Selected quad for the lemma: scripture_n

Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
scripture_n	catholic_a	church_n	tradition_n	2,528	5	9.2068	5	false

Text snippets containing the quad

ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A85228	Certain considerations of present concernment: touching this reformed Church of England. With a particular examination of An: Champny (Doctor of the Sorbon) his exceptions against the lawful calling and ordination of the Protestant bishops and pastors of this Church. / By H: Ferne, D.D.	Ferne, H. (Henry), 1602-1662.	1653 (1653)	Wing F789; Thomason E1520_1; ESTC R202005	136,131	385

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