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that_o 79._o that_o ibid._n qu._n 3._o c._n 1._o p._n 79._o the_o papist_n will_v have_v only_o the_o bishop_n or_o great_a prelate_n to_o be_v allow_v for_o judge_n and_o the_o presbyter_n or_o inferior_a clergy_n to_o be_v only_a inquisitor_n disputer_n or_o consulter_n to_o give_v counsel_n but_o not_o to_o have_v suffrage_n in_o give_v definitive_a sentence_n this_o be_v the_o opinion_n of_o the_o 15._o the_o bellar._n tom._n 2._o contr._n 1._o de_fw-fr council_n l._n 1._o c._n 15._o romish_a church_n now_o d._n whit._n in_o the_o refutation_n of_o the_o papist_n do_v as_o well_o refute_v the_o brownist_n and_o other_o opposite_n while_o he_o prove_v 3._o prove_v de_fw-fr council_n qu._n 3._o c._n 3._o that_o all_o who_o have_v a_o lawful_a deputation_n and_o calling_n be_v to_o be_v allow_v for_o judge_n and_o not_o for_o counsellor_n only_o and_o that_o their_o suffrage_n be_v not_o only_o for_o consultation_n but_o for_o decision_n as_o be_v hereafter_o show_v more_o at_o 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to_o the_o begin_v glorious_a reformation_n yet_o not_o any_o just_a ground_n of_o prejudice_n against_o it_o x._o remonstr_n conceit_v that_o the_o 26_o prelate_n be_v easy_o responsal_n to_o parliament_n for_o any_o of_o their_o deviation_n from_o the_o rule_n of_o law_n animadv_n 1._o deviation_n that_o be_v 23.15_o be_v 2._o king_n 23.15_o whole_o devious_a be_v not_o at_o all_o responsal_n either_o to_o god_n or_o rational_a man_n such_o a_o deviation_n be_v prelacy_n consider_v as_o prelacy_n in_o the_o sense_n of_o the_o hall_n the_o d._n bilson_n d._n downham_n d._n hall_n rigid_a patron_n of_o it_o ii_o prelate_n have_v not_o be_v easy_o responsal_n to_o parliament_n at_o any_o time_n for_o their_o deviation_n in_o prelacy_n till_o this_o present_a parliament_n iii_o there_o be_v more_o than_o 26_o ordinary_n that_o dispense_v the_o civil_a &_o canon_n law_n viz._n suffragans_n chancellor_n commissary_n archdeacon_n official_o surrogate_v rural_a dean_n subdeane_n etc._n 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themselves_o without_o the_o classis_fw-la but_o if_o by_o government_n to_o be_v practise_v apart_o in_o and_z for_o themselves_o he_o mean_v such_o a_o solitary_a and_o separate_a government_n as_o refuse_v combination_n with_o other_o neighbour_n church_n such_o as_o admit_v no_o liberty_n of_o appeal_n in_o case_n of_o great_a wrong_n such_o as_o except_v a_o particular_a congregation_n from_o the_o censure_n of_o all_o other_o church_n though_o it_o shall_v err_v never_o so_o pernicious_o and_o in_o sum_n such_o a_o government_n apart_o as_o deny_v all_o authority_n and_o jurisdiction_n of_o class_n and_o synod_n then_o be_v his_o assumption_n most_o false_a and_o all_o that_o he_o allege_v for_o proof_n thereof_o help_v he_o nothing_o for_o 1._o though_o the_o angel_n of_o the_o church_n of_o ephesus_n be_v commend_v for_o not_o bear_v with_o the_o wicked_a etc._n etc._n and_o the_o angel_n of_o the_o church_n of_o pergamus_n and_o thyatira_n be_v reprehend_v for_o suffer_v 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repress_v evil_a man_n etc._n etc._n yet_o do_v he_o not_o thereby_o exempt_a those_o church_n from_o the_o censure_n of_o other_o if_o they_o be_v find_v to_o pervert_v the_o word_n corrupt_v the_o sacrament_n and_o judge_v unrighteous_o it_o be_v not_o probable_a that_o such_o a_o conceit_n do_v ever_o enter_v into_o mr_n perkins_n head_n neither_o can_v it_o be_v collect_v from_o his_o word_n arcum_fw-la iv_o if_o the_o church_n of_o corinth_n have_v power_n and_o authority_n within_o herself_o to_o exercise_v ecclesiastical_a government_n yea_o and_o do_v it_o i_o mean_v the_o ministry_n and_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o church_n there_o then_o ought_v not_o particular_a congregation_n now_o to_o stand_v under_o any_o other_o ecclesiastical_a authority_n out_o of_o themselves_o but_o the_o first_o be_v true_a therefore_o the_o second_o the_o first_o part_n be_v unquestionable_o certain_a and_o of_o this_o judgement_n be_v d._n willet_n etc._n etc._n answ._n that_o which_o