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the_o same_o use_n from_o the_o same_o ground_n of_o holy_a scripture_n iii_o what_o reason_n have_v he_o in_o describe_v the_o use_n of_o class_n to_o mention_v this_o only_a that_o they_o be_v for_o the_o help_n of_o pastor_n see_v both_o they_o &_o those_o judicatories_n deut._n 17.2_o chron._n 19_o be_v for_o the_o help_n &_o benefit_n of_o every_o member_n of_o the_o synagogue_n then_o and_o the_o church_n now_o as_o well_o as_o for_o the_o help_n of_o pastor_n iu._n what_o reason_n have_v he_o also_o in_o speak_v of_o pastor_n now_o to_o add_v these_o word_n which_o have_v the_o assistance_n of_o their_o eldership_n see_v in_o the_o synagogue_n ancient_o their_o pastor_n &_o teacher_n have_v the_o assistance_n of_o a_o eldership_n and_o ruler_n of_o the_o synagogue_n as_o well_o as_o now_o i._o dav_n it_o be_v to_o be_v prove_v ii_o that_o the_o cause_n in_o question_n which_o
secondary_a church_n which_o receive_v authority_n from_o the_o prime_a church_n &_o that_o under_o the_o like_a condition_n to_o wit_n that_o no_o rectour_n or_o president_n be_v make_v without_o election_n of_o the_o church_n which_o be_v combine_v in_o that_o assembly_n this_o he_o declare_v at_o large_a and_o refute_v the_o contrary_a argument_n now_o this_o election_n of_o a_o president_n be_v a_o act_n of_o ecclesiastical_a authority_n a_o part_n of_o the_o church_n power_n and_o see_v this_o be_v confess_v to_o be_v in_o synod_n it_o appear_v hence_o also_o that_o synod_n be_v not_o only_o for_o counsel_n &_o admonition_n but_o also_o for_o the_o exercise_n of_o jurisdiction_n a_o sixth_o controversy_n about_o synod_n concern_v the_o execution_n of_o the_o synodall_n canon_n 30._o canon_n ibid._n l._n 3_o c._n 30._o mr_n park_n hold_v that_o this_o belong_v not_o unto_o any_o one_o bishop_n or_o archbishop_n but_o unto_o particular_a church_n and_o their_o eldership_n he_o argue_v on_o this_o manner_n 428._o manner_n p._n 428._o the_o execution_n of_o canon_n of_o what_o kind_n soever_o whether_o they_o be_v those_o which_o be_v publish_v of_o christ_n in_o the_o scripture_n or_o whether_o they_o be_v ordain_v in_o synod_n according_a to_o the_o scripture_n be_v a_o part_n of_o ecclesiastical_a jurisdiction_n a_o part_n of_o the_o exercise_n of_o the_o key_n as_o the_o parisian_n call_v it_o but_o the_o key_n and_o ecclesiastical_a jurisdiction_n be_v not_o give_v to_o one_o bishop_n but_o be_v promise_v to_o the_o church_n and_o eldership_n mat._n 16._o and_o give_v unto_o they_o matt._n 18._o therefore_o the_o execution_n of_o canon_n belong_v not_o unto_o one_o bishop_n but_o unto_o the_o church_n which_o import_v many_o now_o if_o the_o execution_n of_o synodall_n canon_n by_o a_o eldership_n or_o particular_a church_n be_v a_o part_n of_o ecclesiastical_a jurisdiction_n and_o of_o the_o key_n then_o much_o more_o be_v the_o make_n of_o these_o 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scripture_n etc._n etc._n again_o 112._o again_o ibid._n p._n 111._o 112._o there_o be_v a_o double_a authority_n of_o the_o pastor_n the_o one_o join_v with_o the_o elder_n of_o the_o church_n whereof_o he_o be_v pastor_n the_o other_o with_o the_o synod_n or_o holy_a assembly_n whereof_o he_o be_v a_o member_n there_o arise_v oftentimes_o in_o the_o church_n divers_a controversy_n which_o can_v otherwise_o be_v express_v pertain_v to_o the_o state_n of_o the_o whole_a church_n then_o by_o a_o general_a assembly_n of_o all_o the_o pastor_n of_o that_o church_n which_o be_v call_v a_o synod_n or_o general_n council_n also_o there_o be_v divers_a case_n wherein_o the_o several_a church_n be_v drive_v to_o pray_v the_o aid_n of_o the_o synod_n where_o matter_n can_v be_v determine_v among_o themselves_o for_o this_o cause_n the_o holy_a ghost_n
some_o redress_n 7.4_o redress_n esth_n 7.4_o i_o crave_v leave_v therefore_o to_o suggest_v a_o few_o of_o the_o woeful_a fruit_n â€_o &_o sad_a consequent_n of_o prelatical_a proceed_n prelacy_n proceed_n sad_a consequent_n of_o prelacy_n for_o even_o hence_o it_o be_v come_v to_o pass_v that_o i._o some_o well_o affect_a parent_n have_v be_v discourage_v from_o train_v up_o their_o hopeful_a son_n in_o such_o learning_n as_o shall_v fit_v to_o the_o ministry_n ii_o some_o conscientious_a young_a man_n have_v attain_v to_o a_o good_a degree_n of_o learning_n have_v divert_v &_o apply_v their_o study_n otherways_o iii_o some_o in_o the_o ministry_n concern_v the_o faith_n have_v make_v shipwreck_n or_o schism_v dangerous_o entertain_v unsound_a &_o unwarrantable_a opinion_n &_o course_n turn_v to_o be_v anabaptist_n separatist_n semi-separatist_n etc._n etc._n and_o other_o become_v licentious_a or_o mere_o formal_a and_o careless_a in_o the_o execution_n of_o their_o call_n iv_o some_o of_o the_o 2.2_o the_o 2._o pet._n 2.2_o people_n have_v follow_v their_o pernicious_a &_o deceivable_a way_n of_o anabaptism_n separation_n independency_n popularity_n &_o profaneness_n by_o reason_n of_o who_o the_o way_n of_o truth_n be_v evil_a speak_v of_o 4.9_o of_o hos_fw-la 4.9_o like_a priest_n like_o people_n v._o but_o behold_v great_a scandal_n they_o these_o for_o hence_o 8.3_o hence_o ezek._n 8.3_o the_o image_n of_o jealousy_n which_o provoke_v to_o jealousy_n even_o 2.7_o even_o 2._o thes_n 2.7_o the_o mystery_n of_o iniquity_n have_v be_v more_o bold_a to_o lift_v up_o the_o head_n &_o 16._o &_o ezek._n 8.12_o 16._o chamber_n of_o imagery_n have_v be_v raise_v at_o the_o upper_a end_n of_o chancel_v &_o altar_n place_v thereon_o and_o worship_v direct_v towards_o the_o east_n vi_o hence_o ceremony_n hence_o in_o the_o year_n 16_o 17._o d._n morton_n b._n of_o chester_n frame_v the_o direction_n for_o the_o first_o liberty_n grant_v to_o sport_n on_o the_o lord_n day_n at_o the_o same_o time_n he_o so_o eager_o prosecute_v the_o nonconformist_n about_o ceremony_n a_o wide_a gap_n have_v be_v open_v to_o libertinism_n in_o the_o audacious_a profanation_n of_o the_o lord_n day_n gross_a contempt_n of_o the_o faithful_a ministry_n scorn_v at_o the_o performance_n of_o family_n duty_n bolster_n of_o ignorance_n the_o stepdame_n of_o devotion_n countenance_v of_o wake_n rushbearings_a mixt-dancing_n maypole_n beare-beating_n stageplay_n revel_v healthing_n &_o all_o manner_n of_o the_o like_a disorder_a course_n with_o a_o censure_v all_o strictness_n in_o religion_n &_o circumspect_a walk_n to_o be_v foolish_a preciseness_n &_o puritanisme_n vii_o hence_o have_v follow_v those_o irregular_a confusion_n in_o the_o popular_a and_o independent_a government_n of_o the_o brownistical_o affect_v break_v in_o piece_n again_o and_o again_o to_o their_o great_a reproach_n &_o yet_o discover_v thereby_o that_o their_o 5.38_o their_o act._n 5.38_o new_a way_n be_v not_o of_o god_n since_o it_o do_v daily_o come_v to_o nought_o by_o their_o own_o disunit_a and_o unchurch_v of_o themselves_o viij_o 5.15_o viij_o judg._n 5.15_o hence_o have_v rise_v those_o great_a thought_n of_o heart_n among_o brethren_n occasion_v bitter_a contention_n fruitless_a jangle_n censorious_a word_n tart_a &_o gall_a writing_n alienation_n of_o affection_n strangeness_n of_o countenance_n breach_n of_o christian_a fellowship_n interruption_n of_o prayer_n &_o neglect_v of_o necessary_a mutual_a office_n ix_o yea_o &_o hence_o doubtless_o have_v issue_v as_o from_o the_o proper_a original_n that_o unworthy_a remonstrance_n against_o presbytery_n represent_v to_o the_o house_n of_o peer_n from_o divers_a nobleman_n and_o gentleman_n of_o cheshire_n as_o appear_v by_o a_o print_a book_n under_o the_o name_n of_o sir_n thomas_n aston_n baronet_n 1641._o the_o grievous_a scandal_n &_o offence_n whereof_o may_n in_o some_o part_n be_v evince_v by_o these_o short_a animadversion_n follow_v remonstrance_n animadversion_n on_o the_o cheshire_n remonstrance_n i._o the_o title_n of_o it_o a_o remonstrance_n against_o presbytery_n animadvers_fw-la of_o the_o title_n the_o same_o may_v be_v say_v which_o be_v observe_v vorstius_n declaration_n against_o vorstius_n by_o the_o great_a &_o wise_a king_n james_n of_o famous_a memory_n touch_v the_o title_n of_o bertius_n his_o book_n de_fw-la apostasia_fw-la sanctorum_fw-la viz._n the_o title_n only_o be_v enough_o to_o make_v it_o worthy_a the_o fire_n because_o i._o the_o holy_a scripture_n approve_v of_o presbytery_n as_o a_o divine_a ordinance_n both_o for_o the_o 4.14_o the_o 1._o tim._n 4.14_o imposition_n of_o hand_n &_o also_o for_o 5.17_o for_o 1._o tim._n 5.17_o the_o exercise_n of_o rule_n &_o government_n ii_o presbytery_n be_v establish_v in_o the_o neighbour_n reform_a church_n which_o be_v precious_a in_o the_o eye_n of_o the_o lord_n &_o of_o all_o well-affected_a to_o the_o reform_a religion_n in_o england_n iii_o prelatical_a man_n be_v not_o wont_a in_o their_o writing_n to_o contradict_v it_o simple_o how_o come_v it_o then_o to_o pass_v that_o some_o in_o cheshire_n 12.8_o cheshire_n numb_a 12.8_o be_v not_o afraid_a to_o speak_v against_o presbytery_n ii_o the_o pretend_a occasion_n of_o the_o remonstrance_n against_o presbytery_n allege_v by_o the_o contriver_n &_o subscriber_n be_v a_o petition_n &_o position_n preach_v at_o chester_n &_o knutesford_n annex_v to_o the_o remonstrance_n animadv_n the_o occasion_n of_o the_o suggest_a pretence_n be_v but_o a_o mere_a pretence_n have_v no_o just_a ground_n at_o all_o for_o i._n neither_o the_o petition_n nor_o position_n annex_v to_o the_o remonstrance_n do_v seek_v for_o government_n for_o presbyterian_a discipline_n mention_v in_o the_o position_n in_o great_a character_n seem_v to_o be_v the_o word_n of_o remonst_z not_o of_o the_o preacher_n disaffect_v to_o presbyterian_a government_n presbytery_n but_o seem_v rather_o to_o affect_v a_o popular_a government_n ii_o the_o patron_n of_o popular_a government_n contend_v for_o in_o the_o position_n be_v for_o the_o most_o part_n either_o separatist_n or_o semi-separatist_n who_o be_v as_o opposite_a to_o presbyterial_a government_n as_o they_o be_v to_o prelacy_n as_o be_v well_o know_v to_o they_o that_o know_v they_o and_o therefore_o it_o behoove_v cheshire_n man_n to_o 7.24_o to_o john_n 7.24_o give_v righteous_a judgement_n when_o they_o take_v upon_o they_o to_o censure_v &_o in-no-wise_a confound_v &_o jumble_v together_o opinion_n &_o defender_n of_o they_o so_o direct_o opposite_a for_o 5.10_o for_o 2._o cor._n 5.10_o we_o must_v all_o appear_v at_o the_o tribunal_n of_o the_o 18.25_o the_o gen._n 18.25_o righteous_a judge_n of_o all_o the_o world_n who_o will_v do_v right_a iii_o remonstr_n take_v for_o grant_v that_o conclude_v that_o provincial_n &_o diocesan_n b_o b._n be_v to_o be_v understand_v by_o the_o remonstr_n otherwise_o nothing_o be_v conclude_v provincial_n &_o diocesan_n bishop_n be_v of_o apostolical_a institution_n 3.1_o institution_n philip._n 1.1_o 1._o tim._n 3.1_o allege_v in_o the_o margin_n two_o text_n of_o scripture_n for_o his_o proof_n animadv_n neither_o of_o the_o text_n allege_v do_v infer_v a_o apostolical_a institution_n of_o provincial_n &_o diocesan_n bishop_n for_o i._o the_o original_a word_n translate_v 〈◊〉_d translate_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d bishop_n or_o overseer_n &_o 〈◊〉_d &_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d presbyter_n or_o elder_n be_v equivalent_a name_n of_o the_o same_o office_n &_o be_v so_o use_v in_o the_o 2._o the_o act._n 20.17_o 28._o 1._o pet._n 5.1_o 2._o scripture_n ii_o the_o pleader_n for_o hierarchy_n do_v grant_v that_o bishop_n and_o presbyter_n in_o scripture_n phrase_n be_v the_o same_o iii_o the_o text_n in_o the_o epist_n to_o phil._n 1.1_o mention_v bishop_n in_o the_o plural_a number_n that_o be_v such_o officer_n as_o do_v oversee_v the_o church_n at_o philippi_n &_o not_o a_o bishop_n alone_o superior_a to_o other_o officer_n in_o degree_n or_o government_n according_a to_o the_o opinion_n of_o hierarchicall_a man_n 9_o man_n 3._o john_n 9_o affect_v preeminence_n iv_o the_o text_n in_o 1._o tim._n 3.1_o mention_v also_o office_n as_o well_o as_o bishop_n which_o office_n be_v describe_v in_o the_o 7._o the_o 1._o tim._n 3.2_o 3_o 4_o 5_o 6_o 7._o subsequent_a verse_n to_o be_v the_o office_n of_o the_o presbyter_n and_o this_o may_v appear_v further_o by_o compare_v therewith_o the_o 7._o the_o tit._n 1.5_o 6_o 7._o epist_n to_z titus_n v._o it_o be_v good_a to_o be_v wise_a according_a to_o sobriety_n in_o understand_v some_o thing_n in_o 3.16_o in_o 2._o pet._n 3.16_o paul_n epistle_n &_o other_o scripture_n lest_o for_o want_v of_o learning_n &_o stability_n they_o be_v wrest_v to_o destruction_n this_o be_v a_o useful_a item_n for_o cheshire_n man_n &_o other_o also_o iv_o remonstr_n commend_v bishop_n that_o they_o be_v the_o great_a light_n of_o the_o church_n and_o martyr_n in_o primitive_a time_n animadv_n
voetius_fw-la last_o for_o that_o 29._o that_o case_n consc_fw-la l._n 4._o c._n 29._o place_n which_o mr_n can_v object_v out_o of_o d._n ames_n i_o acknowledge_v that_o there_o be_v something_o more_o find_v against_o the_o authority_n of_o synod_n then_o in_o any_o thing_n that_o mr_n dau._n have_v allege_v out_o of_o he_o but_o all_o that_o d._n ames_n there_o write_v be_v not_o easy_o to_o be_v admit_v for_o in_o that_o chap._n the_o question_n be_v make_v 11._o make_v ibid._n qu._n 11._o whether_o whole_a church_n or_o member_n of_o another_o church_n may_v be_v excommunicate_v he_o answer_v they_o can_v proper_o be_v excommunicate_v he_o bring_v 3_o reason_n 1._o because_o every_o church_n have_v communion_n in_o itself_o out_o of_o which_o it_o can_v no_o more_o be_v cast_v than_o out_o of_o itself_o but_o this_o reason_n be_v insufficient_a 1._o because_o though_o every_o church_n have_v communion_n in_o itself_o yet_o not_o only_o in_o itself_o and_o with_o itself_o but_o with_o other_o church_n also_o eph._n 4.4_o 5_o 6._o 1._o cor._n 12.13_o and_o by_o excommunication_n it_o may_v be_v deprive_v and_o cut_v off_o from_o that_o comfortable_a fellowship_n to_o the_o great_a grief_n terror_n and_o shame_n thereof_o for_o their_o humiliation_n thereby_o and_o for_o the_o warn_n of_o other_o 2._o because_o a_o obstinate_a and_o rebellious_a church_n by_o a_o sentence_n of_o excommunication_n may_v be_v cast_v out_o of_o itself_o and_o deprive_v of_o communion_n in_o itself_o either_o in_o the_o dissolution_n of_o that_o unlawful_a society_n while_o the_o magistrate_n help_v to_o execute_v the_o sentence_n or_o otherwise_o in_o make_v their_o communion_n abominable_a even_o unto_o their_o own_o conscience_n by_o the_o hand_n of_o god_n work_v with_o his_o own_o ordinance_n in_o deliver_v they_o to_o satan_n for_o the_o destruction_n of_o the_o flesh_n and_o deprive_v they_o of_o inward_a rest_n notwithstanding_o any_o pretend_a security_n of_o the_o obstinate_a his_o 2_o reason_n be_v because_o the_o power_n of_o excommunicate_v flow_v from_o some_o superiority_n but_o all_o church_n be_v constitute_v of_o christ_n with_o a_o authority_n altogether_o equal_a this_o be_v also_o a_o weak_a reason_n for_o 1._o though_o all_o church_n be_v equal_a and_o no_o one_o above_o another_o yet_o many_o meeting_n together_o in_o a_o synod_n be_v superior_a to_o one_o as_o be_v show_v before_o by_o mr_n parker_n 129._o parker_n pol._n eccles_n 3._o p._n 129._o greater_n be_v the_o power_n of_o a_o synod_n then_o of_o any_o one_o prime_a and_o parishional_a church_n 2._o when_o two_o church_n only_o be_v by_o special_a covenant_n unite_v together_o as_o it_o may_v fall_v out_o necessary_o upon_o occasion_n though_o this_o combination_n be_v more_o imperfect_a yet_o be_v this_o 346._o this_o ibid._n p._n 345._o 346._o repute_v for_o a_o synod_n and_o though_o these_o church_n be_v in_o themselves_o equal_a yet_o when_o one_o of_o they_o fall_v into_o error_n &_o offence_n than_o it_o become_v subject_a to_o the_o other_o and_o the_o other_o have_v authority_n over_o it_o to_o rebuke_v &_o censure_v the_o same_o this_o be_v to_o be_v observe_v by_o proportion_n of_o two_o brethren_n member_n of_o one_o church_n though_o both_o of_o they_o be_v in_o their_o estate_n equal_a yet_o he_o that_o offend_v become_v subject_a to_o the_o other_o who_o thereupon_o have_v power_n over_o he_o in_o a_o degree_n of_o bind_v and_o lose_v a_o power_n of_o lose_v and_o forgive_a he_o if_o he_o repent_v a_o power_n of_o retain_v his_o sin_n and_o bind_v he_o over_o to_o further_a proceed_v if_o he_o do_v not_o repent_v luk._n 17.3_o 4._o with_o matt._n 18._o on_o this_o manner_n that_o general_a commandment_n of_o mutual_a subjection_n to_o one_o another_o 1._o pet._n 5.5_o ought_v to_o take_v place_n in_o two_o church_n as_o well_o as_o in_o two_o person_n his_o 3_o reason_n be_v because_o the_o member_n of_o one_o church_n be_v neither_o subject_n to_o the_o government_n of_o another_o neither_o do_v they_o belong_v immediate_o unto_o the_o communion_n of_o other_o church_n but_o by_o the_o communion_n of_o their_o own_o church_n come_v betwixt_o the_o first_o part_n of_o this_o reason_n touch_v subjection_n be_v answer_v before_o and_o for_o the_o second_o part_n of_o it_o there_o be_v no_o weight_n therein_o for_o those_o that_o belong_v unto_o the_o communion_n of_o other_o church_n but_o mediate_o be_v not_o therefore_o exempt_v from_o the_o jurisdiction_n and_o authority_n of_o they_o and_o again_o the_o covenant_n of_o communion_n make_v at_o the_o first_o confederation_n of_o church_n for_o their_o mutual_a government_n by_o a_o synod_n remain_v firm_a for_o the_o continuance_n and_o exercise_n of_o authority_n either_o for_o or_o against_o some_o particular_a member_n of_o any_o one_o church_n in_o that_o combination_n although_o that_o church_n unjust_o violate_v their_o covenant_n shall_v refuse_v to_o consent_v or_o communicate_v with_o the_o synod_n in_o their_o act_n of_o ecclesiastical_a judgement_n and_o censure_n of_o some_o scandalous_a person_n among_o they_o moreover_o that_o which_o d._n ames_n write_v in_o the_o same_o chapter_n may_v just_o lead_v we_o to_o acknowledge_v the_o necessity_n of_o synod_n and_o their_o authority_n in_o the_o censure_n of_o offender_n 1._o he_o add_v in_o his_o answer_n to_o the_o same_o question_n touch_v whole_a church_n &_o member_n of_o another_o church_n that_o though_o they_o may_v not_o proper_o be_v excommunicate_v 26._o excommunicate_v case_n con_fw-la l_o 4._o c_o 29._o q._n 11._o the_o 26._o yet_o for_o manifest_a heresy_n or_o great_a fault_n they_o may_v be_v condemn_v forsake_a reject_v which_o be_v proportionable_a to_o excommunication_n if_o he_o grant_v this_o authority_n unto_o synod_n thus_o to_o condemn_v whole_a church_n than_o he_o confess_v that_o they_o have_v more_o power_n then_o only_o to_o counsel_n or_o admonish_v if_o he_o grant_v this_o authority_n unto_o any_o other_o ecclesiastical_a person_n and_o not_o to_o class_n or_o synod_n the_o warrant_n from_o scripture_n ought_v to_o be_v show_v a_o censure_n proportionable_a to_o excommunication_n require_v a_o authority_n proportionable_a to_o they_o that_o may_v excommunicate_v for_o the_o execution_n thereof_o ii_o in_o the_o same_o chapter_n propound_v this_o case_n of_o conscience_n 10._o conscience_n ibid._n q._n 10._o what_o be_v to_o be_v do_v of_o the_o pastor_n where_o a_o fit_a eldership_n be_v want_v or_o where_o the_o people_n do_v not_o consent_v unto_o ajust_a excommunication_n his_o resolution_n be_v the_o solemn_a proceed_n may_v be_v omit_v yet_o a_o good_a pastor_n ought_v to_o give_v all_o diligence_n hereunto_o with_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o faithful_a member_n that_o the_o substance_n of_o the_o matter_n be_v so_o far_o preserve_v that_o holy_a thing_n be_v not_o give_v unto_o dog_n &_o swine_n mat._n 7.6_o and_o that_o all_o public_a scandal_n be_v public_o reprooved_a but_o by_o this_o direction_n neither_o be_v the_o peace_n of_o the_o minister_n conscience_n provide_v for_o nor_o yet_o the_o safety_n of_o the_o church_n for_o by_o what_o warrant_n may_v a_o pastor_n by_o his_o sole_a authority_n determine_v and_o reject_v some_o member_n as_o dog_n and_o exclude_v they_o from_o the_o holy_a thing_n from_o the_o sacrament_n and_o this_o not_o only_o without_o allowance_n of_o the_o eldership_n but_o against_o the_o consent_n of_o the_o people_n and_o body_n of_o the_o congregation_n or_o the_o great_a part_n of_o it_o this_o be_v in_o effect_n a_o excommunication_n or_o as_o he_o call_v it_o the_o essence_n or_o substance_n of_o the_o matter_n for_o excommunication_n great_a or_o less_o be_v the_o only_a ecclesiastical_a judgement_n appoint_v of_o god_n to_o keep_v holy_a thing_n from_o be_v give_v unto_o dog_n to_o permit_v this_o authority_n unto_o the_o pastor_n alone_o be_v to_o open_v a_o door_n for_o tyranny_n and_o oppression_n of_o the_o church_n and_o be_v condemn_v by_o those_o 4_o reason_n which_o he_o give_v for_o confirmation_n of_o his_o answer_n unto_o the_o 9_o question_n immediate_o go_v before_o it_o be_v the_o denial_n of_o synod_n that_o drive_v unto_o such_o extremity_n iii_o that_o which_o he_o here_o say_v of_o public_a reprove_v all_o public_a scandal_n be_v again_o empeach_v by_o that_o which_o be_v say_v before_o 13._o before_o ibid._n q._n 4._o the_o 12_o 13._o that_o in_o those_o church_n which_o through_o want_n of_o discipline_n be_v trouble_v with_o confusion_n it_o be_v not_o always_o necessary_a for_o the_o person_n offend_v to_o admonish_v the_o offendor_n because_o he_o shall_v oftentimes_o in_o vain_a begin_v that_o which_o he_o have_v no_o power_n to_o finish_v that_o the_o commandment_n of_o solemn_a admonish_v of_o a_o brother_n offend_v do_v then_o only_o bind_v when_o there_o be_v some_o hope_n that_o the_o same_o will_v
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authority_n of_o class_n and_o synod_n as_o he_o do_v in_o that_o treatise_n which_o he_o publish_v against_o sibr._n lubbertus_n he_o say_v 225._o say_v apol._n reply_n p._n 225._o thereupon_o bogermannus_n publish_v his_o annotation_n learned_o and_o succinct_o pen_v in_o defence_n of_o d._n sibrandus_fw-la whereinis_fw-la for_o answer_v of_o that_o part_n which_o concern_v the_o necessity_n and_o authority_n of_o synod_n he_o refer_v grotius_n to_o what_o junius_n have_v write_v against_o bellarmine_n the_o nceessitate_n &_o potestate_fw-la conciliorum_fw-la wherein_o i_o full_o agree_v with_o junius_n answ._n have_v mr_n dau._n full_o agree_v with_o junius_n then_o have_v it_o be_v meet_v that_o the_o shall_v have_v bring_v at_o least_o some_o one_o pregnant_a testimony_n out_o of_o junius_n to_o have_v manifest_v their_o agreement_n which_o he_o have_v not_o do_v if_o he_o will_v constant_o and_o full_o abide_v by_o this_o confession_n of_o his_o full_a agreement_n with_o junius_n 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but_o that_o do_v we_o urge_v etc._n etc._n junius_n apply_v this_o to_o synod_n do_v thereby_o confess_v that_o they_o be_v for_o censure_n and_o judgement_n of_o cause_n and_o person_n &_o not_o for_o counsel_v only_o he_o acknowledge_v the_o protestant_n just_o desire_v such_o a_o council_n 11._o council_n not._n 11._o in_o quo_fw-la cognosci_fw-la decerni_fw-la &_o confici_fw-la omne_fw-la posse_fw-la confiderent_fw-la that_o be_v wherein_o they_o hope_v that_o all_o thing_n may_v be_v examine_v decree_v and_o dispatch_v this_o be_v more_o than_o counsel_v and_o employ_v jurisdiction_n and_o power_n of_o judgement_n more_o plain_o he_o say_v we_o desire_v a_o council_n etc._n etc._n 13._o etc._n n._n 13._o after_o such_o a_o manner_n as_o we_o see_v to_o have_v be_v do_v of_o old_a in_o the_o example_n of_o synod_n especial_o of_o the_o first_o nicene_n of_o the_o chalcedon_n etc._n etc._n now_o it_o be_v manifest_a in_o the_o history_n that_o in_o these_o synod_n there_o be_v not_o only_o a_o give_v of_o counsel_n but_o a_o exercise_n of_o ecclesiastical_a jurisdiction_n in_o the_o censure_n and_o condemnation_n of_o heretic_n as_o be_v hereafter_o show_v at_o large_a again_o when_o bellarmine_n accuse_v the_o protestant_n that_o they_o desire_v a_o general_n council_n but_o such_o a_o one_o as_o never_o be_v junius_n answer_v 38._o answer_v n._n 38._o it_o be_v false_a but_o if_o we_o shall_v desire_v such_o a_o council_n as_o mr_n dau._n describe_v such_o a_o one_o as_o shall_v be_v for_o counsel_n and_o admonition_n without_o jurisdiction_n then_o shall_v the_o answer_n of_o junius_n be_v false_a we_o shall_v desire_v such_o a_o synod_n as_o never_o be_v it_o can_v be_v show_v that_o ever_o such_o a_o general_n council_n be_v hold_v when_o bellarmine_n accuse_v melancthon_n for_o require_v such_o condition_n of_o a_o synod_n that_o neither_o the_o person_n nor_o cause_n of_o man_n shall_v be_v condemn_v and_o that_o so_o nothing_o at_o all_o shall_v be_v decree_v in_o the_o synod_n junius_n answer_v that_o this_o be_v feign_v or_o forge_v of_o he_o and_o show_v further_a that_o though_o it_o do_v not_o become_v the_o church_n to_o use_v a_o bloody_a cure_n and_o corporal_a punishment_n yet_o there_o be_v a_o more_o wholesome_a order_n and_o tell_v what_o that_o be_v say_v 40._o say_v n._n 40._o what_o arius_n be_v overcome_v and_o convince_v how_o be_v he_o punish_v of_o the_o synod_n how_o be_v macedonius_n nestorius_n eutyches_n in_o those_o renown_a synod_n silence_n be_v enjoin_v they_o and_o their_o office_n take_v away_o nothing_o more_o a_o most_o express_a testimony_n of_o ecclesiastical_a jurisdiction_n exercise_v in_o the_o depose_n of_o evil_a minister_n this_o be_v more_o than_o counsel_n only_o after_o the_o preface_n when_o in_o the_o book_n itself_o bellarmine_n complain_v of_o heretic_n that_o they_o devise_v a_o new_a form_n of_o synod_n and_o then_o give_v almost_o no_o authority_n unto_o they_o junius_n answer_v 1._o answer_v animadv_n in_o contr._n 4._o the_o council_n l._n 1._o c._n 1._o n._n 1._o as_o for_o we_o we_o deny_v both_o and_o will_v god_n will_v confute_v the_o first_o affirmation_n in_o the_o first_o book_n and_o the_o latter_a in_o the_o second_o but_o mr_n dau._n not_o just_o deny_v either_o of_o those_o assertion_n for_o first_o the_o single_a uncompounded_a policy_n do_v necessary_o infer_v a_o new_a form_n of_o synod_n if_o it_o be_v not_o so_o let_v he_o show_v when_o and_o where_o such_o a_o form_n be_v ever_o use_v of_o old_a and_o for_o the_o second_o it_o be_v grant_v by_o mr_n d._n his_o own_o confession_n when_o he_o allege_v 47._o allege_v apol._n reply_n p._n 47._o that_o other_o church_n have_v no_o power_n of_o hinder_v a_o faulty_a election_n but_o by_o admonition_n which_o power_n every_o christian_a have_v in_o another_o for_o his_o good_a be_v not_o this_o to_o give_v almost_o no_o power_n to_o synod_n bellarmine_n to_o show_v the_o divine_a original_n of_o synod_n allege_v matt._n 18._o there_o be_o i_o in_o the_o midst_n of_o they_o junius_n assent_v to_o he_o say_v 1._o say_v in_o cap._n 3._o l._n 1._o de_fw-fr conc_fw-fr n._n 1._o it_o be_v also_o demonstrate_v in_o these_o word_n of_o the_o apostle_n paul_n 1_o cor._n 14.32_o the_o spirit_n of_o the_o prophet_n be_v subject_a to_o the_o prophet_n both_o place_n import_v a_o authority_n whereunto_o subjection_n be_v require_v when_o bellarmine_n say_v of_o bishop_n in_o synod_n that_o they_o be_v not_o counselor_n but_o judge_n junius_n note_v 2._o note_v n._n 2._o that_o they_o be_v neither_o counselor_n nor_o judge_n but_o declarer_n &_o minister_n of_o the_o judgement_n of_o god_n in_o the_o holy_a scripture_n in_o which_o word_n he_o asscribe_v as_o much_o power_n and_o jurisdiction_n unto_o synod_n as_o he_o do_v unto_o particular_a church_n his_o meaning_n for_o both_o according_a to_o his_o use_n of_o speech_n be_v that_o they_o be_v not_o absolute_a but_o ministerial_a judge_n 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abuse_n about_o excommunication_n he_o say_v can_v the_o bishop_n alone_o excommunicate_a excommunication_n do_v not_o belong_v unto_o any_o one_o man_n whosoever_o he_o be_v but_o unto_o the_o church_n by_o these_o &_o the_o like_a speech_n of_o zuinglius_fw-la it_o appear_v that_o his_o testimony_n be_v not_o prejudicial_a unto_o our_o practice_n nor_o unto_o that_o authority_n of_o synod_n which_o we_o maintain_v see_v we_o grant_v that_o no_o one_o person_n alone_o can_v by_o right_a excommunicate_a any_o man_n by_o his_o own_o authority_n neither_o can_v any_o church_n or_o church_n excommunicate_v those_o that_o be_v not_o in_o communion_n with_o they_o the_o other_o place_n cite_v out_o of_o zuinglius_fw-la touch_v the_o call_n of_o minister_n be_v so_o far_o from_o prove_v any_o thing_n against_o we_o that_o be_v due_o consider_v it_o may_v fit_o serve_v to_o blame_v those_o popular_a course_n which_o mr_n can._n plead_v for_o and_o to_o justify_v our_o practice_n in_o not_o 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