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Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
scripture_n	christian_a	faith_n	tradition_n	2,586	5	9.0088	5	false

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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A52855	Plato redivivus, or, A dialogue concerning government wherein, by observations drawn from other kingdoms and states both ancient and modern, an endeavour is used to discover the present politick distemper of our own, with the causes and remedies ...	Neville, Henry, 1620-1694.	1681 (1681)	Wing N515; ESTC R14592	114,821	478

such Original Doct. A worthy beginning of a worthy Race Noble Ven. Sir you maintain a strange Position here That it had been better there had been no Clergy Would you have had no Gospel preached no Sacraments no continuance of Christian Religion in the World or do you think that these things could have been without a Succession of the true Priesthood or as you call it of true Ministry by means of Ordination do's not your own Church hold the same Eng. Gent. You will know more of my Church when I have told you what I find the word Church to signifie in Scripture which is to me the only rule of Faith Worship and Manners neither do I seek these aditional helps of Fathers Councels or Ecclesiastical history much less Tradition for since it is said in the word of God itself That Antichrist did begin to work even in those days I can easily believe that he had brought his Work to some perfection before the word Church was by him applied to the Clergy I shall therefore tell you what I conceive that Church Clergy and Ordination signified in the Apostolical times I find then the word Church in the New Testament taken but in two sences the first for the Vniversal Invisible Church called sometimes of the First-born that is the whole number of the true Followers of Christ in the World where-ever resident or into what part soever dispersed The other signification of Church is an Assembly which though it be sometimes used to express any Meetings even unlawful tumultuous ones as well in Scripture as prophane Authors yet it is more frequently understood for a gathering together to the Duties of Prayer Preaching and Breaking of Bread and the whole Number so Congregated is both in the Acts of the Apostles and in their holy Epistles called the Church nor is there the least colour for appropriating that word to the Pastors and Deacons who since the Corruptions of Christian Religion are called Clergy which word in the Old Testament is used sometimes for Gods whole People and sometimes for the Tribe of Levi out of which the Priests were chosen for the word signifies a Lot so ●● Dispencer of the Christian Faith And I cannot sufficiently admire why our Clergy who very justly refuse to believe the Miracle which is pretended to be wrought in Transubstantiation because they see both the Wafer and the Wine to have the same Substance and the same Accidents after the Priest has mumbled words over those Elements as they had before and yet will believe that the same kind of Spell or Charm in Ordination can have the Efficacy to Metamorphose a poor Lay-Ideot into a Heavenly Creature notwithstanding that we find in them the same humane Nature and the same Necessities of it to which they were subject before such Transformation nay the same Debauch Profanness Ignorance and Disability to preach the Gospel Noble Ven. Sir this discourse is very new to me I must confess I am much inclined to joyn with you in believing that the power Priests Exercise over Mankind with the Iurisdiction they pretend to over Princes and States may be a usurpation but that they should not have a Divine Call to serve at the Altar or that any person can pretend to perform those Sacred Functions without being duly Ordained seems very strange Eng. Gent. I am not now to discourse of Religion it is never very civil to do so in Conversation of persons of a different belief neither can it be of any benefit towards a Roman Catholick for if his Conscience should be never so cleerly convinc'd he is not yet Master of his own Faith having given it up to his Church of whom he must ask leave to be a Convert which he will be sure never to obtain But if you have the Curiosity when you come amongst the learned in your own Country for amongst our Ordination-Mongers there is a great scarcity of Letters and other good Parts you may please to take the Bible which you acknowledg to be the Word of God as well as we and intreat some of them to shew you any passage the plain and genuine sense of which can any way evince this Succession this Ordination or this Priesthood we are now speaking of and when you have done if you will let your own excellent Reason and Discourse judg and not your Priest who is too much concerned in point of Interest I make no doubt but you will be convinced that the pretence to the dispensing of Divine things by virtue of a humane Constitution and so ridiculous a one too as the Ordination practised by your Bishops and ours who descend and succeed from one and the same Mother is as little Justifiable by Scripture and Reason and full as great a Cheat and Vsurpation as the Empire which the Ecclesiasticks pretend to over the Consciences and persons of men and the Exemption from all Secular power Noble Ven. Well Sir though neither my Faith nor my Reason can come up to what you hold yet the Novelty and the grace of this Argument has delighted me extreamly and if that be a Sin as I fear it is I must confess it to my Priest but I ask your pardon first for putting you upon this long Deviation Eng. Gent. Well this Digression is not without its use for it will shorten our business which is grown longer than I thought it would have been for I shall mention the Clergy no more but when-ever I speak of Peerage pray take notice that I mean both Lords Spiritual and Temporal since they stand both upon the same foot of Property But if you please I will fall immediately to discourse of the Government of England and say no more of those of our Neighbours than what will fall in by the way or be hinted to me by your Demands for the time runs away and I know the Doctor must be at home by noon where he gives daily charitable audience to an Infinity of poor people who have need of his help and who send or come for it not having the confidence to send for him since they have nothing to give him though he be very liberal too of his Visits to such where he has any knowledg of them But I spare his Modesty which I see is concerned at the Just Testimony I bear to his Charity The Soveraign Power of England then is in King Lords and Commons The Parliaments as they are now constituted that is the assigning a choice to such a Number of Burroughs as also the manner and form of Elections and Returns did come in as I suppose in the time of Henry the third where now our Statute-Book begins and I must confess I was inclined to believe that before that time our Yeomanry or commonalty had not formally assembled in Parliament but been virtually included and represented by the Peers upon whom they depended but I am fully convinced that it was otherwise by the learned Discourses lately

those Laws is the onely means and hope of their preservation whenever he shall undertake any thing for the increase of his own Power and the depressing his Parliaments Noble Ven. What you say is very undeniable but then the Remedy is very easie and obvious as well as very just and honourable which is the taking away those cruel Laws and if that were done they would be one People with you and would have no necessity and by consequence no desire to engreaten the King against the Interest and Liberty of their own Country Eng. Gent. You speak very well and one of the Reasons amongst many which I have to desire a composure of all our troubles by a setled Government is that I may see these People who are very considerable most of them for Estates Birth and Breeding live quietly under our good Laws and increase our Trade and Wealth with their expences here at home whereas now the severity of our Laws against them makes them spend their Revenues abroad and inrich other Nations with the Stock of England but as long as the State here is so unsetled as it is our Parliaments will never consent to countenance a Party who by the least Favour and Indulgence may make themselves able to bring in their own Religion to be National and so ruine our Polity and Liberties Noble Ven. I wonder why you should think that possible Eng. Gent. First Sir for the Reason we First gave which is the craziness of our Polity there being nothing more certain than that both in the Natural and also the Politick Body any sinister accident that intervenes during a very Diseased habit may bring a dangerous alteration to the Patient An Insurrection in a decayed Government a thing otherwise very inconsiderable has proved very fatal as I knew a slight flesh-wound bring a lusty Man to his Grave in our Wars for that he being extreamly infected with the French Disease could never procure the Orifice to close so although the designs both at home and abroad for altering our Religion would be very little formidable to a well-founded Government yet in such an one as we have now it will require all our care to obviate such Machinations Another Reason is the little Zeal that is left amongst the ordinary Protestants which Zeal uses to be a great Instrument of preserving the Religion establish'd as it did here in Queen Elizabeths time I will add the little Credit the Church of England hath amongst the People most men being almost as angry with that Popery which is left amongst us in Surplices Copes Altars Cringings Bishops Ecclesiastical Courts and the whole Hierarchy besides an Infinite number of Useless Idle Superstitious Ceremonies and the Ignorance and Vitiousness of the Clergy in general as they are with those Dogma's that are abolished So that there is no hopes that Popery can be kept out but by a company of poor People called Fanaticks who are driven into Corners as the First Christians were and who only in truth Conserve the Purity of Christian Religion as it was planted by Christ and his Apostles and is contained in Scripture And this makes almost all sober men believe that the National Clergy besides all other good qualities have this too that they cannot hope to make their Hierarchy subsist long against the Scriptures the hatred of mankind and the Interest of this People but by Introducing the Roman Religion and getting a Foreign Head and Supporter which shall from time to time brave and hector the King and Paliament in their favour and behalf which yet would be of little advantage to them if we had as firm and wise a Government as you have at Venice Another Reason and the greatest why the Romish Religion ought to be very warily provided against at this time is That the Lawful and Undoubted Heir to the Crown if his Majesty should die without Legitimate Issue is more than suspected to Imbrace that Faith which if it should please God to call the King before there be any Remedy applied to our Distracted State would give a great opportunity by the Power he would have in Intervals of Parliament either to Introduce immediately that profession with the help of our Clergy and other English and Foreign Aids or else to make so fair a way for it that a little time would perfect the work ●nd this is the more formidable for that ●a very Zealous and Bigot 〈…〉 and therefore may be supposed to act any thing to that end although it should manifestly appear to be contrary to his own Interest and Quiet so apt are those who give up their Faith and the Conduct of their Lives to Priests who to get to themselves Empire promise them the highest Seats in Heaven if they will sacrifice their Lives Fortunes and Hopes for the Exaltation of their Holy Mother and preventing the Damnation of an innumerable company of Souls which are not yet born to be led away with such Erroneous and wild Fancies Whereas Philip the Second of Spain the House of Guise in France and other great Statesmen have always made their own greatness their first Aim and used their Zeal as an Instrument of that And instead of being cozen'd by Priests have cheated them and made them endeavour to Preach them up to the Empire of the World So I have done with the Growth of Popery and must conclude that if that should be stopt in such manner that there could not be one Papist left in England and yet our Polity left in the same disorder that now afflicts it we should not be one Scruple the better for it nor the more at quiet the Growth and Danger of Popery not being the Cause of our present Distemper but the Effect of it But as a good and setled Government would not be at all the nearer for the destruction of Popery so Popery and all the Dangers and Inconveniences of it would not only be further off but would wholly vanish at the sight of such a Reformation And so we begin at the wrong end when we begin with Religion before we heal our Breaches I will borrow one Similitude more with our Doctor 's favour from his Profession I knew once a man given over by the Physitians of an incurable Cachexia which they said proceeded from the ill Quality of the whole Mass of Blood from great Adustion and from an ill habit of the whole Body The Patient had very often painful Fits of the Chollick which they said proceeded from the sharpness of the humour which caused the Disease and amongst the rest had one Fit which tormented him to that degree that it was not expected he could out-live it yet the Doctors delivered him from it in a small time Notwithstanding soon after the man died of his first Distemper Whereas if their Art had arrived to have cured that which was the Cause of the other the Chollick had vanished of it self and the Patient recovered I need make no