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A75768 Ishmael, and his mother, cast out into the wilderness, amongst the wild beasts of the same nature: or, a reply to a book entitulled, The scriptures proved to be the word of God, put forth by one of Ishmaels children, who calls himself a minister of the Gospel, and a pastor of S. Austins and Savours parish in Norwich; but is clearly made manifest by the light of God in his servants, to be a scoffer, and an enemy to the Gospel, which the saints of God are ministers of, and sufferers for, by such as hee is, who Ishmael-like, hath laid his folly open, and is discovered to the faithful, who are of Abraham, and of the seed of promise. Also, a cleer distinction between the minsters of Christ, who are of the seed of Abraham, and the priests of this generation, who are of Ishmaels root; who with the truth are plainly made manifest, by the light of Christ in us, who for the testimony of God do suffer by the sons of Hagar, and this generation of priests in Notwich [sic]: ... / Given forth from the spirit of the Lord in us that do suffer in the goal of Norwich for the truths sake, ... Christopher Atkinson, George Whitehead, Iames Lancaster, Thomas Simonds. Atkinson, Christopher. 1655 (1655) Wing A4127; Thomason E830_3; ESTC R207430 13,494 15

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as thou may read Mat. ii 27. here thou hast plainly shewn thy self to be both without the knowledge of the Father and the Son who art in thy mediate naturall knowledge which from the light which comes from Christ is erred and with it to be condemned thou dreamer what hast thou to do to profess thy selfe a Minister of the Gospel who art but yet in thy mediate natural conceivings when the naturall man knows not the things of God for they are Spiritually discerned so we from God is unto thee thou deceiver who would make people believe that that which is naturall and carnall is the foundation of Faith and obedience and so would bewitch people with thy lyes to draw them from the annointing within to obscure something without them as they did that would have drawn away the Galathians from the Spirit as thou mayest read Galath 3. Priest And whereas thou sayest in the third Page that thou wilt reason with us and tells ùs that we did acknowledg the Scripture to be truth which in the page before thou did deny and thus is making thy folly manifest who saith that it is our judgment that we are perfect and free from Sin which thou never heard us affirm but these thy lyes will clearly be made manifest by the Scriptures which thou calls thy foundation of faith only rule of obedience by which thou shalt be judged for Christ saith unto them whom he taught be yee perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect Matthew 5.28 Ans But thou and thy generation hates this and sayes that there is no perfection to be attained here Oh thou blinde guide did Christ ever command any thing that might not be accomplished or did he speak of being perfect not till after death here thou dost deny the very end for which Christ came who came to take away Sin and in him is no Sin Mat. i. 2i i Iohn 3.3 4 5 6. and i Iohn 5. i8 here thou hast plainly made it manifest that thou art without Christ and his knowledg and in Antichrist now what the Scripture speaks in our meafure do we witness concerning these things and thee we do deny and all thy generation thou enemy of God who doth pervert the Scriptures and wrest them to thy destruction and here with the light that never changed art thou to be condemned from God and all the Children of God Priest Another of thy lyes is made evident thou slanderer who art not ashamed impudently to affirm that we deny the power of the Magistrates in the matters of God and that we speak not evell only of Governors but of Government and condemn the Ministers of the Church of England and despise them as salse teachers and say they know nothing of the true light and say we condemn them for preaching for hire and sayes we deny Ministers should take any wages for their works Ans The powers that are of God ordained we own in our souls and for Conscience sake are subject to them and such as rule wel in the things of God without respect of persons which respects of persons is contrary to Scripture such we say are worthy of double honor and such our souls are subject to for such executed the Law upon transgressors and encourage them that do well and their honor lyes not in a hat or bending of the knee which is nothing but filthiness which thou and thy generation upholds but the honor and subiection to him that ruleth wel is in our souls as it is written Rom. i3 i. and here thy lyes and thy slanders we do deny and charge it upon thee from the Lord to prove where ever we were not subject unto the power of Magistrates as it was of God or where ever we spoke evill of Governors or of Government thus art thou found with lyes in thy right hand thou enemy of God and where thou sayest we condemn the Ministers of the Church of England the Ministers of Christ we own but such as thou art we deny who seek for your gain from your quarter and such as call Steeple-house Church and letter word and foundation and light and rule when Christ saith he is the way and he is the light and he is the foundation and he is the word which was before the Letter was i Iohn i. 9. and Iohn 3. and Rev. i9 i. Cor. 3. i2 and here again we do deny all such as say that sprinckling of Infants is the Baptism and the seal of the Covenant as thou Sampson Townsend did affirm and take i2 pence for sprinkling of a poor prisoners child here in this prison of Norwich the sixteenth day of the eleventh Month and the Scripture saith that the Baptisme is with one Spirit into one body and the baptisme is but one and the Church but one which is in God as thou may read Ephes 4.5 6. and i Thes i. and here thou and thy Church and thy Baptisme is shut out of Scripture and with it judged and with the light condemned to be all upheld by such sottish blind guides as thou art Priest And again thon sayest that the Ministers of England speaks nothing but what is according to the Law and the Testimony of God in his word which is the rule to try all teachers by and thou sayest that this our Iudgment is contrary to Tit. 2.15 Ans Whosoever read that Scripture will condemn thy blindness in these things who hast pretended thy self a teacher of others and yet shut up in perpetuall darkness thou blind sot where is it said in all the Scriptures that the Letter is the rule to try all reachers by or where doth it ever say that the Saints did ever try the Spirits by the Letter or how canst thou prove that ever it was called by the Saints the only rule of obedience or a written word of God with these thy lyes thou and thy generation hath deceived the blinde and simple taking their money for that which is no bread making them believe lyes instead of truth Oh ye enemies of God how long will ye despise the truth if Scripture had not been these your filthy lyes would have gone forth as truth to those that are in darkness but praised be the Lord who hath discovered your filthiness and laid you open with his light from which the Scripture was spoken by which light we read you in the Scripture to be among the false Prophets in their steps and in the wayes of the Pharises and now finding you in the latter times your condemnation is justly related in the Scriptures who go in the way of Cain and run greedily after the error of Balaam as thou may read Iude. 4.10 11. and 2 Tim. 3.2 3 4 5 6. Priest And again thou sayest that Christ and his Apostles gave strong reasons for their maintenance and to prove it thou brings those Scriptures Mat. 10 1● 〈◊〉 10.7 Ans Let all that read those Scriptures judg thee by me to be a
which is the portion of all lyars as thou art Rev. 21.8 Rev. 22.18.19 Priest Again thou sayest that the Scriptures ought to convince us as Christians reason as rationall men Answer They that are Christians do see and comprehend thee and thy reason thy faith thy obedience thy rule thy foundation to be without the foundation and the word which was before thy inventions was and before Tuball Cam the inventer thy father was in whose condition thou art and the word and foundation and the way was before the Beast and and false Prophet was which thou art Isa 9.15 16. and this rule and foundation and word did Moses David and the rest of the holy men of God witness who spoke forth Scripture which thou calls the word rule and foundation 1 Cor. 3.11 Psal 18.2.31.3 Here thou would make Moses David and the rest of the holy men of God who spoke forth Scripture blind like tey selfe both without the word rule and foundation Priest Now to prove the Scripture the word of God thou brings Exod. 20.1 Levit. 10.3 and many other Scriptures thou brings to the same effect how God spake these words Answer Thou blind sot we challenge thee in the presence of the living God to prove in any of these Scriptures that the Scriptures are the written word of God or else stop thy mouth thou evill Beast and slowe belly dost thou make no disterence between the word and these words and here again wee charge thee to be a lyar and an adder to Scripture Priest And thou brings these Scriptures Isa 24.3 and Psal 12.5 and other Scriptures to the same purpose how the Lord saith and thus saith the Lord and Jer. 1.1 2.4.9 the words of Ieremiah to whom the word of the Lord came Answer And the word of the Lord that came to Ioel Amos and others thou dreamer doth ever Isaiah Ieremiah or David or Ioel or Amos or any of the holy men of God say that the Scripture is the written word whenas God who is the word Iohn 1. spoke these words unto them whose voice thou never heard who spoke unto them before the Letter was written which is a declaration of what the word spoke unto them or was that paper and Ink or could it be contained in paper and Inke which came to the Prophets whenas Ieremiah saith the word is fire in his heart and a burning shut up in his bones and a hammer that breaks the rocks Ier. 20.9 Ier. 23.29.30 and behold I am against the Prophets saith the Lord that steal my word every one from his neighbors and behold I am against the Prophets saith the Lord that use their tongues and say he saith and behold I am against them saith the Lord that profess false dreams and tell them as thou dost and cause my people to erre by their lyes and by their lightness yet I sent them not nor commanded them therefor they shall not profit the people at all saith the Lord and there thou art among the false Prophets and dreamers which Ieremiah who witnessed the word cryed wo against such Pastors as thou art Ier. 23.1 Priest Thou sayest thou shalt not need to mention the sayings and doing of our Saviour Christ which are frequently recorded in the New Testament and hence it is called the word of Christ and thou bring that Scripture Coloss 3.16 let the word of Christ dwel in you Answer Here again we challenge thee to be a lyar and an adder to the Scripture dost thou make no difference between death and life for Christ saith my words gives life and it was by his word that the dead was raised Iohn 11. now that which Matthew Mark Luke and Iohn wrote of Christ could not give life for that is called a Declaration of those things which was freely delivered among them Luke 1.1 and that thou calls the word which is death and killeth as thou may read 2 Cor. 3. and Paul was a Minister of the New-Testament and not of the Letter which thou calls the New Testament ver 6. and this word which dwelt in the Saints they did neither call the Bible nor the Letter as thou dost here thou hast manifested thy selfe to be a blinde guide both ignorant of the Word and the Letter Priest Thou sayest that it is all one to say the Scripture saith and God saith Answer Thou blasphemous beast dost thou make no diffrence between the Scripture and God or is the Scripture God when the Scripture saith God who is the word was in the beginning and by him was all things made and this was before the Scripture was written Iohn 1.1 which thou would make thy God of and here let all that reads this see thy blasphemic Priest Again thou sayest the word Scripture is put for God speaking in the Scripture and thou brings Ioshua 1.5 Answer Let all that reads that Scripture Iudge and condemn thee to be a Lyar for it speaks not such a word as God speaking in the Scripture Priest Again in the same page thou sayest that all the rest that is written in the volume is but a comment or exposition of those ten precepts Answer Thou diviner where dost thou prove such a Scripture as comment was that which the Prophets Christ and his Apostles spoke out a comment or exposition here again we charge thee Priest Townsand to be an inventer and a deviser of lyes which thou hast no Scripture for Priest Again thou sayest that thus it appeares that the Scriptures are the word of God because God writ them and caused them to be written Answer That which is written is the Letter which is death and killeth 2. Cor. 3.16 but the word is living Heb. 4.12 there again with the Scripture thou art disaproved to be a lyar Pr. Again in another page thou sayst that the Scriptures are called the counsel of God the will of the Lord the mystery of Gods will and thou bring these Scriptures Rom. 3.2 1 Pet. 4.11 Acts 20.27 Psal 33.11 and Pro. 19.21 Ephes 5.17 and to conclude this thou sayest that God himself calls the Scriptures his word and to maintain that thou brings Zach. 1.6 Ans Let all that reads these Scriptures see thee to be a perverter of Scripture and adds thy inventions to them for they that spoke forth these Scriptures knew the Counsell of God and the mystery and the Gospell which to thee is hid whom the God of this world hath blinded thy eyes and out of the mystery and Gospel and rule and foundation thou art with that which thou calls the only rule and word and foundation art thou iudged and with light seen and condemned to be an inventer of lies and a deceiver of the blind but no further canst thou proceed for thy folly shall be made manifest to all men Priest In a second reason of thine thou sayest the antiquity of the Scriptures do clearly prove them to be of God for man could never write of things done before he
had a being but the works of the five first dayes Creation are mentioned in Scripture but man was not made till the sixt day therefore they must needs be the word of God Ans Here thou blind Beast who art ignorant of God who makes antiquity as thou calls it the perfect knowledg of God and sayes that man could not declare of things before ever he had a being and so would make people believe that the Scripture reveal God thou blind Beast whether was man or the Scriptures first and whether did God make himself manifest unto and thou that sayest that the Scripture reveal God thou art a lyar for God revealed himself to Moses before the Scripture was written and Moses who was the first pen-man of the Scripture was 14 Generations after the fall and yet he wrote of things before the fall was and thy father Cain was before Moses was and yet he knew no Scripture and thou that would make the Letter the light and way of knowing God art not so much as a Minister of the Letter and here thou art made manifest to be in the fall in the death which past over all men before Moses was and are not come to see the first dayes work to see light divided from darkness and here let all the Prophets and holy men of God judge thee with the Light from which thou art erred for they wrote of Christ and saw his day many Generations before he came in the flesh and here thy antiquity and thy reasons and the three persons thou dreams of which would devide out of one like a conjurer are all denied and thou shut up with them in perpetuall darkness for the Lake and pit for thou hast no Scripture that mentious such things Priest And where thou art telling that the Scripture converts the Soul and works Grace and the opening thereof make hearts to tremble and sayes that Scriptures discovers mens thoughts and makes Laws for them Ans Here thou hast made thy self manifest where did ever any of the holy men of God say that the Scripture converts the Soul or make Laws for mens thoughts and what is that which opens the Scripture or where is it if the bare Letter convert the Souls here thou Priest of Baal for that is thy name thy lyes are made manifest and deceits laid open to the Children of the Light and art seen with the light from which the Scripture was spoken Priest Again thou sayest the Scripture speaks to all men alike but thus do not the word of man therefore thou sayest they are the word of God Ans But thou thy self and thy generation are perverters of the Scripture and are respectors of persons for you are called of men Master stands praying in the Synagogues has the chiefest places in the assemblies and the greeting in the Markets and are pleading for cap and knee and sayes we do not reverence Magistrates because we do not put off our hats and bend our knees as thou and the rest of thy generation of Hypocrites do who have mens persons in admiration because of advantage Iude. 16. and this which you calls the word speaks not to all men alike for wo is pronounced in it to such as thou art who art found in the steps of the false Prophets and Scribes and Pharises and goes in the way of Cain to envie and after the error of Balaam for gifts and rewards which wo was never pronounced to the righteous and wo unto thee thou lyar who art a wrester of Scripture to thy own destruction and art found with so many Lyes as thou hast here uttered Priest In another place thou sayest no Creature Angels men or Devils if all were put together in one could ever Diclare before-hand what paarticular person should be borne and what should be their names in so many thousands yeers before their birth Ans Here thou art taken with another lye with which thou hast stuffed up this thy confused Book for both by Angels and Men was Iesus Christ the Son of-God prophesied of Moses who was many years before Christ came in the flesh prophesied of Christ and said like unto me wil God raise up a Prophet him shall the people hear Mat. 1.17 see if thou can number the year of all these generations which prophesied of Christ and when Christ came he saith before Abraham was I am thus art thou-known and comprehended with the truth which all thy fathers and generations past persecuted so be ashamed and stop thoy mouth for evere Priest In that thou calls thy two propositions 1. thou sayest the Scriptures ar the means by which faith is wrought and to prove that by thou brings Rom. 10.17 Ans Shame cover thy face thou full of rottenness and filthy dreames where did thou ever read in Scripture that it is the means whereby faith is wrought when that Scripture saith faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word here thou art deafe and never heard the word and thy faith and word is without but the word of faith which we preach is nigh in the heart and mouth Rom. 10.8 therefore search thou the Scriptures with the Saduces who knew not Christ for in them thou and thy generation thinks to have eternall life but ye will not come unto Christ that ye may have life Iohn 5.38 39 40. Priest Again thou sayest that the Scripture which thou calls the word is an everlasting rule so long as we live on earth Ans Thou blinde sot see thy confusion can that Letter be everlasting while we live upon earth here thou hast shewed thy reason where it is that they that are not stark blind may see thee thy reason and thy foundation to be in the mire and dirt and may see thee to be a senceless naturall bruit Beast who with thy lyes art made to be taken and destroyed 2 Pet. 2.12 Priest And again thou sayest the most emminent believer sin in many things An. Here is the end of thy teaching here is thy rule here is thy foundation and here is thy obedience and here is thy fruites and here is thy service who commits sin and a Servant to Sin and free from righteousness Iohn 8.24 Rom. 16.20 Oh thou blasphemer and slanderer of the just when wilt thou cease from thy Lyes and blasphemy where dost or canst thou prove such a Scripture as the most emmment believer Sin in any things when the Scripture saith he that believeth is born of God and he that is bore of God sinneth not for whosoever sinneth hath not seen him neither known him and he that committeth sin is of the Devill and there 's thy condition and he is thy Father who is the father of all lyars as thou art i Iohn 3.3 4 5 6 7 8. Priest And to conclude thy filthy rotten stuff thou sayest they that make not the word of God the rule for their actions are led either by their own fancies or the Devils temptations or both Asn Thee Priest Townsend art here laid open and thou art uncovered and here thou art found to be a denyer of the word and rule and foundation and thou art led by thy dreames and fancies and thy foundation is in the dust and thou art reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for everlasting fire and here thou in all these thy lyes art shut out from God and all the Children of God among the doggs and Sorcerers and the Lake is thy portion which is the portion of all lyars Iude. 6 7 8. thus have we returned a full answer unto thy senseless stuff and in plainness have we dealt with thee and have not flatterd thee at all there cal it not railing least thou violate the Scriptures so with the word of truth thou art tryed and comprehended and us shalt thou witness eternally when the book of Conscience comes to be opened and thou judged out of it so we remain Sufferers for the truth and witnesses against thee and thy generation Named according to the flesh Christopher Atkinson Iames Lancaster George VVhitehead Thomas Simonds Several words spoken by this said Priest Townsend before he sent these Propositions THE 16. day of the 11. month this Priest Townsend came to this Prison of Norwich and said that sprinkling of Infants was the seal of the Covenant and that it was an ordinance of Christ and that it was to the seed of believers and he sprinckled a womans Child in this prison aforesaid who was imprisoned for whoredome and for sprincling of it he took twelve pence and when he was charged with it he denyed it and then it being laid further to his charge he then could not deny it and he said he took it not for sprinckling of the Child but for coming to this prison and he said the Labourer is worthy of his hire and he said that Paul was not sent to baptize but to preach but he said hee was sent both to baptize and to preach and that he had a Commssion for both and he said we were of the Devills confederates and he said the Devil spoke in Christopher Atkinson and he said the Lord rebule thee Satan and he said the Bible is the word of God and he called Christopher Atkinson sauce-box and he said that we would take the Ministers maintenance away that they might go begging from dore to dore and he said he would send four or five propositions within a fortnight and afterward he said he would send them within a month and he said that Paul had good victuals and strong beere at one mans house and he said we might reverence Magistrates in daffing the hat and having the heads uncovered and in bowing and he said that he that prayes or prophesies with his head covered dishonors his head and he being demanded why the Priest had some of them two caps on when they pray he said because of infirmities of their bodies and he said that he would have sent propositions before now but that he said he thought we would send them to be printed therefore he said he would be cautious and wary in writing them he said that God recorded the Devills words These words were spoken by this said Sampson Townsend who calls himself a Minister of the Gospell and a Pastor FINIS