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matter_n the_o matter_n of_o law_n and_o judgement_n which_o be_v call_v the_o lord_n matter_n because_o the_o lord_n be_v the_o author_n of_o their_o civil_a law_n 24._o what_o a_o crazy_a device_n be_v this_o do_v not_o matter_n of_o peace_n and_o war_n come_v under_o the_o civil_a law_n which_o god_n have_v deliver_v to_o the_o jew_n as_o well_o as_o any_o matter_n of_o judgement_n betwixt_o man_n and_o man_n and_o what_o can_v be_v more_o plain_a than_o that_o the_o lord_n matter_n or_o thing_n pertain_v to_o god_n 5.1_o when_o they_o be_v difference_v from_o other_o matter_n be_v ever_o understand_v to_o be_v matter_n spiritual_a and_o ecclesiastical_a 17._o quapropter_fw-la wherefore_o say_v junius_n the_o reader_n be_v to_o be_v warn_v whosoever_o they_o be_v that_o consult_v the_o history_n of_o ancient_a time_n that_o where_o they_o read_v the_o name_n synedâ—tum_n they_o wise_o observe_v whether_o the_o civil_a assembly_n or_o the_o ecclesiastical_a be_v mean_v of_o because_o that_o name_n be_v confuse_v and_o indistinct_a after_o the_o time_n of_o antiochus_n but_o notwithstanding_o that_o in_o these_o latter_a time_n all_o good_a order_n have_v much_o degenerate_a and_o grow_v to_o confusion_n yet_o it_o seem_v to_o i_o that_o even_o in_o the_o day_n of_o our_o saviour_n christ_n the_o civil_a and_o ecclesiastical_a court_n remain_v distinct_a let_v i_o say_v my_o opinion_n with_o all_o man_n leave_n and_o under_o correction_n of_o the_o more_o learned_a that_o night_n that_o our_o lord_n be_v betray_v he_o be_v lead_v to_o the_o hall_n of_o cajaphas_n where_o there_o be_v hold_v a_o ecclesiastical_a sanedrim_n which_o ask_v jesus_n of_o his_o disciple_n and_o of_o his_o doctrine_n receive_v witness_n against_o he_o and_o pronounce_v he_o guilty_a of_o blasphemy_n mat._n 27.57_o mark_v 14.53.55_o joh._n 18.19_o nothing_o i_o find_v in_o this_o council_n why_o we_o shall_v think_v it_o civil_a for_o as_o touch_v the_o smite_v and_o buffet_n of_o christ_n mat._n 26.67_o luk_n 22.63_o some_o think_v it_o be_v by_o the_o servant_n of_o the_o high_a priest_n and_o elder_n after_o that_o they_o themselves_o have_v go_v home_o &_o leave_v the_o council_n howsoever_o it_o be_v do_v tumultuous_o not_o judicial_o and_o tumult_n may_v fall_v forth_o in_o any_o judicatory_a whether_o civil_a or_o ecclesiastical_a as_o for_o the_o sentence_n which_o they_o give_v mat._n 26.66_o he_o be_v guilty_a of_o death_n it_o prove_v not_o that_o this_o be_v a_o civil_a court_n for_o just_a so_o if_o a_o incestuous_a person_n shall_v be_v convict_v before_o a_o assembly_n of_o our_o church_n the_o moderator_n may_v ask_v the_o assembly_n what_o think_v you_o and_o they_o may_v well_o answer_v he_o be_v guilty_a of_o death_n away_o with_o he_o to_o the_o magistrate_n short_o then_o the_o matter_n debate_v in_o this_o nocturnal_a council_n be_v mere_o ecclesiastical_a and_o the_o accusation_n of_o sedition_n and_o make_v himself_o a_o king_n be_v not_o speak_v of_o till_o he_o be_v bring_v before_o pâ—â—at_v but_o there_o be_v another_o sanedrim_n convocat_n in_o the_o morning_n mat_n 27_o 1._o mark_v 15.1_o luk_n 22_o 66._o and_o this_o seem_v to_o have_v be_v not_o ecclesiastical_a but_o civil_a 1._o because_o they_o meddle_v not_o with_o the_o trial_n of_o his_o doctrine_n nor_o any_o examination_n of_o witness_n thereanent_a only_o they_o desire_v to_o hear_v out_o of_o his_o own_o mouth_n that_o which_o he_o have_v confess_v in_o the_o other_o council_n viz._n that_o he_o be_v the_o christ_n the_o son_n of_o god_n whereupon_o they_o take_v counsel_n how_o they_o may_v deliver_v he_o to_o pilate_n which_o be_v the_o end_n of_o their_o meeting_n 2._o mâ—â—k_o say_v they_o bind_v he_o and_o carry_v he_o awâ—y_o to_o pilate_n 3._o the_o ecclesiastical_a council_n have_v already_o do_v that_o which_o they_o think_v pertain_v to_o they_o for_o what_o shall_v they_o have_v convene_v again_o some_o say_v that_o aâ—l_v the_o high_a priest_n scribes_z and_o elder_n be_v not_o present_a at_o that_o nocturnal_a council_n and_o that_o therefore_o they_o convene_v more_o full_o in_o the_o morning_n but_o that_o the_o nocturnal_a council_n be_v full_o convene_v it_o be_v manifest_a from_o mat._n 26.59_o mark_v 14.53.55_o 4._o this_o last_o council_n lead_v jesus_n away_o to_o pilot_n and_o go_v themselves_o with_o he_o to_o accuse_v he_o before_o pilate_n of_o sedition_n and_o of_o make_v himself_o a_o king_n luk._n 23.1.2_o mat._n 27.12_o 5._o they_o complain_v that_o the_o power_n of_o capital_a punishment_n be_v take_v from_o they_o by_o the_o roman_n import_v that_o otherwise_o they_o may_v have_v put_v he_o to_o death_n by_o their_o law_n joh._n 18.31_o now_o d._n fields_n last_o reason_n be_v for_o that_o all_o father_n or_o counsel_n mention_v elder_n place_v they_o betwixt_o bishop_n and_o deacon_n and_o make_v they_o to_o be_v clergy_n man_n and_o that_o in_o the_o act_n where_o the_o apostle_n be_v say_v to_o have_v constitute_v elder_n in_o every_o church_n pastor_n be_v mean_v be_v strong_o confirm_v from_o act._n 20.17.28_o where_o the_o elder_n of_o the_o church_n of_o ephesus_n be_v command_v to_o feed_v the_o flock_n of_o christ_n over_o which_o they_o be_v appoint_v overseer_n whence_o it_o follow_v inevitable_o that_o they_o be_v pastor_n 14_o we_o answer_v 1._o ambrose_n speak_v of_o elder_n which_o be_v not_o pastor_n 2._o beza_n &_o gualther_n expound_v the_o place_n act._n 14.23_o where_o the_o apostle_n be_v say_v to_o have_v ordain_v elder_n through_o every_o church_n of_o rule_v as_o well_o as_o preach_v elder_n 3._o as_o for_o that_o which_o he_o allege_v from_o act._n 20._o beza_n 275._o junius_n and_o the_o professor_n of_o leyden_n hold_v that_o the_o name_n of_o bishop_n and_o pastor_n be_v common_a both_o to_o rule_v and_o preach_v elder_n and_o that_o the_o scripture_n give_v these_o name_n to_o both_o howsoever_o in_o ecclesiastical_a use_n for_o distinction_n cause_n they_o be_v appropriate_v to_o teach_v elder_n sure_o the_o roll_a elder_n both_o oversee_v the_o flock_n and_o feed_v the_o same_o both_o by_o discipline_n and_o by_o private_a admonition_n and_o for_o these_o respect_n may_v be_v true_o call_v both_o bishop_n and_o pastor_n 4._o how_o small_a reason_n he_o have_v to_o boast_v of_o the_o father_n we_o have_v already_o make_v it_o to_o appear_v 5._o it_o be_v a_o beg_n of_o the_o question_n to_o reason_n from_o the_o appropriation_n of_o the_o name_n of_o elder_n to_o the_o pastor_n chap._n xii_o the_o extravagancy_n of_o whitgift_n and_o saravia_n in_o the_o matter_n of_o rule_v elder_n these_o two_o disputer_n do_v not_o as_o d._n field_n altogether_o oppose_v the_o government_n of_o rule_v elder_n but_o with_o certain_a restriction_n about_o which_o notwithstanding_o they_o differ_v betwixt_o themselves_o whitgift_n allow_v of_o rule_v elder_n under_o a_o tyrant_n but_o not_o under_o a_o christian_a magistrate_n but_o â—ayeth_v they_o can_v be_v under_o a_o infidel_n magistrate_n i_o think_v i_o see_v here_o sampsons_n fox_n with_o their_o tail_n knit_v together_o and_o a_o firebrand_n betwixt_o they_o yet_o their_o head_n look_v sundry_a waâ—es_n 114._o to_o begin_v with_o whitgift_n he_o say_v in_o one_o place_n i_o know_v that_o in_o the_o primitive_a church_n they_o have_v in_o every_o church_n senior_n to_o who_o the_o government_n of_o the_o congregation_n be_v commit_v but_o that_o be_v before_o there_o be_v any_o christian_a prince_n or_o magistrate_n etc._n etc._n in_o another_o place_n my_o reason_n why_o it_o the_o church_n may_v not_o be_v govern_v under_o a_o christian_a magistrate_n be_v it_o may_v under_o a_o tyrant_n be_v this_o god_n have_v give_v the_o chief_a authority_n in_o the_o government_n of_o the_o church_n to_o the_o christian_a magistrate_n which_o can_v not_o be_v so_o if_o your_o seignory_n may_v aswell_o retain_v their_o authority_n under_o a_o christian_a prince_n and_o in_o the_o time_n of_o peace_n be_v under_o a_o tyrant_n and_o in_o the_o time_n of_o persecution_n for_o tell_v i_o i_o pray_v you_o what_o authority_n ecclesiastical_a remain_v to_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n where_o this_o seignory_n be_v establish_v he_o who_o please_v may_v find_v this_o opinion_n large_o consute_v by_o beza_n de_fw-fr presbyterio_n contra_fw-la erasmum_fw-la and_o by_o i._o b._n a._n c._n polit_fw-la civil_a &_o eccles._n 140_o in_o the_o mean_a while_o i_o answer_v first_o t._n c._n have_v make_v a_o sufficient_a reply_n hereunto_o which_o whitgift_n here_o in_o his_o defence_n shall_v have_v confute_v but_o have_v not_o viz._n that_o if_o the_o senior_n under_o a_o tyrant_n have_v meddle_v with_o any_o office_n of_o a_o magistrate_n than_o there_o have_v be_v some_o cause_n why_o a_o godly_a magistrate_n be_v in_o the_o church_n the_o office_n of_o a_o senior_n or_o at_o least_o so_o much_o as_o