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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A39260	A letter to a friend reflecting on some passages in A letter to the D. of P., in answer to the arguing part of his first letter to Mr. G.	Ellis, Clement, 1630-1700.	1687 (1687)	Wing E565; ESTC R18718	18,279	34

if it may be proved onely that the Church of Rome doth not err I think we are obliged to Communicate with her And therefore it were enough for her to prove her self free from Error which is a much easier task if she be so then to prove her self Infallible To prove the former is enough and in vain she attempts to prove the later till the former be proved Why then labours she to no purpose For as light as this Author makes of Instances yet all the World knows that a single Instance in one Error is enough to answer all the Arguments can be brought for her Infallibility seeing it must needs be false to say she cannot err who in any one thing doth err And truly I think her very claim to Infallibility is enough to prove that she doth err and therefore is not Infallible That an erring Church may plead Tradition himself does not greatly deny which is one thing that he longs to hear made out And he needs not go to the Greek Church his own will abundantly shew it him But That an erring Church adheres to Tradition if he means true Apostolical Tradition and adhering to it wholly and onely I know no man that will undertake to make it out to save his longing Let him shew us the Church that holds to this Tradition and we will not onely grant she errs not but will also be of her Communion though we will not grant her to be Infallible and so an happy end will be put to all our Disputes at once I confess it seems very odd to me that men should call us Hereticks and condemn us for erring in Faith and at the same time prove the Articles of their own Faith by the Infallibility of their Church and ground that Infallibility on Tradition and prove that Tradition to be an Infallible conveyance by an Argument which if it proves any thing to the purpose must prove that no man that hath been taught the Faith can ever err from it and yet still withal confess that a Church following Tradition now may leave it afterwards If a man may leave the Rule and by leaving it err in Faith then his holding to it formerly did not secure him from all error in Faith. And if a man cannot err from what he hath been taught then can no man that hath been taught the Faith be an Heretick In short Christ and his Apostles taught one and the same Doctrine Innovations 't is certain and Alterations have been made in this Doctrine it 's no matter whether it was through Forgetfulness or Malice or some other motive such things undeniably there are amongst Christians and therefore some have been taught otherwise than at first men were taught so that without all dispute the Rule of Tradition is somewhere broken The Church of Rome saith all have broke it but she only but how proves she this She says she holds the same to day which she did yesterday and so up to our Blessed Saviour's time We call again for a proof of this She tells us if she follow'd this Rule she could never err in Faith. But did she follow this Rule She says she did and if you will not believe her there 's an end And here I might end your trouble but that I have spied a few gleanings yet behind which may possibly be worth gathering up He tells page 25. We give only a General Latitudinarian Rule common to all the Heresies in the World You know Sir that the Holy Scripture is our Rule and this is indeed the General Rule given by God to us all and in this sense Latitudinarian too that it contains all things necessary to Salvation and common to Hereticks it is and ought to be thô they miserably abuse it and thô I could tell him too of Hereticks that trusted more to his Rule than to ours He therefore must pardon us if we cannot give him a better Rule than God hath given us neither can think fit to throw it away because some men will abuse it Yea but it makes light and darkness very consistent and Christ and Belial very good friends Ibid. I hope you read not this without a more than ordinary concernment for the man who ever he is that hath so little reverence for God and his holy Word for he cannot but know that the Holy Scripture only is our Rule against which he ventures to utter so much Blasphemy All the return I shall make for this is my hearty prayer That God may give him Repentance unto life In his 26 page we are told That the Difference constituting our Protestant Rule as distinguished from that of those most abominable Hereticks can only be As my own Judgment or others of my side thus or thus interpret Scripture's Letter and wriggle saith he which way you please there it will and must end at last Who can expect less but that where men pretend to Infallibility they should also pretend to know what is our Rule better then we our selves poor fallible Creatures do To what purpose should we tell them again and again what is our Rule when they are resolved beforehand not to believe that we know what it is If this conceited Sir would give us leave to know our own minds I would tell him once more That Plain Scripture is our Rule and that the Interpretation of it by any Sect of people Romanists or others is extrinsecal to it and no constitutive difference of it In general 't is the Word of God in contradistinction to the Roman Rule of Scripture and Traditions 't is the Written Word or Scripture only and as differenced from both Romanists and other Hereticks and Sectaries it is Scripture plainly delivering a sense own'd and declared by the Primitive Church of Christ in the Three Creeds Four first General Councils and Harmony of the Fathers This I hope is plain dealing and no Wriggling and here we take up our stand let him endeavour to draw us whither he can After he has been quarrelling with our Rule and with us for not giving a more distinct Rule he next complains of us for not following our Rule Not one of a Million even of your own Protestants saith he relies on or ever thinks of relying on your Rule of Faith in order to make choice of their Faith or determining what to hold Ibid. Thô I fear many of them are too negligent yet I hope he is out in his account or else I know he is uncharitable in thus judging without taking an account of them I am apt to think they are more attentive to their Rule than he imagines or else they would be a little more indifferent which Religion prevails than most of them yet seem to be Yet be it as he would have it 't is the fault of the people onely neither of our Religion nor our Rule And he knows well enough how easie it is for us too to spie such faults abroad After much talk to the same I mean to no purpose he asks page 27. How few use all the Fallible means for you allow them no other which they are to make use of to find out their Faith Again I answer too few but yet many more than he could wish did make use of them And how Fallible soever these means be they are as Infallible as any afforded the people in his Church and as much more certain as the Word of God is more certain than that of a Priest. But now comes the great Secret of all which was never discover'd till now Not the Letter of Scripture but honest Tradition is our Rule page 28. Nay and this is evident too though we could none of us see it all this while what bad eyes have Protestants That the Tradition of our Fathers and Teachers and not Scripture's Letter is indeed our Rule page 29. Where are we now In the Church of Rome e're we were aware of it We are all good Roman Catholicks on a sudden we are become an Infallible Church and did not know it What Vertue is there in these fine Letters and how insensibly do they work upon us Fear not Sir he has proved it I 'le warrant you and that unanswerably as he does all things Children simply believe their Fathers and Teachers page 27. Therefore their Rule is Tradition This is true only we must remember 't is a Tradition of Scripture only Next all hearers do not inquire whether others give not more congruous explications of Scripture then their own preachers do Therefore they follow Tradition They do indeed follow what the preacher has deliver'd to them from the Scripture and what he has made them see plainly there they think it needless to run as far as Rome to see more clearly by unwritten Tradition Lastly The Reformers meant not that the believing Church should have the Liberty to Interpret Scripture against the teaching Church or Pastors or coin a Faith out of it contrary to the present or former Congregation of which he was a Member page 29. Therefore again they follow Tradition They do indeed Apostolical and Scriptural Tradition And herein both Pastors and People are well agreed that they are neither for Coining faith and therefore will neither of them give leave to the other so to do They have a good old Faith delivered to them both by Scripture and the Primitive Church and to this they are resolved to stand Thus Sir having given you my thoughts of this ingenious Letter I leave you to think what you can of it better desiring you only to think no worse of your own Religion for it till you hear more from Your very faithful Friend and Servant FINIS

That we cannot with Reason hold any thing for a Truth namely because the Church of Rome hath determined it for her determination is no intrinsecal ground of the Truth but onely an outward testimony or declaration of it and then what 's become either of her Infallibility or of her Authority to command our Faith Secondly That the Common People must be allow'd their Iudgment of Discretion for how without the free use of that they shall discern the Intrinsecal grounds of Truth when produced and so with Reason hold it I fear our Author cannot easily demonstrate which yet if he cannot do he must by his own Principles be forced to grant That the Church of Rome hath no more Infallibility or Authority than the Church of England hath she is to be believed onely when she produceth the Intrinsecal ground of Truth and not otherwise unless we must believe her without Reason and so far is the Church of England to be believed or any Church whatsoever And so this Author hath unawares I suppose set us all on even ground and I hope we may be able to maintain our ground against all that he saith hereafter for himself or against us to gain the advantage of us again First He falls upon the Certainty of the Protestant Faith which he hopes very easily to overthrow and it will be as easily done if it stand upon no surer ground than he would have it Suppose saith he Mr. G. could not prove Protestants are not certain are they therefore certain pag. 4. This he first imagines that all the certainty of our Faith is This that Papists cannot prove it to be uncertain and then 't is pretty to see what sport he makes with his own imagination But let him play on it seems time for us to be in earnest and more serious when the certainty of our Faith is struck at It is too weighty a matter to be play'd away at a game of Cards which is all he is commission'd to Yet will he make the World believe that we have thrown it away already nay he will needs make us believe it too You know well enough saith he that to prove Protestants have no Absolute certainty of their Faith is no hard task for a weak man. I say nothing yet of the word Absolute but ask how know we this Why we know any man may find it confessed to his hand by Protestants pag. 6. Who I pray are these Protestants Dr. Tillotson in his Rule of Faith pag. 117 118. I have so great a reverence for that very Excellent man that I am not unwilling though he be but one Protestant that he should pass for many and too many for all the Traditionary Catholicks to answer his Rule of Faith but his Confession that Protestants have no certainty of their Faith I must desire some good Catholick to shew me in those two Pages or in any other part of his Book when he can answer it for till then I despair of finding it We do not yet therefore see this Confession no nor he neither if he may be believed against himself some People have need of good Memories to save their Credit for pag. 23. he tells us We seem to grant we are thus Absolutely certain or Infallible by Virtue of Tradition How Confess we have no certainty and yet seem to grant we are Infallible and that too by Virtue of Tradition This is to make us right Traditionary Papists indeed whether we will or no such as Rushworth Dr. Holden Mr. Cressy and Mr. White all contending for the Infallilbility of Tradition and yet confessing that what the greatest part of Mankind must be satisfied with is Probability and Conjecture as he may find in the 120 th and following Pages of Dr. Tillotson's Rule of Faith where if he find them wrong'd he hath the liberty to vindicate them if he can Only I will here give him and his friends a seasonable warning That if any Protestant shall being now minded of it by him begin to plead Infallibility by virtue of Tradition it will behove them in time after their many shiftings from Post to Post to seek them out yet a new one for when both Parties pretend a like to Infallibility and Tradition neither of these can be any longer a sit Medium whereby to prove which is in the right It is agreed as he saith well on all hands Men are saved by believing and practising what Christ taught not barely by believing Scripture is Scripture Page 7. And 't is as true which he tells us Page 8. Where Churches differ in Faith infallible Faith in one cannot stand with certain Faith in the other Whence he may do well to take notice that when our certainty is once proved no more is needful to confute their Infallibility Now the Question is saith he Whether Protestants are absolutely certain that they hold now the same Tenets in Faith and all that our Saviour taught his Apostles Page 6. Which Question in that Challenge of his Page 22. is thus explained Make manifest that Protestants have absolute certainty not only of the Scripture which they call their Rule but of the Faith which they pretend to have from that Rule or else suffer another thing to be manifest viz. That you cannot do it and thither I am sure it will come The Proof he often tells us is our part and though he be so confident that we cannot make it good yet are we not afraid to undertake it even all that he here calls upon us to prove leaving out the word Absolutely till he tell us what is meant by it as he will do anon The certainty that we have of the Holy Scripture which we acknowledg to be our Rule of Faith we manifest after the same manner as they do theirs except only that we ground it not on the Infallibility of their Church and yet if that will do us any good we have it too confirming our certainty But so much certainty he yields us only he asks Did our Saviour teach and do Protestants believe no more than that the Book so call'd is Scripture Page 6. Yes tho I do not find that our Saviour ever taught that the Book so called is Scripture one great part whereof was not written when he taught yet do we believe that it is Scripture and Divine Scripture ' the Word of God containing in it all things necessary to Salvation and that all things therein contain'd are true Now this being granted us that our Scripture is God's Word we think that we do sufficiently prove the certainty of every Article of our Faith when we shew it to be solidly grounded on that Word and this being shewn our Faith is either certain or they who deny it to be so must affirm the Word of God on which it is wholly grounded to be no good ground of Certainty Neither indeed can these men deny the certainty of our Faith without denying that of their own too so