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A14357	M. le Hucher minister of Amyens in France compelled to fly from the pure word of holy write; strucke dumme; and made to runne away Vppon the subiect of the B. Sacrament of the altar. By F. Francis Veron of the Society of Iesus, encountring him with the Bible of Geneua only. In the presence of the Duke de Longueuille. VVith a briefe and easie meanes, by which each Catholike may, in like manner, put to flight any minister or sectarie. Sent from Sieur de la Tour one of the sayd Dukes gentlemen, to Sieur de Rotois, gentleman of the Kings game.; Adrian Hucher ministre d'Amyens, mis à l'inquisition des passages de la Bible de Genève. English	Véron, François, 1575-1649.; Catcher, Edward, 1584?-1624?	1616 (1616)	STC 24675.5; ESTC S107356	29,473	96

to saluation but flesh animated by his spirite and quickened by his deuine life in this manner we eate it In which fashion we cannot eate anie other flesh for it must first be dead before it nourish vs. Remember finally that I doe not by this Scripture prooue my faith this suffiseth me that in these words you reade not either figure of body or that we hold that it is donne spiritually in such manner that the body is not contained there this I say suffiseth to make you know you are misledd For since you reade it not which doubtles if it were there you might the pure word warranteth not that which this article containeth Behold Syr the arte which in this letter I promised to discouer vnto you is it not a rare worthy hunting-game haue you ere this seene such coursing F. Veron in teaching it me told me that which I know will giue it no small luster in your eye that he receaued the origine and substance therof from the R.F. Gontery which famous hunter was the authour and inuentour of this so efficacious and facile sport who also vsed no other in his disputes a-against the Ministers iudging this the best and most powerfull of all And you know well that that fearfull scourge of the Hereticke is most expert in these combats 〈◊〉 being so beaten a soldiour in those warres each prudent man wil make a great esteme of his aduise herein He hath putt to slight the Ministers of Dieppe of Caen of Sedan c. and among the rest some Allmaines he founde at Tourlac But how Truly by no other meanes but this by the pure Scripture alone and that after the Geneua Translation by the practise before set downe Sauing that he brideled them in more shortly for he neuer suffered them in any point debated to proceed by consequences which they said they would deduce out of the Scripture vnles they first subscribed that they could not enter combate with vs by the pure written word I should now sende you the relation promised of this Conference between F. Veron and the Minister Hucher but because the printer by reason of the great frostes could not dispatch the same so soone as I hoped not to keepe you wholy in suspence I send you the summary thereof togeather with the meanes to buckle with the Sectaries The whole Conference is vnder the presse you shall haue it within eight daies ioyne it to this fashion of hunting which I now send you for in that you will see the practise of this kinde of chace vsed by the Father in this conflict Heere will you also see by this so succesfull and remarkable victory the efficacy of this arte It is scarcely possible to putt a man to more confusion then the Minister was in The fame of this victory strooke the sectaries to the harte Seeing the title of this epistle before it was printed they were much offended at it but all partes thereof are easily iustified by the Actes of the Conference signed Behold out of them the Ministers owne wordes He hauing promised to shew by the pure word that IESVS Christ is not in the Eucharist after a little pressing said The truth is that these vvords the body of IESVS Christ is not in the Eucharist are not in the Scripture And after being vrged a little harder he confessed besides twice before all the assembly that he had not any text in Scripture which setting aside all consequences conteyned formally and expresly the sense of this proposition IESVS Christ is not in the Eucharist which notwithstanding he before vndertooke to shew by the pure word and so to reforme the Iesuite in his errour Is not this as much as to confesse that he could not by the pure word reforme vs in this point is not this to forsake it is not this to renounce the office and exercise of a reformer thinke you these fittes proceede from a merry hart wherfore with reason the epistle beares for title The Minister of Amiens constrained to renounce the pure vvord of holy vvrite He stayed so long dumme and in presence of so many personnes and of such quality that there is no tergiuersation and refused so long time in the third session to come to the proofe of that in which the day before he was struck speechles or also to deale in any other point that the flight is as euident as the day light VVherfore the epistle hath right vnto his title VVithin few dayes you shall see the narration at large well subscribed and signed in the meane tyme notwithstanding for iustification of the summary thereof sett downe in the beginning of this letter I haue procured these subscriptions following Subscriptions of the Conference the summe vvherof is contained in the beginning of this letter VVEE the subsigned Gentlemen of the Duke of Longueuille being present with our said Lord at the Conferences of which the narration is before set downe do testifie that they haue truly passed as it is declared Giuen at Amyens the 12. of February 1615. Pelletot Foucaucourt Le Cheualier de Moyencourt Gondreuille Tannere Goustimenil Courtauenel Certaine poincts collected out of this practise and other experiences of this kind reduced to six heads for the more warie proceeding of Catholiques with Sectaries of our age THE 1. poinct Seeing that our new Sectaries doe suppose vs Catholiques to be deceaued in our beleefe and that they ar sent to reforme vs by the onlie vvritten vvord of Scripture er the Catholique enter into conference with anie Sectarie let him first demaund what he vnderstandeth by the onlie vvritten vvord of Scripture whither the Old and new Testament with all the parts of eche both as we Catholiques doe or els what Then let the Catholique request the Sectarie to proue by the onlie vvritten vvord as he tooke vppon him that the whole Bible or such parcels as he doth admit for holie Scripture or reiect ar in deede or at not holy Scripture He cannot doe it but by Tradition and by the Catholique Church her authoritie The 2. is No Catholique conferring must seeke to proue our opinions which the Sectaries disalowe of for we ar in possession and defendants not plainetifes The 3. is The Catholique must not in any case permit the Sectarie to bring anie proofe whatsoeuer other then the onlie vvritten vvord of Scripture and this also without anie interpretation glose or consequence of his owne braine The 4. is Let not the Catholique suffer his Aduersary to leape from pale to pearch and from one Controuersie to another vntill he be conuinced of errour in his beleefe and this by the onlie vvritten vvord The 5. is The Sectarie not proouing by the onlie vvritten vvord that which he promised as not able to performe it the Catholique must constraine ether him or some els there present to subscribe that he could not prooue what he vndertooke in such sort as he ought to haue donne The 6. and last is The Catholique must confer and consider with attention the places of Scripture alledged by Sectaries to disproue our doctrine for ordinarilie they make no more to the purpose then appeare to a nut For example to prooue that vve must beleeue the onlie vvritten vvord they bring forth these places Deuter 4. v. 2. Deuter. 12. v. 32. Galat. 1. v. 8. Apocalip 22. v. 18. which make nothing against vs or for them For by the first and second we should according to the sense of our aduersaries beleeue nought els but that which is in the Deuteronomie by the third nothing but that epistle of S. Paul by the last nought els but the Apocalipse See theire madnes and foolery and looke to theire water

but your eyes and skill to reade to see whether that be in the pure word or no. And that your Ministers preach that the Scripture is easie and that euery one there may learne his owne saluation you vnderstand I ame sure signification of English why then finde you not in the pure word that which the Ministers make you beleeue Assure your selues if you find it not it is because it is not there Confront therfore the place cited in the margent of the article with the article and you shall see how egregiously you are mocked And that you may see this more manifestly doe this following Write in one line one article or if it haue many partes one only clause of the same And if you finde any text of Scripture cited for that article or peece therof write in a second line the words of the text cited vnder the other line If you find no text cited as in many places there is not put vnder the first line a cypher for that if there were any text to authorize that article it would be cited This being donne compare the first line with the second If you find in the second line a cypher you are cleerly cosened If you find a text of Scripture see if that being precisely taken without medly of some thing els that is to say you must vnderstande this signifieth or the like containe that article proposed if it do not know that you are deceaued I my self haue paralelled these articles with the textes alledged in the margent take you but the like paines and I will assure you that in steed of the pure word you shall oft tymes finde a cypher other tymes in the text cited you shall not find one worde of the article and in breefe you shall not find there one article or entiere clause of those in Controuersy between vs. Behold how you are deluded ARTICLES OF THE CONFESSION OF FAITH OF the pretended reformed Churchs confronted with the pure word of holy writt Where it is euidently shewed that the textes of Scripture euen in the Geneua Bible cited in the margent of these articles conteine nothing of that which those articles teach against the Catholick faith which is A breefe easy meanes by which euery Caluinist may manifestlie perceaue how he is abused and wherby each Catholicke may shew the same vnto him To saue you the paines deceaued Countrymen which I wished you to take I haue heere confronted the articles of your faith controuerted with the places cited in the margēt after the fashion before sett downe and haue cited these textes according to the Geneua translation Compare them with me beginning at the 24. article In this article these clauses following are sett downe without any text cited in the margent for proof of any of them wherfore in steede of Scripture I wil giue you vnder euery clause for proofe a Cypher Article 24. 1. VVe hold that Purgatory is an Illusion Proofe o. 2. By the abuse and deceipt of Sathan Monasticall vovves vvere introduced Proofe o. 3. Out of the same vvare-hovvse proceeded Pilgrimages Proofe o. 4. Out of the same vvare-hovvse vvas brought in Auricular Confession Proofe o. 5. Out of the same vvare-hovvse sprang Indulgenees Proofe o. 6. Out of the same vvare-hovvse proceeded all other things by vvhich vve thinke to merite grace and saluation Proofe o. 7. VVe reiect all others meanes vvhich men presume to haue to reconcile themselues to God as derogatory from the death and passion of Iesus Christ. Proofe o. 8. It is lavvfull for vs to pray but only according to that forme vvhich God sett dovvne in his vvord Proofe o. In the 31. article you say The estate of the Church in our times vvas interrupted and hath failed that God hath raised some after an extraordinary manner to renevv the same being ruinated and desolate Proofe o. Behold how the Ministers and theyr Confession of faith do abuse you and how often in one only article They promise you not to instruct you but by the holy Scripture and proposing vnto you all these clauses to be beleeued they prooue none of them by any text of Scripture nor bring as much as one place of Scripture for confirmation of them Examine the articles you will finde more then a hundred clauses as well affirmatiues as negatiues for proofe wherof there is no text coated because in deed they haue it not iudge then if you be abused or no. And who I pray you can in equity accuse another vnles he produce some lawe commaunding or prohibiting some thing violated by the party accused Euery accusation commended to be truly an accusation not a calumny must be founded vpon the breach of some lawe and accompanied with it proofes These Reformers doe not only accuse but making themselues iudges doe condemne of Superstitions forgery and high treason against the deuine Maiesty the holy Fathers and vs all besides in those 8. poyntes sett downe and in diuers others which I omitt pronouncing theyr bloody sentence by which they declare both them and vs to be superstitious deceauers instruments of sathan in the promulgations of those diuelish illusions rehearsed This sentence pronounced for execution of the same they haue ouerthrowen our Monasteries prophaned our holy places and set fire on our Churches Of what crime doe they accuse vs do they condemne vs what deuine law doe they prooue to haue ben violated by vs They neyther prooue nor so much as cite any law any letter of holy write against which the holy Fathers we haue offended And yet they accuse vs they condemne vs. Shameles wretches but yet withall impudent liars They promise not to behaue themselues but only as instruments of the holy Scripture and not to propose ought but that And yet they pronounce the eight forsayd sentences without citing one sole passage of the Scripture See o you sectaries how palpably they abuse you But to see this more cleerly and withall to take away from the Ministers all meanes to circumuent you to your vtter ruine Consider with like attention that which ensueth In the 5. article they wold make you beleeue that the pure word which is conteined in the bookes of holy Scripture is the rule of all truth and that nothing must be beleeued but that which is in the pure word This article is of great consequence for reposing and grounding your selues vppon this and not vppon any other thing you reiect all the traditions of the Romane Church you giue your sentences of condemnation against vs you will not allow of neyther Antiquity nor Custome nor Multitude nor Humane wisedome nor Sentences nor Inhibitions nor Edicts nor Lawes nor Councells nor Visions nor Miracles And albeit all these make against your doctrine you make no bones thereof you scorne them all saying that you will nothing but the pure Scripture all the rest proceeds from men subiect vnto errours and that all other things must be examined ruled and reformed according to

it belongs to Aristotle to iudge if the consequence be good or no the Minister building vpon consequence must admitt for his iudge in the controuersies of our fayth not the pure Scripture but Aristotle or els at least choose for vmpyre in this cause the word of God together with Aristotle 3. You must demaund of the Minister if the Scripture do teach that one must beleeue as an article of faith not only that which the Scripture saith but also that which by necessary consequence followeth therevpon or no if he say so make him shew the text which without doubt he cannot throughout the whole bible if no such be founde then doth the Minister build his articles of fayth vpon a proposition which is not in the pure word to witt vpon this That that which followeth out of Scripture by necessary consequence must be beleeued as an article of saith Howbeit the Scripture frames no such article but the Minister only and that not by the pure Scripture but by humane reason from which notwithstanding in his 5. Article he disclaimed wholy For he wold haue vs take at his handes for an article of faith that proposition which by consequence followeth out of the Scripture though the termes of that proposition deduced out of Scripture for an article of fayth be not there sett downe Hence is it that all the articles of the Confession of these sectaries which are founded vpon a consequence are not articles of fayth being that they haue not for them theyr only rule of truth the sole Scripture Heere againe you must hold him They will say perauenture that IESVS Christ and the Apostles proued many thinges by consequence I graunt it But in so doing they themselues made new Scriptures or holy write which priuiledge I thinke the Minister haue not But they neuer taught that the Scripture which they alledged was the singular and sole rule of all truth and that they spake not but by the mouth of the Scripture as these Pretenders professe and thyr poore flocke which thinke they are as good as theyr wordes persuade themselues 3. If he that buckle with the Minister be learned and will after he hath often driuen the deere from his fortresse of the pure worde course him alonge the plaine champion of humane and philosophicall reasons though according to my aduise it be ordinarily more expedient to content our selues with that before sett downe for to cure him if it be possible after the aboue said he may passe to the examen of the truth or falshod of his consequence whether the propositions from which it is deduced be they taken from philosophy or holy writt be true or false and whether the forme of the argument be according to the rules of Philosophy and so deny that which the Minister assumed falsly Still hauing in minde that the Minister is putt to the proofe not the Catholick who beares the personne of the party instructed be sure not to change that personne For the drift of all the Ministers fetches is to vnload himself of that obligation to prooue his consequence which he will bring to passe by this sleight if he can make him that defends the disputant For example In the argument proposed That body which is in heauen is not on the earth The body of Iesus Christ is in heauen Therfore it is not on the earth You shall deny the first proposition and lett the Minister prooue it If that his proofes come on to long he enter to farre into Philosophicall quiddities lett the Catholicke note that it is in his free choice to curbe the Minister short when he listeth demaunding him if all the propositions which he hath brought to prooue his consequence be in the Scripture or no. If they be lett him bring them forth Many of them questionles are drawne out of Philosophy or grounded vpon humane reasons If they be not the Minister which out of them inferres his consequence doth not deduce it out of the pure word or which is all one prooues not by consequence deduced out of the pure and only word that the Catholicke erreth which was that he vndertooke and moreouer denieth his Cōfession of faith for he drawes his cōsequence ioyntly out of the word of God and out of diuers propositions which are not in holie write Is not this to flinch from their worde and to renounce their articles of faith or rather do not the Minister his confession of faith abuse people in promising that which they neither do nor canne performe Behold a breefe and easy methode to encounter all Ministers and Sectaries Is it not obuious euen for those who are not students in deuinity to putt it in practise There needs no more but eyes to see and to vnderstande English to know if the pure word without additions interpretations or consequences of others do say such a thing or no. Do you not by this meanes euidently perceaue that all the Ministers are abusers and how the whole troope of Sectaries is misledde Yea I dare say double abusers For first the Minister abuseth men in that he promiseth by the pure word to shew them that which he would haue them beleeue next that he will by the pure word lay open their errours pretended and yett performeth neither the one nor the other Wherfore the Ministers promising in their 31. and 5. articles to performe them both and yet effecting neither as by the forsaid practise is made euident are impostours and double impostours as this methode which euery Catholick may vse doth apparently declare And so I haue fulfilled my promise which was to lay downe a short and easie methode by which all Catholiques may euidently shew that each Minister in all and euery point of his pretended religion is an abuser consequently that all their followers are abused This therfore is my aduice to all Sectaries to those especially which seeke sincerly theyr Saluation Your Confession promiseth you the pure word of God and you suppose that according to that promise there is nothing in your articles of fayth which is not in the pure word Practise this methode and you shall euidently and easily perceaue how you are abused Place on the one syde the Principall articles of your faith which I haue cited before That original sinne remaines after Baptisme as it is a fault That Iesus Christ is our only Aduocate That faith alone iustifieth and which is cheefe of all That the B. Sacrament is a figure of the body of our Sauiour which is eaten by faith Then ouer against each of these articles set downe the textes which are cited in the margent for eache of them doubtles if you had any plaine text of Scripture which taught that which is in that articles it wold haue been coated in the margent you shall cleerly see that the pure word setting aside interpretations and Ministeriall consequences hath not that which is in your article neither is there required ought