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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A15978	[A notable discourse, plainelye and truely discussing, who are the right ministers of the Catholike Church written against Calvin and his disciples, ... with an offer made by a Catholike to be a learned Protestant ... .]; Marques de la vraye église catholique. English	Albin de Valsergues, Jean d', d. 1566.; Rishton, Edward, 1550-1586, attributed name. aut; Allen, William, 1532-1594.	1575 (1575)	STC 274; ESTC S112318	85,201	271

their time He saith likewise vnto the Traditions which are of the Apostles and that by succession of pastors haue bene vsed in the Churche we do persuade prouoke those that speake against Traditions He writes as much more in the thirde Chapter of the saide booke Forasmuch sayth he as it were to tedious to set forth in one booke the Successours of all the Churches and to tell them one by one we doo ouerthrowe those that for vayne glorie doo seeke to gather disciples together teaching them contrary to that that doth apperteyn vnto the Traditions of the Apostles the which we doo shewe to them by the saide Traditions and by the faith that hath bene taught and is come to vs by succession of the Bishops of the great and auncient Church of Rome the which was founded by the two glorious Martyrs and Apostles S. Peter and S. Paule These are his wordes in his thirde booke aduersus haereses the fyfth Chapter And at the beginning of the saide Chapter he saith thus All those that will vnderstand the truth may presently regard the traditions of the Apostles which are manifest throughout the world and we cannot coumpt the number of those that haue bene instituted and ordeyned Bishops in the Churche their Successoures till our dayes which haue neither knowen nor taughte anye thing like vnto the fables and tales that these doo preache vnto vs c. Not without cause wee may nowe a dayes say the like of the Lutherans Caluinistes other sectes of our time After this he doeth set forth all the Popes of Rome from S. Peter vnto Eleutherius which was Pope in his time And he did affirme that that number did suffise to proue that the doctrine of Marcian and Valentinian was false and very hurtfull because that it was vnknowen or at the least not receaued or approued by the Churche being vnder the gouernaunce of any of those Popes Then with greater reason ought prescriptioÌ„ to take place against a new doctrine which hath beene vnknowen this 1500. yeres or at the least if any bodie sought to publishe it he was condemned as a false pernitious heretike Â¶ The .6 Chapter S. Augustine in his Epistle 365. about the like matter doeth set forth all the Popes by order which haue bene from S. Peters time vntil Anastasius which was pope in his time and by his continuall succession he doeth proue that the doctrine of the Donatists is heretical because that none of those popes which he did recite nor no part of the Churche did receaue it I pray you maye not we saye the like by the Caluinistes and other heretikes The saide S. Augustine in the Epistle that he doth call Epistola fundamenti Cap. 4. doeth write the reasons that did keepe him vnder the obedience of the Catholike Romane Church And amonge other he doeth alleage the common consent of all nations and the continuall succession of Bishops And in his booke which he made against the aduersarie of the olde and newe lawe he doeth name the succession of the bishops as most certain to answer to that that we sayd before of S. Paul I mean that he would not haue vs to be wauering doubtfull in our doctrin but that we should be firm stable the which stablenes is obteined by the knowledge and intelligence of the Scriptures according to the traditions of the Churche and the succession of the Apostles and Bishops The Churche saieth S. Augustine froÌ„ the Apostles time hath continued through the certaine succession of the Bishops vntill our dayes Â¶ The .7 Chapter YOu doo studie as muche as you canne to reiect our succession and not without cause knowing that this onely doeth suffise to ouerthrowe all the heresies of those new reformed Gospellers Caluin as the moste apparant doth seeke to proue that our reason is of no force because that the Greekes haue had euer succession of Pastours and yet we doo not holde them as Catholikes But if the Reader doo well note that that we haue alreadie sayde he shall finde the aunswere vnto this obiection I meane because that the Greekes haue not had succession and continuaunce of doctrine called vnitie of fayth by the Apostles the which ought euer to be ioyned to the continuaunce of the Pastors to shew the true recognisaunce of the Catholike religion There is none that doo study reade of those matters but that doo know the vnconstant faith of the Greekes as touching the proceeding of the holye ghoste the which errour they had abiured at the last Councell of Florence and yet notwithstanding they did turne to it againe besides diuers other light thinges to speake moderatelye which are not approued by their auncient fathers S. Iohn Chrisostome S. Cirill S. Basil and Athanasius nor yet by our aduersaries at this present time The which errours I haue no neede to set foorth in this booke for my intent is but to speake of that that prickes vs at hande because of ill neighborhood Some doo alleage vnto vs the negligence of our pastors and their ill liues for the which cause they say that the meÌ„tioned succession cannot take place But this argument is of no force For althogh that the carelesse liues of some Bisshops and ecclesiasticall persons haue bene so great and so hurtfull vnto the blud of our Sauior Christ I mean to the soules bought with it yet notwithstanding that the Churche hath not lost the succession continuaunce of one doctrine as touching the administration of the Sacramentes by those that were deputed by the Bisshops If one should see a Prelate doing nothing and his lieftenant doing all which of those two woulde you take to be Bishop they haue both deuided their charges the one receueth the profite the other takes all the payne If they be both content what losse doo you feele he that hath anye interest let him valewe the damage And although that the negligence of the Bishop be not excusable before God with the diligence of the deputie nor his conscience cleere yet this ought to suffise that though his faultes be through negligence or through euil liuing yet that ought not to perturbe the assurance of our doctrin the which wee haue taught vs by the word of God interpreted by the true doctours that haue bene before vs agreing in vnitie of faith as I haue alredie said For neither the naughtines of Achas Num. 1. nor of Ioram nor of diuers other great sinners which are inrolled in the booke of the generation of Iesus Christe were not able to withstande the fulfilling of the promise of God made to Abraham that is to sai that he would be borne of this line Euen so the ill liues and conuersatioÌ„ of diuers wicked Popes that haue folowed after Saint Peter haue neuer beene able to moue Christe to breake his promise that is to saye that the fayth of his Churche shoulde neuer fayle Math. 16. and that the gates of hell that is to saye of

woulde be mercifull to them because their error proceeded of ignoraunce and so that he will haue pitie of vs because of ours But I knowe that you will say that we are nowe vnexcusable because that wee do refuse the truth that you do preach By the selfe same reason our auncesters can alleage before God no good excuse forasmuch as they do make no accompt of the receauing of such ministers as you are and that haue preched the like Gospell that you doo announce vnto vs S. Hierome and al the Christians of his time are then condemned because they woulde not receaue the Gospell of Vigilantius who did euen as you doo preache that we shoulde not allowe the exposition of the doctours nor honour the relicques of Martyrs S. Augustine is likewise condemned because he wrote preached against the Arrians who taught as you do that it is an offence to pray for the dead And to be briefe if that which you doo preach ought to be called the Gospel and true word of God since the Apostles time ther hath bene neuer a Christian Doctour in the Church for they haue all taught the contrarye to your forged Gospell as euery man may see that will take the payne but to looke in their workes or to reade those places that are quoted by me and diuers others that haue confuted your heresies manye a hundred yeere agone by their authorities Let them then that haue any eyes beholde the hazarde that ye runne into and so manye others throughout the worlde which folowe your opinion If one shoulde come to accuse another of falsehoode and that before he be assured of this matter wherewith he did seeke to attaynt the defendaunt woulde not one thinke his matter verye great or his knowledge very small to run headlong into the daunger of that crime which if he could not proue he shoulde be condemned for himselfe What then shall become of you O most simple sheepe which seeke with fayned arguments to condemne not one or two but all the Christians and Catholikes that haue bene in this worlde since the Passion of Christ the which haue refused and reproued your doctrine as hereticall haue taught vs this that wee holde at this day But now to aunswer vnto that that was mentioned a litle before and that which a number of your flocke haue told me when I haue coÌ„ferred with them which is that the errour of our predecessours was not imputed vnto theÌ„ forasmuch as these good simple people went to worke after the grossest sort thinking to doo well and that as then they did not vnderstande well the truth which is nowe brought to light through your Gospell I saye that in this ye are deceaued more then halfe the value of your religion for before some of them dyed they had forgotten more then euer you haue learned for all that that you know you haue learned it of their bookes or stollen it to say the truth interpreting both their workes and the Scriptures contrary to the truth of their meaning And although it were so that they had al erred your colored excuse of simplicitie could auaile them nothing for the worde of God would accuse them If the Gospell saith S. Paule had bene hidden it hath bene hidden to those that haue perished the spirites of the which the God of this world hath blinded then if that those vnto whom the truth hath beene hiddeÌ„ haue perished wherfore doth your excuse serue them This being true as it is moste like I meane that they haue not erred nor that you onely shal be saued and they all condemned To my iudgement our auncesters with all their simplicitie did neuer erre so muche as your disciples doo to folowe such masters as condemne that faith that the catholike church hath taught mainteyned these 1500 yeres to mainteyn those heresies that haue bene buried in hel many an hundred yere agone and nowe are called vp againe by Martin Luther Caluin and his felowes Â¶ The .40 Chapter YF that by a good and a right title your disciples call them selues the children of god this makes me beleue that the saying of our Sauiour is fulfilled in them the which is The childreÌ„ of this world are wiser in their generation then the children of light To proue this true we see this daily experience for a wise worldly man when he doth put out his money to gayne he will not trust the promise so soone of one or two or three as he will doo the bondes of a whole Towne or Citie that should warrant or assure his gayne But you nor your disciples haue not done thus but rather the contrarye It had bene better for you to haue fyrste put youre fayth and truste in God beleeuing that he hath geuen his holye spirite and declared the meaning as touching the Scriptures vnto the Catholike Churche and not to hazarde the hope of your saluation putting it into the handes of Luther Zuinglius Oecolampadius and three or fowre other such pelting merchantes which haue newly set vp shoppes at Wittemberge Geneua and Losane which one of these dayes we shall see bankruptes as their predecessours haue bene before them the which after that they had deceaued the poore simple Catholikes and gayned some of their soules for the deuill they haue at the laste solde all theyr their honestie and credite so that at this daye except that it be those that reade the auncient historyes no bodye els doth remember that euer they liued in the world You are come now last of al to make vp their merchaundise but your credite can hardlye be good before God for you shall haue against you all the auncient Catholike Churche which hath continued visible since the comming of Christe vnto this daye all the doctours of all the vniuersities all the Empires Kingdomes and priuate state throughout all the worlde which haue receaued honoured this doctrine that you call Papistical And if you saye that you will not trust men but the very word of the Lord we agree to the like that we ought all to beleue the Scripture but we vary about the interpretation for you interprete it after one sort and we after another you expounde it after a new sort and the Catholike Churche doth folowe the olde exposition of the auncient Doctours and traditions which you haue forsaken or to saye the truth your Ministers haue led the sheepe astraye from the olde flocke at the departing from the which they haue bene all scatered abroade some folowing Luther some Caluine some the Anabaptists and so forth for the which the Popes and kinges and others that haue had the gouernment of the Churche shal answere at the last day of iudgement for as much as while they slept you haue come and sowed weedes among the good corne Then seeing you are the sheepe that rome astray what excuse can they make before God that wilfully folowe your steppes We confesse that we are the poore sheepe of God

that is right to euery body and not depriue any man of the praise that he doth deserue And so I say all the Catholike Churche is bound to geue prayse and thankes to Luther for the memorable good wise counsel that he hath geueÌ„ for he hath taught vs how we shal expel ouerthrow not only the heresies that he did preache vnto vs but likewise yours those of all the rest For if it be so that euery time that god will chaunge the ordinarie custome suche as ours to an extraordinarye suche as yours there ought miracles to be shewed by those that come extraordinarily By this good godly aduise we knowe that Martin Luther nor none of you all which doo come extraordinarily as he did do come from God but rather from the prince of darknes Caluin doth confirme this opinion of Luther as touching the vocation of the ministerie for vpon the thirde Chapter of S. Luke in his harmonie he doeth say thus None ought to attribute vnto himselfe by authoritie any office forasmuch as it is great temeritie such persons did nothing of them selues except it were being called to it by God. Of this we gather we ought to enterprise nothing of our selues for if that the great Prophets haue attended to be called of God what are those that in these dayes take it vpon them of them selues we ought to answere that they are presumptuous felowes c. like vnto Caluin and his felowes Â¶ The .23 Chapter ALthough that by the testimonie of your owne doctoures ye are condemned yet you doo still mainteyne your yll cause saying that ye ought to be receaued to preache the Gospell extraordinarily that is to saye without the commission of the Pastors Bishops being those that are sent vs by the permission and ordinaunce of god And you say to mainteine your Commission extraordinarie that you haue the holye Scriptures which you doo alleage the which alone ought in this behalfe to be of more credite then all the miracles that euer the Apostles did For it maye so chaunce that by subtill deuises and impostures of the deuill miracles maye be falselye counterfaited but not the Scripture which is the touchstone of the truth as it shal be seene by experience when the childe of perdition otherwise called Antichriste shall come For he to confyrme his saying shall shewe such great Signes and Miracles that the verye electe shoulde be seduced if it were possible Nowe to aunswere vnto this which is a notable waye to deceaue the simple and vnlearned I say that if the alleaging of Scriptures shoulde maynteyne you and fauoure your cause so muche as you doo saye our syde were driuen to harde shiftes for then we might bee blamed before the seate of God not onely for not receyuing your Gospell but likewise for refusinge the Gospell of diuers heretikes that haue beene manye hundred yeeres before you were borne which did all alleage the Scriptures as it doeth appere by the three passages written vnto the Hebrewes aboue mentioned By the whiche the Nouatians did pretende to verifye that the mercye of God was denyed vnto him that did offende after his Baptisme ioyned with that that is written in the fyrst booke of the Kinges If man sayde the good Helye doeth sinne agaynst man he maye agree with him agayne but yf he come to offende God who shall he be that shall praye for his sinne Did not the Arrians alleage Scriptures to maynteyne that Christe was not God and manne Yes surelye as manye places or more then the Catholikes Saint Augustine doth write in his booke De haeresibus ad Quoduultdeum That there was in his tyme a certayne secte of heretikes that taughte that for a man to be saued he ought to be gelded And they did alleage the nynetenth Chapiter of Saint Mathewe where CHRISTE doeth prayse the Ennuches whiche haue gelded theym selues for the Kingedome of heauen And if a man were disposed to forge another heresye like this he might soone finde scripture to mainteyne it being yll interpreted for he doth commaund that we shoulde pull out our eyes and to cut off our handes and feete euerye time that through them we are scandalizated for saith he it were better for one to enter blinde or lame into the kingdome of heauen then to be condemned hauing all our members so that taking these words as they are plainly written we ought to cut the members from our body Besydes this he that would forge an heresie somwhat more pleasaunt and easye one might soone doo it the which is that for to go to Paradise we haue no neede of hose shoes or money because that our Sauiour did so commaund it to his Apostles One may likewise proue by the Gospell that we haue no neede of Magistrates nor other Superiours forasmuch as our Sauiour hath said that one is your Lorde and master namely Christe Moreouer a manne maye proue by Scripture that one ought to retayne nothing vnto him selfe if any other demaunde it forasmuche as it is written If one demaunde of you your coate you ought not onely to geue it but your dublet also and if that one geue vs a box on the eare it is not inough to take it patiently but we must turne the other cheeke also Iouinian a great heretike did teache that a Christian after his baptisme doth no more offende God yea that he coulde not although he would Who would not hate suche a blasphemous error as this yet if the alleaging of the Scriptures ought to suffise he maye be preferred before master Caluin as more auncient for he doth alleage S. Iohn in his fyrst Epistle who saith We knowe that he that is borne of God doeth not sin for the generation of God doeth preserue him and the yll spirite shall not touche him And in the same Epistle he sayeth Euery man that is borne of God that is to saye baptised he doeth not sinne for the seede of God doth dwell in him and he cannot sinne for he is borne of god S. Augustine doth write in his .89 epist. ad Hilarium that the Pelagians and Maniches amonge other heresyes that they did mainteyne they sayde that it was impossible for riche men to enter into Paradise vntill they had solde all their goodes and geuen them to the poore and that all things ought to be common The which doctrine is easily to be mainteyned by the Scripture yll vnderstoode for our Sauiour doth saye that for to be his Disciples we must forsake and renounce all that we haue in testimonie of the which the fyrste Christians at Ierusalem did sell all their possessions and presented the money of them to the Apostles to geue to the poore And that that is worse the Adamites did mainteyne a greater errour then this and more brutishe the which is that all mens wiues should be common and they did call this the true Gospel and the pure worde of God alleaging for it the fyrst

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