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A09104 A little treatise concerning trial of spirits: taken for the most part our of the works of the R.F. Robert Parsons, of the Societie of Iesus. Whereunto is added a comparison of a true Roman Catholike with a Protestant, wherby may bee discouered the difference of their spirits. With an appendix taken out of a later writer Parsons, Robert, 1546-1610. 1620 (1620) STC 19410; ESTC S119802 23,165 70

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