for which he citeth many scriptures 3. Thirdly our aduersaries do yet further confesse and the nature of the thing proueth it for otherwise they were no true Pastors that these Churches Pastors at the least some of them shall (p) Mr. Fulke in his answere to a â—ounterfaite Catholicke page 11 initio 92 ante med alwaies resist all false opinion euen with open reprehension and that (q) Mr. Deering vbi supra in c. 2. vers 12. lect 10 circa med c. 3 lect 12. fine the religion beiâ—g of God no feare of man shall keepe them backe because as Mr. Deering saith hereof (r) mr Deering ibid. that were to keepe the honour of God for corners and sol tary places for as the Apostle prescribeth (*) Rom. 10 10. with thâ— harte a man beleeueth vnto righteousnes and with the mouth confesseth to saluation Concerning now the continued administration of SacrameÌ„ts 1. First the scriptures affirme that we are therby to (s) 1. Cor. 11 26. shew the Lords death till he come 2. Secondly our puritane aduersaries do acknowledge and accordingly teach that there must be (t) Beza in his sermons vpon the Canticles englished page 79. 80. Pastors and Doctors to the end of the world for the administration of the Word and Sacraments that therfore (v) Mr. Bancroft in the suruey of the holy pretended discipline page 440 post medium the ministrie of the Worde and Sacraments are in absolute degree of necessitie to saluation with whom our other Protestant aduersaries do agree Mr. Whitaker saying to this end of the administration of the Word and Sacraments that (x) Mr. Whitaker contra Duraeum l. 3. pag. 249 ante med saith Sâ— adsunt Ecclesiam constituunt tollunt si auferantur being present they do constitute a Church and being absent doe subuert it and Mr. D. Wilâ—et likewise saith of them (y) Mr. Willet in his synopsis page 71 fine these markes cannot be absâ—nt from the Church and it is no longer a true Church then it hath these markes for as he further saith (z) Mr. Willet vbi supra page 69 finc the onely absence of them doth make a nulletie of the Church with whom herein the Lutheranes also (a) Lobechius a Lutherane Doctor and publique Professor in the vniuersitie of Rostoche in disput theologic pag. 213. sect 44. affirmeth of these and of the Church that tam areto indistolubili nexu inter se copulata sunt vt in coetu vocatorum alterum sine altero esse non possit negato vno alterum quoque negare necesse sit do agree 3. Thirdly our aduersaries do yet further hereupon affirme of these that (b) Mr Whitaker contra Duraeum l. 3. page 260. saith Sunt Ecclesiae proprietates essentiales And see mr Whitgifte in his defence c. page 81. ante med and see mr D. Couell in his examination c. page 21. ante med page 5. fine they are essentiall notes of the Church and that (c) Hiperius in method theolog page 548 ante med page 532. prope finem And Amandus Polâ—nus in partition theolog page 304. ante med these notes are needfull to distinguish the true Church from the false that men carefull of their saluation may know where the true Church is and to which company cheifly thâ—y ought to adioyne them selues And thâ—t therefore the Church militant is in some sorte euermore to remaine not poore or slender in paucetie of professors but rich and plentifull (*) Caelius secundus Curio writt a wholle booke hereof entituled de amplitudine regni Dei wherein read him lib. 1. page 1. 5. 14. 24. l. 2. page 135. 148 167 183 232 233 243 246. c. And he answereth the common obiections vrged to the contrarie l. 1 page 96. 97 100 106 108 115 117 120 128 131. neither obscure or latent but like to (¶) Math. 5 15. Esa 2 2. Concerning the answerable exposition of which textes see D. Humfrey hereafter page 84. in the margent vnder the letter e. And S. Austin tom 6. contra faustuÌ„ Manich. l. 13. c. 13. saith Propter hos enim motus paruuloâ—um qui possint seduci ab hominibus a manifestatione claritatis Ecclesiae Dominus quoque prouidens ait non potest Ciuitas abscondi supra monteÌ„ constituta And tom 7. contra liter Petil. l. 2. c. 32. he further saith Hinc fit vt Ecclesia vera neminem lateat vnde est illud quod in Euangelio ipse dicit non potest Ciuitas abscondi supra montem constituta ideoque in eodem psalmo connectitur In sole posuit tabernaculum suum id est in manifestatione a Citie placed vpon a hill that cannot be hid knowen and (d) Bartholomeus Keckermanus in sistem theolog page 408. initio saith Noui testam Ecclesiae ratione notarum formae externae semper debet esse sensibilis seu conspicua vt nimirum reliquae gentes quae adhuc extra Ecclesiam sunt scire possint cuinam Ecclesiae sese debeant agregare id quod de ecclesia noui testam Esa c. 61. ab initio magnificis verbis predixit And Hiperius in method theolog page 552. prope finem saith Profectò nisi signa haec extarent ac vera ecclesia sensibus deprehenderetur qui scire possit homo cumam caetui salutis consequendae ergô adherendum sioi foret And Peter Marter in his epistâ—es annexed to his common places in English page 153. a. circa medium reporting certaine pointes wherein he professeth to agree with vs Catholickes saith We also doe not appoint an inuisible Church but doe define Congregations vnto which the faithfull may know that they may safely adioyne them selues affirming further a little there before that this opinion is saieth he Common with vs to Catholickes conspicuouse a truth so euident that they doubt not thereupon to affirme and teach out of the scriptures (e) Mr. Henoch Clapham in his soueraigne remedie against schisme p. 18. after many proofes alleaged by him from the scriptures and otherwise concludeth saying Not onely all auncientes euer holde the Churches euer visibilitie but also all learned men of our age In like full maner is the Churches visibilitie affirmed from the scriptures as well by Melancthon in loc comun edit 1561. c. de Ecclesia in prefat lib. corp doctrinae Christianae in Ecclesijs Saxon. mismicis electoris Saxon. impress Lipsiae Anno 1561. And in Concil theolog part 1. page 512. part 2. pag. 201. 394. As also by D. Humfrey in Iesuitismi part 2. rat 3. page 240. where he saith Declaratum est nos Ecclesiam non in aere ollocare sed in terra nos Ecclesiam confiteri esse opidum supra montem positum quod abscondi non pâ—test Math. 5. montem excelsum domus Dei cunctis collibus editiorem ad quem omnes gentes confluent Esa 2.
c. Cur ergo anxie curiose probant quod est a nobis nunquam negatum c. And ibidem page 241. initio he saith Visibilis est propter exercitia pietatis quae videntur ab omnibus in Ecclesia nam dum ministri docent alij discunt illi sacramenta administrant hij communicant c. qui ista non videt talpa est caecior visibilis est quia notae sunt insignes conspicuae c. and page 242. initio he saith non enim clancularij seâ—essus c. conuocationes sunt Christianae and page 281 fine he affirmeth concerning the Church militant which is the onely pointe in question â—portere Ecclesiam esse conspicuam conclusionem esse clarissimam the Churches euer visibilitie condemning the contrarie opinion of the Churches pretended Latencie or inuisibilitie for a monstrouse (f) Melancthon in Concil theolog part 2. saith necesse est fateri esse visibilem Ecclesiam c. quo spectat haec portentosa oratio qua negat esse vllam visibilem Ecclesiam page 393. fine 394 initio assertion (g) Mr. Henoch Clapham in his soueraigne remedie against schisme page 17 ante medium saith Contrary to all scriptures they do affirme that there hath bene no visibilitie of the Church for former hundreth of yeeres whiâ—h position is against Psalm 72 3 17. Esa 59 21. contrary to all scriptures against which our Sauiour did as they thinke specially forewarne vs saying (2) Math. 24 23. whereupon mr Hâ—noch Clapham in his soueraigne remedie against schisme page 23. post med saith Our Sauiour forbides going out vnto such desert and corner ghospels Math. 24 23 24 26. and S. Austine tom 4. quaest euang l. 1. quaest 38. saith accordingly Constituta ergo authoritate Ecclesiae per orbem terrarum clara atque manifesta consequenter discipulos admonet qui in eum credere voluerint ne schismaticis atque hereticis credant vnumquodque enim schisma vnaquaeque heresis aut locum suum habet in orbe terrarum partem aliquam retinens aut obscuris atque occultis conuenticulis curiositatem hominum decipit Ad quod pertinet quod ait si quis vobis dixerit Ecce hic est Christus aut illic quod significat terrarum partes Prouinciarum Aut in penetralibus aut in deserto quod significat obscura occulta conuenticula haereticorum c. And see him further contra Faustum Manich. l. 13. c. 13. If therfore they shall say vnto you Beholde he is in the deserte go you not forth Beholde he is in secrete places beleeue it not In so much as they also affirme the visible dispersion therof euen for that (3) Reuelat. 12 12 17 10. 20 3. short time during which she is foretould (4) Reuelat. 12 6. to flee into wildernes by reason of Antichrists persecution to which end Mr. Fulke though most precise in this behalfe is yet enforced to confesse that (5) Mr. Doct. Fulke against the Rhemishe Testament in 2. Thessa 2. sect 5. fol. 354. b. fine the true Church thâ—â—gh obscure and driuen into wildâ—rnes by Antichrist yet still continued dispersed ouer the world and that (6) Mr. Fulke ibid. fol. 355. a. initio to this like effecte see Mr. Whitaker in his answere to master Rainoldes preface pag. 34 37. mr Foxe in Apoc. page 349. post medium in the time of Antichrist it was not driuen into any corner of the world but was is and shall be alwaies dispersed in many nations and that not obscure but as Bullenger saith (*) Bullenger vpon the Apocalips fol. 200. a. fine b. initio see the words of Bullenger hereafter in the margent at the figure 3. tract 2. c. 2 sect 11. right famous which pointe the text it selfe doth also most inuincibly argue for as it affirmeth that the womans flight into wildernes must continue (7) Reuelat. 12 6 1260 dayes so likewise it affirmeth that the preaching of the Word must as then continue in like maner during euen the same terme of 1260. dayes (8) Reuelat. 11 3. and must so be as generall as the persecution a matter so vndoubted that Szegedine saith hereupon (9) Szegedinus in tabul Analatic page 368 circa medium the ministers of Gods word shall preach all the time in which Antichrist shall tread vnder foote the holy Cittie And Mr. Gifford saith likewise (10) Mr. Gifford vpon the reuelations serm 21. page 191. fine these two witnesses are not to be taken for two and no moe but for all those which were raised vp to impugne Antichrist and that they should prophecie during all the time of Antichrists reigne In like testimonie wherof the other (11) See Mr. Fulke against the Rhemishe Testament fol. 475. b. sect 4. and Bullenger vpon the Apocalipes in c. 11. fol. 142. b. post medium Protestant writers are very plentifull THAT PROTESTANTS TO PROVE THE answerable performance therof for former ages in their Church do alleage promiscuously both Catholicks knowne Heretickes as members of their Church SECT 2. THIS continued visible administration of the Word Sacraments being the confessed sense of the scriptures and without which the true Church cannot be we will now examine somewhat concerning the answerable performance therof In which point when we prouoke our aduersaries there is nothing more vsuall with them then for theire owne defence in this behalfe to search out in the examples of former times for all such whatsoeuer as may be said though often falsely in any sorte to haue impugned the Pope but so much as in any one pointe either of manners or doctrine And although they were otherwise neuer so different from Protestâ—nts yet are they in these straites promiscuously registred by our aduersaries in the Catallog of the Doctors of their Church In this sorte are named (*) See hereafter tract 2. c. 2. sect 7. in the margent there at the figure 2. concerning Ioannes de Rupe Scissa and Willm de S. Amore and see coÌ„cerning Peter Bloix claimed by Mr. Gabriell Powell in his consideration c. pa. 52. initio Osiander incentur 12. page 281. post med where he saith Petrus Blesensis c. Pricipum Prelatorum religiosorum priuatorum peccata grauiter arguit c. non tamen Pontificios errores refutauit was this man then a Protestant Ioannes de rupe Scissa Willielmus de S. Amore and Peter Bloix for theiâ— onely reprouing the life maners of the Cleargie for this onely cause also are named (¶) Concerning Willm Occam read act mon. printed 1596. page 358. a sin 88. b. line 40. and of Scotus see Foxe ibid. page 130. b. line 8. Osiander cent 9. page 44. and of Ioannes Gaudauensis read Foxe vbi supra page 358. 2. line 88. William Occam Iohn Scotus and Iohn Gaudauensis In like vniust maner is named (h) By Mr. Sparke in his answere to Mr. Iohn d'
that Priests onely were wanting which she perfited by perswading the King to send to the Emperour of Râ—me for some Doctor c. Whervpon a certaine worthy man was made Bishope and sent to preach to the nation of the Iberianes Thendoret hist l. 1. c. 24. versus finem See also the former example of Frumentius answered in this sorte by D. Sarauia in defens tract c. contra respons Bezae c. 1. page 46. ante medium and impertinent If now our Catholicke Church be a true Church able to conferre this calling so by her (*) Whittaker contra Duraeum l. 9. page 820. saith hereof to Duraeus Fuit Lutherus vestro etiam ritu Presbiter atque Doctor c talem fuisse Suinglium Bucerum OecolampadiuÌ„ aliosque innumerabiles constat c. And see Ioannes Regius in libro Apologetico c. page 122. ante med page 121. giuen to Husse Wicliffe c. and that it was sufficient to them why then do our aduersaries so greeuously accuse maligne our said Church for false and Antichristian And if according to their doctrine the Pope be Antichrist and our Church Antichristian then followeth necessarily that which them selues therupon say namely that (d) Propositions and Principles disputed in the Vniuersitie of Geneua page 245. circa med And Mr. Gabriell Powell in his consideration of the Papistes reasons c. page 71. saith the Popish ordination is nothing els but meere prophanation c. there is no true Ecclesiasticall vocatioÌ„ in the Papacie c. And see further hereof mr Sutliffe in his answere to the Masse Priestes supplication to the 19. section And Mr. Fulke in his answere to a counterfeite Catholicke page 50. circa med saith to vs you are highly deceiued if you thinke we esteeme your offices of Bishops Priestes and Deacons any better then Lay men and you presume to much to thinke that we receiue your ordering to be lawfull And page 51. ante med he answereth giueth reason why he alloweth our Baptisme though not our orders And see Mr. Whitaker contra Duraeum l. 9. page 821. initio there is in Babilon thereby meaning our Church no holy Order or ministrie in deed no lawfull calling but a meerâ— vsurpation Fâ—r it must needs to all men seeme absurd that Châ—ists Ministers shouâ—d receiue then spirituall power and Comission from Antichrist and then also not onely Waldo the â—ay man and all those who discended from him which is heretofore (e) heretofore tract 2. c. 2 sect 3. prope initium in them made most euident but likewise euen Husse Wicliffe and Luâ—her him selfe who had no other calling but from our Church and so many other as haue afterwards claimed vnder them are destitute hitherto of all lawfull calling (f) The Protestant Lascius in proofe hereof alledgeth in the booke entituled de Russorum Muscouâ—tarum Tartararum religione page 23. Caluine saying quia Papae Tirannide abrupta fuit vera ordinationis series nouo subsidio nunc opus est c. atque omnimò extraoâ—dinarium fuit hoc munus quod Dominus nobis iniunxit c. so say they fleeing to extraordinarie calling And Beza in the Conference at Poyssie being demaunded of the calling of him selfe and his other then associates affirmed the same to be extraordinarie Hereof reade Sarauâ—a in defens tract contra respon Bezae page 59. fine 60. post medium 74. fine the true succession of ordination being as our aduersaries therupon affirme then broken of which needfull continuance of personall succession or calling seemeth furthermore so manifestly defectiue or wanting in the Protestants Church that euen sundry of themselues who as Sadell complaineth therat (g) Anthonie Sadell in his booke entituled de rebus grauissimis controuersis disputationes theologicae page 719. ante med saith hereof hoc ipsa rei veritas ab illis obtinuit veram atque expresso Dei verbo fundatam esse eam doctrinam quam ecclesiae nostrae amplexae sunt sed affirmaÌ„t ministros esse apud nos legitima vocatione destitutos cum non habeaÌ„t perpetuam ac visibilem ab Apostolis ad haec vsque tempora successionem c. acknowledge the doctrine which their Church doth embrace to be true and grounded vpon the expresse word of God do yet affirme the ministers with them to be destitute of lawfull calling c. In which opinion they are so resolute that Sadell did therefore write a speciall (h) The title of that treatise is de legitima vocatione Pastorum Ecclesiae reformatae aduersus eos qui in hoc tantum capite se ab Ecclesia reformata dissentire profitentur and beginneth page 719. of the booke aboue alledged treatise therof against them And thus much briefly whether Waldo Wicliffe Husse and Luther had suficient calling or not to administer the Protestant Churches word and sacrameÌ„ts which if they had not theÌ„ admitting that we should for the time suppose them to haue bene full Protestantes in opinioÌ„ and also neuer to haue bene reuolted Catholicks but origâ—nally professors of the Protestants Doctrine yet all thâ—s notwithstanding there appeareth by reason of their foresaid alledged onely want of true ordination a conâ—essed and vnanswerable defecte or downefall for so many hundreth yeares last past of theire Churches administration of the word and sacrameÌ„ts without which as them selues haue (i) See heretofore tract 2. c. 2. sect 1. at x. y. z. heretofore confessed froÌ„ the scriptures it were no Church THAT THE EXAMPLES OF BERTRAM Berengarius others who liued before Waldo are also insufficient to answere in this behalfe for their times SECT 7. HAVING spoken thus fully of Waldo Wycliffe and Husse in whom remained our aduersairies greatest confidence it shal be lesse needfull to make this point more manifest as yet in the other seuerall ages precedent to theire times as well for that thus much onely may suffice as haue bene already said of the Protestants foresaide defection though but during the seuerall times or ages of Waldo Wycliffe Husse or any of them concerning their Churches then euident want of administration of the worde and Sacraments which acording to their former (*) See heretofore tract 2. c. 2. sect 1. at t. v. and ibid. x. y. z. b. c. confessioÌ„ must euermore continue and be in the true Church as also for that their like manifest defect euen also in those other precedent ages is by our learned aduersaries no lesse theÌ„ very plainely acknowledged To ad yet somwhat to that which hath bene (k) See heretofore tract 2. c. 1. sect 4. heretofore most fullie confessed in that behalfe the other learned Protestants such as are more wary and sparing what to saie or write thereof do acknowledge that (l) Mr. Fulke in his answere to a counterfait Catholicke page 36. prope initium and Mr. Gabriel Powell in his Consideration of the Papistes reasons c. page 105. fine saieth I graunt that from the yeare
writinge and certaine by Tradition with whom agreeth S. Basill saying (5) Basil de Spir. Sanct. cap. 27. some thing we haue from scripture other things from the Apostles Tradition c. both which hath like force vnto Christian Religion Mr. D. Rainoldes answering to these foresaid sayings of Basill and Chrisostome saith (6) D. Rainoldes in his Conclusions annexed to his conference the 1. conclusion pag. 689. I take not vpon me to controule them but let the Church Iudge if they considered with aduice enough c. Whereunto might be added the like confessed (7) Where Eusebius l. 1 demonstr Euang. c. 8 is obiected to say that the Apostles published their doctrine Partly by writing partly without writing as it were by a certaine vnwritten law Mr. Whittaker de sacra scriptura pag. 668 fine saith therto I answere that this testimonie is plaine enough but in no sorte to be receaued because it is against the Scriptures testimonie from Eusebius And thus much breifly concerning the Fathers of the Greeke Church Now as concerning the like confessed Doctrine in the Fathers of the LATTIN Church to avoide tediousnes S. Austine only as being most (*) Gomarus in speculo verae ecclesiae c. pag. 96 ante mediu saith Augustinus Patrum omnium communi sententia purissimus habetur approued by our aduersaries shall serue for all who labouring to proue that those who are Baptized by heretickes shoulde not be Rebaptized saith (8) Aug. de Bap. contra Don. l. 5. c. 23 the Apostles commaunded nothinge hereof but that custome which was opposed herein against Ciprian is to be beleeued to proceede from their Tradition as many things be which the wholle Church houldeth and are therefore well beleeued to be commaunded of the Apostles although they bee not written Wherein and (9) See the like saying in Austine epist 118 ad Ianuarium other his like sayings his meaning is so euident and confessed that Mr. Carthwright speaking thereof sayth (10) See Mr. Carthwrite in mr Whitgifts defence c. p. 103 ante med to allowe St. Austines saying is to bringâ— in Poperie againe and that (11) See Mr. Carthwrites wordes alleaged vbi supra if S. Austines Iudgement be a good Iudgment then there be some things commaunded of God which are not in the scriptures and there-upon no sufficient Doctrine conteined in the scriptures Add but now hereunto that (12) See Chemnitius examen part 1. pag. 87. 89 90. Chemnitius reporteth for their like testimonie of vnwritten Traditions Clemens Alexandrinus Origen Epiphanius Ambrose Hierome Maximus Theophilus Basill Damascene c. That M. Fulke (13) See mr Fulke against Purgatory pa. 362 ante med 303 397 and against Martiall pag. 170. 178. and against Bristowes motiues p. 35 36. also confesseth as much of Chrisostomâ— Tertulian Ciprian Augustine Hierome c. that lastly Mr. Whitaker (14) See master Whitaker de sacra scriptura pag. 678. 681. 683. 685. 690. 695. 696. 670 668. acknowledgeth the like of Chrisostome Epiphanius Tertulian Ciprian Augustine Innocentius Leo Basill Eusebius Damascene c. Now as concerning Ceremonies Mr. Calfehill to omitte others affirmeth that (15) Hereof see Mr. Fulkes reioinder to Martialls Replie printed 1580. pa. 131 fine 132 initio the Fathers declined all from the simplicitie of the Gospell in ceremonies 13 Thirtenthly it is confessed yet further in generall concerning Dionisius Artopagitta and Hermes who are houlden most auncient Apostolike (¶) Of Dionisius mention is made act 17 34. and of Hermes rom 16 14. namely that Dionisius in his fore-saide writinges which were aboue a thousand yeares since as D. Humfrie (â‹) Humfreid in Iesuitismi part 2. rat 5 pag. 513 fine 514 initio saith Hunc Arcopagitam Suidas Michaell Singelus Gregorius Turonensis alij Pauli auditorem credunt fuisse illum scriptorem caelestis et ecclesiasticae Hierarchiae And see before Sect 3. n. 4. lit .o. confesseth publickely extant and alleadged vnder his name doth casually and obiter amonge other thinges make mention ouer and besides the foresaide Doctrine of praier for the dead (t) Hamelmanus de traditionibus apostolicis col 707 line 27 col 736 line 56 and master Whitaker de sacra scriptura pag. 655 ante med of Apostolicke vnwritten Traditions of (u) Hamelmanus vbi supra col 707. l. 4 col 732 l. 51 Chrisme (x) Hamelmanus vbi supra col 707. l. 49 col 743 l. 4 Consecration of Moncks (y) Humfreid in Iesuitismi par 2 pag. 519 circamed â—nd Luther tom 2 Witeberg Anno 1562 de captiu Babil fol. 84. b. ante med Sixe of our Sacraments that the booke of Hermes entituled Pastor affordeth in like manner testimonie or grounde worke of (z) Abraham Scultetus in medulla theolog c. pag. 467 post med freewill and monasticall solitude of (a) Hamelmanus de trad apost col 252 fine col 253 initio col 254 line 38 and Abraham Scultetus vbi supra pag. 467 post med Puâ—gatorie and praier for the dead of (b) Hamelmanus vbi supra col 253 l. 54 col 254 l. 49 Merite and Iustification of workes of Professed Chastitie (c) Hamelmanus vbi supra col 251 line 48 col 254 l. 30 in ministers of (d) Hamelmanus vbi supra col 254 l. 36 Fasting from certaine meates of (e) ibidem col 253 line 46 the Innocent parties remainnig vnmaried in case of adultrie of (f) Chemnitius examen concil Trident. part pag. 127 a prope finem workes of superogation and of (g) Hamelmanus vbi supra col 254 l. 53 saith Furtigitur bonum papismi initium impurus ille liber pastoris vel Heremitis Poperie And though in the primatiue Church some question (h) Vide Eusebium hist l. 3 â— 3 prope finem was made of this booke as whether it were Canonicall scripture or not many Fathers (i) It was thought to be sacred and for such alleaged by Origen lib. 10 in epist ad Rom. Tertulian l. de oratione Clemens Alex. l. 6 stromat Athanasius in libro de decretis Nicen Synod Cassianus collat 13. c. 12 and by Ireneus l. 4 c. 37. thinking that it was yet is it confessed to haue ben receaued at the least for (k) Hamelmanus vbi supra col 254 line 24 saith illum pro ecclesiastico habuerunt quidem Patrâ—s and col 730 line 25 he saith Hermetis libellus qui dicitur Pastor est olim aliquando in numerum ecclesiasticorum librorum relatus In so much as Eusebius hist l. 3 c. 3. Ruffinus in Simbolum Hierom in catul do commeÌ„d this booke for profitable and so Mr. Whitaker de sacra scriptura p. 93 fine confesseth of Hierome Ecclesiasticall and the authoritie thereof to haue bene so many ages since specially alleadged (l) Hamelmanus vbi supra col 253 line 10 saith
quosdam pontificios trucidarunt denique multa designarunt quae Hussus si in viuis adhuc fuâ—sset minime approbasset c. rebellion against their Soueraigne with the vnfitting title of (r) act mon. pag. 258. a. initio the ghospells increase THAT THOVGH VVALDO WICLIFFE and Husse had bene Protestantes yet theire examples are insufficient in this case SECT 6. HITHERTO we haue proceeded that neither Waldo Wicliffe nor Husse were of the Protestants Church and that therefore theire examples are impertinently alledged onely now we will suppose for the time that they had bene all of them full Protestants in opinion and withall yet appeall to your MAIESTIES learned iudgmeÌ„t whether their foâ—esaide examples be not altogether insufficient to proue a continuance of their Churches administration of the Word and Sacraments but so much as for those only times in which they liued and that for two speciall important reasons As 1 First in that neither they all nor so much as any one of them were before their first appearing members and professors of the said supposed Protestants Church and faith but were as appeareth by the premisses all of them originally professed and knowne Catholikes as in like maner were Arius Macedonius Nestorius Pelagius Eutiches and the other ould Sectmasters before their times who all being first Catholickes through Innouation afterwardes and noueltie of opinion (s) 1. Iohn 2 19. act 15 24. went out from vs the very brand or character wherwith the holy scriptures Protestants (t) Mr. Alison in his confutatioÌ„ of Brownism pag. 1. initio them selues doe note false teachers And therfore the foresaid example of Waldo Wicliffe and Hâ—sse who before their first appearing were Catholickes supposing they were afterwardes Protestants proueth in steed of continuance rather a manifest defection and not being of their Churches administration of the Word Sacraments at and imediately before the first begining of euery of them 2 Secondly as Luther saith (v) Luther vpon the epistle to the Galathianes englished in c. 1. fol. 10. b ante medium It is not enough for a man to haue the word and puritie of doctrine but al o he must be assured of his calling and he that entreth without this certainely entreth to no other end but to kill c. to which purpose the scripture saith (2) Rom. 10 15. How shall they preach except they be sent (3) Hebr. 5 4 No man taketh to him the honour of Priesâ—hood but he that is called of God as Aaron was (4) Iohn 10 1 Who so entereth not by the dore into the sheepfolde but climeth an other way is a theefe And for so much as the refuge of pretended extraordinary calling hath bene heretofore (x) See heretofore tract 2. c. 2. sect 3 in the margent there at the letter z. and in the margent at the letter a. sufficiently discouered and reiected by learned Protestants Lutheranes and Puritanes the Churches ordinarie calling by man being as the auncient Fathers (*) Ciprian l. de simplicitate Prelatorum condemneth such as want the Churâ—hes calling saying Iâ— sunt qui se vltio apud temerarios conuenas sine diuina dispositione praesiciunt qui se praepositos sine vlla ordinationis lege constituunt qui nemine episcopatum dante Episcopi nomen sibi assumunt And Ciprian l. 1. ep 6. ad Magnum sayeth of Nouatianus Nouatianus in Ecclesia non est nec Episcopus computari potest qui Euangelica Apostolica traditione contempta nemini succedens a seipso ordinatus est habere namque aut tenere Ecclesiam nullo modo potest qui ordinatus in ecclesia non est and a litle afterwardes nemini succedens a seipso incipiens alienus fit prophanus Vpon this ground Tertulian in libro de prescrip vrgeth the Hereticks of his time saying Edant origines ecclesiarum suarum euoluant ordinem Episcoporum suoruÌ„ ita per successionem c. And Optatus l. 2. contra Parmen vrgeth in like maner the Donatisies saying Vestrae Cathedrae vos originem ostendite qui vobis vultis sanctam ecclesiam vindicare mistus est Victor ex Africa Romam erat ibi filius sine patre sequens sine Antecedente And St. Austine ex quaest in nouo vet Test quest 100. saith of Heretickes Ordinem ab Apostolo Petro caeptum vsque hoc tempus per traducem succedentium Episcoporum seruatum perturbant ordinem sibi sine origine vendicantes c. and them selues (y) Luther vpon the epistle to the Galathianes fol. 10. a. circa med saith God calleth vs at this day to the ministerie of his word not imediately him selfe but by man And Piscator volum 1 thesium theolog pag. 405. circa med saith Post tempora autem Apostolorum vocauit adhuc vocat ad finem vsque mundi vocaturus est Pastores Doctores Presbiteros per Ecclesiam c. And see D. Couel in his defence of Mr. Hooker page 86. fine 87. initio and in his examination c. page 131. fine 106 initio do yet further confesse the established course of the new Testament without which no man may vndertake the publique charge and administration of the word and sacraments To which end the now Lord Bishop of Winchester affirmeth that (z) Mr. Bilson in his perpetuall gouernment of Christs Church c. 9. pag. 111. ante medium the moderation of the keies and imposition of handes were at first setled in the Apostles and that they can haue no part of Apostolike Comission that haue no shew of Apostolicke succession c. and therfore that (a) Ibid. page 111 post med and see the like in Mr. D. Couel in his examination page 97. circa med 106 initio Pastors do receaue by succession the power and charge of the Word and Sacraments from and in the first Apostles against all which the vulgar obiections which some precisians vrge contrarie to scriptures and so many of their owne writers of (b) Obiected by master Fulke against the Rhemish Testament in Rom. c. 10 fol. 255. a. paulo post me Aedesius and Frumentius two lay persons Conuerting a great nation of the Indianes and of a captiue woman conuerting the nation of the Iberianes and grossely mistaken (c) Mistaken and impertinent for though it be reported that Aedesius and Frumentius did by priuate exhortation perswade the people of that Nation to the Christian faith a thing which Laye persons may do yet is there no mention that either of them did vndertake the administration of the Word and Sacraments vntill such time as Frumentius went to Alexandria to Athanasius who gaue to him the holy function of a Bishop Theodoret after Christofersons translation hist l. 1. c. 23. wherewith he returned to the said nation and so proceeded to their conuersion In like maner it is not said that the captiue woman did vndertake the administration of the word and sacraments but
Romano Pontifice cap. 29. vesus finem it is lawfuâ—l to resist the Pope invading the bodie or troubling the common wealth it is lawfull I say saith he to resist him by no doing that which he commaunâ—eth and by letting or hindring him that hee execute not his will wherevnto might be added as well the late (4) See this at large in the civill warres of France in English collected by Anthony Collâ—net from An. 1585. till 1591. printed at London 1591. lib. 7. 8. examples yet fresh in memorie of the Catholickes of Fraunce who not onely acknowledged but also assisted and ayded this their present King notwithstanding his then knowne diversitâ— of religion or any former excommunication hâ—d froÌ„ the Popes As also the King of Spaines no lesse knoâ—ne detayning even to this day of Naples against the Pope notwithstaÌ„ding the Popes yearely clayming of it â—n the right of his See And thus much briefely coÌ„cerning such forraine examples as are alledged and acknowledged by our owne adversaries Onely wee thâ—nke this one point further worthie of observation That whereas it is manifest and confessed that sundrie Catholike Princes haue beene by their Protestant subiects actuallie deposed as your Highnes late Mother froÌ„ her kingdâ—me of Scotland which we referre to your Maiestâ—es owne more feeling (*) Howe they vsed that poore Ladie my mother is not vnknowne and with griefe I may remember it who desired onely a private Chappell wherin to serue God after her manner with some fewe selected persons but could not obteine it at their hands in the summe of the Conference before his Maiestie betweene the Bishops other of his Clergie printed 1584. pag 81. fine 82 initio testimonie the temporall Lord of Geneua from his territories there to forbeare the examples of the Lowe Countries the King (â‹) Hereof see heretofore tract 3. sect 2. in the margent at the letter c. of Suethland restrained as before to his private Catholike service â—n his owne Chappell we finde not yet on the other parte that so much as any one ProtestaÌ„t Prince was â—t any tâ—me deposed by his Catholike subiects so different â—re the spirits of Catholikes and Protesâ—ants yet is it evâ—deÌ„t that Protestâ—nts hâ—ue received their câ—â—efest beginning increase and strength by the onely favouâ— tolleâ—ation of their Catâ—olike Princes A PROTESTATION OF THE now English Catholickes SECT 5. AS concerning our selues we hould that the authoritie giuen by God to Kings is imediate absoâ—ute and ndependant and wee doe acknowledge from the Scripâ—ures that as (d) Rom. 13 1. there is no power but from God so likewise that vnto (e) Wisdom 6 3. King rule is giuen by the Lord and powâ—r by hâ— most High that (f) Prov. 8 15. by him Kings doe reigne as being (g) Rom. 13 4 6. his minister and that (h) Rom. 13 2. whosoâ—vâ—r râ—sisteâ—h them dâ— h withall resist he ordinance of God Hen e it is that we are commaunded to (i) Math. 22 21. Rom. 13 7. reÌ„der vnto Caesar the tribute of oâ—r obedience to be (k) 1. Pet. 2 13. subiect to the king as hauing preeminence to (l) Prov. 24 21. â—eare (m) 1. Pet. 21 17. honor him (n) Exod. 22 28. Act. 13 5. not to speake evâ—lâ— of him no not so much as in our (o) Eccles 10 20. thought to imagine his hurte but to bee (p) Rom. 13 5. subiect of ne essitiâ— and even for conscâ—ence sake Least that by our disobedience wee (q) Rom. 13 2. purchase to our selues domnation In so much as we doubte not further to affirme with our brethren the Rhemistes that (r) See the Rhemish Testament and the Annot. therein Rom. cap. 13. vers 2. after M. Fulkes edition fol. 259. a paulo post med Christians are bound in conscience to obey even their heathen Emperours Herevpon it is that wee differ â—n doctrine from our adversaries (2) See Bellarmin lib. 3. de Laiâ—is cap 10. 11. maintaining against them their contraâ—ie (3) Luther de Seculari potestate in tom 6. Germanico saith among Christians no man can or ought to be Magistrate but each one is to other equally subiect c. among Câ—ristian men none is superiour saue one and onelie Christ And in serm de oâ—e perdita also in his sermons Englished by Wâ—lliam Gage pag. 97. fine Luther further saith therefore is Christ our Lorde that hee may make vs such as himself is as he caÌ„not suffer himselfe to be tâ—de and bound â—y Lawes c so also ought not the consâ—ie câ— of a Christian to suffer them And in hiâ— said sermons pag. 261. circa med he doth adâ—on sâ— that we obey the Câ—vâ—ll Magistrate fâ—r saith he there commeth no losse of Christâ—an libertie or faith thereby for forsomuch as they doâ— not contend that those things are necessarie to salvatâ—on which they ordaine c. howbeit if any should contende that those commaâ—ndem nts of the Civill Magâ—sâ—rate be necessarie to salvation as doubtlesse they be in regard that they binde vs in â—onsâ—iâ—nce and to breake them were sinne then as it is saide of the tradâ—tâ—ons of the Papâ—sts the â—otrariâ— rather were to be done And M. Whitaker doubteth not to maintaine this doctâ—inâ—o Luther teaching vs obedience of policie rather then conscience For whereas Luther is â—hâ—â—â—d to say absurdly Christiani liberi sunt a statutis hominum M. Wâ—â—taker explâ—neth and deâ—endâ—th the samesaying liberi Christiani sâ—nt non vt nâ—llis legiâ—u obtemperent 〈◊〉 â—que sempâ—r vâ—â—â—nâ— s â— vd conscientia mentesque suaâ— legum humanâ—rum religâ—one liberatâ—â—sâ—e â—nâ—â—llâ—gant W ita â—r â—â—â—â—ss ad â—atiâ—nes Campiant rat 8. pag. 154. circa medium And sâ—e this lâ—kâ—â—octrine in Danau in prima partes aâ—tera â—arte coâ—tra Bel armâ—nâ—m pag. 1127 assertion t at the Civill Magistrates Lawes made of things lawfull or indifferent doe binde vs even in consâ—â—ence And froÌ„ this sured ground-worke proceedeth likewise that reverend and religious respect of loue and duetie wherewith we doe admire your royall Maiestie and hence lastlie it is that we do as now in most humble remonstrance and testâ—monie of our Loyaltie acknowledge and recognize even with vnspeakeable ioy to our selues and all due thankefuâ—nes therefore to â—od that your HIGHNES is our true vndoubted lawfull Soveraigne Lord King in whom is fulfilled the succeâ—full and blessed event of a most graue and prâ—dent (*) In regard â—â—d â—oâ—eâ—ight of this which â—ow is hâ— pely conâ—ne to passe K. Henrie 7. eâ—â—owsed his eldest â—â—ughâ—â— to Iamâ—s King of Sâ—oâ—laâ—â— Anno 1502. foresight and we thereby enriched with the most happie vnion of our long devided continent by whom only also and no other our dearest countâ—ie may enioy her established and sweetest â—eace avoiding so that dreadfull confusion and turbulencie of state which otherwise our former feares haue of long imagined and vnto whom only