiens constrained to renounce the pure vvord of holy vvrite He stayed so long dumme and in presence of so many personnes and of such quality that there is no tergiuersation and refused so long time in the third session to come to the proofe of that in which the day before he was struck speechles or also to deale in any other point that the flight is as euident as the day light VVherfore the epistle hath right vnto his title VVithin few dayes you shall see the narration at large well subscribed and signed in the meane tyme notwithstanding for iustification of the summary thereof sett downe in the beginning of this letter I haue procured these subscriptions following Subscriptions of the Conference the summe vvherof is contained in the beginning of this letter VVEE the subsigned Gentlemen of the Duke of Longueuille being present with our said Lord at the Conferences of which the narration is before set downe do testifie that they haue truly passed as it is declared Giuen at Amyens the 12. of February 1615. Pelletot Foucaucourt Le Cheualier de Moyencourt Gondreuille Tannere Goustimenil Courtauenel Certaine poincts collected out of this practise and other experiences of this kind reduced to six heads for the more warie proceeding of Catholiques with Sectaries of our age THE 1. poinct Seeing that our new Sectaries doe suppose vs Catholiques to be deceaued in our beleefe and that they ar sent to reforme vs by the onlie vvritten vvord of Scripture er the Catholique enter into conference with anie Sectarie let him first demaund what he vnderstandeth by the onlie vvritten vvord of Scripture whither the Old and new Testament with all the parts of eche both as we Catholiques doe or els what Then let the Catholique request the Sectarie to proue by the onlie vvritten vvord as he tooke vppon him that the whole Bible or such parcels as he doth admit for holie Scripture or reiect ar in deede or at not holy Scripture He cannot doe it but by Tradition and by the Catholique Church her authoritie The 2. is No Catholique conferring must seeke to proue our opinions which the Sectaries disalowe of for we ar in possession and defendants not plainetifes The 3. is The Catholique must not in any case permit the Sectarie to bring anie proofe whatsoeuer other then the onlie vvritten vvord of Scripture and this also without anie interpretation glose or consequence of his owne braine The 4. is Let not the Catholique suffer his Aduersary to leape from pale to pearch and from one Controuersie to another vntill he be conuinced of errour in his beleefe and this by the onlie vvritten vvord The 5. is The Sectarie not proouing by the onlie vvritten vvord that which he promised as not able to performe it the Catholique must constraine ether him or some els there present to subscribe that he could not prooue what he vndertooke in such sort as he ought to haue donne The 6. and last is The Catholique must confer and consider with attention the places of Scripture alledged by Sectaries to disproue our doctrine for ordinarilie they make no more to the purpose then appeare to a nut For example to prooue that vve must beleeue the onlie vvritten vvord they bring forth these places Deuter 4. v. 2. Deuter. 12. v. 32. Galat. 1. v. 8. Apocalip 22. v. 18. which make nothing against vs or for them For by the first and second we should according to the sense of our aduersaries beleeue nought els but that which is in the Deuteronomie by the third nothing but that epistle of S. Paul by the last nought els but the Apocalipse See theire madnes and foolery and looke to theire water