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A04376 A defence of the articles of the Protestants religion in aunsweare to a libell lately cast abroad, intituled Certaine articles, or forcible reasons, discouering the palpable absurdities, and most intricate errours of the Protestantes religion. Barlow, William, d. 1613. 1601 (1601) STC 1449; ESTC S100898 97,357 242

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not_o jew_n they_o be_v swear_v enemy_n against_o the_o truth_n from_o earth_n we_o appeal_v to_o heaven_n sed_fw-la quid_fw-la pulsamus_fw-la ad_fw-la caelum_fw-la but_o why_o stand_v we_o knock_v there_o cum_fw-la habeamus_fw-la hic_fw-la in_o euangelio_fw-la since_o here_o we_o have_v he_o in_o the_o gospel_n where_o if_o we_o knock_v the_o door_n shall_v be_v open_v by_o he_o who_o theophyl_n call_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 80._o the_o porter_n of_o the_o scripture_n and_o so_o for_o that_o point_n we_o conclude_v with_o s._n basil_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d let_v the_o holy_a scripture_n determine_v between_o we_o for_o there_o we_o have_v controversiarum_fw-la 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d the_o devoyement_n &_o dissolution_n of_o all_o controversy_n say_v the_o noble_a emperor_n constantine_n 7._o in_o the_o council_n of_o nice_a for_o in_o god_n matter_n who_o more_o fit_a to_o judge_v then_o god_n himself_o idoneus_fw-la enim_fw-la sibi_fw-la testis_fw-la est_fw-la l'rin●●_n qui_fw-la nisi_fw-la per_fw-la se_fw-la cognitus_fw-la non_fw-la est_fw-la the_o same_o we_o say_v of_o the_o three_o for_o abolish_n heresy_n the_o scripture_n be_v as_o proper_a and_o sufficient_a 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d to_o confound_v a_o heresy_n 1●_n as_o it_o be_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d to_o find_v a_o verity_n for_o which_o cause_n both_o the_o spirit_n and_o the_o word_n be_v compare_v to_o fire_n the_o spirit_n 1._o cor._n 3._o 13_o discern_v between_o straw_n and_o silver_n 2d_o stubble_n and_o gold_n the_o word_n jer._n 23._o disgregans_fw-la heterogenea_fw-la sever_n the_o precious_a from_o the_o vile_a the_o mettle_n from_o dross_n be_v both_o index_n &_o vindex_fw-la the_o discrier_n of_o heresy_n &_o the_o destroyer_n of_o they_o the_o book_n of_o god_n by_o the_o power_n of_o the_o spirit_n be_v as_o david_n sling_n and_o stone_n ●7_n able_a to_o prostrate_a goliath_n and_o repel_v the_o philistine_n &_o therefore_o though_o counsel_n assemble_v 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