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of_o this_o treatise_n in_o this_o particular_a but_o not_o to_o forget_v what_o we_o note_v touch_v beza_n other_a testimony_n on_o matth._n 3._o this_o place_n clear_v beza_n intent_n there_o speak_v of_o adult_n person_n it_o may_v be_v affirm_v such_o must_v be_v as_o the_o catechuman_n of_o old_a in_o point_n of_o confession_n before_o baptism_n and_o yet_o the_o same_o author_n never_o intend_v by_o that_o assertion_n to_o exclude_v child_n of_o such_o as_o do_v make_v such_o confession_n of_o faith_n and_o repentance_n from_o baptism_n beza_n which_o hold_v this_o forth_o here_o yet_o here_o also_o refute_v that_o as_o error_n in_o catabaptist_n to_o deny_v paedobaptism_n so_o that_o still_o here_o be_v the_o old_a fallacy_n à _fw-la dicto_fw-la secundum_fw-la quid_fw-la ad_fw-la simpliciter_fw-la dictum_fw-la sect_n vi_o the_o next_o author_n quote_v proposition_n 1._o scil_n strigelius_n upon_o act_n the_o 8_o as_o say_v that_o to_o be_v baptize_v in_o the_o name_n of_o jesus_n be_v to_o be_v baptize_v in_o acknowledge_v and_o confess_v the_o name_n of_o jesus_n i_o have_v not_o and_o therefore_o can_v examine_v the_o same_o albeit_o this_o sano_fw-la sensu_fw-la hinder_v not_o we_o in_o that_o when_o parent_n offer_v their_o child_n to_o baptism_n the_o name_n of_o the_o lord_n jesus_n be_v confess_v and_o acknowledge_v the_o next_o testimony_n be_v of_o luther_n proposition_n 1_o whereupon_o gen._n 48._o he_o be_v say_v to_o affirm_v before_o we_o receive_v the_o sacrament_n of_o baptism_n and_o the_o lord_n supper_n we_o must_v have_v faith_n and_o in_o another_o place_n as_o quote_v heb._n 2._o 4._o rom._n 1._o 17._o heb._n 10._o 38._o mark_v 16._o 28._o act._n 8._o 36._o and_o rom._n 10._o 10._o to_o prove_v that_o faith_n be_v require_v to_o baptism_n and_o that_o without_o faith_n the_o sacrament_n profit_v not_o but_o hurt_v rather_o the_o receiver_n and_o proposition_n 3._o he_o be_v quote_v again_o in_o his_o book_n of_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n as_o speak_v like_o word_n and_o say_v wherefore_o we_o hold_v ourselves_o to_o the_o word_n of_o christ_n he_o that_o believe_v and_o be_v baptize_v so_o that_o before_o or_o else_o even_o then_o present_a when_o baptism_n be_v administer_v there_o must_v needs_o be_v faith_n or_o else_o there_o be_v contempt_n of_o the_o divine_a majesty_n who_o offer_v present_a grace_n when_o as_o there_o be_v none_o receive_v it_o and_o proposition_n 5._o luther_n upon_o give_v and_o receive_v the_o sacrament_n tom._n 3._o be_v say_v to_o write_v that_o in_o time_n past_o it_o be_v thus_o that_o the_o sacrament_n be_v administer_v to_o none_o except_o it_o be_v to_o those_o which_o acknowledge_v and_o confess_v their_o faith_n and_o know_v how_o to_o receive_v the_o same_o etc._n etc._n and_o proposition_n 7._o in_o his_o book_n of_o anabaptism_n he_o be_v say_v to_o acknowledge_v that_o it_o can_v be_v prove_v by_o scripture_n that_o child_n baptism_n be_v institute_v by_o christ_n or_o begin_v by_o the_o first_o christian_n after_o the_o apostle_n for_o a_o 1000_o year_n since_o it_o come_v to_o be_v in_o use_n in_o the_o church_n and_o be_v establish_v by_o pope_n innocentius_n this_o place_n also_o do_v a._n r._n quote_v in_o his_o second_o part_n of_o childish_a baptism_n pag._n 8._o and_o proposition_n 8._o luther_n be_v again_o quote_v as_o speak_v thus_o in_o his_o postil_v young_a child_n hear_v not_o nor_o understand_v the_o word_n of_o god_n out_o of_o which_o faith_n come_v and_o therefore_o if_o so_o be_v that_o commandment_n of_o christ_n be_v follow_v child_n ought_v not_o to_o be_v baptize_v now_o as_o for_o these_o testimony_n of_o luther_n i_o not_o have_v nor_o be_v able_a to_o procure_v near_o hand_n the_o sight_n of_o all_o his_o tome_n i_o shall_v not_o be_v so_o able_a to_o discover_v the_o legerdemain_n which_o i_o very_o suspect_v in_o cite_v his_o testimony_n as_o well_o as_o those_o of_o some_o other_o yet_o luther_n meaning_n in_o the_o 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as_o we_o have_v but_o yet_o not_o nourish_v as_o we_o be_v and_o therefore_o that_o tenant_n of_o anabaptist_n be_v impious_a and_o odious_a who_o therefore_o deny_v baptism_n to_o infant_n because_o they_o want_v sense_n and_o understanding_n nor_o do_v they_o know_v what_o be_v do_v about_o they_o to_o we_o they_o understand_v not_o by_o we_o they_o be_v judge_v to_o want_v sense_n and_o understanding_n but_o it_o be_v not_o so_o to_o god_n who_o work_n they_o be_v for_o god_n as_o he_o nourish_v they_o otherwise_o then_o he_o do_v we_o so_o do_v he_o otherwise_o move_v their_o heart_n etc._n etc._n another_o answer_n of_o his_o see_v in_o his_o second_o tome_n lib._n the_o captiv_n babyl_n title_n of_o baptism_n he_o say_v have_v speak_v before_o of_o faith_n as_o requisite_a to_o the_o application_n of_o the_o promise_n opponetur_fw-la forsan_fw-la iis_fw-la etc._n etc._n it_o may_v be_v to_o the_o thing_n before_o speak_v the_o baptism_n of_o infant_n will_v be_v oppose_v which_o 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dispute_n against_o paedobaptism_n because_o if_o baptize_v say_v some_o when_o a_o infant_n and_o not_o believe_v than_o not_o right_o baptize_v and_o so_o that_o baptism_n be_v nothing_o to_o which_o say_v luther_n this_o be_v nothing_o else_o then_o if_o it_o shall_v be_v say_v if_o thou_o believe_v not_o when_o thou_o partake_v of_o the_o word_n or_o sacrament_n it_o be_v nothing_o and_o so_o they_o only_o that_o true_o believe_v be_v true_o baptize_v and_o other_o baptize_v which_o do_v not_o believe_v they_o be_v again_o to_o be_v baptize_v when_o they_o do_v believe_v scil_n albeit_o grow_a one_o when_o baptize_v if_o then_o hypocrite_n as_o for_o luther_n other_n two_o speech_n mention_v proposition_n 7._o and_o 8._o i_o somewhat_o wonder_v if_o he_o shall_v utter_v they_o as_o here_o express_v that_o in_o that_o book_n style_v lutheri_n antilutherana_n opera_fw-la fratris_fw-la joan._n apobolymaei_n alias_o findel_v minoritae_n they_o be_v not_o mention_v the_o scope_n of_o the_o book_n be_v to_o gather_v up_o all_o luther_n seem_a contradiction_n and_o he_o instance_v in_o the_o other_o de_fw-fr captiv_n babyl_n before_o mention_v it_o be_v strange_a that_o he_o miss_v those_o if_o thus_o write_v since_o it_o be_v evident_a both_o by_o that_o expression_n in_o luther_n great_a catechism_n tom._n 3._o when_o he_o say_v after_o the_o same_o manner_n do_v we_o when_o we_o give_v baptism_n to_o little_a one_o we_o bring_v the_o child_n to_o the_o minister_n of_o the_o church_n with_o this_o mind_n and_o hope_n that_o very_o it_o may_v believe_v but_o we_o do_v not_o baptize_v it_o for_o those_o thing_n but_o rather_o because_o god_n have_v command_v we_o so_o to_o do_v so_o in_o that_o famous_a story_n of_o the_o concord_n between_o luther_n and_o the_o divine_n which_o follow_v he_o and_o
and_o second_o book_n of_o the_o epistle_n of_o zwinglius_fw-la and_o oecolampadius_n they_o give_v ground_n from_o scripture_n to_o the_o contrary_n see_v l._n 1._o epist_n zwingl_n ad_fw-la dilectos_fw-la fratres_fw-la i_o will_v now_o tell_v you_o from_o what_o ground_n of_o scripture_n i_o judge_v infant_n to_o be_v baptize_v etc._n etc._n and_o l._n 2._o in_o his_o epist_n bercktold_v and_o francis_n preacher_n at_o berne_n he_o say_v peremptory_o contra_fw-la scripturas_fw-la ergo_fw-la fecissent_fw-la apostoli_fw-la si_fw-la infantibus_fw-la negavissent_fw-la baptismum_fw-la the_o apostle_n therefore_o have_v do_v contrary_a to_o scripture_n if_o they_o have_v deny_v baptism_n to_o infant_n see_v more_o of_o oecolampadius_n his_o mind_n too_o herein_o in_o his_o epist_n to_o zwinglius_fw-la and_o in_o that_o to_o the_o preacher_n at_o berne_n here_o therefore_o be_v two_o more_o witness_n abuse_v in_o this_o treatise_n chap._n vi_o here_o the_o author_n forget_v and_o mistake_v their_o own_o witness_n name_n they_o be_v in_o such_o a_o hurry_n they_o bring_v in_o proof_n that_o the_o teacher_n according_a to_o the_o ancient_a father_n right_o do_v so_o and_o so_o make_v the_o father_n and_o those_o teacher_n distinct_a as_o person_n of_o who_o the_o testimony_n be_v bring_v and_o as_o witness_n by_o who_o and_o yet_o in_o the_o proof_n the_o ancient_a father_n themselves_o be_v the_o witness_n of_o what_o be_v do_v by_o those_o teacher_n after_o they_o as_o hilary_n tertullian_n arnobius_n ambrose_n etc._n etc._n these_o may_v say_v what_o be_v in_o their_o time_n but_o can_v say_v what_o teacher_n after_o they_o will_v do_v or_o practice_v unless_o the_o author_n can_v by_o a_o spell_n play_v the_o witch_n of_o endor_n trick_n to_o fetch_v up_o old_a samuel_n in_o his_o likeness_n to_o speak_v after_o he_o be_v dead_a sect_n i._o but_o let_v we_o hear_v what_o any_o of_o they_o say_v if_o we_o have_v not_o hear_v it_o before_o hilary_n hilary_n as_o for_o hilary_n testimony_n of_o his_o own_o baptism_n it_o be_v not_o material_a we_o mention_v he_o among_o the_o author_n instance_n of_o adult_n person_n baptize_v proposition_n 3._o as_o for_o his_o interpretation_n of_o baptise_v in_o or_o upon_o the_o name_n that_o be_v upon_o confession_n of_o the_o beginner_n it_o be_v as_o easy_o reject_v as_o urge_v unless_o his_o ground_n be_v show_v or_o be_v scripture_n proof_n sect_n ii_o ambrose_n ambrose_n the_o next_o witness_n be_v ambrose_n de_fw-fr spiritu_fw-la sancto_fw-la l._n 2._o in_o our_o sacrament_n there_o be_v three_o question_n propound_v and_o three_o confession_n make_v without_o which_o three_o question_n no_o man_n can_v be_v wash_v if_o mr._n b_n answer_n be_v good_a to_o that_o part_n of_o tertullian_n in_o the_o begin_n of_o his_o book_n de_fw-fr baptismo_fw-la mention_v that_o a_o man_n without_o cost_n or_o pomp_n be_v let_v down_o into_o the_o water_n observe_v say_v mr._n b._n that_o he_o speak_v of_o a_o man_n not_o of_o a_o infant_n so_o i_o may_v as_o well_o say_v here_o he_o speak_v of_o a_o man_n baptism_n not_o of_o a_o infant_n which_o then_o also_o be_v in_o use_n but_o that_o i_o fear_v some_o body_n will_v sit_v upon_o my_o skirt_n present_o and_o ask_v i_o whether_o a_o infant_n be_v not_o sub_fw-la genere_fw-la isto_fw-la subalterno_fw-la hominis_fw-la whether_o a_o infant_n be_v not_o homo_fw-la and_o i_o ever_o think_v before_o mr._n b._n help_v i_o with_o that_o distinction_n that_o when_o the_o scripture_n say_v it_o be_v appoint_v to_o all_o man_n once_o to_o die_v etc._n etc._n heb._n 9_o that_o infant_n also_o be_v there_o count_v man_n to_o die_v as_o well_o as_o other_o not_o to_o mention_v other_o place_n of_o scripture_n or_o author_n for_o the_o use_n of_o the_o word_n that_o way_n and_o i_o wonder_v mr._n b._n when_o he_o suppose_v rom._n 5._o 18._o make_v for_o his_o fancy_n of_o general_a redemption_n of_o child_n whether_o of_o pagan_n or_o christian_n than_o infant_n be_v man_n on_o who_o the_o free_a gift_n come_v and_o yet_o here_o homo_fw-la demissus_fw-la in_o aquam_fw-la in_o tertullian_n must_v be_v only_o a_o grow_a man_n not_o infant_n as_o if_o infant_n now_o be_v not_o homo_fw-la but_o this_o answer_n must_v be_v better_o ground_v or_o else_o i_o shall_v keep_v my_o opinion_n that_o as_o a_o infant_n be_v homo_fw-la so_o tertullia_n testimony_n there_o speak_v indefinite_o of_o any_o baptize_v person_n man_n or_o woman_n infant_n youth_n or_o ripe_a person_n etc._n etc._n he_o do_v bear_v implicit_a testimony_n in_o that_o very_a place_n to_o paedobaptism_n as_o in_o his_o time_n but_o to_o return_v to_o ambrose_n i_o say_v that_o in_o ambrose_n his_o time_n such_o confession_n and_o question_n be_v and_o infant_n be_v baptize_v too_o that_o corruption_n be_v then_o in_o use_n of_o add_v to_o infant_n baptism_n interrogation_n to_o they_o that_o bring_v they_o to_o baptism_n which_o answer_v in_o their_o name_n and_o make_v confession_n 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