am a vine I am the Doore c. both which Texts all grant that they are to be taken figuratiuely you may heere first answere that in these and such like SenteÌ„ces euer Praedicatur disparatum de disparato and therefore the words in their owne nature do inforce a figuratiue construction but in the words of the Institution there is no such kynd of vnusuall Predication at least in the apparence of the words themselues Secondly you may demande of your Minister if he can alledge any passage of Scripture which affirmeth that these words This is my body c. ought to be interpreted by those words I am the Vine I am the Dore If he say he can alledge any such passage will him co shew it if the Scripture saith not so as indeed it doth not then force him to confesse that it is not the Scripture but himselfe that warranteth such Conference of places of Scripture Animaduersion LV. THe Protestant vndertaking to proue euery point by Scripture is obliged to proue his Negatiue Articles by Scripture admitting them for points of faith as that there is no Purgatory that we ought not to pray to the Saints c. and this not from the silence only of the Scripture not speaking of such points but from it as the Scripture particularly condemneth them Add hereto that though the Scripture by not speaking of Purgatory dispâ—oueth the being of it yet doth not the Scripture therfore proue as an Article of faith which is a point here to be insisted vpon that there is no Purgatory Euen as the Scripture speaketh nothing in a propheticall Spirit That Mahomet was a false Prophet and yet though the Scripture by not speaking of him should coâ—demne him for such iâ— neuerthelesse followeth not that we ought to belieue from the Scripture as an Article of faith that Mahomet was a false Prophet since it is one to say that the Scripture by silence and not speaking of a point proueth the thing not to be another thing to affirme that the Scripture proueth the not beleife of the said point to be an Article of faith Animaduersion LVI DEmand of your Aduersary if he can alledge any place of Scripture warranting his Infallibility of expounding the Scripture And if he detort any text of Scripture to that end or purpose tell him that if such a text seeme to make for his not erring in expounding the Scripture then much more maketh it for the not erring of the whole Church of Christ therin Now if the whole Church of Christ hath erred in interpreting Gods written Wâ—rd as many Protestants do teach then aske the Minister with what face can he being but one member of the Church and perhaps (b) Whitak de Eccles cont Bellar. ontrou 2. q 4. p. 223. Luther Ep. ad Argen Parkins in his Exposition of the Creed p. 40â— vnlearned assume to himselfe a freedome of not erring when he interpreteth the Scripture Animaduersion LVII It is much worth the obseruation to balaÌ„ce the Spirit of Luther being Catholike touching his cariage in manners with that his Spirit when he became a Protestant During his being a Catholike in Religion he thus wryteth of himselfe I liuing in the (c) Luther ad Galat. c. 1. ofter the English Translation Monastery punished my body with fasting watching and prayer J honored (d) Luther vbi supra the Pope of meere Conscience kept chastity pouerty and obedience And whatsoeuer I did I did it with a single hart of good zeale and for the glory of God fearing grieuously the last day desirous to be saued from the bottome of my hart Thus he during his continuance in the papacy But now vpon his change of Religion and his becoming a Protestant he turneth his style and thus wryteth of himselfe Quam (e) Luth. tom 5. Wittenberg serm de matrimonio fol. 119. non est in meis viribus c. As it is not in my power that J should be no Man so it is not in my power that I should be without a Woman It is not in our prwer that it should be either stayed or stopped But it is as necessary as J should be a Man and more necessary then to eate drinke purge make cleane the nose c. And further Luther thus confesseth in an other place (f) Luther in Colioq Mensal fâ—â— c. â—6 I am almost mad through the rage of lust and desire of Women And yâ—t more (g) Luther com â— Epist. latin fol. â— 4. ad Philipâ—um I am burned with the great flame of my vntamed flesh I who ought to be feruent in the Spirit am feruent in the flesh in lust â—ath c. Eight dayes are now past wherein J neither writ prayed nor studied being vexed partly with the temptations of the flesh partly with other trouble This â—is change of manners was such from his former course as that (h) Slâ—yâ—an Commâ—nt in English lib. 3. anno 21. fol. 29. Sleydam the Protestant sayth Luthers Profession was not of life or manners but of Doctrine further saying that (i) Slâ—ydan vbi supra fol. 2â— Luther wished that he were remoued from the office of preaching because his manners and life did not answeare to his Profession And hereupon as the world knoweth he persuaded Catharine Bore to leaue her Monastery whome he after maried Now I referre to any man of sincere and impartiall iudgement whether the Profession of Chastity prayer Humility desire of sauing ones soule for such was Luthers Life in the Papacy be the effects of a false religion and contrarywise insatiablenes of lust rage towards Women with contempt of prayer c. can be a Character of a true Religion O no. Non (k) Luc. 6. est arbor â—ona quae facit fructus malos Animaduersion LVIII THat Luther chaÌ„ged his Doctrine touching saying of Masse as being persuaded by the Diuell is euident out of his owne â—ords for Luther thuâ— writeth hereof Vpon a (c) Luther to 7. Wittenberg tyme I was suddenly awaked about midnight Then Satâ—n beganne this disputation with me saying Harken right learned Doctour Luther thou hast ceâ—ebrated Massâ— by the space of fyfteene yeares c. And so Luther himsâ—lfe iâ— the booke heare alledged in the marget setteth downe the Arguments at large which the Diuell vsed to diswade him from saying of Masse to which Arguments Luther giuing assent did for beare after to say Masse Now that Luther had not this Apparition from any good Angell appeareth First in that Luther tearmeth hym that appeared Satan Secondly because Luther thus in another place confesseth saying J haue (d) Luther in loc Com. Class 4. p. 59. no apparition of Angels J haue made a couenant with the Lord that he should not send me visions Now that this cannot be onely any Spirituall fight or conference in mynd with the Diuell as M. Chark and D. Fulke do answere appeareth in that Luther sayth The Diuell
â—â—gurae illae verborum offendunt Jndurabo Coâ— Pharaonis similes Certum ect enim Hebraâ—â—phrazi significare Permissionem non voluntatem efficacem That is these formes of words 〈◊〉 not offend vs for it is certaine that in the Hebrew phraze they signify only permission and nâ—â— any efficacious will Add hereto how repugnant our Aduersaries exposition of this 〈◊〉 diuers other such Texts is to the words of God deliuered by Ezechiell cap. 33. which words may serue as a Syntax or Comment to paraphraze al the threatning passages set downe in Scripture against Sinners and against the doctrine of Reprobation shewing that all such comminations are only Conâ—â—tional Thus then Ezechiel in the Person of God Si dixero impio c. Yf J shall say to the wicked Thou shalt dye the death and he do pâ—â—nance for his Sinne and do Judgment and Iâ—stice liuing he shall liue and shall not dye Animaduersion CLI THe example of Elias is much prostituted by our Aduersaries for the warranting of their owne Churches Inuisibility for so many ages but how impertinently it is vrged obserue what followeth First I say this example maketh wholy against the Protestants seing the words of Elias Relictus sum (27) Reg. 1. solus were not spoken generally of all the Iewish people but only in regard of the Country of Israell and accordingly God answered the complaint of Elias with restraint to that only Country the Scripture saying immediatly after I haue left to me in Jsraell seauen thousand which haue not bowed vnto Baal Add hereto that in those very tymes the Church did greatly florish in the adioyning Countryes of Iuda as was to Elias then knowne and visible vnder the reigne of Asa and Iosaphat And thus is this obiection so much prized by diuers of our Aduersaries answered by (28) In corpore Doctrinae pag. 530. Melancthon Enoch (29) In his Soueraigne remedy pag. 17. Clappam Againe admitting these seauen thousand were vnknowne to Elias yet followeth it not that they were vnknowne to all others at that tyme Much lesse then is this example of force to proue that the Church of God may be latent and inuisible for many hundred yeares together not to one Elias only but to the whole World But for a further discouering of the weakenes of this Example let vs grant for the tyme that the Iewish Synagogue was in the dayes of Elias wholy inuisible yet is this example most defectiuely alledged as applyed to the Church of Christ Since the predictions and promisses made to the Church of Christ whose (30) Hebr cap. 8. testament is established in better promises are far greater and more worthy then those of the Iewish Synagogue Againe the foresaid Example doth not extend to the whole Châ—rch of God before Christ but only to the Iewish Synagogue as being a part or member therof for besides the Iewes there were diuers others faythfull as Melchisedech Cornelius the Eunuch of the Queene of Candace c. Thus far in solution of this obiection Animaduersion CLII. OVr Aduersaries do first teach that concerning Matter of fayth they are to belieue nothing for certaine but only the holy Scripture Secondly they teach that (31) So writeth D. Reynolds in his Conference with M. Hart. pa. 68. it is not the shew but the sense of the worâ—â— of Scripture that must decide Controuersies And that herein the Scripture doth not instruct them of it self but by certaine meanes as M. Hooker (32) In Eccles Policy l. 2 pa. 116. affirmeth Thirdly these Meanes are affirmed to be the reading (33) These meanes are set downe by D. Reynolds in his Conference p. 83. 84. sequentib and by D. Whitaker de sacra scriptura p. 521 522. 523. thereof the Conference of places the weighing of the circumstances of the Text skill iâ— tongues diligence and prayer Fourthly they affirme that these being Actions on their behalfe are but humane Endeauours and such wherein euery man without extraordinary priuiledge from God is subiect to Errour Fiftly they teach that these meanes according to the Nature of themselues afford a necessary doubtfulnes and vncertainty of opinion and therfore D. Whitaker thus writeth hereof Qualia (34) D. Whitak de Eccles contra Bellarm. Controu 2. q. 4. p. 227. illa media sunt talem ipsam interpretationem esse necesse est at media interpretandi loca obscura sunt incerta dubia ambigua Ergo fieri non potest quin ipsa etiam interpretatio incerta sit Si incerta tunc esse potest falsa Thus D. Whitaker discourseth of the foresaid meanes of interpreting the Scripture Now these being the confessed grounds and principles of our Aduersaries Doctrine they do appeare to be no other but as it were linked chaynes or naked connexions of vnauoydable vncertainty which point appeareth more fully from the example of Luther Swinglius Caluin all who vanted that they did vse the foresaid meanes in interpreting these few words Hoc est corpus meum and yet the end was that they deliuered mere contrary constructions of the said words so as supposing one of their constructions to be true it followeth necessarily that the other Construction is false Animaduersion CLIII THe Absurdities necessarily accompaning the doctrine of the Pope being Antichrist are many and great For the more cleere vnderstanding whereof we are here to repeate what was aboue deliuered vpon other occasions First then Luther thus writeth We (35) Luth lib. contra Anabaptist Confesse that there is vnder the Papacy most of the Christian good yea rather all the Christian Good and that from thence it came to vs. Verily we confesse that in the Papacy thâ—â—â— is true Scripture true baptisme the true Sacrament of the Altar the true Kâ—yes of Remission of sinnes c. Yea further that there is in the Papacy true Christianity or rather the true Kernâ—â— of Christianity Thuâ— fâ—r Luther with whom to omit diuers other Protestants D. Doâ—â— conspireth saying (36) D Doue in his persuasion to English Recusants pag. 23. We hold the Creed of the Apostles of Athanasius of Nice of Ephesus of Constantinople and the same Bible which 〈◊〉 receaued from them Now marke the ineuitable absurdity rysing from the premisses Yf the Pope being the head of the Papacy 〈◊〉 Antichrist as our Aduersaries do dreame doth it not then inauoydably follow that with Antichrist there is all the Christian Good that from Antichrist the Protestants receaue the true Scripture true Baptisme the true vse of other Sacraments to wit of the Altar and Absolution of our sinnes Finally that from Antichrist they receaue the Apostles Creed and the other Creeds aboue specifyed What impossibilityes are these and is not this potentially and implicitly to turne Christ into Antichrist Againe the Scripture prophesyeth that the Church of Christ as I haue shewed aboue shall conuert Kings and Kingdomes of the Gentills vnto it according to those words of Esay speaking of the
mâ—n forcible to wring out Confession then any racâ—â— torment For the proofe of this verity I refer the studious Reader to the Booke of the Protestants Apology where beginning at the Page 684. sâ—quentib at the letter M. in the margent he shall find fyfty at least of our Affirmatiue and Catholike Doctrines defended and maintayned by the most learned Protestants that euer did write I will here only reckon the tiles of diuers of the said Articles so belieued and taught by the Protestants viz. 1. Real presence 2. That Sacraments do confer grace 3. The sufficiency of Chricts corporall Death 4. That Christ descended in soule into Limbus Patrum 5. The continuall Visibility of the Church 6. The Necessity of Good works to Saluation 7. Euangelicall Counsells 8. The Doctrine of vniuersality of Grace 9. That God doth only permit sinne but decreeth it not 10. That men are not certaine of their Election 11. That to Children of the faythfull dying vnbaptized saluation is not promised 12. Free-will 13. That in regard of Christs Passion and promisse our Good works are meritorious 14. TeÌ„porall punishment reserued by God in Iustice after the sinne is remitted 15. Peters Primacy 16. Intercession of Angells 17. Intercession of Saincts 18. Jnuocation of Saincts 19. Vowed Chastity 20. Voluntary â—ouerty Chastity and Obedience 21. Prayer for the Dead 22. Purgatory 23. Limbus Patrum 24. Images in Churches 25. Worshipping of Images 26. Reuerence and bowing at the name of Jesus 27. That the good Works of one may help another 28. Power of a priest to remit sinnes 29. Confession of sinnes 30. Distinction of mortall and veniall sinne 31. The indifferency of Communion vnder one kind 32. Sacrifice of the New Testament according to the Order of Melchisedech 33. The possibâ—lity of the Commandements 34. Transubstantiation 35. That Christ is God of God 36. Thaâ— Christ as Man was from his Natiuity free from Ignorance and was full of knowledg 37 Baptisme of Women and Lay persons in tyme oâ— Necessity 38. Seauen Sacraments 39. Implicitâ— fayth called Fides implicita 40. That Antichrist is yet to come 41. Patronage and protection of certaine Angells ouer certaine Countryes and Kingd mes 42. That the Obseruation of Sunday for our â—abaoth is not alterable 43 That the alteration of the â—aboth from Saturdâ—â— to Sunday not proued by Scripture 44. Set tymes of fasting 45. The true visible Church cannot erre 46. Externall iudgment and not onâ—y Scripture appointed for determining of Contrâ—uersies 47. That the gouerment of the Church is Monarchicall 48. Which is true Scripture determined to vs only by the Church 49. That the Church of Rome is a part of the house of God 50. Vnwritten Traditions besides some other Catholike points taught by the learned Protestants Here now I demand that if the Protestants Proselyts and followers do belieue their Grand-maisters in diuers points of their owne Religion why then should not they belieue the learned Protestants maintayning our Catholike doctrines â—ntâ— abstracting from the authority of the Church both the said seuerall sorts of Protestants do maintayne their contrary Tenets euen with equall and indifferent priuiledg of their owne Priuate Spirit Animaduersion CLXXXVIII AS aboue I compared Luther being Catholike touching manners and Conuersation of Lyfe with Luther being Protestant So heere I will make another comparatiue betweene the Liues of Catholikes and of Protestants And here it is to be obserued that I will not compare the most pious men in former tymes with the best of the Protestants nor the worst men for life of the one Religion with the worst of the other but for the greater confronting of our Aduersaries and aduantage to our Catholike Cause I will compare the declining state of Catholike tymes with the best tymes of Protestancy which is presumed to be at the first entrance and beginning of Protestancy when the first Protestants enioyed the â—rimitiae and first fruites of their Religion This point will be made euident euen from the confessions of the Protestants themselues First then we fynd Luther himself thus to write From (n) Luth in postill super Euangel Dominiâ—ae primae Aduentus the tyme in which the pure Doctrine of the Gospell was first reuealed to light the world hath growne dayly worse Men are more reuengefull couetous licentious then they were euer before in the Papacy With whom Musculus agreeth thus complayning hereof Vt verum (o) Musculus in loc com in cap de Decalog pag. 62. essâ— fateor c. To confesse the truth men are become so vâ—â—ike themselues that whereas in the Pâ—pacy they were religious in their Errours and Superstition now in the light of the knowne truth they are more prophaâ—â— then the very Sonnes of the world I wiâ—â— conclude with the testimony of Erasmus thus discoursing of this point Quos (p) Erasmus Ep. ad fratres Inferioris Germaniae aâ—tea noueram c. Such men as I knew to be before vpright candid modest and sincere in theâ— Conuersation after they had embraced thâ—â— new Sect meaning of the Gospell they iâ—stantly begun to talke of young Women to playâ— dice to leaue of prayer to be most impatient reuengfull of Iniuries and to conclude to abaâ—don all humanity expertus loquor Thus far â—rvsmus And thus much of the balancing oâ— men of these two seuerall Religions Noâ— I heere refer to an indifferent Iudgmenâ— whether it be not a great blemish to Protestancy that it is confessed by the Protâ—stants that the Professours thereof euen 〈◊〉 their best tymes were far worse and moâ— wicked in manners then the Catholikâ—â— their worst and most declyning tymes Animaduersion CLXXXIX THe Protestants much solace themselâ—â— in alledging certaine Texts of Scriptâ—â— in proofe of Iustification by fayth only whâ—â— passages being truly weighed are found 〈◊〉 be most weakely or rather impertineâ—â— alledged as in Math. 9. Thy fayth hath sâ—â— thee Iohn 3 Who belieueth in the Sonne hâ— eternall Lyfe Finally to omit some oâ—â— such seeming Texts Rom. 5. We being â—â—â—fyed by fayth let vs haue peace towards God Tâ— these and such like I answere and deny that it followeth That Fayth only iustifyeth though only Fayth be named For sometymes also other Vertues are only named or the Sacraments For example Luc. 7. we read Many sinnes are forgiuen her because she loued much Iob. 12. Almes deeds freeth from death Rom. 8. By hope we are saued Finally Titus 3. He hath saued vs by the Lawes of regeneration besydes many other such passages And yet no man will gather from theâ—e authorities that Charity or Almesdeeds or Hope or Baptisme do iustiâ—y without Fayth Therfore when many different causes concur to produce one Effect the Scripture ascribeth the same Effect sometymes to one Cause sometymes to another and yet the Scripture doth not intend thereby to signiâ—y that one cause is sufficient without the other causes Now the reason why the Apostle more frequently attributes Iustification to fayth
by his owne learned Brethrens Confessions or else he must rest silent And this is the reason why the Protestants are so loath to dispute of the Church Since this Question compreheÌ„deth in it selfe diuers points of fact as of its continuall Visibility Antiquity Succession Ordination and Mission of Pastours c. All which Questions receaue their proofes from particular Instances warranted from History by shewing the particular Tymes Persons and other circumstances concerning matter of Fact Animaduersion XXI WE Catholikes charge the Protestants with a vicious Circle of dispute between the Scripture and the spirit and in requitall hereof the Protestants do reciprocally insimulate vs Catholiks within the said vicious circular argumentation betweene the Scripture and the Church Now let vs see whether of vs stand truly chargeable herewith That the Catholikes are free from this kind of arguing I thus proue The Catholikes touching the Scripture and the Church do euer make their proofes in seuerall kinds of Causes and by a partiall manner of proofe and therby do still proue one thing by another more knowne to those persons to whom it is to be proued The actuall assent and beliefe it selfe is wrought wherby we infallibly belieue the Mysteries reuealed though we belieue the verity of the Scriptures reuelation by the authority of the Church propounding the Churches proposition for the authority of the Scriptures reuealing wherby the Scripture reuealing doth giue vs testimony of the Church propounding againe the Church propounding of the Scriptures reuealing Neuerthelesse this reciprocall testimony and proofe is not any proper vicious circle First because it is in diuerso genere causae in diuers kinds of causes for the testimonies of the Scriptures reuelation to the infallibility of the Churches proposition is causa formalis the formall cause by the which we assent to the Churches proposition But the Churches proposition is only Causa conditionalis or as we vse to speake Conditio fine qua non to know the Scriptures Reuelation and so they are reciprocall in a different manner of proofe the one that is Scripture à Priori as including diuine reuelation the other that is the Church à Posteriori required only as a condition The former as a formall precedent Cause the later as a subsequent annexed condition Secondly this reciprocall proofe is not adomnino idem as Aristotle requires to a Circle that is the one is not the totall and sole cause of knowing the other for the Churches proposition is not knowne only by the Scriptures reuelation and not otherwise but also by other proofes signes and testimoâ—ies to wit Miracles Consent Sanctity c. all which conuince that the Churches authority is necessary and infallible to distinguish the true sense of the Scripture from false and to end Controuersies about Scripture But now to cast our eye vpon the Protestants Circle prouing the Scripture by the priuate Spirit and the priuat Spirit from the Scripture it is euident that they proue the Scripture by the Spirit and Spirit by the Scripture in one the same kind of Cause and by one sole whole manner of proofe For demaund of a Protestant how and by what meanes he vnderstaÌ„deth the Scripture He answeres by the Spirit and so knowes the Scripture by the Spirit And aske him by what meanes he knowes he hath the true spirit he answeres the Scripture assures himselfe therof since he is one of the Elect. And thus this his proofe is truly Circular and vicious as being deliuered in eodem genere Causae and omnino ad idem Animaduersion XXII IT is most certaine that Protestants deny all Authorities of all affirmatiue heads making their last refuge to their owne priuaâ— Spirit and Iudgement For example if we insist in the affirmatiue Notes and Marks of the Church to wit vniuersality visibility vnity c. ouâ— aduersaryes as is aboue said discard the testimonyes of all these heads by erecting for Notes the preaching of the word and administration of the Sacraments so reducing to their owne iudgment only when the word is truly preached and the Sacramâ—nts rightly administred Yf in matters of fact we recurre to History I meane concerning visibility Succession vocation c. they reiect this authority by saying Sufficit (g) Whitak contra Duraeum l. 7 p. 478. nobis c. To vs it is sufficient by comparing the Popish opinions with the Scrâ—pture to discouer the disparity of faith betweene them and vs. And as for Historiographers we giue them liberty to wryte what they will If we produce the testimonyes of particular Fathers of the Primitiue Church marke how Luther depresseth them (h) Luth. de seruo arbis 1551. pag. 434. The Fathers of so many ages haue beene plainly blind most ignorant in the Scriptures they haue erred all their life time vnlesse they were amended before their death they were neither Saincts nor pertayning to the Church If we produce Generall Councels they answere saying (i) Petâ—â— Martyr l. de votis pa. 476. As long as we insist in Generall Councels so long we shall continue in the Popish Errors If we passe to Apostolicall Traditions Cartwright in depressing Traditions maintained by S. Austin thus wryteth To (k) Sâ—â— Cartwright in whitgifts defence p. 103. allow S. Austins saying touching Traditions is to bring in popery If we alledge diuers passages of Scripture as out of Toby Ecclesiasticus the Machabees the Protestants with full voyce deny them to be Canonicall and style them only Apocriphal If we take our authorityes out of such books of Scripture as are acknoledged for Scripture on both sydes the Protestants deny the Translation of the Scripture to be true sincere which point appeareth both from the Protestants mutual condemning one anothers translation of Scripture as also from the most bitter censure giuen by our English Puritans against our English Translaiion whereof seuerall books writteÌ„ by them are yet extaÌ„t If we Catholikes proceed further in insisting in the Originall of both the Testaments the Protestants deny that the Originalis are at this present true Thus for example in Math c. 10. we read 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 the first Peter Beza (l) Beza in Annotat noui Testam 1556 denyeth the Originall herein mantayning that the word 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 was inserted into the text by some one fauoring the Popes Primacy In like sort (m) Beza vâ—i supra Beza denyeth that the Greeke Originall in Math. 22. is at this present the same as it was penned by the Euangelist mantayning that it is corrupted in fauour of the Realâ— presence If we yet ascending further entrench our selfe in such books of Scripture whose Originals Translations are accepted on ech party as true and incorrupted and tel our Aduersaryes that the whole Church of God in her primitiue and purest tymes interpreted the passages of Scripture in that sense in which they are at this present by the Catholikes alledged the Protestants
â—hrist This man is God Oecolampadius (a) L. de genuina explicat Vâ—rb â—cknowledgeth not any Trope either in the â—ronoune Hoc or in the Verbe Est but in â—orpus thus interpreting the words by the â—gure Metonymia Hoc est corpus meum id est â—ic panis est figura corporis mei Finally to â—mit others Caluin (b) Câ—lâ— l 4. Inst c 17. §. â—â— admitteth with â—ecolampadius the figure to be in the word â—orpus but withall he addeth that the bread of the Eucharist is not a naked signe of the body of Christ but it is a signe or fiâ—ure which doth truly exhibit the thing it selfe to wit the body of Christ Thus we see what diuers interpretations and all false our Aduersaries do giue of the words of the Jnstitution And thus as they all reiect our Catholike interpretation of them so â—ot any one of the former ProtestaÌ„ts doth 〈◊〉 holy imbrace the exposition of another Animaduersion XXV DO not admit this Inference as good Some Fathers do interpret this or that text of Scripture figuratiuely Therefore the said Fathers do teach that such Texts are not to be expounded literally This is a meere Sophisâ— for seeing diuers texts of Scripture beside the literall are capable of allegoricall sense as all learned men both Catholicks anâ— Protestants do teach therefore the figuratiue sense doth not exclude but rather often presuppose and admit of the literall According hereto S. Austin passing ouer a presumed and granted the literall sense 〈◊〉 those words Qui (c) Iohn â— bibit meum sanguineâ— c. allegorically expoundeth them in thâ— sort Bibere sanguinem Christi est credere 〈◊〉 Christum to drinke the bloud of Christ is to belieue in Christ. In like sort also do not approue this kind of disputing for it is a meere Schiomachia or fighting with a shadow The Scriptures speake honourably oâ— Mariage which all we Catholiks do willingly acknowledg therefore vowed virginity is not to be allowed our Aduersaries here laboring to disualew the worth of Virginity by the acknowledged dignity of Mariage its opposit For the worth of both these may stand together the one not crossing the other and in things that are good we must acknowledg there are degrees of goodnes and accordingly we here say Mariage is good but yet vowed virginity is better In like sort our Aduersaries vse another fraudulent kind of reasoning called Logomachia where leauing the sense childishly contend with the naked word for exaÌ„ple find say they the word Purgatory or Masse 〈◊〉 the Scripture if you can But what â—lloweth from hence for are the words â—rinity Person Consubstantiality c. in the â—cripture they are not must we therefore â—â—iect the doctrine of them To proceed â—â—other captious arguing of our aduersaâ—es is taking hold of the very letter conâ—â—ary to the approued mind of the Church â—r example the word Presbyter in Greeke 〈◊〉 nothing but a Seniour therefore in the â—hurch of the new Testament there are no â—riests so truly called But S. Thomas in 1. â—art quaest 13. shall salue this Argument â—ying we are to obserue in words non tam a â—o quam ad quid not so much from whence â—hey are deriued as to what by a warrantaâ—e custome they are applied Animaduersion XXVI THe peruersity of our Aduersaries is such who lighting vpon some few straying â—assages in the Fathers writings where the â—ucharist is called bread they mainely câ—y â—ut that in the Fathers Iudgment it is noâ—hing but materiall bread And yet when in â—uery leafe or page of the Fathers works â—pon this matter they find it termed The body and bloud of Christ all such places or els we wrong them must be interpreted figuratiuely Thus they insisting much in those â—phrazes which are but rare in the Fathers and passing ouer with a censuring neglect such forme of speeches as most frequently occurre in their Bookes Now the Eucharist may be called bread by the Fathers afteâ— consecration without any preiudice to our Catholike doctrine for seuerall reasons the Fathers borrowing this kind oâ— phraze from the Scripture Panis (e) 1. Cor. 10. queâ— frangimus c. First because it is an accustomed Dialect of the Scripture to call a thing by that name which afore it was Thus it Genes 3. Eua is called the bone of Adam because she was made thereof and the Serpents of Moyses in Exod. 7. are termed wandes because the wandes were turned into serpents so for this very reason the Eucharist is somtimes termed bread by the Fathers Another reason why the Eucharist may be called bread by the Scriptures and consequently by the Fathers is in regard of the similitude which it hath with bread I meane in nourishing the soule as bread doth nourish the body A third reason in that the Scripture and in like manner the Fathers do often call things as they do externally appeare to the Eye so the Scripture calls Angels who appeared in humane shape Men and the Brazen serpent a serpent c. Therefore the Eucharist may be termed bread and Wyne either by the Scripture or the Fathers in that to the eye it seemeth only Bread and Wyne Animaduersion XXVII IF it be not lawfull to pray to Saincts the reason hereof must be either because they will not heare vs praying to them But this cannot be seeing they are now endued with more Charity then when they here conuersed vpon earth and being secure of their owne felicity are more sollicitous of our spirituall good and health Or els because the Saints cannot helpe vs. But neither this For if they could help vs with their prayers while they were pilgrimes in this world much more are they now able being arriued to their owne Country Or because they do not know what we pray But not this because from what ground the Angells do know the conuersion of sinners for which conuersion they so much reioyce as is said in Luke 15. from the same ground the Saints do know our prayers Or lastly which is the most ordinary reason giuen by our Aduersaries because an Jniury is committed against God if any other be prayed inuoked vnto then he But not this for then it were vnlawfull to inuocate and pray to the liuing and consequently S. Paul sinned and offended God when he writ thus to the f Romans Brethren I beseech you that you would helpe me in your prayers for me to God Which kind of prayer the Apostle vseth in his Epistle to the Ephesians c. 6. in the first to the Thessalonians c. 5. in his Epistle to the Colossians c. 4. finally in his Epistle to the Hebrews c. 13. Animaduersion XXVIII TOuching Communion vnder one kind oâ— vnder both the true state of this Question is not whether Christ did institute thâ— Eucharist vnder both kinds or whetheâ— himselfe and the Apostles at the first Instiâ—ution of it receaued â—t vnder both kindâ— or whether the Apoâ—â—les and the Father afterwards at sundry tymes
not the word of God which doth or possibly can assure vs we do well to thinke it is his word Nâ—w if the Scriptures be confessedly vnable to afford vs certaine proofe of themselues then in all true consequence of Reason much lesse are they able to direct exempt vs in case of doubt and question infallibly from Errour the rather as D. Reynolds truly confesseth in (h) Confer c. 2. Diuis 2. pag. 68. that it is not the shew but the sense of the Scripture that must decide Controuersies Now from this I infer that if according to the learned (i) The Authour of the Treatise of the Scripture and the Church cap. 16. fol. 75. Whita con Staplet l. 2. c. 4. p. 203. Kempn in Exam. part 1. pag. 69. and diuers others Protestants here cited it is to be determined to vs which is Scripture by the iudgment of the Church which confessedly hath the assistance of the Holy Ghost in infallibly discerning to vs which Books of Scripture are sacred and which not then necessarily followeth the Churches no lesse needfull assistance of the same Spirit in her like discerning vnto vs the sense of the said Scripture for what auayleth it vs to be made certaine of the Bookes and least vncertaine of the Sense Or what reason can our Aduersaries alledg whereby to acknowledge the Churches priuiledg in the one and deny it where it is no lesse needfull in the other This inference being granted vtterly ouerthroweth the Priuate spirit in its interpretation of Scripture Animaduersion XLIX IT is a demonstration in confutation of the Priuate spirit interpreting the Scrippture to obserue the different or rather contrary constructions which Luther and Caluin and others giue of that short sentence Hoc est Corpus meum c. Hic est sanguit meus And yet they all do vant of their enioying the said Spirit And therfore it is the lesse wonder that S. Austin (k) Austin cont Maximum Arian l. 1. affirmeth that it hath euer beene the custome of all Heretikes to flie to Scripture alone as it is interpreted by this Priuat Spirit The absurdity of which opinion more euidently appeares since it is certaine that among diuers meere contrary or coÌ„tradictory pointâ— of fayth the Scripture condemneth the onâ— And yet both the maintainers of the said contrary doctrines do flie to the Scripture as Iudge Now what madnes is it for 〈◊〉 man willingly to couet to appeale to that Iudg by whom it is certaine his cause shal be condemned Neither can either of the Litigants put any confidence in the meanes of truly interpreting the Scripture to wit Prayer Conference of places of Scripture knowledg in the Tongues c. since all these meaneâ— are most vncertaine euen by the Confession of D. Whitaker thus writing (l) Whitak l. 2. de Eccles cont Bellar. contr 1. quaest 4 Medâ—â— interpretandi â—oca scripturae sunt incerta c. The meanes of interpreting the obscure places oâ— Scripture are vncertaine doubtfuâ—l and ambiguous Therfore it cannot be otherwise but the interpretation it selfe must be vncertaine Si incerta tum potest essâ— falsa if the interpretation be vncertaine then may it be false Thus far the said Doctour Animaduersion L. TOuching the depressing of General Councells Peter Martyr thus writeth As long (m) L. de votis pag. 476. as we insist in Generall Councells so long we shall continue in the Papists Errours with whom D. Whitaker conspires in these words Generall (n) Lib. de Concil cont Bellar. q. 6. Councells may erre Now let vs see the great and many disparities wherby a Generall Councell is infinitly aduantaged in respect of not erring aboue the Priuate Spirit of any one man First then a Councell I heere only speake of Generall Councells is in S. Austins (o) So doth S. Austin terme a Generall Councell Ep. 161. iudgment The supreme Tribunall in the Church of God The Priuate Spirit hath but his owne braynes for the Seate of his Iudicature A CouÌ„cell receaues its promise from (p) Where two or three are gathered together in my name c. Math. 18. Christ that his assisting presence shall not be wanting thereto The priuate Spirit euen by Gods (q) No prophesy is of any priuate interpretation 2. Per. c. 1. owne sentence wanteth the certainty of expounding the Word truly A Councell is much reuerenced by the ancient (r) Ierom. l. cont Lucifer Ambr. Ep. 32. Athan Epist ad Epicterum Fathers and acknowledged by diuers of our learned (s) D. Couel in his modest Exam. p. 110. c. Aduersaries to be the only certaine meanes of determining Controuersies The Priuate Spirit it that of which we are (t) Dearely beloued belieue not euery Spirit c. commanded to doubt and of whose seducing (u) These things I haue written to you concerning those who deâ—eaue you Iohn 1. c. 2. God himselfe in Scripture premonisheth vs And which is much condemned euen by the more moderate (x) D. Couell in his defence of Hooker p. 86. D. Sarauia contra Respons Bezae pag 306. and others Protestant A Councell consisteth of many hundred venerable Doctours Pastours gathered from the most remote nations of Christendome and therfore the lesse subiect vpon such their meeting iointly and with mutuall consent 〈◊〉 stampe any Nouelismes in Doctrine presenting that only to be belieued in theâ—â— Canons which is decreed by the mutuaâ— consent of all or the greatest number of them The priuat Spirit is but its owne only weening oftentimes dissenting from others of his Brethren in diuers points of fayth To conclude A Councell as being composed of seuerall hundreds of Bishops Doctours hath many members of it most eminent for vertue readines of the Scriptures skill in the Tongues they all besieging the eares of God with their daily prayers accompanied with many corporall austerities and all to the end that God would be pleased so to guyde their tongues and pens as that they may decree only such doctrines as are agreable to Gods holy Word The Priuate spirit as being but one man doth want for the most part not only Vertue but also those other gifts of the Vnderstanding aboue specified as Learning knowledg in the Scriptures c. And as for Prayer and other meanes of pleasing God it reiecteth all this as superstitious and Papisticall relying in lieu therof vpon his owne Enthusiasmes illuminations from the Lord. And thus much touching the balancing of a Generall Councell with the Protestanticall Priuate Spirit Animaduersion LI. IF you attempt to charge a Protestant-writer with Corruptions or lyes in their wrytings of which Impostures their books are most luxuriant rather insist in a few those manifest and vnanswerable then in a great number seing if your Aduersary can make shew to salue but three or foure of a greater number the which he may the more easely do by how much the number of his falsifications is greater
the supposed answering of those few chosen and picked out by him must serue through the partiality of iudgement in his followers to disgrace all the rest of the Corruptions or falsifications vrged by you Animaduersion LII THe Protestants in falsly alledging the authorityes of Authours do abuse their Readers chiefly foure seuerall wayes First which is the most vsuall by concealing some part of the alledged authority SecoÌ„dly by adding some words of his owne to make the produced Authour or Father to speake like a Protestant Thirdly by transposing the words of an authority thereby to make the sense different from the Authors true meaning Fourthly by a wilfull mistaking or confusion of tymes I will exemplify these foure sorts in the wryting of D. White a great Impostour in his Scripts in his booke called The way to the true Churcâ— Well then the said Protestant in p. 119. oâ— his said Booke produceth a place out of the Rhemists to proue that the Church of Româ— can make that Scripture which is not anâ— vnmake that to be Scripture which is Scripture To proue this he produceth the Rhâ—mists (y) Gaelat 1. thus saying The Scriptures are 〈◊〉 knowne to be true neither are Christians bonâ—â— to receiue them without the attestation of thâ— Church Now heere marke the true wordâ— of the Rhemists and therein obserue his impurity of dealing committed by concealing part of the Sentence iust crossing his intended drift of vrging that authority Their true words are these The Scriptures whicâ— are indeed of the Holy Ghosts inditing being pâ—â— into the Churches triall are found proued anâ— testifyed vnto the World to be such and not maâ—â— true altered or amended by the same Since the Holy Scriptures in themselues were alwayes true before but not so knowne to be to all Christians All these are the words of the Rhemists where you see the wilfull concealement of this Parcell The Scriptures are nâ—â— made true altered or amended by the Church as also that other the Holy Scripturs in themselues were alwaies true meaning without the attestation of the Church Now all that can truly be gathered out of this authority is that the Scriptures though most sacred and true in themselues cannot be so made knowne to vs in which words lyeth the touch of the point without the Churches attestation But how farre off is this from M. Whytes vrging of this place Touching his imposture committed in â—dding of words this one place shall serue Thus then the said D. White produceth Bellarmine in contempt of the Churches authority saying Other meanes may deceiue me but nothing is more knowne nothing more certaine then the Scriptures That it were the greatest madnes in the world not te belieue theÌ„ c. Now in this sentence these words viz. Other meanes may deceiue me are not in Bellarmine but most subtily added to the begining of Bellarmines words and caused to be printed in the same kynd of Character or letter wherein the other words of Bellarmine are printed thereby to make the Reader belieue that they are words of Bellarmine wheras they are added as I about insinuated for the more depressing of the Churches Authority Now the whole sentence of Bellarmine was directed against the Swinkseldians who absolutely denyed Scripture and against whom Bellarmine in that place disputeth Touching the fraud consisting in a cuÌ„ning transposition of words without adding any words to the authority alledged or concealing any parcell therof this example of the foresaid M. Whyte may serue In pag. 344. of his way to the true Church he produceth for the ouerthrow of the religious vse of Images the Councell of Eliberis thus saying No (z) Can. 36. Picture is to be made in the Church lest that be adored which is painted on the walls But the true words of the Canon are these Placâ—â—â— picturas in Ecclesia non habere ne quod coliâ—â— adoretur in parietibus depingatur Jt pleaseth the Councell that pictures should not be in the Church lest that which is worshipped anâ— adored be painted on the Walls The nyce difference in words resteth thus Lest that which is worshipped be painted and as Mâ— Whyte translateth Lest that which is painted be worshipped Where the words of the Councell acknowledging the worship of Images maketh the worship due to them to be the cause why they are not painted on the walls to wit because they were subiect to be defaced either by inuasion of Enemyes or rayne c. Now M. Whites translation only by a subtill transposition of the words imports that Pictures are not to be worshipped at all Lastly concerning the Calumny resting in a wilfull confusion of tymes The said Protestant in pag. 61. for proofe of Priests lawfull mariage produceth a Testimony from Sinesius Bishop of Ptolemais thus writing of himselfe to a friend The sacred hand of Theophilus hath giuen me a wyfe and hereupon Iustify to all men that J will neither forsake her nor priuily as an adulterer keep her Company but I will pray to God to send me by her many and good children This Epistle is at large set downe in (a) Eccl. hist l. 14. c. 55. Nicephorus Now heere tâ—e fraud lyeth that at the tyme when this Epistle was written Sinesius was but a Lay-man but eminent for learning Now after he made himselfe priest and was created Bishop of Ptolemais he euer liued separated from the company of his wyfe as fully appeareth out of Nicephorus in the place aboue alledged Here then the Ministers deceit lyeth in applying that to him as if he had beene then Bishop which was spoken by him being a Layman and so M. White most fraudulently confoundeth those two different tymes together as if all had hapned at one and the same tyme. Animaduersion LIII YF your Aduersary will vant that he will proue all by Scripture only as most of them giue it out they will then force him to draw both his Premisses I meane both his Propositions if so they should be reduced to a forme of Argument from the Scripture alone of which Method within two Arguments at least he is certaine to fayle For if he take either of his Propositions from humane Authority or from naturall Reason you may tell him he leaueth his vndertaken of prouing by Scripture alone and consequently you may deny his force of Argument though Logicall in forme Here I further aduertize that if your Aduersary vndertake the part of an Opponent tye him precisely euer to Oppose which Scene perhaps he being brought to a Non-plus would flyely transferre vpon you In like sort if he taketh vpon him to answere suffer him not to oppose thought he labour so to do to free himselfe from answering Thus be sure that ech of you keepe your chosen Station Animaduersion LIV. IF the Protestant should seeke to expouÌ„d by way of conference of places those words of our Sauiour This is my body this is my Bloud figuratiuely by those other words of his J
spake (e) Luth. tom 7. Wittenberg to him in a base great voice so as he made Luther to sweate his hart to tremble againe the same apppeareth in that Luther saith as is set downe aboue that he was first awake and that then after the Disputation begunne But howsoeuer admit it were but a spirituall fight or Disputation yet in either case the persuasions arguments wherunto Luther heere yealdeth came confessedly from the Diuell what difference then is there whether the Diuell made them to Luther by sensible coÌ„ference or by inward suggestion Animaduersion LIX AS Luther was instructed by the Diuel to impugne the Masse so were Carolostadius and Swinglius two great introducers of Protestancy in those former tymes in like manner indoctrinated by the Diuel against the Masse Touching Carolostadius whom Luther calleth a Man (f) Luth. in loc com Class 5. pag. 47. giuen ouer vnto a reprobate sense This man impugned the Masse vnder pretence of Visions and pretended conferences with God of whome the Booke entituled Conspiracy for pretended reformation thus writeth Carolostadius (g) Luth tom 3. Penens fol. 68. a preacher professing the Gospell c. attributed much to Cabinet teachers and pretended conference with God And yet his pretended visions were but meere Illusions of the Deuill of whom euen Luther thus sayth Carolostadius (h) In Theol. Calu in Prâ—â—em had his expositions from the Deuill As concerning Swinglius whom Conradus Schlusseâ—burg the Protestant calleth a man of vnfortunate memory This man disputed publikly at Zurick for the abolishing of the Masse and receaued confessedly his nightly Instruction by Dâ—eame from an Admonisher (i) So writeth Swinglius of himselfe herein tom 1. l. de sub fid Eucharist fol. 249. whether Black or Whyte sayth he I remember not Which Instruction is acknowledged by Protestants themselues to be a meere Imposture of Satan For thus hath Conradus Schlusselburg left recorded Sole (k) In Theol. Caluinist in â—roaem meridiano clartus est non Deum verum sed Diabolum ipsissimum c. It is more cleare then the Sunne that not the true God but the Deuill himselfe did inspire the Sacramentary Heresy into Swinglius by Dreame Thus far of these three former mayne Impostours I meane Luther Carolostadius and Swinglius all of them receauing their instruction from the Deuill for their abolishing and impugning of the Masse Animaduersion LX. DIuers Aâ—liaphorists or Neutralls in Religion do maintayne that whosoeuer belieueth the Apostles Creed liuing a good life may be saued Now that the Creed cannot be the Boundary or limit of Christian fayth is thus proued First because though the Protestant and the Catholike do indifferently repeat the Creede yet they vnderstand euery Article thereof in a different sense thâ—one from the other For example I belieue 1. in God The Catholike belieues that his God no way cooperateth or worketh sinne in man The Protestant belieues that God doth and therefore Beza sayth that God (l) In his Display of Popish practises p. 102. exciteth the wicked will of one thiefe to kill another And in Iesus 2. Christ his only Sonne The Catholike belieues in Christ who is God of God and equall to his Father who suffered Death quoad sufficientiam for all mankind A Sauiour who died only in Boâ—y and not in Soule Finally a Sauiour who from his first Conception was endued with all knowledge wisdome and prouidence exempt from all ignorance passion and perturbation The Protestant beliâ—ueth in Christ as his Sauiour yet in all these circumstances touching Christ differently from the Catholike Descended 3. into Hell The Catholike by Hell in this place vnderstandeth Limbus Patrum from whence our Sauiour did deliuer the soules of the lust there detayned till his comming But the greatest part of Protestants do vnderstand in this article the graue by the word Hell He 4. ascended into Heauen both the Catholiks and the Protestants do teach that Christ truly in body ascended vp into Heauen whereas the Lutherans (m) Luther bib de sacra Caena Domini tom 2. fol 11â— do teach that Christs Body is in all places with the Diuinity And that therefore it did not after his passion really ascend vp into Heauen it being there both before and after his passion To iudge 5. the quick and the Dead The Catholike belieues that Christ shall so iudge man as that his good works receauing all their force from our Sauiours Passion shal be rewarded The Protestant belieueth that Christ shall reward only a baâ—e and speciall fayth The like disparity of the beliefe of the Articles of the Creed by the Catholike and the Protestant might be exemplifyed in the other following Articles of the Creed here omitted for breuity Only I conclude that seeing it is the sense and not the words only which makes the Creed which Christians ought necessarily to belieue and seeing the Catholike the Protestant bâ—lieue the words therof in different or rather contrary senses therefore it followeth that it is not sufficient for a Christian in respect of fayth only nakedly to belieue the words of the Creed but he is obliged if so he expecteth saluation to belieue the Articles thereof in that sense and in no other wherein the Apostles did dictate them Animaduersion LXI ADmitting that both Protestant and Catholike did belieue the Creed in a true sense yet followeth it not that this beliefe I meane in respect of beliefe only were a sufficient beliefe or fayth for the saluation of Man The reason hereof is this because it is most certaine that there are diuers points of Christian Religion houlden necessarily to be belieued in the iudgment both of the Protestant and Catholike and yet the same points are not contayned or expressed in the Creed And to insist in these following 1. That there are certaine Diuine writings of infallible authority penned by the Holy Ghost which wâ— commonly call the Scriptures of the Old and New Testament 2. That there are spirituall substances which we call Angells and that many thousands of them did fall after their Creation and are become those malignant spirits which we call Deuills 3. That there is any materiall place of Hell for the wicked of which we find nothing in the iudgment of the Protestants seeing they vnderstand the graue by the word Hell in the Creed 4. That the paynes of the damned shal be for all Eternity 5. That Adam presently vpon his Creation did fall from the Grace of God and thereby transferred Originall sinne vpon all mankind 6. That the world was once drowned for sinne which inundation is commonly called Noes floud 7. That our Sauiour whilest he conuersed here vpon earth did worke any miracles 8. That S. Iohn Baptist was our Sauiours precursour or forerunner 9. That our Sauiour did chuse to him certaine Men for his Apostles who first did preach and plant the Christian fayth throughout the whole world 10. That Circumcision
some hundreds and yet remaining to be yearely seene euen with spots of bloud at the chiefe Church in Brussells in the lowe Countryes What can our Aduersaries answere herero Yf they grant the miracle they withall grant the truth of the Doctrine of the Reall Presence To deny it by saying that when one hoast is corrupted through tyme another is secretly thrust in the former place is more then absurd For would the Princes of those Countryes the Lords Bishops Prelates other Religious persons and the whole Communalty suffer themselues to be thus abused from tyme to tyme with such impostures but that they would be most desirous to find out and discry all such wicked stratagemes and deuises Truly I do not see what answere in full weight of Reason can be giuen hereto to conuince the iudgment of any sufficient Man Animaduersion LXXI THat Catholike Religion affordeth Saluation to the Professours thereof is proued seuerall wayes euen from our Aduersaries owne pennes And first Because oâ—â— Aduersaries do reach that the Church oâ— Rome notwithstanding her presumed Eâ—rours is the true Church of Christ consequently her Professours capable of Saâ—uation According hereto thus writeth D. Field (d) L. of the Church c. 46. We doubt not but that Church â—t which the Bishop of Rome with more then Luâ—â—ferlike pryde exalted himselfe was notwithstanding the true Church of God and that it held a sauing profession of the truth in Christ. D. Sâ—â—â— auerreth the same verity in these words (e) In his Defence against Penry pag. 176. you thinke that all the Popish sort wheâ—â— dyed in the popish Church are damned yâ—â— thinke absurdly and do dissent from the iudgment of all learned Protestants With theâ—â— conspireth to omit others D. Couell thâ—â— writing We (f) In his Defence of M. Hooâ—er pag. 77. affirme them of tâ—e Churchâ— Rome to be a part of the true Church of Chriâ—â— and that those that liue dye in that Churcâ— may be saued Another Reason may be taken from the lawfulnes euen in the iudgment of the learned Protestants of Chiâ—dren of Papists as we are stiled whether they be Baptized by Catholike Priests 〈◊〉 Protestant Ministers And the cause of thâ— lawfulnes thereof is deliuered by the Protestants in these words Because (g) So teach the Deuines of Geneua in their propositions and principles disputed at Gen. p. 178. the same is taught by D. Whitgâ—â—fe in 〈◊〉 Defence pa. â—23 by M. Hooker Eccles poâ— l. 3. p. 131. by otheâ— we affirme that those Children are comprehenâ— within the Couenant of eternall life by meanes of the fayth of their Parents A third Reason of the Protestants true iudgment herein concerneth the Fathers of the Primitiue Church in generall who that they liued dyed Papists is most euident by what hath beene confessed aboue by our Aduersaries Now of them Cartwrighâ— thus writeth I (h) Cartwright in his Reply in D. Whitguifts Defence p. 82 doubt not but that diuers Fathers of the Greeke Church who were patrones of Freewill are saued The like charitable opinion of the Fathers though Papists both liuing dying is deliuered by (i) Contra Raâ— Camp pag. 78. D. Whitaker notwithstanding the Fathers Doctrine touching Satisfaction and Merit of Works Finally the Protestants iudgement is also herein manifested in their commonly giuing in their writings and speaches to Austin Ierome Ambrose and the rest whom they acknowledge to Professe and dye in our Catholike fayth and Religion the name and title of Saint as S. Austin S. Jerome c. Animaduersion LXXII YF it be vrged that the Deniall of Freewill for exaÌ„ple was taught by Manicheus and consequently that the Protestant fayth therein is as ancient as those Primitiue tymes It may be replyed that this particular Heretike or that particular Heretike did teach but one or other Protestant Article in those dayes and were sustantly written against for such their Innouations the said Innouatours being Catholike in all other points And therefore you may truâ—â— infer that the vrging of such examples is merely impertinent either for the proofe of the Antiquity of the Protestant Religion or for the Visibility of the Protestant Church in those dayes Animaduersion LXXIII YF you dispute with any Protestant by writing or enterchange of letters write nothing but Matter with as much compendiousneâ— as the Subiect will beare without any Verball Excursions or digressions For this proceeding will force your Aduersary to reply if he will reply to the Maâ—ter For otherwise leauing the materialâ— point which is chiefly issuable and to be handled he will shape a reply to other lesse necessary stuffe deliuered by you And then his Reply must passe abroad by the help of many partiall tongues for a full answere to your whole Discourse Animaduersion LXXIV WHereas you may alledge diuers acknowledged Heresies both in the iudgment of Protestants Catholiks out of the Bookes concerning diuers persons who belieued some few points of Protestancy recorded in the said Bookes here I speake of Wâ—â—ldo Wiclife c. Now if here your Aduersary Disputant doth auouch as many Protestants do that these Heresies were falsly obtruded and fathered vpon the said presumed Protestants by their Enemies you may here reply that to affirme this is against the force of all Reason For seeing the same Bookes do make indifferent mention both of the Protestant opinions and of the other Heresies defended by the same Men either the said Bookes are to be belieued in both or to be reiected concerning both Yf the first then it is certaine that those men did belieue those acknowledged Heresies Yf the later then the said Bookes are not of sufficient authority to proue that there were any Protestants in those ages Animaduersion LXXV IN your proofes drawne from Scripture labour to be much practised in the Protestant Translation of it of which infinite places make for the Catholike Cause euen as the Scripture is translated by the Protestant For this Course gauleth them far more then if you insisted only in the Catholike Translation Animaduersion LXXVI I Will here set downe certaine Obseruations which will easely solue all difficulties or Argument whatsoeuer rising from Scripture or Fathers against Communion vnder one kind only 1. First whereas sundry places of Scripture and Fathers do speake indifferently oâ— only make mention of Communion vnder both kinds or do affirme the vse thereof to be lawfull yet from hence which is the point issuable cannot be inferred any precept of Christ as necessary to Saluation 2. Secondly when such places are vrged which contayne in them a Precept the same places are either vnderstood of Priests who do sacrifice whose bond is different from theirs of the Laity Or els they concerne only the tyme and place when 〈◊〉 where that custome of both kinds was obserued for the custome of the Church whether it be generall in the whole Church or particular in some notable place thereof aâ— in one Country Kingdome
Damnatioâ— And D. Whitaker thus auerreth It (h) Controuers 2. q. 5. cap. 9. is false that Hereticall and Schismaticall Churches are true Churches Thus far of our Aduersaries excluding Papists Anabaptists Arians Heretikes and Schismatiks from the Protestant Church and not acknowledging them to be members thereof nor their Doctrines Protestancy Now we will obserue what change and mutability of iudgment herein our Aduersaries shew at other tymes in willingly embracing all these former sort of men and some others also as good Protestants and in state of Saluation And first of the Papists Luther sayth In (i) In Ep. contra Anabapt the Popery there is true Christianity yea the Kernell of Christianity many pious great Saincts M. Hooker (k) L. Eccles Pol. 3. c. 1â—8 we gladly acknowledg them of Rome to be of the family of Iesus Christ and M. Bunny we (l) In his Treatise of pacification sect 18. are no seuerall Church from the Papists nor they from vs. The Anabaptists are admitted for good Protestants by Oecolampadius saying (m) L. 2. Ep. p. 63. Baptisme is an externall thing which by Law of Charity may be dispensed with And D. (n) In his answere to the Protest Apol. l. 4 cap. 3. sect 10. Morton we Protestants iudge the state of the Anabaptists not to be vtterly desperate The Arians are acknowledged by M. Morton to be of the same Church of which the Protestants are and he giueth his reason in these words Because (o) In his booke of the kingdom of Isâ—ael and the Church pag. â—4 the Arians hould the foundation of the Gospell And M. Hooker seemeth to intimate the same in these words The (p) Eccles Pol. lib. 4 p. 181. Arians in the reformed Churches of Poland c. hereby insinuating that those Protestant Churches of Poland did acknowledg the Arians to be members of their Church Of Idolaters M. Hooker thus fauorably writeth Christians (q) Eccles Pol. l. 3 pag. 1â—0 by externall profession they are all whose marke of recognizance hath in it those things which we haue mentioned yea although they be impious Idolaters wicked Hâ—tikes c. Infideâ—ls are also in our Aduersaâ—â—â— iudgments mâ—mbers of a sauing Churchâ— fayth for thus writeth Swinglius Ethâ—â—â— (r) Swingl Ep Oecolam l. 1. p 39 si piam mentem domi fouerit Christianus 〈◊〉 etiamsi hristum ignoret And hereupon Sâ—â—glius concluâ—eth that (s) Swingâ— tom 2. fol. 118. 559. Hercules Socrates â—ristides are now in Heauen as is in anothâ—â— place shewed Finally the Protestants are 〈◊〉 courteous as that they are content to â—â—corporate Antichrist within their Church 〈◊〉 state of Saluation This I thus proue I◠〈◊〉 ouermuch knowne and diuulged that mâ—ny Protestants do teach with full moutâ— that the Pope is Antichrist Now then let 〈◊〉 see how at other times they write of hiâ— whom they hould to be Antichrist and 〈◊〉 Religion Antichristianity Here then we fâ—â—â— D. Whitaker thus to acknowledg I will (t) D White in his answere to the first Demonstration of D. Sanders not say that from the tyme that Papistry begâ—â— to be Antichristianity the Popes themseâ—â—â— haue beene all damned And yet D. Whitaker 〈◊〉 where confidently auerreth the Pope to be Antichrist In like sort M. Powell hath the like sentence saying I will (u) In his answere to the last Demonstration of D. Sanders in no wise say that all the Popes from the tyme that papistry was first reuealed to be Antichristianity aâ—â— damned Thus much of this point whereby we may discerne the wounderfull and vnheard mutability of our Aduersaries Iudgments touching who are Protestants and Professours of that Church wherein a man may be saued A demonstration vnansâ—erabâ—e â—â—le and irrepliable to proue that the Proâ—â—â—â—ant Church and fayth such as these forâ—â—r men do restrayne or enlarge it is 〈◊〉 capable of Saluation And how then can Christian know if he will rely vpon the â—â—gments of Protestants herein to what 〈◊〉 of Protestants or within what Church 〈◊〉 may range himself for the Saluation of 〈◊〉 Soule Animaduersion LXXXXVIII â—N that there are many Catholike Articles the which the Iewes before the comâ—ing of Christ did belieue therefore it folâ—â—weth euidently that the said Articles canâ—ot be reputed to be Innouations or lately â—â—uented Doctrines but as ancient as the â—ymes before our Sauiours Incarnation I â—ill exemplify in some The Booke Eccleâ—â—asticus admit for the tyme it be not Scripture speaketh directly of our Sauiours â—â—scending into Hell in those words where it â—s said in his person I (x Eccles 24. will pierce through â—â—e sower parts of the Earth J will looke vpon all such as be a sleepe and will lighten all them that â—â—ust in the Lord A saying so pertinent for proofe of Limbus Patrum that D. Whitaker (y) Contra Duraeum l. 8 pag. 5â—7 acknowledging the true sense thereof auoydeth it by saying the Booke is not Canonicall which at this present is impertiâ—ent since here I seeke only to proue the â—â—uth of diuers of our Catholike points as being belieued by the Ancient Iewes before our Sauiours tyme in their writings whether Canonicall or not Canonicall Touching Prayer for the Dead It is warranted by the example of Iudas (z) Machab 2. Machabaeus the true seruant of God as also is taught by Rabbi Simeon who liued before Christ and diuers other ancient Rabbyes Rabbi Simeon thus writing of such as are temporally punished after this life After (a) In lib. Zoar. in cap 13. Genesis they are purged from the filth of their sinnes then doth God cause them to ascend out of that place Touching Gods Induration or hardning of Pharaos hart the Iewish Rabins so conspire in affirming with vs the same to be by Gods permission only and not by his working that Peter (b) Peter Martyr in Epist. ad Roman c. 9. Martyr and Munster (c) Munster in Annot. in Exod. c. 7. do accordingly acknowledg this Exposition Concerning Freewill that place in Eccâ—esiasticus (d) Ecclesiast 1â— to wit Say not thou he hath câ—â—sed me to erre Yf thou wilt thou shalt obserue the Commandements He hath set water and fyre before thee stretch out thy hand to which thou wilt Before man is life and death Good Euâ—â—â— what lyketh him shal be giuen him This testimony I say is so euident for Freewill that D. Whitaker in answere thereto reiecteth the authority saying De loco (e) In resp ad ras Camp rat 1 p. 25. Ecclesiasticiparùm laboro c. J make small account of Ecclesiasticus Philo the learned Iew who liued in Christ his tyme thus writeth Man (f) Philo in lib. quod Deus fit immutabelis hath Freewill to which purpose is extant the Oracle in Deuteronomy I haue placed before thee Lyfe and Death Good and Euill chuse Lyfe Concerning Angells Saints the Booke of Tobias written before Christ is so playne (g) Tob.
done but that which is donne cannot be vndone though it be done freely and contingently Therefore it may be concluded that the Prescience of God imposeth not a necessity to things as foresight or foreknowledg is considered in it selfe neither as it is considered to be the Prescience of God This is proued for as God doth foresee what men will do so he also foreseeth what himselfe will doe but the Prescience of God doth not force God that he will worke or do any thing therefore by the same reason his Prescience doth not force men In like manner the Protestants obiect that Gratia efficax which we Catholikes do grant that it is giuen to diuers men doth destroy Freewill To this I answere with S. Austin that this Gratia efficax hath indeed an infallible certitude but yet hath no necessitude but only ex hypothesi and in this respect it doth not hinder the Freedome of mans Will for though certaine it is that this Gratia efficax will not be reiected yet it is as certaine that it may be reiected And therefore this efficacious grace where it is giuen doth no more induce a necessity or hinder the Freedome of the will then the Prescience or foreknowledg of God doth Animaduersion CXXXVI SOme of our Aduersaries and particularly Luther as is aboue said do thus write The ten (p) Luther ser de Moyse Commandements appertaine not to Christians And againe The ten (q) Fox Act. Mon. p. 1335. Commandements were giuen vs not to do them but to know our Damnation and to call for Mercy And yet more plainly D. Willet writeth The Law remayneth still impossible to be kept by vs through the weaknes of our flesh Neither (r) Willet in Synops Papism pa. 564. doth God giue vs ability to keepe it but Christ hath fulfilled it for vs. Thus these men seeke to free vs from keeping the CoÌ„mandements because say they Christ hath kept them for vs. And may not any man conclude from the same ground that we Christians are not bound to pray at any tyme or to practise Vertue and Piety because Christ hath prayed for vs all and liued a most holy life for vs all Such incentiues to all vice and turpitude in conuersation doth this doctrine beget in the belieuers thereof and therefore the lesse wonder that we find Luther thus to write A (s) Luth. tom 1. wittenberg de captiuit Babilon fol. 74. Christian man is so rich that although â—e would he cannot loose his Saluation by any sâ—nne how great soeuer vnlesse he will not belieue Animaduersion CXXXVII IN setting downe the necessity of the euer Visibility of Christs Church I will not so much insist in the Scriptures or in the authority of the Fathers confirming the same as in the true and ingenious acknowledgment of the learned Protestants thereof which being here once expressed then I will draw a most dangerous and irrepliable inference to the mayne ouerthrow of the Protestants Church Well then to beginâ— We find Caluin thus to write Nan (t) Inst. l. 4. c. 1. Sect. 4. is visibili Ecclesia c. Extra cuius gremium non est speranda peccatorâ—m remissio Out of whose besome we cannot expect any remission of sinneâ— Hâ—nnius giueth his sentence in these words God (u) In his Treatise of Eâ—â—â—will pa. â—1 in all times hath placed his Church is a high place and hath exalted it in the sight of aâ—l â—eople and Nations Iacobus Andraeas that famous Protestant We (x) In his booke against Hosius pag. 210. are not ignorant that the Church must be a visible CoÌ„pany of teachers and hearers Melancthou is most luxuriant in his Sentences of this point who thus writeth Necesse (y) Melanct in Concil Theologi â—art 2. est fateri esse visibilem Ecclesâ—am c. It is necessary to confesse the Church to be visible Whither tendeth then haec portentosa Oratio this monstrous Opinion which denieth the Church to be visible And in another place this Protestant thus further discourseth Whensoeuer (z) In loc com â—dit 15â—â— c dâ— Ecclâ—s we thinke of the Church let vs bâ—hould the Company of such men as are gathered together which is the visible Church neither let vs dreame that the Elect of God are to be found in any other place then in this visible Society c. Neither let vs imagine of any other inâ—isible Church Briefly the said Melancthon vrging seuerall texts of Scripture in proofe of the Churches visibility sayth (a) Melanct vbi supra Hi simâ—â—s loci c. these and such like places of Scripture Non de idaea Platonica sed de Ecclesia visibili loquuntur D. Field thus writeth The (b) Lib. 1. of the Church c. â—0 pag. 19. Persons of whoÌ„ the Church consisteth are visible their profession knowne euen vnto the prophane c. I will conclude with D. Humfrey thus teaching Cur (c) D. Humfrey in his Iesuitis part 2. cap. 3. anxiè curiosè probant quod est à nobis numquam negatum Why do the Papists so painfully seeke to proue that which we neuer denyed And then after he sayth Non enim clunculâ—rij secâ—stus connoçationes sâ—nt Christianae The Society of Christians are not secret meetings And then there speaking of the Church militant he further thus sayth Oportet Ecclesiam essâ— conspicuam Conclusio est clarissima It is a manifest Conclusion that the Church is to be conspicuous and visible Thus far of the learned Protestants confessing the truth touching the euer necessary and vninterrupted visibility of the Church of Christ Now the Deduction which I draw from the premisses is this That seeing the Church of Christ must euer be conspicuous and visible And further seeing that the Protestant Church hath beene wholy latent and inuisible according to the iudgment of some Protestants for the space of this last thousand yeares but by the acknowledgment of other learned Protestants during these last thirteene or foureteene hundred yeares as aboue I haue set downe in our Aduersaries literall authorities and sentences acknowledging so much what other thing then can result out of our Aduersaries owne positions but that the Protestant Church through want of a necessary and vninterrupted visibility is not the true Church of Christ Animaduersion CXXXVIII THat Luther was an Enemy to the Diuinity of Christ and the Blessed Trinity is aboue shewed In this Animaduersion Caluin shal be charged with the like impiety This I proue in that Caluin labours to auoyd detort all such chiefe places of sacred writ as the Ancient Fathers were accustomed to alledge in proofe of Christs Diuinity Now first I will set downe his owne words against the B. Trinity whereof he thus sayth Haec (d) In Ep. 2. ad Polonos in tract Theolog. p 796. precatio Sancta Trinitas vnus Deus miserere nostri mihi non placet barbariem â—mnino sapit This prayer Holy Trinity one God â—aue mercy
to be descended from the loynes of Luther Of the Antimoni so called by reason of their impugning the Law of the Old TestameÌ„t the Protestant Deuines of Mansfield thus report them to teach Lex diuina â—igna non est quae verbum Dei appelletur c. Omnes (15) In Confessione Mansfeld Ministrorum tit de Antinomis fol. 89. â—0 qui circa Moysem hoc est decem prâ—cepta versantur ad Diabolum pertinent Ad patibulum cum Moyse Thus these Deuines relate the Doctrine of the Antinomi And do not the Antinomi suck this their blasphemous doctrine from Luther who thus writeth of Moyses Moyses (16) Luth tom 3. Wittenberg in Psal 45. hath his lips vnpleasant stopped angry c. Do you collect all the wisdome of Moyses c. and you shal fynd it to be either Jdolatry or hypocriticall wisdome or if it be politicke the wisdome of wrath c. away therfore with Moyses Now that the Libertines do in like manner spring originally from Luther is no lesse euident Thâ—ir doctrine Caluin deliuereth in thâ—se words Persuadent (17) Caluin in Tract Theol. pag. 542. nihil mali esse in stupris adulterijs cum à Deo omnia fieri cognoscimus The Libertines perswade themselues that there is no euill in fornicâ—tion and adulteries Seing say they we all know that all things proceed from God And from this their Doctrine are so many writings published by the Libertines wherein is defended all Epicurisme and (18) Of these see Caluin vbi supra pag. 527. 543. impurity of life Now that Luther layeth the ground of the Libertines Doctrine obserue what followeth God (19) Luth in assert arâ— damnat per Lâ—cnem art 36. worketh the wicked worke in the wicked c. And againe It is not in mans power to thinke Good or Euill but aâ—l things proceed from absolute necessity And as for extenuating of vice as not hurtfull to Man and depressing of vertue in both which points the Libertines agree with Luther I refer the Reader to what is aboue set downe out of Luthers owne words Only I will heere repeate one or two of his speeches Touching good works equally disclaymed both by Luther and the Libertines Luther thus writeth No worke is disalowed (20) Luth in his sermons Englished p 147. of God vnlesse the authour thereof â—e disalowed before And concerning Sinne Luther thus teacheth (21) Luth to 2. wittemb de capt Babil fol. 74. A Christian bapâ—ized is so rich that though he would he cannot â—oose his Saluation by any sinne how great soeâ—er vnlesse he will not belieue Which two Doctrines of Luther are the very source from â—hence spring the Libertines Heresies Animaduersion CXLIX TO forbeare the testimonies of Diuine Scripture of generall Councells (22) Concil 3. Carthag Lateran sub Innocent 3. c. 60 â—â—orent sess vlt. and of the ancient Fathers (23) Gregor Nazianz in Orat. in Cesarium Cyril Catech 5. mystag Epiph. in 〈◊〉 Operis contra Haer haer 75. Chrys hom 41. in 1. ad Cor. Terâ—ll l. de corona milit Cyprian l 1. Epist. 9. Ambr. l. 2. Epist. 8. 〈◊〉 Faustinum Hieron Epist ad Pammaâ—h August de cura pro â—â—rtuis c. 1. in Enchirid. cap. 110. in proofe of Purâ—atory I will here content my selfe with arguments two or three drawne from Reaâ—on which are in my iudgment of sufficient â—orce for the beliefe of this dogmaticall â—oint The first Argument then may be this There are ceraaine Veniall Sinnes as is proâ—ed out of S. Iames c. 1. and 1. Cor. 3. which â—â—e worthy only of temporall punishment But it may so fortune that a Man may depart out of this life with such Sinnes not expiated But it is not intelligible how an idle â—ord for example should out of its owne Nature deserue the perpetuall hate of God and sempiternall flames The second Reason When Sinners are reconciled to God the whole temporall punishment is not euer remitted with the Sinne Thus though God remitted to Dauid his Sinne in 2. Reg. 12. yet for temporall castigation he punished him with the death of his Sonne But it may so fall out that a man hath not fully satisfyed at the hower of his death for his temporall punishment therefore it necessarily followeth that there is a place of Purgatory wherein all temporall punishment is to be suffered The third reason We see that of those who depart this life some are very good and vertuous others very euill and wicked others againe are reasonably good and reasonably euill Now from hence euen by the force of Reason we may conclude that there is after this Life eternall punishments for those which be extremely wicked and eternall rewards for the very good and pious and then by proportion and analogy temporall punishments by them a passage to Eternall rewards for those who are but reasonably good and reasonably euill Neither standeth it with Gods iustice and goodnes that a most vertuous man through his whole life dying also another man dying who hath committed many veniall Sinnes vnsatisfyed or hath only the guilt and eternal punishment of many great mortall Sinnes forgiuen without any temporall satisfaction at all for them made should both indifferently enioy immediatly after their departure out of this life the same reward of Glory and Eternity The last reason may be this That opinion which taketh away Purgatory is most pernicious and therefore it cannot be true For it maketh men slouthfull in auoyding Sinne and doing of good works as elswhere is intimated For who is persuaded that there is no Purgatory but that all sinnes are presently abolished by death in those who dye with true fayth may thus reason with himselfe To what end do I labour in fasting Prayer Continency Almesdeeds Why do I depriue my selfe of pleasures seeing at my â—eath all my Sinnes whether they be many or few shall at once be cancelled But who belieueth that besides Hell there is a most horrible fyar of Purgatory and that what in this â—â—fe is not washed away by due works of Penance shall in that fyar be purged will be far more diligent and cautelous in leading of his life Animaduersion CL. TOuching the Induration or Hardening of Pharaos Hart so much vrged by our Aduersaries to proue that God is the Authour of Sinne we are to note that whereas our very Aduersaries and particularly Melancthon (24) Melancthon confesseth the same in loc Com cap. de causa peccati contingentia confesse that the Hebrew word here vsed signifyeth only Permission the Jewish Rabins are accordingly so playne in affirming with vs the same to be only by Gods permission and not by his working thaâ— Peter (15) In Epist. Rom. cap. 9. Martyr and Munster (26) Annotat in Exod. cap. 7. do accordingly acknowledg this the Iewes foresaid exposition Melancthons words confessing that the Hebrew word signifyeth iâ— this place only Permission are these Nec
no lesse then in some other principall points of fayth imbraced both by the Catholike and the Protestant such as is the Trinity the Baptisme of Infants and such like the foresaid Nations did and yet do agree notwithstanding their disagreement in lesser Matters Animaduersion CLVIII DIuers of the Iewish Ceremonies may be still maintained though as contrary in iudgment hereto D. Reynolds (47) D. Reynolds in his Conference with M. Hart pa. 570. and 571. is not abashed to obiect against vs many Ceremonies of the Jewes as if we did offend sinne in our Ceremonies bearing some resemblance to the said Iewish Ceremonies But against this errour of his and other Protestants I alledge first that as D. Gardiner (48) D. Gardiner in his Dialogue betweene Irenaeus and Antimachus of the rites and Ceremonies of the Church of England printed at London 1605. fol. b. 3. though our Aduersary truly teacheth the Iewish Ceremonies which haue ceased and may not now be retayned are most properly those which were ordained to signify some thing as being Future and to be accomplished in Christ as for example the Paschall Lambe which signified his Passion to come But as concerning Ceremonies of other kind that in the ancient Fathers iudgment they might be lawfully retained or vsed and so accordingly were by them vsed in the celebration of the publike Liturgy is confessed by (49) Caluin de Caena Domini in tract Theol. printed 2597. pag. 7. Caluin Secondly we giue instance of sundry Ceremonies vsed in the Old Testament and yet now retayned as paying of Tythes Our Churches with reference to their Temples Pentecost Holydayes Eleuation of hands and genuflection in tyme of prayer Jmposition of hands diuers others Thirdly that the Church of Christ might and did in the Apostles tymes borrow Rytes from the Old Testament is confessed by (50) Caluin l. 4. Inâ—tit c. 3. sect 16. Caluin and others yea Peter Martyr thus plainly writeth hereof Many (51) Peter Martyr in his Epistles annexed to his Common places in English p. 118. things the Church hath borrowed from the Decrees of Moyses yea and that from the first tymes Now these Ceremonies as also others are vsed chiefly to stir vp in vs deuotion and that how forcible they are thereto I will content my selfe with the Authority of S. Austin herein who thus writeth There (52) Austin Epist 5. ad Marcellum post initium are certaine signes he meaning Ceremonyes by the celebration and vse thereof not to God but to vs profitable offices of Piety are exercised Againe (53) Austin to 4 de cura â—ro Mortuis c. 5. When we kneele downe when we stretch out our hands when we lye prostrate vpon the ground c. a man by these doth better stir vp himself to pray Thus Austin Animaduersion CLIX. THough the doctrine of the Masse hath beene briefly discoursed of before in some Animaduersions yet I hould it conuenient heere to relate the Antiquity of the word Masse still retayned by vs. First then Peter Martyr thus writeth Austin (54) Peter Martyr in his Common places Englished par 4 p. 515. maketh mention of the word Masse in his 237. sermon de Tempore as also in his 91. serm de Tempore In like manner the Century writers (55) Cent. 4. col 295 reproue S. Ambrose for mentioning the word Masse D. Fulke (56) Fulk in his Retentiue p. 60. acknowledgeth that Victor who liued within the first fiue hundred yeares doth in his History vse the terme of Masse by which sayth D. Fulke was meant the celebration of the CoÌ„munion memory of the Sacrifice of Christ. Now if ouâ— Aduersaries will reply to all this saying the Word Masse is not found in the Scripture therefore it auaileth not that the Fathers did vse it let them as is aboue touched in full answere of this condemned Sophisme remember that although both we and they do professe to belieue the Trinity or Personâ— yet themselues cannot fynd the word Trâ—nity mentioned in the Scriptures neither the word Person according to the foresaâ— sense Animaduersion CLX IT is euident by all obseruation examples of former tymes that the liues 〈◊〉 those men were euermore austere and saâ—ctifyed whom God did chuse to be the fiâ—â—â— publishers or Restorers of Religion or reformers of his Church This is verifyed 〈◊〉 the Example of Moyses in the Old Law and of the Apostles in the first preaching of the Euangelicall Law all of them being meâ— most pious most religious and most seueâ— to themselues in their manners and Coâ—uersation This then being as a presumeâ— ground principle we are to call to mind what aboue is granted by our Aduersariâ—â— to wit that Luther and his schollars aftâ—â— following were the first restorers of thâ— Protestants fayth their Church for so manages afore being latent and inuisible He 〈◊〉 further we are to call to mynd that next 〈◊〉 â—r Luther the chiefest Protestants for enâ—â—ging of Protestancy and spreading of â—heir supposed Gospell were these followâ—g Swinglius Melancthon Carolostadius Iaâ—â—bus Andrâ—â—as Bucer Ochinus Caluin and 〈◊〉 Now in this next place we are to weigh 〈◊〉 nether these men were licentious dissoâ—â—te and wicked in their Conuersation or vertuâ—us and religious in their Courses but it is more then euident that Luther and all the rest of these were of most flagitious dissolute manners The truth of which point through the largenes of the subiect here in expresse words to set downe this â—lace is not capable of Since in these my Animaduersions I affect all breuity Thereâ—â—re I most earnestly intreate the sâ—udious Reader to peruse the booke entituled Luthers Lyfe written by the Authour of the Protestants Apology The Subiect of that â—ooke is to lay open the enormous bad â—es particularly of Luther Swinglius â—elâ—nâ—con Carolostadius Jacobus Andraeas Bucer â—chinus Caluin and Beza And what is there â—â—liuered is not deliuered from the pens â—â—sertions of the Catholikes for that Course would be held suspected and parâ—â—all but from the pens and Relations of tâ—e Protestants themselues I assure the Reaâ—â—r that in that booke he shall find some 〈◊〉 those former men to be charged with Fornication Adultery others with Sodomy oâ—hers againe charged with Epicurism broaching of blasphemous doctrines and others againe apostating from Christianity making themselues by Circumcision open Turkâ—â— Jewes and all this as aboue said there produced from the Protestants owne accusations of them they thus prophanely liuing after their beginning to preach their Gospell Now here I refer to any Man carefull of his Saluation whether he can be persuaded that God would euer out of his goodnes and prouideÌ„ce choose such facinorous impious and detestable men to be the Reuealers or restorers of the truth of Religion supposing it were till that tyme abolished and extinct and the rather Since men do (37) Mat. 7. not gather grappes of thornes nor figs of thisles Once more I