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of_o england_n let_v he_o consult_v the_o book_n of_o common-prayer_n and_o particular_o the_o confirmation_n where_o minister_n be_v order_v to_o catechise_v in_o public_a and_o governor_n of_o family_n be_v to_o send_v their_o child_n and_o servant_n to_o be_v catechise_v and_o the_o general_a rule_n in_o the_o close_a be_v that_o none_o shall_v be_v admit_v to_o the_o holy_a communion_n until_o such_o time_n as_o he_o can_v say_v the_o catechism_n here_o you_o have_v a_o evidence_n of_o suspension_n for_o gross_a ignorance_n and_o for_o scandalous_a person_n turn_v to_o the_o communion_n in_o the_o book_n of_o common-prayer_n 1._o they_o be_v dehort_v from_o receive_v in_o these_o word_n therefore_o if_o any_o of_o you_o be_v a_o blasphemer_n etc._n etc._n or_o be_v in_o malice_n envy_n or_o in_o any_o other_o grievous_a crime_n bewail_v your_o sin_n and_o come_v not_o to_o this_o holy_a table_n lest_o after_o the_o receive_n of_o that_o sacrament_n the_o devil_n enter_v into_o 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be_v the_o man_n etc._n etc._n ans_fw-fr 1._o that_o conviction_n they_o may_v have_v by_o presence_n at_o all_o ordinance_n 2_o lie_n a_o scripture_n hue_n and_o cry_n for_o such_o have_v be_v former_o note_v and_o i_o shall_v not_o here_o trouble_v my_o reader_n with_o repetition_n 3_o lie_n for_o any_o to_o profess_v they_o will_v not_o help_v to_o discover_v those_o after_o who_o the_o scripture_n make_v hue_n and_o cry_n argue_v at_o the_o best_a very_o great_a weakness_n and_o be_v in_o effect_n to_o say_v i_o will_v not_o do_v what_o the_o word_n of_o god_n command_v i_o 4_o lie_n for_o his_o reflection_n upon_o divers_a of_o our_o minister_n and_o elder_n let_v mr._n humphrey_n but_o discover_v in_o particular_a those_o who_o he_o charge_v in_o general_a and_o make_v good_a his_o charge_n we_o shall_v thank_v he_o for_o it_o and_o trust_v through_o mercy_n so_o far_o as_o our_o power_n reach_v we_o shall_v not_o
together_o and_o recover_v will_n mr._n h._n say_v the_o nurse_n carelessness_n be_v moral_o good_a because_o it_o be_v eventual_o good_a pilate_n not_o rescue_v of_o christ_n be_v eventual_o good_a be_v it_o therefore_o moral_o good_a in_o like_a manner_n suppose_v a_o godly_a man_n deserve_v excommunication_n receive_v worthy_o his_o worthy_a receive_n be_v accidental_a to_o my_o neglect_n of_o tell_v the_o church_n wherefore_o by_o omission_n of_o that_o my_o duty_n i_o be_o guilty_a as_o if_o he_o have_v receive_v unworthy_o that_o and_o not_o his_o worthy_a receive_v be_v the_o natural_a and_o proper_a fruit_n of_o my_o omission_n yet_o further_o who_o ever_o will_v serious_o weigh_v and_o compare_v the_o supposition_n and_o inference_n may_v observe_v that_o mr._n h._n be_v not_o very_o cordial_a friend_n to_o excommunication_n how_o ever_o he_o may_v cry_v it_o up_o to_o cry_v down_o suspension_n with_o all_o lest_o i_o shall_v seem_v to_o be_v over_o rigid_a i_o must_v add_v that_o if_o this_o godly_a man_n deserve_v excommunication_n for_o some_o foul_a crime_n know_v only_o to_o i_o or_o some_o few_o and_o upon_o reproof_n humble_v himself_o etc._n etc._n i_o dare_v not_o say_v its_o my_o duty_n in_o that_o case_n to_o tell_v the_o church_n since_o the_o principal_a end_n of_o excommunicate_v this_o person_n be_v attain_v by_o private_a reproof_n matth._n 18._o 15._o but_o in_o case_n this_o godly_a man_n do_v obstinate_o persist_v and_o deny_v or_o defend_v the_o crime_n that_o be_v evident_a there_o be_v little_a hope_n that_o in_o such_o a_o condition_n he_o will_v receive_v worthy_o yet_o suppose_v he_o shall_v that_o will_v not_o excuse_v my_o neglect_n to_o tell_v the_o church_n upon_o his_o pertinacy_n after_o admonition_n first_o by_o myself_o and_o then_o with_o two_o or_o three_o more_o according_a to_o the_o rule_n matth._n 18._o 17._o by_o all_o have_v be_v say_v its_o apparent_a my_o sin_n of_o omission_n be_v not_o to_o be_v single_v by_o itself_o as_o mr._n h._n will_v have_v it_o and_o that_o i_o be_o more_o guilty_a if_o that_o godly_a man_n receive_v unworthy_o than_o if_o he_o have_v not_o receive_v at_o all_o since_o my_o tell_v the_o church_n in_o case_n he_o be_v obstinate_a may_v have_v prevent_v his_o great_a sin_n of_o unworthy_a receive_n to_o which_o i_o be_o accessary_a by_o not_o hinder_v it_o when_o i_o may_v and_o shall_v but_o his_o unworthy_a receive_n will_v not_o excuse_v my_o neglect_n to_o tell_v the_o church_n since_o his_o worthy_a receive_n upon_o the_o supposition_n be_v not_o the_o proper_a but_o accidental_a consequent_a of_o that_o my_o neglect_n and_o omission_n to_o what_o mr._n h._n add_v in_o the_o same_o page_n i_o answer_v we_o say_v not_o its_o absolute_o a_o duty_n to_o keep_v from_o the_o sacrament_n person_n visible_o unworthy_a this_o act_n be_v limitable_a by_o several_a caution_n but_o that_o it_o concern_v church-member_n by_o private_a admonition_n or_o tell_v the_o church_n to_o seek_v the_o reformation_n of_o such_o a_o person_n which_o regular_o do_v free_v private_a christian_n from_o guilt_n nor_o be_v there_o the_o same_o reason_n for_o keep_v any_o from_o the_o word_n and_o prayer_n as_o from_o the_o sacrament_n but_o of_o this_o former_o conscience_n as_o in_o some_o case_n excommunication_n itself_o may_v be_v forbear_v of_o which_o former_o in_o the_o parable_n of_o the_o tare_n so_o it_o may_v fall_v out_o in_o the_o matter_n of_o positive_a suspension_n which_o be_v very_o rare_a with_o we_o church-governor_n ordinary_o act_v rather_o by_o way_n of_o entreaty_n to_o forbear_v than_o by_o any_o juridical_a censure_n as_o for_o the_o minister_n suspend_v his_o own_o act_n of_o give_v the_o sacrament_n to_o one_o he_o know_v to_o be_v unworthy_a if_o mr._n h._n judge_v it_o a_o weakness_n in_o such_o a_o minister_n i_o hope_v how_o ever_o he_o will_v not_o force_v a_o weak_a brother_n to_o act_v against_o his_o conscience_n for_o his_o instance_n 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he_o leave_v two_o note_n and_o 1._o where_o i_o say_v his_o excommunication_n be_v a_o cruel_a censure_n as_o cut_v man_n off_o from_o all_o ordinance_n mr._n h._n answer_n i_o be_o persuade_v mr._n d._n will_v be_v of_o another_o mind_n when_o he_o come_v to_o understand_v i_o better_o how_o i_o take_v this_o that_o be_v relative_o wherein_o i_o think_v i_o be_o near_o the_o truth_n answ_n by_o relative_a cut_v off_o from_o church-communion_n in_o general_a mr._n h._n mean_n to_o my_o best_a understanding_n that_o a_o person_n thus_o censure_v have_v no_o relative_a right_n to_o any_o church-ordinance_n yet_o by_o the_o church_n indulgence_n may_v be_v admit_v to_o any_o though_o not_o as_o a_o church-member_n whence_o it_o follow_v that_o he_o who_o be_v no_o church-member_n such_o be_v his_o excommunicate_v person_n may_v by_o the_o church_n indulgence_n be_v admit_v to_o any_o ordinance_n which_o if_o true_a i_o know_v no_o scriptum_fw-la est_fw-la for_o such_o indulgence_n than_o 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so_o it_o be_v not_o notorious_a and_o public_a i_o do_v not_o think_v it_o must_v come_v present_o to_o a_o church-censure_n till_o private_a admonition_n be_v slight_v matth._n 18._o v._n 15_o 16_o 17._o 2._o yet_o that_o may_v possible_o be_v sleight_n to_o some_o which_o be_v very_o foul_a in_o itself_o whether_o you_o respect_v its_o substance_n or_o circumstance_n and_o such_o be_v affect_v ignorance_n 3._o if_o there_o be_v no_o censure_n less_o than_o cast_v out_o of_o the_o church_n than_o belike_o public_a reproof_n be_v no_o church-censure_n sure_o the_o apostle_n be_v not_o of_o mr._n h._n his_o mind_n 1_o tim._n 5._o 20._o 4._o if_o the_o cause_n of_o church-censure_n be_v ordinary_a church-censure_n caeteris_fw-la paribus_fw-la must_v be_v as_o ordinary_a that_o frequency_n make_v they_o contemptible_a be_v too_o true_a through_o our_o innate_a corruption_n which_o incline_v we_o to_o contemn_v christ_n the_o choice_a ordinance_n and_o mercy_n because_o they_o be_v ordinary_a but_o thence_o to_o argue_v it_o be_v better_o such_o mercy_n and_o ordinance_n be_v less_o frequent_a be_v antiscriptural_a and_o irrational_a for_o his_o personal_a reflection_n page_n 267-269_a i_o shall_v only_o say_v thus_o much_o i_o he_o take_v too_o much_o upon_o he_o to_o charge_v i_o so_o high_o especial_o with_o malice_n i_o confess_v i_o hare_n his_o free_a admission_n but_o love_v his_o person_n 2._o what_o i_o speak_v in_o thesi_fw-la and_o still_o apprehend_v to_o be_v a_o truth_n he_o first_o apply_v in_o hypothesi_fw-la and_o then_o exaggerate_v to_o make_v it_o seem_v more_o odious_a 3._o have_v i_o apply_v it_o personal_o to_o mr._n h._n i_o only_o note_v what_o god_n may_v just_o do_v as_o himself_o confess_v p._n 268._o and_o withal_o acknowledge_v as_o much_o against_o myself_o that_o god_n just_o may_v deal_v with_o i_o as_o a_o weed_n for_o cherish_v and_o