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B09712 Some of the Quakers contradictions which they writ , &c. as suted the times and their own interests; by which 'twill appear, that the highest pretenders, are the greatest deceivers. Pennyman, John, 1628-1706. 1696 (1696) Wing P1417A; ESTC R187055 17,887 21

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Some of the Quakers CONTRADICTIONS which they writ c. as suted the Times and their own Interests by which 't will appear that the Highest Pretenders are the Greatest Deceivers Section I. 1. OUR giving forth Papers or printed Books it is from the immediate Eternal Spirit of GOD. 2. You might AS WELL have condemned the Scriptures to the Fire as our Queries 3. You are now answer'd from the Mouth of the LORD 1 G. Fox and Rich. Hubberthorn Truth 's Defence p. 2 104 107. printed 1653. 4. If ever you own the Prophets Christ or the Apostles you will own our Writings which are given forth by the same Spirit and Power 2 G. F. Answ to the Westmoreland Pet. p. 30. 1653. 5. Que. Do you i. e. Quakers esteem your Speakings to be of as great Authority as any Chapter in the Bible G. W. answers That which is spoken from the Spirit of Truth in any is of as great Authority as the Scriptures and Chapters are and GREATER 3 G. Whitehead 's Ser. Apol. p. 49. 1. WE are grosly abus'd and our Intention and Principle which NEVER was to bring our Books in comparison with the Scriptures Is not this a gross Vntruth compare it with their former Writings 2. We prefer the Bible before all the Books extant in the World 1 G. W. Quakers Plainness c. p. 71. 1674. and yet formerly reproved John Chandler at a Meeting at the Bull and Mouth for having given the Scriptures Preference before their Books And is not this a plain Contradiction Section II. 1. THE Scriptures are not the Word of GOD 1 G. Fox c. Firebrand c. p. 159. 2d Part. 1678. 2. The Scripture is not the Word of GOD as thou blasphemously affirmed 2 G. F. Great Mystery p. 240. 1659. 3. How can or dare any to say without the highest Blasphemy that the Scripture is the Word of GOD 3 G. Bishop Mene Tekel c. p. 22. 1659. 4. The Letter i. e. the Scripture is a Declaration of the Word the Husk 4 G. F. Way to the Kingdom p. 8. 1655. 5. The Letter i. e. the Scripture is Dust and Death 5 G. F. c. Brief Discovery p. 9. 1653. 6. That which is written is the Letter which is Death and killeth 6 G. W. Ishmael c. p. 10. 7. Thou art one of them that fouls with thy Feet Ezek. 34.18 that hath nothing but Husk which is fit for nothing but Swine 7 G. Fox c. Truth 's Def. p. 53. 1653. 8. The Quakers do not call the Letter the Rule and the four Books of Matthew Mark Luke and John the NEW-TESTAMENT and Gospel as thou and thy Generation do 8 G. W. and Chr. Atkinson David's Enemies c. p. 7. 1655. 9. But they frequently call'd them Earthly Letter and Carnal Letter 9 G.F. c. Truth 's Def. p. 14 28 56 60. 1. WE say Holy Writ is the declared Fundamental Law of Heaven 1 W. Penn Engl. Present Int. p. 36. 1675. 2. We believe the Holy Scriptures of the Old and NEW-TESTAMENT were given forth by Divine Inspiration 2 G. W. Innocency c. p. 31. 1693. 3. The Holy Scriptures of the Old and NEW-TESTAMENT are of Divine Authority as being given by Inspiration from GOD 3 Quakers Vind. c. p. 4. 1693. sign'd by G. W. and 30 more 4. That they i. e. Quakers say the Holy Scripture is Carnal Dust Death and killeth c. We do in the holy Fear of Almighty GOD and in behalf of the said People declare and testify That all these and all other his Accusations of the same Kind or depending thereupon are utterly false wicked and malicious and never so believed so said nor so affirmed by us 4 Charitable Essay c. p. 8. 1693. signed by G.W. and 12 more of their Preachers Now my Request to G. W. and the rest of the Subscribers is this That they would view the Quotations on the other Side and if they find that they formerly call'd the Scriptures Carnal Dust Death c. as they have done that they would be so honest as to take shame to themselves and acknowledg their Error therein and that they have wrongfully accused Fra. Bugg for those Citations OF GOD and calls it Blasphemy in any to say so yet it is to be observed he gives that very Stile to his own Writings as in his Vials of Wrath c. printed 1654. where he says And to you all this is THE WORD OF GOD p. 7. and in p. 9. and p. 12. are the same word And in the Way to the Kingdom c. 1655. p. 14. he has them again viz. This is THE WORD OF GOD. And in his several Papers c. 1671. p. 62. he has the same over again And I believe I could quote above 100 more Sentences of the like Import out of their former Writings but here are enough at present And as to their denial of the Charge that they should say the Holy Scripture is Dust c. their Evasion or Quibble I suppose lies in these words viz. Holy Scriptures because in those Days they did not call the Scriptures Holy but on the contrary call'd them EARTHLY LETTER CARNAL LETTER DVST c. as before-mentioned Section III. 1. WE have thousands at our Meetings and none of us Quakers dare speak a word but as eternally moved of the LORD 1 A true Account c. p. 18. 1663. Never was a greater Vntruth than this printed and published to the World by any Mortals whatsoever 2. They are Conjurers and Diviners and their Preaching from Conjuration that is not spoken from the Mouth of the LORD 2 G. F. Saul 's Errand c. p. 7. 1654. 3. All you that speak and not from the Mouth of the LORD are false Prophets 3 G. F. Answ to the West Pet. p. 25. 1653. 4. How can you be Ministers of the Spirit if you be not Infallible 4 G. F. Great Mystery p. 33 82 96 107 267. 5. And how can you but delude People if you be not infallible 4 G. F. Great Mystery p. 33 82 96 107 267. 6. Thou say'st The holiest Man that is cannot give an infallible Character of another Man G. F. answers Hast not thou in this shewed thy self to be no Minister of Christ or of the Spirit that cannot give an infallible Character of another Man How canst thou see an holy Man from an unholy Man that cannot give an infallible Character of any Man's State 4 G. F. Great Mystery p. 33 82 96 107 267. 7. Thou being not infallible thou art not in the Spirit and so art not a Minister But George Fox says The Quakers are the ONLY Ministers of Christ 4 G. F. Great Mystery p. 33 82 96 107 267. 1. WE are most horribly abus'd in saying that we pretend all our Ministers to be infallible
1 W. Pen 's Rebuke to 21 Divines p. 22. 1674. And yet but the very Year before the said W. P. writ thus viz. 2. Our Ministry is of GOD it stands in the Power of the living spiritual Gift of GOD 2 Judas and the Jews c. p. 43. 1673. And G. Fox exhorted the Parliament in the Year 1659 in these words viz. 3. Let none have the Name of a Minister but such who are able to satisfy all Doubts and all Questions and for to convince and stop the Mouths of all Gainsayers and Opposers 3 G. F. to the Parl c. p. 6. 1659. Then infallible to be sure 4. The LORD hath given his powerful Ministry meaning themselves the Gift of the Holy Ghost as it was in the Apostles Days 4 E. B 's Works p. 196. And pray were not the Apostles Infallible 5. And thou and you all that speak and write and not from GOD IMMEDIATELY and INFALLIBLY as the Apostles did and Prophets and Christ you are all under the Curse 5 G.F. Great Myst p. 98. c. Thou canst not know the Scripture but by the SAME DEGREE of the Spirit the Prophets and Apostles had 6 p. 213. I think here is not only enough to shew their Contradiction but also that they were not abus'd in saying they pretend all their Ministry to be infallible Section IV. 1. THE Quakers can discern who are Saints and who are Devils and who are Apostates without speaking ever a word 1 G. F 's Great Mystery p. 89. 2. We need none to give us Discerning and Judgment Christ hath furnish'd us already and doth on ALL Occasions 2 Judas and the Jews c. p. 58. 1673. But did they discern the two German Cheats who pretended themselves to be of great Parentage and whom they hugg'd embrac'd and provided for and gloried in as two of their Proselytes till their Wickedness broke forth and till they accused each other of many vile Practices * Anno 1670. Nay they could not discern several of their own Ministers who whilst such were guilty of Whoredom and the like till they themselves or others made a Discovery of them Endless would it be to repeat their want of discerning in these and the like Matters but here are enow to shew they have not that discerning they so vainly and nauseously boast of Section V. 1. THE Quakers are in the Truth and NONE but they Come Protestants Presbyterians Independants Baptists Fifth-Monarchy-men Seventh-day Sabbath-men and Family of Love the Quaker denies you ALL 1 The Quakers Challenge c. p. 2 3. 1668. 2. The Tabernacle of GOD is with you and His Dwelling-place is among you and ONLY among you is GOD known 2 E. B 's Works p. 64. 3. All that ever own GOD and Salvation shall own us 3 Ibid. p. 318. 4. And John Stubs 4 In his Sermon at Devonshire House 1670. declared That none could truly call GOD Father but Friends i. e. the Quakers whom after he had highly extoll'd further said I know thousands of Friends that are free from Sin This being a notorious Vntruth I reproved him for it in private But I must confess I never found him nor any of their Ministers ever contradict themselves in that high Character they give of themselves So that this Section is not in two Columns Section VI. 1. WE i. e. Quakers are of One Mind and Soul 1 E. B 's Works p. 462. Witness the great Differences and Divisions that are among them both in England and beyond-Seas And if to be so divided be to be of one Mind and Soul then indeed they are the People that are so Section VII 1. THE Priests of the World are Conjurers Thieves and Robbers Antichrists Witches Devils Scarlet-colour'd Beasts really they are Blood-hounds 1 See G. Fox c. A brief Discovery c. p. 7 8 9 10. for much more of this Ann. 1653. 2. The Light condemns thee i. e. Mr. Bennet a Minister and ALL thy Generation eternally Thou dead Beast thou polluted Beast thou Sorcerer O thou dark Beast and Conjurer 2 See more of this in E. Bur. Works p. 29 30 31. 3. Scarlet-coloured Beast painted Beast Brazen-fac'd thou art for thou art a Beast thou blind Sot thou dark Sot c 3 See G. Fox 's Truth 's Defence c. p 81 82. for more of this kind 4. Behold your Priest fallible errable Priest scoffing independent Priest ungodly Priest Mountebank Priest taunting Priest stingy Priest mercenary John Faldo a Quack a religious Bone-setter the Priests break-neck 4 Mr. Faldo 's Answ and Vindication of 21 Divines against W. Penn p. 93. Ann. 1675. 5. The idle gormondizing Priests of England No sort of People have been so universally through Ages the Bane of Soul and Body of the Universe as that abominable Tribe for whom the Theatre of GOD's most dreadful Vengeance is reserved to act their eternal Tragedy upon c 5 W. Penn Guide Mistaken c. p. 18. 1668. 6. Old canker'd Apostate unruly Beast Impostor or Renegade Libertine Ranting Spirit Son of Belial See more of this Nature in W. Penn c. Alexander c. p. 3 7 12. 1673. in answer to Mr. Mucklowe a Quaker Hear also what Geo. Whitehead calls him and some other dissenting Quakers viz. Wolves Dogs Devils incarnate and the like in his Preface to Judgment fixt 1682. MEN that are angry for GOD passionate for Christ that call Names for Religion and persecute for Faith may tell us they are Christians if they will but no body would know them to be such by their Fruits to be sure saith W. Penn and so say I they are no Christians of Christ's making 1 W. Penn 's Address to Prot. c. p. 242. 1679. Section VIII 1. LET all those Abby-lands Glebe-lands that are given to the Priests be given to the poor of the Nation 1 G. Fox to the Parl. of the Com. W. c. p. 8. 1659. 2. Slay Baal Baal must be slain All the HIRELINGS MUST BE TURNED OUT OF THE KINGDOM who have pretended that GOD sent them 2 G. F. News out of the North c. p. 31. 1655. 3. Away with Cap-men and Coif-men as they are called 4. Away with all these Counsellors that will not tell Men the Law without 20 s. or 10 s or 30 s 3 Ibid. p. 5. 5. Let all those Fines that belong to Lords of Mannors be given to poor People for Lords have enough 4 Idem p. 8. 6. If you query how you should do with the Impropriators Sell all the Glebe-lands and all the late King's Parks and his Rents to give to the Impropriators 5 G.F. Papers to the Parliament about Tythes p. 63 65. 1659. 7. You should have sold all the Colleges and their Lands and give them to the Poor 6 Idem p. 65. 1. FAR be it from me to solicite