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discesserunt_fw-la 3._o that_o text_n in_o act_n 20.32_o confute_v this_o notion_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d follow_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d in_o this_o text_n to_o the_o 2._o aor_n voc_fw-la med_a and_o we_o shall_v find_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d in_o act_n 14.23_o now_o the_o apostle_n do_v not_o ordain_v these_o he_o call_v they_o elder_n and_o bishop_n before_o and_o so_o they_o be_v but_o now_o take_v his_o leave_n of_o they_o he_o commend_v they_o to_o god_n and_o so_o he_o do_v in_o act_n 14._o depart_v from_o the_o church_n he_o commend_v they_o to_o god_n in_o who_o they_o have_v believe_v 4._o i_o can_v yet_o be_v convince_v but_o that_o ordination_n be_v a_o act_n of_o authoritative_a power_n but_o commend_v of_o a_o person_n to_o god_n in_o prayer_n be_v no_o act_n of_o such_o power_n 5._o the_o scripture_n give_v we_o another_o definition_n of_o ordination_n as_o i_o shall_v show_v afterward_o ergo_fw-la this_o be_v not_o the_o true_a definition_n thus_o than_o i_o have_v make_v it_o clear_a that_o gift_n and_o popular_a election_n be_v not_o sufficient_a to_o constitute_v a_o minister_n if_o the_o scripture_n may_v be_v judge_n we_o may_v make_v use_n of_o other_o civil_a officer_n to_o illustrate_v it_o more_o pol._n keck_n pol._n the_o athenian_a senator_n be_v swear_v though_o the_o people_n do_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d so_o be_v our_o magistrate_n take_v a_o constable_n though_o the_o town_n have_v choose_v he_o to_o that_o office_n yet_o if_o he_o shall_v act_v as_o a_o constable_n before_o he_o be_v swear_v he_o be_v a_o trespassor_n and_o a_o man_n may_v have_v a_o action_n against_o he_o for_o his_o so_o do_v there_o be_v much_o reason_n why_o the_o popular_a election_n shall_v give_v the_o essence_n here_o but_o there_o be_v no_o such_o reason_n why_o it_o shall_v to_o a_o minister_n yet_o here_o we_o find_v in_o civil_a officer_n more_o than_o election_n before_o they_o can_v act_v i_o pray_v let_v we_o have_v order_n 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deny_v that_o we_o have_v any_o positive_a rule_n because_o we_o have_v none_o but_o example_n which_o show_v how_o minister_n come_v in_o to_o office_n but_o if_o those_o example_n of_o apostle_n commission_v by_o christ_n to_o order_v his_o house_n have_v such_o a_o promise_n of_o his_o presence_n with_o they_o be_v not_o rule_n to_o we_o than_o we_o have_v no_o rule_n at_o all_o leave_v for_o officer_n come_v into_o his_o house_n which_o be_v strange_a defect_n of_o wisdom_n to_o impute_v to_o christ_n that_o he_o shall_v have_v a_o house_n and_o no_o order_n in_o it_o and_o contrary_a to_o the_o old_a church_n which_o have_v rule_n exact_o for_o their_o officer_n come_v in_o nor_o must_v popular_a election_n be_v ever_o more_o plead_v for_o or_o 2._o they_o must_v deny_v it_o because_o officer_n be_v make_v without_o any_o ordination_n which_o be_v the_o thing_n i_o desire_v to_o see_v prove_v from_o scripture_n if_o we_o observe_v the_o practice_n of_o the_o apostle_n after_o they_o have_v receive_v the_o promise_n of_o the_o spirit_n and_o be_v now_o fit_v and_o send_v forth_o to_o act_v with_o that_o spirit_n guide_v they_o we_o find_v that_o thus_o they_o do_v set_v deacon_n in_o the_o house_n of_o god_n act_v 6.6_o obj._n but_o it_o be_v object_v that_o here_o be_v no_o ordination_n to_o any_o office_n at_o all_o there_o be_v person_n before_o who_o do_v this_o work_n that_o we_o suppose_v the_o deacon_n shall_v these_o man_n be_v appoint_v only_o for_o that_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d necessity_n in_o v._o 3._o that_o be_v to_o end_v that_o difference_n which_o arise_v in_o v._o 1._o 1._o a._n it_o be_v true_a there_o be_v some_o who_o do_v distribute_v the_o good_n of_o the_o church_n to_o the_o poor_a etc._n etc._n who_o those_o be_v i_o think_v chap._n 4._o v._o ult_n will_v tell_v we_o they_o lay_v the_o money_n at_o the_o apostle_n foot_n whence_o it_o be_v clear_a to_o i_o that_o the_o apostle_n have_v this_o burden_n upon_o they_o also_o compare_v the_o verse_n with_o chap._n 6.2_o and_o this_o they_o find_v a_o great_a hindrance_n to_o they_o in_o their_o preach_a work_n so_o that_o both_o they_o can_v not_o tend_v whence_o by_o the_o spirit_n they_o be_v guide_v to_o institute_n the_o deacon_n upon_o search_n i_o find_v other_o man_n of_o my_o mind_n 3.9_o mind_n inst_z l._n 4._o c._n 3.9_o calvin_n 217._o calvin_n exam._n con._n trid._n p._n 217._o chemnitius_n 766._o chemnitius_n in_o 4._o praec_fw-la p._n 766._o zanch._n with_o more_o who_o i_o can_v mention_v 2._o the_o apostle_n do_v not_o say_v v._o 2._o to_o leave_v the_o word_n of_o god_n &_o decide_v difference_n but_o serve_v table_n which_o they_o see_v hinder_v they_o and_o one_o they_o see_v they_o must_v neglect_v or_o perform_v not_o well_o as_o we_o see_v complaint_n make_v whence_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d in_o v._o 3._o must_v answer_v to_o that_o which_o the_o apostle_n can_v not_o attend_v to_o in_o v._o 2._o which_o be_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 3._o as_o the_o church-member_n consist_v of_o body_n as_o well_o as_o soul_n which_o body_n must_v be_v provide_v for_o by_o other_o if_o they_o have_v not_o of_o their_o own_o to_o uphold_v they_o and_o since_o god_n have_v give_v in_o charge_n that_o collection_n shall_v be_v make_v for_o the_o poor_a since_o also_o there_o be_v divers_a thing_n which_o belong_v to_o the_o worship_n of_o god_n and_o thing_n about_o the_o church_n which_o must_v have_v money_n to_o buy_v they_o and_o to_o answer_v for_o they_o hence_o it_o stand_v with_o right_a reason_n that_o a_o officer_n be_v choose_v and_o authorize_v to_o be_v the_o church-treasurer_n to_o take_v in_o these_o collection_n and_o money_n and_o by_o these_o to_o serve_v the_o poor_n table_n the_o lord_n table_n i_o conceive_v they_o have_v their_o love-feast_n at_o that_o time_n also_o and_o why_o they_o shall_v not_o attend_v upon_o the_o minister_n at_o the_o administration_n of_o the_o lord_n supper_n i_o know_v 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the_o accidental_a corruption_n of_o it_o 3._o between_o what_o come_v through_o rome_n be_v christ_n institution_n and_o what_o come_v from_o rome_n be_v their_o own_o invention_n these_o distinction_n will_v soon_o answer_v the_o objection_n 6._o 66._o to._n 2._o p._n 66._o learned_a aim_n in_o his_o answer_n to_o bellarmin_n urge_v this_o ecclesia_fw-la nullo_n modo_fw-la potest_fw-la esse_fw-la sine_fw-la pastoribus_fw-la &_o episcopis_fw-la illi_fw-la soli_fw-la sunt_fw-la very_fw-la episcopi_fw-la qui_fw-la ab_fw-la apostolis_n per_fw-la legitimam_fw-la successionem_fw-la &_o ordinationem_fw-la descendisse_fw-la ostenduntur_fw-la etc._n etc._n speak_v thus_o ab_fw-la apostolis_n descenderunt_fw-la own_v illi_fw-la pastor_n qui_fw-la secundum_fw-la canon_n apostolicos_fw-la in_o scripture_n traditos_fw-la sunt_fw-la in_o ecclesia_fw-la constituti_fw-la 4._o horum_fw-la perpetua_fw-la successio_fw-la ab_fw-la apostolis_n &_o apostolicis_fw-la viris_fw-la non_fw-la est_fw-la 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