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pray_v for_o we_o &_o if_o he_o shall_v deny_v it_o or_o that_o their_o prayer_n may_v avayle_v we_o as_o vigilantius_n &_o his_o follower_n do_v in_o time_n past_a sanctis_fw-la and_o zuinglius_fw-la with_o other_o sectary_n have_v do_v in_o these_o our_o day_n he_o may_v easy_o be_v convince_v by_o the_o holy_a scripture_n which_o witness_n that_o god_n grant_v the_o petition_n of_o his_o servant_n even_o when_o they_o be_v here_o subject_a to_o sin_n 22._o and_o misery_n and_o have_v mercy_n on_o sinner_n for_o the_o merit_n of_o the_o just_a as_o well_o dead_a as_o live_v and_o therefore_o the_o prophet_n pray_v ne_fw-la auferas_fw-la misericordiam_fw-la tuam_fw-la etc._n etc._n do_v not_o take_v away_o thy_o mercy_n from_o we_o o_o lord_n 3._o for_o thy_o belove_a abraham_n and_o thy_o servant_n isaac_n and_o thy_o holy_a israel_n and_o we_o read_v in_o the_o book_n of_o king_n that_o for_o david_n sake_n god_n do_v mitigate_v his_o wrath_n towards_o solomon_n 11._o and_o save_v also_o the_o kingdom_n of_o juda_n from_o destruction_n in_o the_o reign_n of_o joram_n 21._o and_o ezechias_n 19_o 58._o in_o like_o manner_n god_n pardon_v job_n friend_n for_o his_o sake_n 42._o and_o direct_v they_o unto_o he_o to_o crave_v his_o prayer_n for_o they_o also_o for_o the_o prayer_n of_o moses_n he_o have_v mercy_n on_o the_o people_n 32._o and_o the_o like_v we_o read_v in_o the_o new_a testament_n whereupon_o s._n hierome_n say_v to_o vigilantius_n thus_o vigilantium_fw-la si_fw-mi apostoli_fw-la &_o martyr_n etc._n etc._n if_o the_o apostle_n and_o martyr_n be_v here_o in_o body_n can_v pray_v for_o other_o while_o they_o ought_v to_o be_v careful_a for_o themselves_o how_o much_o more_o may_v they_o do_v it_o after_o their_o crown_n victory_n and_o triumph_n one_o moses_n obtain_v of_o god_n pardon_n for_o six_o hundred_o thousand_o arm_a man_n and_o steven_n the_o follower_n of_o his_o lord_n 32._o and_o first_o martyr_n in_o christ_n crave_v pardon_n for_o his_o persecutor_n and_o shall_v they_o now_o be_v able_a to_o do_v less_o when_o they_o be_v with_o christ_n 7._o paul_n the_o apostle_n say_v that_o 276._o man_n life_n be_v give_v he_o in_o the_o ship_n 27._o and_o therefore_o now_o when_o he_o be_v dissolve_v and_o with_o christ_n will_v he_o hold_v his_o peace_n and_o shall_v he_o not_o be_v able_a so_o much_o as_o to_o open_v his_o mouth_n for_o those_o which_o have_v believe_v by_o his_o preach_n throughout_o the_o world_n and_o shall_v vigilantius_n a_o live_a dog_n be_v better_a than_o a_o dead_a lion_n thus_o argue_v s._n hierome_n by_o a_o argument_n a_fw-fr fortiori_fw-la ground_v on_o the_o scripture_n to_o show_v the_o extreme_a absurdity_n of_o vigilantius_n the_o heretic_n who_o deny_v that_o the_o saint_n in_o heaven_n do_v pray_v for_o we_o and_o be_v able_a to_o help_v us._n 59_o and_o this_o ability_n of_o saint_n to_o help_v man_n be_v to_o be_v ascribe_v not_o only_o to_o the_o effect_n of_o their_o prayer_n but_o also_o to_o their_o power_n 1â—_n authority_n and_o dignity_n see_v that_o christ_n who_o be_v the_o king_n of_o king_n 28._o &_o lord_n of_o lord_n &_o have_v all_o power_n in_o heaven_n and_o earth_n give_v he_o by_o his_o father_n power_n do_v in_o the_o apocalips_n promise_n to_o his_o saint_n a_o communication_n and_o participation_n of_o his_o own_o kingdom_n dominion_n and_o power_n over_o man_n qui_fw-la vicerit_fw-la say_v he_o dabo_fw-la sedere_fw-la mecum_fw-la etc._n etc._n he_o that_o shall_v overcome_v i_o will_v give_v unto_o he_o to_o sit_v with_o i_o in_o my_o throne_n as_o i_o also_o have_v overcome_v and_o sit_v with_o my_o father_n in_o his_o throne_n dabo_fw-la ei_fw-la potestatem_fw-la super_fw-la gentes_fw-la etc._n etc._n 3_o i_o will_v give_v he_o power_n over_o nation_n 2._o and_o he_o shall_v rule_v they_o etc._n etc._n and_o according_a to_o this_o promise_n of_o our_o saviour_n the_o saint_n also_o say_v to_o he_o in_o the_o apocalips_n 5._o redimisti_fw-la nos_fw-la deo_fw-la in_o sanguine_fw-la tuo_fw-la etc._n etc._n thou_o have_v redeem_v we_o to_o god_n in_o thy_o blood_n and_o have_v make_v we_o to_o our_o god_n a_o kingdom_n and_o priest_n and_o we_o shall_v reign_v upon_o the_o earth_n and_o this_o may_v be_v confirm_v out_o of_o the_o book_n of_o wisdom_n 3â—_n which_o say_v that_o the_o just_a when_o they_o shall_v be_v glorify_v iudicabunt_fw-la nationes_fw-la &_o dominabuntur_fw-la populis_fw-la etc._n etc._n shall_v judge_v nation_n and_o shall_v have_v dominion_n over_o people_n and_o in_o like_a manner_n the_o psalmist_n say_v speak_v of_o the_o glory_n of_o god_n saint_n exultabunt_fw-la sancti_fw-la in_o gloria_fw-la etc._n etc._n the_o saint_n shall_v exult_v 14â—_n and_o rejoice_v in_o glory_n etc._n etc._n they_o shall_v have_v two_o edge_a sword_n in_o their_o hand_n to_o take_v revenge_n upon_o nation_n and_o to_o chastise_v people_n to_o tie_v their_o king_n in_o fetter_n and_o their_o noble_a man_n in_o iron_n manacle_n etc._n etc._n thus_o say_v the_o royal_a prophet_n 60._o and_o albeit_o this_o shall_v be_v special_o 19_o and_o most_o manifest_o fulfil_v at_o the_o day_n of_o judgement_n â—2_n when_o the_o saint_n of_o god_n shall_v assist_v our_o saviour_n in_o the_o judgement_n country_n and_o condemnation_n of_o the_o wicked_a yet_o it_o can_v be_v deny_v but_o that_o also_o in_o the_o mean_a time_n it_o be_v verify_v in_o the_o power_n and_o dominion_n that_o god_n impart_v to_o his_o saint_n give_v they_o the_o protection_n of_o city_n country_n and_o man_n as_o it_o appear_v evident_o by_o innumerable_a example_n which_o may_v be_v allege_v of_o kingdom_n and_o city_n defend_v god_n servant_n relieve_v and_o his_o enemy_n destroy_v by_o they_o 19_o for_o which_o cause_n the_o ancient_a father_n do_v worthy_o call_v they_o the_o keeper_n of_o human_a kind_n governor_n of_o
allege_v s._n augustine_n lactantius_n and_o s._n bernard_n to_o prove_v that_o the_o soul_n of_o the_o just_a be_v reserve_v in_o certain_a receptacle_n sanct._n and_o secret_a place_n where_o they_o have_v not_o the_o perfect_a vision_n of_o god_n until_o the_o day_n of_o judgement_n i_o shall_v not_o need_v to_o say_v any_o thing_n thereto_o as_o well_o because_o it_o will_v avayle_v he_o nothing_o as_o you_o see_v though_o s._n augustine_n and_o all_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o father_n have_v be_v of_o that_o opinion_n see_v that_o even_o there_o i_o mean_v in_o those_o receptacle_n the_o saint_n may_v know_v our_o prayer_n by_o angel_n or_o by_o divine_a revelation_n according_a to_o s._n augustine_n doctrine_n as_o also_o because_o it_o be_v evident_a that_o not_o only_a s._n augustine_n but_o also_o all_o the_o father_n both_o greek_a and_o latin_a except_o 3._o to_o wit_n tertullian_n lactantius_n and_o victorinus_n do_v teach_v that_o the_o saint_n do_v already_o enjoy_v the_o vision_n of_o god_n though_o not_o in_o that_o perfection_n and_o consummation_n of_o their_o beatitude_n which_o they_o shall_v have_v after_o the_o resurrection_n and_o glorification_n of_o the_o body_n as_o m._n andrews_n may_v see_v if_o it_o please_v he_o in_o the_o controversy_n of_o cardinal_n bellarmine_n who_o allege_v to_o this_o purpose_n 36._o father_n of_o the_o greek_a 1._o and_o latin_a church_n and_o answer_v particular_o those_o very_a place_n which_o m._n andrews_n quote_v in_o his_o margin_n and_o all_o other_o place_n and_o authoritye_n which_o be_v common_o object_v against_o our_o catholic_a doctrine_n in_o this_o point_n so_o as_o in_o fine_a m._n andrew_n prove_v nothing_o at_o all_o against_o we_o by_o this_o objection_n 48._o and_o whereas_o he_o say_v also_o by_o the_o way_n that_o the_o saint_n ought_v not_o to_o be_v invocate_v albeit_o they_o can_v hear_v we_o because_o there_o be_v no_o precept_n of_o it_o i_o forbear_v to_o give_v any_o full_a 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certain_a tradition_n of_o the_o church_n say_v si_fw-la quid_fw-la horum_fw-la tota_fw-la pâ—r_fw-la orbem_fw-la frequentat_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la etc._n etc._n if_o the_o whole_a church_n throughout_o the_o world_n do_v frequent_a custom_n or_o use_v any_o of_o these_o thing_n it_o be_v a_o most_o insolent_a madness_n to_o dispute_v whether_o it_o be_v to_o be_v do_v or_o no._n thus_o say_v s._n augustine_n conclude_v m._n andrews_n to_o be_v a_o most_o insolent_a mad_a man_n who_o call_v in_o question_n a_o general_a custom_n of_o the_o church_n 4â—_n to_o which_o purpose_n s._n hierome_n also_o say_v to_o the_o luciferian_o that_o albeit_o there_o be_v no_o authority_n of_o scripture_n for_o the_o matter_n in_o question_n betwixt_o they_o yet_o totius_fw-la orbis_fw-la in_o hanc_fw-la partem_fw-la consensus_fw-la instar_fw-la praecepti_fw-la obtineret_fw-la the_o consent_n of_o the_o whole_a world_n in_o this_o behalf_n be_v as_o much_o as_o a_o precept_n and_o the_o like_a say_v tertullian_n hanc_fw-la si_fw-la nulla_fw-la say_v he_o 3._o scriptura_fw-la determinavit_fw-la etc._n etc._n if_o no_o scripture_n have_v determine_v this_o yet_o true_o custom_n which_o without_o doubt_n have_v flow_v from_o tradition_n have_v corroborate_v and_o strengthen_v it_o 50._o to_o these_o father_n i_o may_v add_v many_o more_o to_o the_o same_o purpose_n if_o it_o be_v needful_a but_o these_o may_v suffice_v for_o the_o present_a to_o show_v that_o m._n andrews_n do_v very_o idle_o exact_v a_o precept_n for_o prayer_n to_o saint_n when_o it_o be_v evident_a by_o the_o testimony_n of_o all_o the_o father_n before_o cite_v that_o the_o same_o be_v general_o practise_v in_o the_o church_n in_o their_o time_n no_o less_o than_o it_o be_v at_o this_o present_a whereupon_o i_o also_o conclude_v concern_v the_o fact_n of_o theodosius_n the_o emperor_n corinth_n that_o it_o can_v be_v with_o reason_n deny_v but_o that_o when_o he_o lay_v prostrate_a before_o the_o tomb_n of_o the_o martyr_n crave_v help_n against_o eugenius_n the_o tyrant_n by_o their_o intercession_n he_o pray_v also_o to_o they_o and_o not_o only_o to_o god_n especial_o consider_v the_o testimony_n produce_v by_o i_o before_o out_o of_o sozomen_n concern_v his_o particular_a invocation_n of_o s._n john_n baptist_n upon_o the_o same_o occasion_n and_o out_o of_o s._n chrysostome_n testify_v the_o emperor_n custom_n in_o those_o day_n to_o pray_v to_o the_o martyr_n at_o their_o monument_n wherein_o also_o it_o may_v well_o be_v presume_v that_o s._n chrysostome_n have_v a_o special_a relation_n even_o to_o that_o fact_n of_o theodosius_n whereof_o we_o now_o treat_v because_o the_o same_o be_v then_o very_o famous_a when_o he_o write_v his_o commentary_n upon_o s._n paul_n epistle_n whence_o this_o testimony_n be_v take_v for_o he_o write_v the_o same_o while_o he_o be_v bishop_n as_o it_o may_v appear_v by_o the_o time_n of_o his_o election_n and_o of_o a_o vision_n of_o s._n paul_n who_o be_v see_v to_o assist_v he_o while_o he_o interpret_v those_o epistle_n 407._o be_v then_o bishop_n which_o be_v but_o a_o few_o year_n after_o the_o overthrow_n of_o eugenius_n and_o the_o death_n of_o theodosius_n thus_o much_o for_o the_o testimony_n of_o ruffinus_n 51._o next_o after_o this_o follow_v a_o place_n of_o s._n paulinus_n postquam_fw-la invocate_a s._n clarus_n in_o these_o word_n haec_fw-la peccatorum_fw-la etc._n etc._n receive_v these_o prayer_n of_o sinner_n who_o do_v beseech_v thou_o to_o be_v mindful_a of_o paulinus_n and_o therasia_n and_o now_o because_o paulinus_n write_v in_o verse_n m._n andrews_n will_v have_v it_o to_o be_v understand_v that_o he_o do_v but_o play_v or_o dally_v like_o a_o poet._n andrews_n but_o to_o this_o i_o answer_v that_o if_o s._n paulinus_n be_v a_o poet_n he_o be_v a_o christian_a yea_o a_o holy_a poet_n and_o therefore_o will_v not_o use_v any_o poetical_a licence_n to_o the_o derogation_n of_o the_o christian_a faith_n or_o 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the_o verity_n of_o the_o christian_a faith_n say_v siâ—e_fw-la deus_fw-la per_fw-la seipsum_fw-la miro_fw-la modo_fw-la etc._n etc._n whether_o god_n do_v work_v these_o thing_n by_o himself_o in_o that_o marvellous_a manner_n â—_o whereby_o he_o work_v temporal_a thing_n be_v himself_o eternal_a or_o whether_o he_o do_v the_o self_n same_o thing_n by_o his_o minister_n or_o whether_o he_o do_v some_o of_o they_o by_o the_o soul_n of_o the_o martyr_n as_o he_o do_v by_o man_n while_o they_o be_v yet_o here_o in_o body_n or_o all_o by_o angel_n who_o he_o command_v invisible_o immutable_o and_o without_o a_o body_n in_o such_o sort_n that_o those_o thing_n which_o be_v say_v to_o be_v do_v by_o the_o martyr_n be_v do_v only_o by_o their_o prayer_n and_o impetration_n &_o not_o also_o by_o their_o operation_n or_o whether_o some_o thing_n be_v do_v by_o these_o mean_n &_o some_o by_o other_o which_o can_v by_o any_o mean_n be_v comprehend_v by_o mortal_a man_n ei_fw-la profectò_fw-la haec_fw-la attestantur_fw-la fidei_fw-la etc._n etc._n all_o these_o true_o do_v give_v testimony_n to_o that_o faith_n wherein_o the_o resurrection_n of_o the_o flesh_n be_v preach_v 16._o thus_o discourse_v this_o holy_a father_n acknowledge_v as_o you_o see_v the_o imbecility_n of_o man_n understanding_n to_o comprehend_v the_o manner_n how_o almighty_a god_n do_v work_v these_o supernatural_a effect_n although_o he_o doubt_v not_o of_o the_o effect_n of_o themselves_o elsewhere_o and_o yet_o forsooth_o m._n andrews_n must_v either_o know_v how_o saint_n do_v hear_v we_o or_o else_o he_o will_v deny_v that_o they_o hear_v we_o notwithstanding_o the_o know_a and_o common_a experience_n that_o the_o church_n of_o god_n have_v always_o have_v thereof_o to_o which_o purpose_n also_o it_o may_v be_v observe_v that_o he_o confess_v himself_o verâ—â—_n elsewhere_o that_o god_n be_v wont_n miraculous_o to_o relieve_v those_o that_o pray_v at_o the_o tomb_n of_o martyr_n and_o yet_o i_o be_o sure_a he_o know_v not_o how_o the_o same_o be_v wrought_v i_o mean_v whether_o god_n do_v it_o by_o himself_o or_o by_o the_o 〈…〉_z of_o the_o martyr_n 〈◊〉_d by_o the_o ministry_n of_o angel_n 〈…〉_z and_o sometime_o by_o 〈…〉_z why_o then_o do_v he_o deny_v here_o that_o sayntâ—_n hear_v we_o because_o he_o be_v not_o sure_a how_o they_o hear_v we_o so_o as_o thou_o see_v good_a reader_n what_o a_o wise_a inference_n he_o have_v make_v with_o his_o proinde_fw-la when_o he_o say_v proinde_fw-la aâ—diant_a necnâ—_n &_o therefore_o a_o man_n be_v not_o sure_a whether_o the_o saint_n hear_v he_o hoc_fw-la because_o he_o be_v undertayne_a quâ—_n natione_fw-la audiant_fw-la compellantâ—â—â—_n by_o what_o â—eanes_n or_o in_o what_o manner_n they_o hear_v he_o when_o he_o call_v upon_o they_o 17._o therefore_o whereas_o he_o say_v that_o our_o doctrine_n concern_v the_o glass_n of_o the_o divine_a essence_n and_o the_o sight_n of_o all_o thing_n therein_o be_v more_o subtle_a than_o solid_a and_o not_o sear_a enough_o to_o our_o selâ—es_n found_v it_o will_v 〈◊〉_d import_n though_o it_o 〈…〉_z see_v that_o we_o do_v not_o thereon_o ground_v our_o doctrine_n that_o saint_n hear_v or_o know_v ouâ—_n prayer_n 〈…〉_z the_o custom_n and_o practice_v of_o the_o whole_a church_n of_o god_n which_o pray_v to_o saint_n 〈◊〉_d therefore_o believe_v that_o they_o hear_v we_o and_o partly_o upon_o evident_a experience_n of_o the_o benefit_n that_o by_o god_n merciful_a providence_n and_o ordinance_n man_n do_v receive_v by_o they_o and_o partly_o also_o upon_o the_o conformity_n thereof_o to_o the_o holy_a scripture_n which_o teach_v not_o only_o that_o the_o angelâ—_n in_o heaven_n do_v rejoice_v at_o the_o repentance_n of_o sinner_n which_o they_o can_v not_o do_v if_o they_o do_v not_o kneeâ—_n 1â—_n it_o but_o also_o that_o the_o soul_n of_o the_o just_a be_v glorify_v 〈◊〉_d aequales_fw-la angelis_n 20._o equal_a to_o angel_n and_o consequent_o have_v the_o like_a knowledge_n that_o they_o have_v beside_o that_o it_o be_v evident_a in_o the_o holy_a scripture_n that_o the_o prophet_n of_o god_n do_v see_v the_o heart_n and_o thought_n of_o man_n 9_o and_o know_v thing_n far_o distant_a from_o themâ—_n samuel_n tell_v unto_o saul_n all_o that_o he_o have_v in_o his_o hart_n 5._o and_o elizâ—â—s_n be_v absent_a see_v hiâ—_n servant_n gâ—â—zi_n take_v gift_n of_o 〈◊〉_d the_o syrians_n and_o discover_v also_o all_o that_o which_o the_o king_n of_o syria_n treat_v in_o his_o cabinet_n 7._o also_o s._n steven_n be_v on_o earth_n do_v see_v our_o saviour_n jesus_n christ_n on_o the_o right_a hand_n of_o his_o father_n in_o heaven_n and_o therefore_o it_o be_v absurd_a to_o imagine_v that_o the_o glorify_a saint_n in_o heaven_n can_v not_o see_v or_o know_v what_o be_v do_v on_o earth_n especial_o such_o thing_n as_o concern_v themselves_o and_o the_o honour_n that_o be_v do_v unto_o they_o for_o god_n great_a glory_n and_o the_o prayer_n that_o be_v direct_v to_o they_o for_o the_o relief_n of_o god_n servant_n last_o s._n john_n in_o the_o apocalypse_n signify_v that_o the_o saint_n in_o heaven_n do_v offer_v up_o the_o prayer_n of_o holy_a man_n on_o earth_n â—â—_o which_o they_o can_v not_o do_v if_o they_o do_v not_o understand_v and_o know_v man_n prayer_n 18._o furthermore_o this_o doctrine_n be_v also_o ground_v upon_o the_o clear_a testimony_n of_o the_o father_n who_o teach_v it_o express_o 11._o as_o s._n athanasius_n who_o say_v that_o the_o soul_n of_o saint_n earth_n &_o post_fw-la mortem_fw-la &_o in_o die_v judicij_fw-la cognoscent_fw-la omne_fw-la shall_v know_v all_o thing_n both_o after_o their_o death_n and_o in_o the_o day_n of_o judgement_n and_o nullus_fw-la est_fw-la say_v s._n basil_n ex_fw-la hijs_fw-la qui_fw-la non_fw-la singula_fw-la ubique_fw-la consideret_fw-la there_o be_v none_o of_o these_o he_o speak_v of_o angel_n and_o the_o soul_n of_o the_o just_a who_o do_v not_o consider_v every_o thing_n every_o where_o beside_o that_o he_o call_v the_o 40._o martyr_n commune_v humani_fw-la generis_fw-la custodes_fw-la the_o common_a guardian_n or_o keeper_n of_o humane_a kind_n medium_n s._n ambrose_n also_o say_v that_o martyr_n be_v praeâ—ules_n &_o spectatores_fw-la actuum_fw-la nostrorum_fw-la the_o governors_n and_o beholder_n of_o our_o action_n 19_o in_o like_o manner_n s._n hieromâ—_n teach_v â—â—_z that_o it_o be_v write_v of_o the_o soul_n of_o the_o just_a in_o the_o holy_a scripture_n si_fw-la quuntur_fw-la agnum_fw-la quocumque_fw-la ierit_fw-la they_o follow_v the_o lamb_n wheresoever_o he_o goethe_v and_o then_o he_o add_v si_fw-la agnuâ—_fw-la ubique_fw-la etc._n etc._n if_o the_o lamb_n â—e_v every_o be_v therefore_o it_o be_v to_o be_v believe_v that_o those_o also_o who_o be_v with_o the_o lamb_n be_v every_o where_o and_o see_v that_o devil_n go_v all_o the_o world_n over_o and_o by_o reason_n of_o their_o exceed_a great_a celerity_n be_v every_o where_o present_a shall_v martyr_n after_o they_o have_v shed_v their_o blood_n for_o christ_n be_v shut_v up_o as_o it_o be_v in_o a_o coffer_n that_o they_o can_v get_v out_o so_o he_o theodoret_n also_o give_v to_o martyr_n the_o title_n of_o deuce_n principes_fw-la propugnatores_fw-la &_o custodes_fw-la hominum_fw-la etc._n etc._n the_o captayn_n the_o prince_n 8._o the_o defender_n and_o guardian_n of_o man_n by_o who_o say_v he_o those_o mischief_n and_o misery_n which_o devil_n do_v inflict_v upon_o we_o be_v avert_v from_o us._n s._n chrysostome_n call_v s._n peter_n corinth_n and_o s._n paul_n and_o patron_n and_o protector_n of_o the_o emperor_n whereupon_o it_o must_v needs_o follow_v that_o those_o bless_a apostle_n and_o other_o saint_n do_v understand_v the_o action_n and_o necessity_n of_o those_o who_o they_o protect_v and_o defend_v â—â—_o 20._o moreover_o s._n augustine_n discourse_v how_o the_o saint_n shall_v see_v god_n in_o heaven_n after_o the_o resurrection_n and_o whether_o they_o shall_v see_v he_o with_o their_o corporal_a eye_n teach_v by_o the_o way_n that_o they_o shall_v then_o see_v all_o thing_n with_o the_o eye_n of_o the_o spirit_n etiam_fw-la unde_fw-la sunt_fw-la corpore_fw-la absentes_fw-la even_o whence_o they_o be_v absent_a in_o body_n and_o this_o he_o prove_v ample_o by_o the_o example_n of_o elizaeus_n who_o be_v absent_a from_o his_o servant_n giezi_n see_v he_o take_v gift_n of_o naaman_n â—_o and_o therefore_o say_v unto_o he_o nun_n cor_fw-la meum_fw-la in_o praesenti_fw-la erat_fw-la etc._n etc._n be_v not_o my_o hart_n present_a with_o thou_o when_o the_o man_n come_v from_o his_o chariot_n to_o meet_v thou_o and_o thou_o take_v the_o money_n whereupon_o s._n augustine_n say_v cord_n svo_fw-la ergo_fw-la se_fw-la dixit_fw-la hoc_fw-la vidisse_fw-la propheta_fw-la etc._n etc._n therefore_o the_o prophet_n say_v that_o he_o see_v this_o with_o his_o hart_n be_v no_o doubt_n admirable_o help_v by_o almighty_a god_n but_o how_o much_o
doctrine_n concern_v prayer_n to_o saint_n be_v for_o that_o we_o do_v invocate_v they_o because_o in_o his_o conceit_n invocation_n be_v so_o proper_a to_o god_n alone_o that_o none_o can_v be_v invocate_v but_o he_o and_o if_o he_o do_v not_o conceive_v so_o why_o do_v he_o insist_v so_o much_o upon_o the_o word_n invocate_v yea_o and_o seek_v to_o terrify_v we_o with_o his_o terret_fw-la none_o apostolus_fw-la charge_v we_o to_o make_v light_n of_o he_o because_o we_o invocate_v they_o in_o who_o we_o believe_v not_o that_o be_v to_o say_v those_o who_o we_o do_v not_o hold_v for_o god_n 3._o but_o a_o man_n may_v wonder_v how_o this_o great_a doctor_n can_v so_o gross_o err_v in_o a_o matter_n so_o evident_a as_o this_o see_v that_o the_o word_n of_o the_o apostle_n immediate_o go_v before_o do_v manifest_o show_v that_o he_o speak_v there_o of_o a_o invocation_n due_a to_o god_n alone_o as_o to_o our_o chief_a lord_n which_o kind_n of_o invocation_n be_v not_o communicable_a to_o creature_n and_o therefore_o the_o apostle_n have_v say_v that_o god_n be_v dominus_fw-la omnium_fw-la etc._n etc._n the_o lord_n of_o all_o and_o rich_a or_o bountiful_a 10._o towards_o all_o that_o invocate_v he_o he_o confirm_v it_o with_o the_o say_n of_o the_o prophet_n omnis_fw-la qui_fw-la invocaverit_fw-la nomen_fw-la domini_fw-la saluus_fw-la erit_fw-la 2._o every_o one_o that_o shall_v invocate_v the_o name_n of_o our_o lord_n shall_v be_v save_v and_o then_o he_o add_v believe_v quomodo_fw-la invocabunt_fw-la eum_fw-la in_o quem_fw-la non_fw-la crediderunt_fw-la how_o shall_v they_o invocate_v he_o in_o who_o they_o have_v not_o believe_v as_o who_o will_v say_v how_o can_v they_o invocate_v he_o of_o who_o the_o prophet_n speak_v he_o that_o be_v dominus_fw-la omnium_fw-la the_o lord_n of_o all_o except_o they_o believe_v in_o he_o that_o be_v to_o say_v except_o they_o believe_v he_o to_o be_v their_o lord_n and_o creator_n whereby_o he_o do_v not_o signify_v that_o none_o but_o god_n can_v be_v invocate_v in_o any_o sort_n but_o that_o we_o can_v invocate_v god_n as_o our_o lord_n and_o our_o god_n except_o we_o believe_v he_o so_o to_o be_v 4._o and_o this_o do_v not_o contradict_v the_o invocation_n of_o saint_n in_o another_o respect_n to_o wit_n not_o as_o god_n but_o as_o the_o servant_n of_o god_n who_o he_o glorify_v and_o honour_v and_o by_o who_o intercession_n and_o mediation_n he_o bestow_v grace_n and_o favour_n upon_o man_n in_o which_o sense_n it_o may_v also_o be_v true_o say_v that_o we_o can_v invocate_v they_o or_o crave_v the_o help_n of_o their_o prayer_n except_o we_o do_v in_o some_o sort_n believe_v in_o they_o i_o mean_v so_o far_o forth_o as_o we_o invocate_v they_o that_o be_v to_o say_v except_o we_o believe_v they_o to_o be_v god_n servant_n and_o that_o we_o also_o have_v confidence_n in_o they_o as_o in_o those_o who_o by_o god_n goodness_n may_v help_v us._n so_o as_o a_o faith_n and_o belief_n in_o saint_n be_v also_o necessary_a for_o the_o invocation_n of_o they_o though_o it_o be_v not_o the_o faith_n that_o we_o have_v in_o god_n as_o in_o our_o chief_a lord_n and_o creator_n and_o that_o we_o may_v have_v faith_n in_o saint_n m._n andrew_n may_v learn_v in_o the_o apostle_n himself_o who_o commend_v the_o charity_n philem_n and_o faith_n which_o philemon_n have_v in_o domino_fw-la jesu_fw-la &_o in_o omnes_fw-la sanctos_fw-la in_o our_o lord_n jesus_n and_o in_o all_o saint_n upon_o which_o word_n s._n hierome_n in_o his_o commentary_n upon_o that_o epistle_n discourse_v ample_o philem_fw-la prove_v that_o we_o may_v be_v say_v to_o have_v faith_n in_o saint_n 5._o therefore_o m._n andrew_n be_v to_o understand_v for_o the_o full_a answer_n of_o his_o objection_n that_o as_o there_o be_v a_o honour_n and_o glory_n which_o be_v due_a to_o god_n only_o as_o the_o apostle_n witness_v 1._o say_v soli_fw-la deo_fw-la honour_n &_o gloria_fw-la honour_n and_o glory_n be_v to_o god_n alone_o and_o another_o due_n to_o creature_n whereof_o the_o same_o apostle_n also_o say_v 2._o gloria_fw-la honour_n &_o pax_fw-la omni_fw-la operanti_fw-la bonum_fw-la glory_n honour_n and_o peace_n be_v to_o every_o one_o that_o do_v good_a so_o also_o there_o be_v two_o sort_n of_o invocation_n the_o one_o use_v to_o god_n alone_o whereof_o the_o apostle_n speak_v in_o the_o text_n allege_v by_o m._n andrew_n and_o the_o other_o use_v not_o only_o to_o angel_n and_o saint_n 48._o but_o also_o to_o man_n as_o we_o read_v in_o the_o holy_a scripture_n where_o jacob_n bless_v the_o child_n of_o joseph_n say_v 〈◊〉_d invocetur_fw-la nomen_fw-la meum_fw-la super_fw-la pueros_fw-la hos_fw-la &_o nomina_fw-la patrum_fw-la meorum_fw-la let_v my_o name_n and_o the_o name_n of_o my_o father_n abraham_n and_o isaac_n be_v invocate_v upon_o those_o child_n upon_o which_o word_n s._n augustine_n note_v express_o that_o not_o only_a exaudition_n 200._o but_o also_o invocation_n be_v sometime_o apply_v to_o man_n and_o not_o to_o god_n alone_o beside_o that_o i_o will_v make_v it_o evident_a hereafter_o that_o the_o ancient_a father_n do_v use_v invocation_n for_o prayer_n to_o saint_n 6._o but_o if_o m._n andrew_n will_n not_o believe_v s._n augustine_n and_o the_o other_o ancient_a father_n nor_o yet_o the_o holy_a scripture_n let_v he_o believe_v himself_o who_o afterward_o teach_v clear_o enough_o that_o the_o word_n invocation_n may_v be_v apply_v to_o creature_n for_o he_o say_v that_o poscere_fw-la à _fw-la sanctis_fw-la auxilium_fw-la autem_fw-la propriè_fw-la invocare_fw-la est_fw-la to_o crave_v help_n of_o saint_n be_v proper_o to_o invocate_v they_o so_o that_o according_a to_o this_o interpretation_n of_o he_o we_o do_v proper_o invocate_v all_o those_o of_o who_o we_o crave_v help_v himself_o and_o succour_n which_o we_o lawful_o crave_v not_o only_o of_o god_n but_o also_o of_o those_o who_o by_o the_o ordinance_n of_o god_n may_v and_o do_v lawful_o succour_v and_o help_v we_o as_o angel_n saint_n and_o man_n do_v whereupon_o it_o follow_v that_o we_o may_v lawful_o demand_v their_o help_n and_o consequent_o invocate_v they_o according_a to_o m._n andrews_n his_o own_o interpretation_n whereby_o it_o appear_v that_o he_o have_v not_o only_o very_o idle_o labour_v to_o fright_v we_o with_o his_o terrible_a text_n take_v out_o of_o the_o apostle_n but_o also_o fond_o contradict_v himself_o 7._o no_o less_o vain_a and_o idle_a be_v the_o exception_n which_o he_o take_v against_o the_o cardinal_n us._n for_o undertake_v to_o prove_v the_o intercession_n of_o saint_n instead_o of_o the_o invocation_n of_o saint_n for_o how_o can_v m._n andrew_n be_n ignorant_a that_o the_o cardinal_n mean_v to_o prove_v the_o catholic_a doctrine_n concern_v prayer_n to_o saint_n or_o the_o invocation_n of_o saint_n albeit_o he_o term_v it_o the_o intercession_n of_o saint_n for_o whereas_o there_o be_v in_o this_o question_n two_o point_n special_o controverse_v the_o one_o whether_o we_o may_v pray_v to_o saint_n and_o the_o other_o whether_o they_o do_v pray_v for_o we_o which_o two_o have_v a_o connexion_n and_o dependence_n one_o of_o another_o it_o suffice_v that_o the_o cardinal_n name_v one_o of_o they_o mean_v under_o the_o title_n thereof_o to_o prove_v the_o catholic_a doctrine_n concern_v they_o both_o as_o indeed_o he_o do_v by_o the_o place_n of_o the_o father_n which_o he_o allege_v prove_v by_o some_o of_o they_o that_o the_o saint_n pray_v for_o we_o succour_n and_o help_v we_o and_o by_o other_o that_o we_o may_v pray_v to_o they_o yea_o and_o that_o we_o do_v receive_v help_n and_o succour_v by_o they_o whereby_o the_o cardinal_n do_v sufficient_o discharge_v his_o promise_n yea_o and_o prove_v that_o which_o m._n andrew_n exact_v of_o he_o to_o wit_n the_o invocation_n of_o saint_n so_o that_o m._n andrew_n show_v himself_o still_o to_o be_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d a_o notable_a wrangler_n contend_v about_o word_n when_o nevertheless_o he_o understand_v clear_o the_o cardinal_n sense_n and_o mean_v therein_o 8._o and_o now_o to_o show_v that_o the_o cardinal_n evident_o prove_v the_o invocation_n of_o saint_n i_o will_v examine_v m._n andrews_n his_o answer_n to_o the_o place_n allege_v by_o the_o cardinal_n out_o of_o the_o father_n whereby_o also_o his_o cavil_v wrangle_a &_o fraudulent_a humour_n shall_v evident_o appear_v he_o devide_v the_o father_n which_o the_o cardinal_n produce_v into_o 3._o rank_n patrum_fw-la the_o first_o say_v he_o be_v of_o those_o qui_fw-la verè_fw-la patres_fw-la sed_fw-la non_fw-la verè_fw-la citantur_fw-la be_v true_o father_n but_o not_o true_o cite_v the_o second_o of_o those_o qui_fw-la verè_fw-la citantur_fw-la sed_fw-la fidei_fw-la suspectae_fw-la which_o be_v true_o cite_v but_o of_o no_o sound_a credit_n and_o the_o three_o chip_n of_o those_o qui_fw-la &_o very_fw-la &_o verè_fw-la
the_o same_o be_v to_o be_v extend_v to_o the_o new_a law_n as_o well_o may_v he_o say_v that_o we_o be_v bind_v to_o observe_v the_o whole_a law_n and_o so_o prove_v himself_o a_o jew_n &_o evacuate_v the_o law_n of_o christ_n as_o saint_n paul_n argue_v against_o 5._o those_o that_o maintain_v the_o use_n of_o circumcision_n together_o with_o the_o faith_n of_o christ._n 27._o nevertheless_o i_o say_v not_o this_o to_o exclude_v all_o manner_n of_o argument_n moses_n or_o inference_n draw_v from_o the_o old_a law_n to_o the_o new_a that_o the_o same_o remain_n within_o the_o limit_n of_o probability_n as_o from_o the_o figure_n to_o the_o verity_n which_o admit_v many_o limitation_n and_o exception_n but_o to_o exclude_v the_o obligation_n of_o all_o precept_n either_o ceremonial_a 16._o or_o judicial_a which_o do_v not_o in_o any_o sort_n bind_v we_o now_o as_o i_o have_v show_v in_o the_o first_o chapter_n of_o this_o adjoinder_n and_o therefore_o whereas_o m._n andrews_n say_v here_o cum_fw-la praeceptum_fw-la acceperimus_fw-la in_o lege_fw-la disertis_fw-la verbis_fw-la etc._n etc._n see_v we_o have_v receive_v a_o precept_n in_o the_o law_n in_o express_a word_n etc._n etc._n jew._n i_o say_v to_o he_o that_o see_v this_o precept_n do_v undouted_o belong_v to_o the_o ceremonial_a law_n and_o concern_v only_o the_o manner_n of_o worship_n to_o be_v do_v to_o god_n by_o sacrifice_n he_o show_v himself_o a_o flat_a jew_n in_o say_v that_o we_o christian_n have_v receive_v this_o precept_n in_o the_o law_n 28._o furthermore_o he_o be_v to_o understand_v that_o albeit_o we_o shall_v grant_v that_o nothing_o can_v be_v practise_v or_o teach_v in_o the_o new_a law_n without_o some_o precept_n or_o doctrine_n thereof_o deliver_v by_o our_o saviour_n christ_n unto_o his_o church_n yet_o he_o can_v gain_v nothing_o thereby_o except_o he_o can_v also_o prove_v that_o all_o our_o saviour_n precept_n and_o doctrine_n be_v express_o set_v down_o in_o scripture_n which_o neither_o he_o nor_o any_o of_o his_o fellow_n have_v be_v able_a yet_o to_o prove_v or_o ever_o shall_v be_v it_o be_v evident_a that_o our_o saviour_n neither_o command_v any_o thing_n at_o all_o to_o be_v write_v but_o to_o be_v preach_v and_o teach_v say_v praedicate_fw-la evangelium_fw-la etc._n etc._n preach_v the_o gospel_n to_o every_o creature_n and_o again_o docete_fw-la omnes_fw-la gentes_fw-la etc._n etc._n teach_v all_o nation_n 28._o baptise_v they_o &c._n &c._n neither_o do_v the_o apostle_n either_o write_v any_o thing_n of_o diverse_a year_n after_o christ_n ascension_n or_o when_o they_o write_v deliver_v all_o christ_n doctrine_n and_o their_o own_o by_o writing_n 2._o but_o very_o many_o thing_n by_o tradition_n in_o which_o respect_n the_o apostle_n himself_o say_v tenete_fw-la traditiones_fw-la quas_fw-la accepistis_fw-la sive_fw-la per_fw-la sermonem_fw-la sive_fw-la per._n epistolam_fw-la nostram_fw-la hold_v the_o tradition_n which_o you_o have_v receive_v either_o by_o word_n or_o by_o our_o epistle_n by_o which_o word_n of_o the_o apostle_n the_o ancient_a father_n namely_o 2._o s._n chrysostome_n 61_o s._n epiphanius_n 29._o s._n basil_n s._n john_n 17_o damascen_n 2._o oecumenius_n theophilactus_fw-la and_o the_o 8._o general_n 1._o council_n do_v prove_v the_o necessary_a use_n of_o unwritten_a tradition_n in_o the_o church_n and_o among_o the_o rest_n s_o chrysostome_n say_v hinc_fw-la patet_fw-la etc._n etc._n hereby_o it_o be_v manife_a that_o the_o apostle_n do_v not_o deliver_v all_o thing_n by_o epistle_n but_o many_o thing_n without_o writing_n eadem_fw-la fide_fw-la digna_fw-la sunt_fw-la tam_fw-la illa_fw-la quam_fw-la ista_fw-la as_o well_o those_o thing_n as_o these_o be_v worthy_a of_o the_o same_o credit_n rule_n 29._o for_o this_o cause_n s._n augustine_n give_v this_o general_a rule_n that_o whatsoever_o the_o whole_a church_n retain_v whereof_o the_o beginning_n can_v be_v deduce_v either_o from_o the_o scripture_n or_o general_n counsel_n or_o some_o late_a institution_n the_o same_o be_v undouted_o deliver_v by_o the_o apostle_n and_o this_o he_o urge_v 23._o very_o often_o as_o a_o most_o assure_a ground_n and_o principle_n against_o the_o donatist_n and_o for_o the_o same_o reason_n not_o only_o he_o but_o also_o all_o other_o father_n teach_v that_o the_o general_a custom_n of_o the_o church_n be_v a_o infallible_a and_o evident_a proof_n of_o the_o truth_n in_o any_o controversy_n in_o so_o much_o that_o he_o affirm_v it_o to_o be_v insolentissimae_fw-la insaniae_fw-la a_o point_n of_o most_o insolent_a madness_n to_o dispute_v or_o doubt_v of_o it_o as_o i_o have_v declare_v in_o the_o last_o chapter_n which_o i_o wish_v m._n andrews_n well_o to_o observe_v as_o also_o the_o other_o testimony_n of_o the_o ancient_a father_n produce_v there_o concern_v this_o point_n 49._o 30._o now_o then_o hereupon_o i_o conclude_v two_o thing_n the_o one_o that_o m._n andrews_n who_o as_o he_o say_v 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