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A56711 A manifest touching M.W.F. aversion from the Protestant congregation And his conversion to the Catholique Church presented to the right wor. ll [sic] Sir A.P. his much honoured father, and his other best friends, for their better satisfaction and his owne iustification. Medical Women's Federation (Great Britain); H. P. 1650 (1650) Wing P85A; ESTC R218671 37,865 97

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A MANIFEST TOVCHING M. W. F. Aversion from the Protestant Congregation AND HIS Conversion to the Catholique Church Presented to the Right Wor. ll Sir A. P. his much honoured Father and his other best Friends for their better satisfaction and his owne Iustification Viam iniquitatis amoue à me de lege tua miserere mei Viam veritatis elegi iudicia tua non oblitus Psal. 118. PERMISSV SVPERIORVM Anno 1650. TO HIS HONORABLE DEARE VNCLE S. ir H. W. BARONETTE c. Dominus det vobis suam Pacem SIR Hauing obtained à copy of my deare deceased Brother Williams Manifest which in his life was presēted vnto my Father I make bold to addresse it vnto you in print as more legible and vsefull to fulfill and execute the will of my Brother who was in his life most entirely deuoted to you and most singularly Zealous of your souls salvation which according as my bounden duty requires I equally tender and affect I can not tell what acceptance it may relish with you in respect of your olde age yet sure I am were you trauelling vnto Hierusalem and should be informed by him or me though inferiour in years of the great dangers assuredly you would fall into if you held on in the new way you had commenced your iourney in doubtlesse you would take it maruelous kindly of vs and as an argument of our true respectfull loue towards you that by our notice you were prevented from falling in to the hands of bloodsucking enimies or being swalowed vp in some vnknowne gulfe in your new passage This is now you case you are traueling in your Resolution to the beauenly Hierusalem but vnder fauour and without offence giue me leaue to tell you that if you proceede in this new way and new Religion you are in the perills are unspeakably great for that all going and holding this new way ar robbed not of their temporall wealth nor of their temporall life depriued by drowning but by à Diabolicall crew and an Infernall gulfe spoiled of their sowles to their owne irreparable dammage and the opprobrious disgrace of Christ most pretious blood spilt in vaine for them And howbeit this new way you walke in may peradnenture seeme to you to be right and secure Yet vndoutedly except you turne out of it in the end it will leade you to endlesse perdition You can not be ignorant that the Origine of this new way and occasion of putting our poore distressed country-men out of the old approued path and good way in which our auncestours walking securely arriued to heaven was the sacrilegious auarice and insatiable lust of King Henry the eight in whom alone not I but Sir Walter Raulie affirmes all the markes of à Tyrāt might be found in case they were lost who as all know that are versant in the hictory and tradition of our Nation withdrew himsefe and the Realme from the obeyssanee of the Catholique Church the old and only assured way to Saluation Deus vnus est Christus vnus vna Ecclesia Cathedravna super Petram Domini voce fundata Saith S. Cyprian l. 1. Epist. 8. This Henry the eight because the Bishop of Rome S. Peters successour and Christs Viccar on earth would not dispensc with him to put à way his lawfull wife Queene Catherine of Spaine of blessed memory he vsurped and tooke vpon him to be head of the English Church and put àway most iniuriously his Queene Which vnheard of arrogancy of his vsurped spirituall supremacy how God hath punished in his Successours is too too sad and too too fresh to rehearse Patres nostri peccauerunt nos portauimus iniquitates eorum If God hath not his due in his vicegerent of his Church it is no wonder that Caesar wbo by the grace and fauour of God temporaly gouerneth hath not his due obedience from his subiects and that they vsurpe à power ouer him In quo quis peccat in hoc punietur And seeing so much innocent blood of Catholiques haue beene spilt and so many Priests slaine as Prophets sent to reclaime her I doe not wonder that God after so long à patient frustrated expectation of our Countrys penance and retourne doth now bring forth the yron rod of the sword and chastise the Kingdome with so much effusion of blood to auenge the contempt of his house the Catholique Church the innocent members and Pastors put to death and that the Bishops and others Who so much striued to put down Catholique Religion should now by the iust iudgments of God be pulled downe and haue their Church and Religion destroyed by themselues I will set the Aegyptians against the Aegyptians and the brethren shall fight against the brethren Esay 19. Vaegenti peccatrici woe woe to à sinfull nation which by its hainous schisme and heresy hath forsaken God teaching and speaking in his Catholique Church which hath blasphemed holy Israel and followed its owne giddy priuate spirit which seeth nothing aright where euery one at his pleasure carues cut to himselfe à Religion out of the Scriptures interpreted according to their owne priuate and vnwarranted spirits as if all were Apostles all Prophets all Doctours all Pastours contrary to the Ecclesiasticall order and Hierarchy instituted by Christ our Sauiour as witnesses the Apostle S. Paul 1. ad Cor 12. But alas will our poore distressed country neuer rise and retourne againe to her Mother the Catholique Church that shee may haue accesse to God as à Father Nunquid qui cadit non resurget qui auersus est non reuertetur quare ergo auersus est populus iste in Hierusalem auersione contentiosa apprehenderunt mendacium noluerunt reuerti c. nullus est qui agat poenitentiam super peccato suo dicens quid feci c. The turtle Doue the Swalow the Storke haue obserued the time of their comeing but my people saith God by his Prophet haue not knowne the iudgment of the Lord Hier. 8. And for as much as our poore Countrymen will not reflect vpon the manifest iudgments of God vpon the Kingdome for its reuolt by Schisme and Heresy from the Catholique Church therfore is shee become desolate Desolatione desolata est omnis terra quia non est qui recogitet corde Hieri 12. Wherfore Deare Sir to preuent the maine misery of miseries since God of his immense Clemency hath lent you space to returne whilest thousands and thousands in these calamities of our Nation are ingulfed in the bottomlesse pitt of hell promptly obey the voice of God by the prementioned Prophet Heremie Aske of the old paths which is the Good way and walke in it and you shall finde refreshing for your soules Cap. 6. v. 16. But aske timely with all possible diligence breaking with all worldly considerations of honour riches or pleasures for the loue of sweet Iesus who not only endured for your sake all contradictions and opprobrious disgraces but layd out all he
Heathers Heathens Ibid put out Math. 28. P. 63. Captiuite Captiuate Ibid. Madmes Madnesse THE CONTENTS THE cause of vvriting this manifest pag. 1. The reall Motiues of making his Search into matters of Religion p. 2. A fitt disposition for the finding out the truth of Religion p. 4. The false deating of Protestant vvriters acknovvledged by themselues p. 6. The blasphemous absurdities of Protestants auouching the Church to haue perished p. 7 The vnion of Sectaries vvhich principally consistes in their common conspiracy against the Romane and Catholique Church VVhat it argues p. 8. The reason vvhy none vvith à safe conscience can adheare to the English Church p 9. The guile full deceipt of Heritickes pretending to flie to the Scripture p. 10. VVhether Protestants haue infallibly any true Scripture to dispute out of or to build their faith on from the 10. to the 13. Theire falsifying the Scriptures and vnconscionable dealing in commending them to the people for the pure vvord of God p. 14. That Protestants can not proue any thing assuredly out of Scripture p. 16. The cunning of Heretickes in affirming the Church can erre that they take avvay all meanes of ending controuersies in Religion p. 17. The manifold old heresies Protestants haue renevved p. 18. to the 20. Their contempt of the Churches authority makes them guilty of Antichristian pride p. 20. VVhat effect the consideration of the Prementioned absurdities vvrought p. 21. The perpetuall visibility or succession of Pastours as the marke of Christes Church vvhich is but one established p. 22. of vvhich also p. 66. c. That the Fathers fled therevnto to confute heretikes p. 23. to 26. proued The Argument demonstrating that only the Romane Church is Christs true Church founded on the inseparable marks therof p. 26. Protestants Confessions that their Church vvas not in the ages before Luther but that truth was vnknovvne an vniuersall Apostacy ouer spreading the vvorld till his coming p. 27. to 31. The consequence dravvn from their style of Reformed Church incompatible in points of faith vvith Christs true Church p. 30. Their euasions of the Argument confuted p. 31. A triall by expresse Scripture of the controuerted points of Religion p. 32. to 38. Protestants impious dealing vvith Scriptures p. 39. to 43. A Triall by the auncient Fathers according to Protestants ovvne Confessions p. 44. The deepe hypocrisy of Ievvel the English Protestants grand champion in Appealing to the Fathers p. 47. The vanity also of Witthaker therin p. 48. Also VVillets diabolicall dissimulation in that point p. 49. The exeerable blasphemy vvhich folovveth from Protestāts pretēded Reformation of the Church p. 51. A Further prosecution of the Argument against other Sectes p. 53. Protestants Confessions in behalfe of the Romane Church that she vvas the true Church and that she never fell p. 55. to 61. The issue or result of the former discourse and the Authours Resolution p. 61. 62. c. An Ansvver to the obiection of differring his Conuersion to the Romane Church p. 72. The Fathers testimonies of her p. 68. c. The Conclusion and reason vvhy he so much vseth the Protestants confessions and testimonies p. 75. M. W. P. MANIFESTE TO HIS FRIENDS IN IVSTIFICATION Of his abandoning the English Church and becoming Catholique BEINGE not ignorant but very sensible how falsely my brother is voyced to haue seduced me such is theire phrase they please to vse to become Catholique and againe how temerariously noe lesse vniustly my selfe is accused of Levitie and inconstancy for abandoninge the Protestant reformed Congregation I haue therfore thought it à very behouefull part to declare my selfe breifly by this ensueinge manifest as well to clere my brother as to render your selfe an dmy other best freinds some satisfactory accoumpt in iustification of myne owne Action First then although my brother doe much ioy with the Angells for my Conversion as I doubt not but all godly people doe and might much more haue gloryed had he been the Instrument or Agent therof yet vpon my resolution I assure yow he was soe great à stranger unto it as that he knew me not to be otherwise then à Protestāt before that some weeks after my reconsiliation to the Church of Christ I tould him I was à Catholique Yea soe farr was he from conceavinge any hopes that way as that he ingeniously and playnly tould me that I was one of the prophanest Spiritts that ever he heard speake against his Religion How then was he an Actor in my Conversion to the Catholique Church that was not onely such à stranger to it but allso in à manner dispayringe therof As Concerninge the obiected Levity I sincerly protest it was the due Consideration of the vanityes of these transitory affayrs the vncertaynty of this present life the Innumerable daingers that therin occurre the Dreadfull Iudgement that I was to vndergoe and the fynall sentence of eternall Ioye or misery never dyeing but everlastinge wich I was to receive These important poynts I say seriously pondered and not levity occasioned my search into matters of Religion on the verity or falsety wherof accordingly depends the salvation or damnation of every mans soule which is the Vnum necessarium to vse the Gospell phrase that aboue all affaires is to be regarded What exchange will à man make for his soule Verily by the irrefragable testimony of our Sauiour If he gaynes the whole world he profitts nothinge if he suffer damage therof Vnderstand yee these things that forgett God whilst peradvēture ther will not be any to redeeme yow Ps. 49. Oh all yee who are enthraled by the loue of perissinge riches temporall honnors Carnall freinds and wordly respects who by their actions and deeds deny God nothinge fearinge the fynall sentence of eternall woe or wellfare Oh all yee I say tymely consider and take to hart this most Consequent affaire least hereafter when it will be too late ther wil be none to releive or succor you and therfore lett vs while wee haue tyme worke good for our soules Let vs now I say while it is A nunc acceptabile seeke our Lorde while he may be fownd and be prepared to ascertayne our selues in the knowledge and embracement of the one Catholique Church out of which ther is noe salvation least when wee little thinke of it the Sonne of man will come to call vs to à dreadfull accoumpt and finde vs Et minus habentes ad recte credendum tardos And forasmuch as that in the Inquest after soe weightye an argument ther can be noe worse preparatiue disposition and more disadvantagious to the findinge out of the soule savinge truth then to haue aforehand an over wayueringe conceipt of the one syde and to be prepossest by preiudicate opinion of the other part I was resolued vtterly to divest my selfe of the passions of loue or hatred towards eyther syde and dilligently with the impartiall eye of Charity to looke into the principales of both Catholique and
reason as ever auy Sect for if these plaintiffes that accuse the Roman Church of Error superstition Noveltye and Idolatrie be vrged to produce any playne place of holy writt to proue their accusation for example sake wher in holy writt it is syad That Gods Commaundements are impossible to be kept or where in holy writt ther is any prohibition to craue the assistance of the heavenly Saints to ioyne their prayers with ours to our Lorde Iesus Christ that wee may be made worthie of this promises c. the whole pack of them are not able to produce not soe much as one expresse text to that purpose but givinge slipp to the demaund in question they fly to bye difficultyes fabulous or impertinent narrations relatinge many tales of Cockes and Bulles of this Pope and that Pope of this Bissopp or that Fryer Soe destitute are they of the ayde of holy writt which vaynely and frequently they pretend soe that the sayeinge of the holy Prophet is well verifyed in them The vngodly haue tould me their fables but not as thy Lawe Ps. 118. But wheter haue these frivolous impertinences of Protestants wrested my discourse To retorne then to the Byble on which solye they pretend to build all their fayth although it be not controuerted betuene Catholiques and Protestants or any other nomynated Christians whether God hath any worde written which is infallable vsually called the holy Scripture As it is one thinge to question whether ther be à Kinge of Spayne and another thing wether Phillip or Ferdinando be the Kinge therof For that though the first to witt that ther is à Kinge of Spayne be most Certayne yet the latter may be debated which is the Lawfull true Kinge vzt Ferdinando or Phillip Soe though it be most Certayne that there is à written worde of God infallable yet iustly may it be questioned whether that booke which Protestants haue and call the Byble be the holy Scripture or noe For as the Learned doe obserue in the Scriptures three thinges are to be consydered First the Cannon or Catologue of divyne bookes Secondly the translation And thirdly the sence which is the soule of the Letter Now then I demaund of Protestants what Infallible assurance they haue that the bookes which be in their Cannon be onely divyne And those which they reiect as Apocripha be really such Will yow saye with Luther and with other Protestants as Whitakre and Doue that yow received them from the Roman Catholique Church Then it followeth if her authoritye who yow Credit therin be infallible yow are allsoe bound to stande to her worde in other poynts of Religion For if she be infallible as she must if yow haue any infallible assurance that the Scriptures yow received from her be really divyne in à matter soe fundamentell much more is she to be Credited in other poynts as namely concerninge the true interpretation therof c. Secondly out of this answer it followeth that the Roman Church cannot be Antichristian as some Protestants vaynly pretend For it cannot stand that they should preserue the Scriptures for soe many ages wherin yow pretend your Church was vnknowne and latent For then may Israell be fownd in Babilon and participation bebetwene Christ and Belial And she who is falsehood it selfe be by your owne inference the pillar and foundation of truth To be shorte then must the whore of the Apochalips Thus is Antichrist become Christ Servante and best supporter Keep safe those Recordes wherby those many hundred Thowsonds of Christ virgins make their Clayme to the inestimable reward alloted for their vowe of Chastitye As easily wee may beleiue that the Arke and the Idoll Dagon may be placed together But indeed though yow haue the Roman Churches warrant that those bookes that yow admitt as Canonicall to be divyne yet never did the Roman Church warrant or assure yow that onely those bookes placed in your Cannon be divyne and the rest which yow reiect to be Apochripha It resteth then that the greatest assurance yow haue is the authority of your owne Church which Confessedly is lyable to Error what infallible assurance haue Protestants of the purity and incorruption of their translation especially seeinge many of their brethren hardly Censure it How shall I approue sayth M. Burges vnder my hand à translation which hath many omissions many additions which sometymes obscureth sometymes perverteth the sence beinge sometymes senceles sometymes Contrarye M. Bronghton the great Hebritian thus sayth The publique translation of the Scripture in English is such as it perverteth the Text of the old Testament in eight hundred forty and eight places and it causeth Millions of Millions to reiect the new Testament and to runne into eternall flames And to omitt how Bishopp Tunstall noated two thowsand Corruptions of the Bible in Tindalls translation And allsoe how the Remists noated two hundred and tenn corruptions of the new Testament out of Greeke which Protestants pretended to translate not Chardginge them with an infynite number of their Corruptiōs repugnant to the auncyent authenticke Lattin To omitt I saye these and many other Catholique observations for which they Iustly except against the English Bybles I add this Cōfessiō of the famous Protestant D. Whitakre who though favouringe the Englishe trāslation of the Bible as much as possible he might yet thus he confesseth I haue not sayd otherwise but that somethings in the Englishe translation might be amended Now what infallible assurance I saye haue they to warrant their translation as incorrupt seeinge the greatest warrant they haue for it is the authority of their Church which by their confession may erre And with what Conscience can they Commend vnto the people their English Byble thus Corrupted for the pure word of God Note Againe what infallible assurance haue they of the sence which is the life of the Letter to witt that their expositions be the true meaninge of the holy Ghost but the authority of their Church which by their owne Confession is subiect to Erre On the contrarye what infallible assurance haue they that the Catholiques Cannon translation and exposition of the Byble are not Orthodoxe but the authority of their errable Church Note Now thē if fayth be an infallible Knowledge for by falliable and errable doctrine it is impossible to be saued can anye one with à safe Conscience build all his fayth vpon such à Byble whose Cannon translation and interpretation hath noe infallible assurance And in this I was infinitely confirmed when afterward I read in M. r Shillinghworths booke approued by three Oxford Doctors as conformable to the Doctrine of the Church of England vzt that ther was noe infallible Certaynety to be assured That the Scriptures were really Gods worde Which in effect is to suye That Protestants who pretend to beleiue nothinge but that which is contayned in Scriptures haue noe infallible assurance whether their Congregation be truely faythfull Christiains or no Moreover I demaund what certayne warrant
out of the Apostle S. Paul A text for its Clearnes able to Comment its Comment to witt that Christ hath placed in his Church Pastors and Doctors to the Consummation of Saints till wee all meet in the vnitie of the fayth That is as Doctor Fulke à Protestāt divine expounds for ever Calvin himselfe expowndinge it thus Concluds in these words The Church cannot at any tyme want Postors and Doctors Now that these Pastors and Doctors must not at any tyme in their office and dutyes be sylent It is not onely witnessed by the Holy Ghost I saye 62. but allsoe besydes the nature of their function requiringe it acknowledged by Protestants And therfore Doctor Fulke sayth well Truth cannot be continued in the world but by the Ministry of the Pastors and Doctors In lyke sort touchinge the administration of the Sacraments the same is more particulerly evicted from the cleare words of our Saviour and S. Paul seinge by the help of them wee shall Shew the Lords death till he come 1. Cor. 11. A point soe evydent that it lyeth out of the way of all contradiction And therfore Willett à Protestante in playne words mayntaineh that the absence of the Sacraments makes à nullity of the Church And againe in Doctor Whittakres phrase That The administration of the word and Sacraments being present Constitute à Church beinge absent doe subuert it And againe as the some Doctor styleth them they are Ecclesiae essentiales proprietates Thus doth Protestants ioyntly with Catholiques teach that not at same tymes onely the Church of Christ beinge his insepable and immaculate Spouse with whom he isto the Consummation of the world is to enioy Pastors and Doctors for the vse of the word and Sacraments at other tymes to be wholly destitute of them ague lyke havinge their accesses and remissions but that at all tymes and in all ages in all seasons the Church without any interruption is to Continew in his full Orbe by ever inioyinge the aforesayd meanes of salvation Hence it is that the Fathers to confound hereticall congregations presse heretickes to shew their contynuall succession of Pastors and professors of their doctrine because if they go to scriptures interpretating it according to their owne iudgement there can be noe determination or end Thus S. Ireneus confounded Valentinus Cedron and Marcion By this ordynation of succession sayth he the tradition which is from the Apostles received into the Church and the publishinge of fayth hath come even vnto vs wee beinge able to shew wee put all those to confusion that through vayne glory ond ignorance broach new doctrines in the Church l. 3. c. 3. 4. 5. For none of these Heretickes can deryue their succession from the Apostles nor shew how their doctrine was received by tradition from thence Thus Turtullian de praes. c. 11. confoundeth Valétinus Apelleus and other heretickes Lett them publishe the Origens of their Church sayth hee let them vnfould the order of their Bishopps soe proceedinge by successions from the begininge so that the first Bishopps haue predecessors some Apostle or Apostolicall man perseveringe with the Apostles in that manner they produce the sence of the Apostolicall Church In this sort doth S. Cyprian confound Novatian because he cannot proue his su●cession accordinge to Apostolicall tradition Novatian sayth he l. 1. Ep. 7. is neyther Bishopp nor member of the Church who Contemninge Evangelicall and Apostolicall tradition succeeding noe man is ordayned of himselfe Thus doth S. Augustin l. 2. cont. Retil c. 51. confound the Donatists and Sectaryes of his tyme Number sayth he Your Preists even from the seate of Peter and observe that order of fathers who succeeded one another and the Successions of Bishopps was one thinge amongst others that kept the same S. Augustin gloryous Doctor of the Church from departinge out of the bosome of the Catholique Church for thus he sayth in his Epistle to the Manicheans Many things most iustly retayneinge me in the bosome of the Church the succession of Preists from Peters seate to this present Bishopp keepes me in the Church the name Catholique keepes me c. Fynally hence it is that S. Ierome thus Counselleth In that Church wee ought to abyde which founded by the Apostles to this very day lasteth yea such an evydent veritie it is that Christ true Church shall never want at any tyme Professors and members therof as that it extorts this testimony from her aduersarie D. Whitakre Not without great ioy of mynde wee doe beleive that Christ Church hitherto hath endured neyther shall it perish soe longe as the world stands and the Contrary opinion wee esteeme as à prophane heresie From this established foundation is erected this discourse for my purpose Note The true Church of Christ which is but one shall in all ages ever inioye à succession of Pastors and Doctors for the administration of the worde and Sacraments Therfore the true Church of Christ hath ever remayned without interruption of such Pastors and Teachers from the Apostles tyme even vntill this daye But noe Church extant in the world can be assigned to haue remayned without interruption of Pastors for the administration of the worde and Sacraments saue only the Roman Church Therfore irrefragablie it followeth that the Roman Church only and those which haue Cōmunyon of fayth with her to be the only true Church of Christ or else which is most absurde and Blasphemous that Christ hath noe Church vpon earth but that the gates of hell to her destruction hath prevayled against her contrary to Christ promyse That there is noe Christian Church extant but the Roman Church that hath withont interruption in all ages enioyed both Pastors and Doctors is esilie demonstrated for neyther the Protestant Church nor the Iewes nor the Arians Donatists Manicheans Pelagians Wicklefians Graecians Mahometans or any other Church can be assigned but the Roman Therfore c. First concerninge the Protestant Church it is but new and began from Luther from whence it is called Lutheran and reformed which is manifest by the restimonies of the learned Protestants and Luther himselfe which I will here inserte Let then first their Champpō of the Englishe Church Iuell speake in the first place he in his Apologie of the Church of Englād in the fowerth parte and fowerth Chapter And in his defence of the Apologie Anno 1571 pag. 426. Truth sayth he was vnknowne all that tyme and vnheard of when Martin Luther and Vldericke Zwinglius first came into the knowledge and preachinge of the Gospell M. Perkins sayth in the exposition of the Creed and in his Reformed Catholicke Wee affirme sayth he that before Luthers dayes for many hundred yeares our Church was not visible to the world an vniversall Apostasie over spredinge the whole face of the earth In soe much as Bucer in his epistle to the Bishopp of Hereford calls Luther The first Apostle of the reformed Gospell whose vocation sayth Conradus Sohlussburg by reason of the
vrge I saye That if the Catholick Romane Church had departed from any other extant Church that enioyeth à succession of Pastors vp to the Apostles time that they would name the time when she fell away from that Church name the Companie of Christians of more Auncient and of different fayth from whence she is departed Tell where this Christian companie more Auncient is extant Rehearse the succession of their Pastors out of Ecclesiasticall records For seing it is à prophesie drawne from aknowledged Scriptures on all sides and from the acknowledged sence on all sides That Christ Church shall forever enioy continewally Pastors and Doctors for the worke of the Ministrie that is for preaching the worde and administringe the Sacraments The verification of this prophesie can be drawne from noe other testimonie then the evidence of Ecclesiasticall history And truly it is à strange incredible thinge That seeinge Christ Church is soe visible as she is compared to à Tabernacle placed in the sonne to à light not hidd vnder à bushell but placed on à Candlesticke and finally to à Citty of everlastinge foundation builded vpon à mountaine which was in such manner without anie limit of tyme to shine to the world to witt Cheiffly by her Pastors and Teachers the lights therof soe that it cannot be hidd How is it possible that if there were extant any such Auncient Compaine of Christians but that some historie would give some testimonie of her succession of Pastors and Apostolicall Acts and certainlie if men were voide of reason or sence perad venture they might be perswaded that for nine hundred yeares together men had noe eyes noe eares and noe tongues as easilie as that there was à more Aūcient Church which had Pastors that had noe tongues to preach with had such members as had neither eyes nor eares to see and heare their Pastors to administer the worde and Sacraments and yeld anie testimonie that they eyther sawe or heard such Pastors and Doctors and questionles some historians that lived in those dayes would mention the departure of the Romane Church soe renowued for her fayth through the world if she had made anie deperture from such à more Auncient Christian Companie professing à different fayth Wher were the watchmen God placed vpon the walles of his Church that should not hold their peace neither night nor daye Esay 62. were they asleepe and silent when soe notorious à breach was made were the Pastors and Doctors which Christ had given to his Church for the worke of the Ministrie vnto the consummation of the number of the elect and vntill wee mett all in the vnitie of fayth Ephes. 4. were not I saye these Pastors and Doctors able to confirme in sownd doctrine and stoutlie and corragiously even with importunitie to reprehended and argue the Romane Catholiques for the introduction of such grosse errors as Protestants accuse the Romane Church to haue been possessed with for soe maine ages Could they take notice of the least chinkes of the Churches walles that is of the few errors of fayth in comparison of those the Romane Church is accused of by Protestants which eyther Arians Pelagians Marchionists Manicheans c. attempted to haue made And onely were they vnable to argue the Romane Church Or were they partiall or corrupted to be silent and dombe vntill Papistrie over-ran and possessed the whole Christian world And did the Holie Ghost which by Christ infalliblie was promised to abyde forever with these Pastors to teach them all truth forsake them soe maine ages and at last take their flight to à Sacrilegious Luxurious Apostata Martin Luther and à branded Sodomite Iohn Calvin who at last should discover the Romane Churches deperture from the more Auncient Christian Church God knowes in what imaginarie spaces extant to be fownd Credite posteri Noe noe soe farr is the Romane Church from havinge departed from any other more Auncient extant compagny of Christians professinge à different fayth as that her greatest enemyes witnesse the contrarie D. Feild l. 3. de Eccle. C. 13. sayth the Romane Church allwayes had Communion with those Churches which never fell into error D. Sutcliffe allsoe pressed with the truth doth acknowledge in his answere to à Masse Preists petition That the Romane Church never departed from anie visible companie of Christians Bunny in his Treatis of pacification sayth that she allwayes communicated with the true Church and never went from the Christian cōpanie Yea Cassander much magnified by Protestants sayth that the Romane Church is to be reverenced as beinge the true Church of God And Somes in his defence against Penrie sayth that by the Iudgment of all learned men and of all the reformed Churches the true Church is the Papistrie Iohn White in his defence C. 41. in the name of his fellowes sayth wee professe the Romane Church in all ages to haue been the visible Church of God wee never doubt sayth Feild li 3. de Eccl. But that the Churches wherin those holie men S. Bernarde S. Dominike c. did liue and die were the true Churches of God and held the savinge profession of heavenlie truth yea Luther whom with tytle of Father of Protestants M. Whitakers honoreth sayes in his Epist. against the Anabaptist wee confesse that all Christian good is in the Papacie and that from thence it came downe to vs And in the selfe some place he sayth I saye farther that in the Papasie is the true Christianitie yea and the true curnell of Christianitie And Anthonie Saddell in his booke de rebus graniss controversis c. titulo de legitima vocatione Pastorum Ecclesiae reformatae affirmes that sundrie Protestants Confesse that the Ministers with them to be destitute of Lawfull callinge as not havinge à contineual visible succession from the Apostles time which they doe attribute only to the Papists And M. Fu'ke allsoe accordinglie sayth Yow can name the notable persons in all ages in their government and ministrie and especially the succession of the Popes yow can rehearse in order vpon your fingers soe he in his auswere to à Counterfett Catholique It beinge then made manifest by the Text of Canonicall Scriptures the testimonies of the approved auncient Fathers yea and from the plaine Confession of the Learned Protest so powerfull is truth as she extorts weapons from her adversaries in her owne defence that it is an insepable true marke of Christ his Church his spowse which is but one that she shall allwayes enioy Pastors and Doctors rightly to administer the word and Sacraments Insomuch as wher there is à cessatiō or want of these Pastors given for the worke of the Ministrie vntill wee all meet in the vnity of fayth There can be noe Church and consequently noe salvation And seeing alsoe this Marke agreeth not with Protest or any other congregation saue only the Romane Church as hath aboundontly bin declared it followeth by à necessary sequell that the Romane Church is the onely Church to which