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A03883 A treatise concerning the ground of faith. VVritten in Latin, by the reuerend Father Iames Gordon Huntley of Scotland, Doctour of Diuinity, of the Society of Iesus. And translated into English, by I.L. of the same Society. The second part of the second controuersy; Controversiarum epitomes. English. Selections Gordon, James, 1541-1620.; Wright, William, 1563-1639. 1614 (1614) STC 13997A; ESTC S118149 27,760 72

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uncertaynty_a be_v engender_v in_o we_o if_o the_o thing_n be_v ambiguous_o and_o obscure_o propose_v how_o certain_a soever_o it_o be_v in_o itself_o 4._o the_o four_o property_n be_v the_o strength_n &_o immutability_n thereof_o so_o that_o this_o ground_n can_v by_o no_o mean_n be_v deprave_a change_v or_o corrupt_v for_o otherwise_o truth_n will_v sometime_o perish_v &_o there_o will_v arise_v some_o error_n against_o faith_n 5._o the_o five_o property_n be_v the_o fullness_n &_o sufficiency_n of_o those_o thing_n which_o be_v to_o be_v believe_v that_o be_v to_o say_v it_o must_v contain_v all_o thing_n appertain_v to_o the_o catholic_a faith_n see_v that_o nothing_o can_v consist_v without_o his_o ground_n or_o foundation_n 6_o the_o six_o property_n be_v the_o necessity_n thereof_o that_o be_v to_o say_v it_o must_v necessary_o be_v receive_v of_o all_o who_o have_v the_o true_a faith_n and_o because_o without_o it_o true_a faith_n can_v consist_v even_o as_o the_o building_n 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faith_n we_o do_v not_o understand_v by_o the_o church_n the_o shoulder_n or_o body_n of_o they_o who_o be_v in_o she_o but_o their_o authority_n doctrine_n and_o preach_v for_o by_o these_o thing_n faith_n be_v engender_v and_o as_o the_o apostle_n witness_v faith_n be_v by_o hear_v 15._o but_o whensoever_o we_o treat_v of_o the_o true_a church_n of_o christ_n we_o do_v not_o speak_v of_o that_o which_o want_v true_a faith_n which_o be_v deaf_a dumb_a or_o foolish_a and_o which_o also_o either_o neglect_v or_o not_o understand_v the_o word_n of_o god_n or_o scripture_n for_o such_o a_o church_n be_v not_o the_o true_a church_n of_o christ._n but_o we_o speak_v of_o that_o which_o believe_v which_o speak_v which_o preach_v the_o pure_a word_n of_o god_n which_o keep_v and_o expound_v the_o scripture_n most_o faithful_o and_o which_o fit_o apply_v they_o in_o sermon_n &_o exhortation_n among_o we_o therefore_o all_o these_o word_n have_v one_o and_o the_o same_o signification_n the_o church_n the_o faith_n of_o the_o church_n the_o preach_v and_o doctrine_n of_o the_o church_n the_o word_n of_o god_n preach_v by_o the_o church_n and_o the_o truth_n of_o god_n propose_v unto_o we_o by_o the_o church_n and_o we_o understand_v all_o these_o thing_n by_o the_o name_n of_o the_o church_n when_o we_o say_v that_o she_o be_v the_o ground_n of_o our_o faith_n for_o all_o these_o thing_n be_v either_o property_n action_n or_o office_n of_o the_o church_n which_o can_v be_v separate_v from_o she_o 16._o wherefore_o our_o adversary_n do_v err_v exceed_o when_o they_o separate_v every_o one_o of_o these_o from_o the_o church_n and_o oppose_v or_o object_v it_o against_o she_o as_o though_o it_o be_v a_o quite_o distinct_a thing_n from_o she_o nay_o of_o the_o true_a church_n of_o christ_n they_o make_v she_o the_o synagogue_n of_o satan_n therefore_o the_o apostolical_a &_o prophetical_a doctrine_n must_v not_o be_v separate_v and_o make_v opposite_a unto_o the_o church_n as_o calvin_n do_v see_v that_o it_o be_v a_o essential_a part_n of_o the_o visible_a church_n calvin_n therefore_o dispute_v as_o if_o one_o shall_v make_v this_o argument_n a_o man_n without_o his_o soul_n neither_o see_v speak_v nor_o understandeth_v therefore_o a_o man_n neither_o see_v speak_v nor_o understand_v 17._o but_o peradventure_o some_o will_v say_v we_o have_v say_v a_o little_a before_o that_o faith_n be_v the_o ground_n of_o the_o church_n and_o now_o we_o 7._o say_v that_o the_o church_n be_v the_o ground_n of_o faith_n whereof_o the_o one_o seem_v to_o be_v contrary_a unto_o the_o other_o i_o answer_v that_o here_o there_o be_v no_o contrariety_n for_o there_o be_v two_o kind_n of_o faith_n the_o one_o be_v the_o particular_a faith_n of_o every_o christian_a whereby_o together_o with_o hope_n and_o charity_n every_o one_o be_v justify_v the_o other_o be_v the_o general_a and_o common_a faith_n of_o the_o whole_a church_n the_o particular_a faith_n of_o each_o one_o rely_v 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authority_n of_o the_o holy_a scripture_n themselves_o be_v no_o less_o diminish_v and_o infringe_v then_o that_o of_o the_o church_n chap._n vii_o that_o the_o church_n do_v not_o only_o give_v a_o bare_a testimony_n but_o also_o authority_n to_o the_o scripture_n this_o matter_n be_v here_o brief_o to_o be_v examine_v that_o it_o may_v more_o clear_o be_v understand_v how_o necessary_a the_o church_n approbation_n be_v to_o the_o establish_n of_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o holy_a scripture_n but_o to_o the_o end_n that_o it_o may_v more_o clear_o appear_v whereof_o we_o dispute_v in_o this_o place_n it_o be_v to_o be_v consider_v that_o see_v that_o our_o adversary_n can_v deny_v but_o that_o the_o church_n affoard_v some_o testimony_n to_o the_o holy_a scripture_n they_o affirm_v that_o this_o testimony_n of_o the_o church_n be_v only_o a_o bare_a testimony_n and_o not_o a_o testimony_n of_o authority_n 2._o for_o there_o be_v two_o kind_n of_o testimony_n the_o one_o be_v call_v 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