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A78612 A pretended voice from heaven, proved to bee the voice of man, and not of God. Or, An answer to a treatise, called A voice from heaven, written by Mr. Gualter Postlethwait, an unordained preacher, taking upon him to exercise the pastoral charge, in a congregation at Lewis in Sussex. Wherein, his weakness, in undertaking to prove all protestant churches to bee antichristian, and to bee separated from, as no true churches of Christ, is discovered; and the sinfulness of such a separation evinced. Together with, a brief answer inserted, to the arguments for popular ordination, brought by the answerers of Jus Divinum Ministerii Evangelici, in their book called The preacher sent. By Ezekiel Charke, M.A. and rector of Waldron in Sussex. Imprimatur, Edmond Calamy. Charke, Ezekiel. 1658 (1658) Wing C2069; Thomason E959_5; ESTC R207673 108,343 141

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otherwise_o of_o they_o how_o be_v it_o true_a which_o he_o say_v that_o those_o that_o trust_v in_o the_o lord_n will_v cry_v cast_v up_o what_o live_n mr._n p._n have_v refuse_v i_o know_v not_o but_o as_o forward_o as_o he_o be_v in_o trumpete_v out_o hereby_o his_o self-denial_n so_o forward_o i_o think_v he_o be_v bind_v in_o conscience_n to_o be_v to_o make_v restitution_n of_o the_o silver_n and_o gold_n of_o the_o idol_n as_o he_o phrase_v it_o which_o he_o have_v receive_v ever_o since_o he_o first_o take_v upon_o he_o to_o preach_v let_v he_o hereby_o manifest_v his_o fervour_n in_o say_v cast_v up_o and_o that_o he_o speak_v from_o his_o heart_n when_o he_o say_v let_v truth_n prevail_v though_o the_o sky_n shall_v fall_v but_o i_o fear_v the_o sky_n will_v fall_v as_o soon_o as_o he_o do_v it_o sect_n 10._o of_o mr._n
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titus_n what_o ability_n elder_n shall_v be_v find_v by_o he_o to_o have_v in_o order_n to_o his_o constitute_v they_o in_o every_o city_n if_o the_o people_n may_v choose_v man_n who_o he_o judge_v unable_a and_o their_o election_n stand_v valid_a 3_o if_o election_n do_v give_v the_o essence_n of_o the_o call_v to_o the_o office_n of_o eldership_n yet_o these_o brethren_n can_v prove_v from_o scripture_n that_o it_o belong_v to_o private_a believer_n as_o give_v such_o a_o call_n no_o scripture_n that_o i_o know_v of_o gives_z power_n to_o people_n to_o choose_v their_o elder_n so_o as_o to_o give_v they_o thereby_o a_o call_v to_o office_n they_o may_v choose_v they_o in_o order_n to_o the_o exercise_n of_o their_o ministerial_a office_n among_o they_o but_o do_v not_o by_o that_o choice_n confer_v the_o ministerial_a office_n upon_o they_o no_o nor_o empower_v they_o to_o exercise_v that_o office_n among_o they_o the_o scripture_n common_o urge_v for_o it_o prove_v no_o such_o thing_n for_o which_o see_v sect._n 7._o of_o this_o book_n about_o the_o the_o end_n that_o minister_n have_v power_n to_o choose_v and_o set_v elder_n in_o the_o church_n that_o mention_v place_n in_o titus_n prove_v that_o people_n have_v such_o a_o elect_a power_n no_o scripture_n prove_v there_o be_v some_o show_n of_o their_o power_n to_o choose_v deacon_n but_o not_o elder_n and_o that_o choice_n act._n 6._o do_v not_o appear_v to_o have_v constitute_v they_o such_o beside_o there_o be_v a_o great_a deal_n of_o difference_n between_o choose_v those_o who_o be_v to_o look_v to_o the_o good_n of_o the_o church_n and_o those_o who_o be_v to_o watch_v over_o the_o soul_n of_o the_o church_n and_o to_o rule_v they_o in_o the_o lord_n the_o deacon_n be_v the_o church_n servant_n but_o elder_n their_o ruler_n 4_o that_o ordination_n give_v the_o essence_n of_o the_o call_v to_o offfice_v the_o author_n they_o answer_v have_v prove_v and_o will_v i_o suppose_v vindicate_v their_o proof_n from_o what_o they_o have_v say_v against_o they_o if_o they_o shall_v find_v it_o to_o be_v tanti_fw-la the_o very_a first_o of_o they_o from_o the_o new_a testament_n be_v sufficient_a to_o conclude_v this_o which_o be_v concern_v deacon_n a_o office_n inferior_a to_o eldership_n act._n 6.3_o look_v you_o out_o among_o you_o say_v the_o apostle_n seven_o man_n who_o we_o may_v appoint_v over_o this_o business_n they_o can_v be_v deem_v to_o have_v have_v the_o essence_n of_o the_o call_v to_o office_n till_o they_o be_v appoint_v to_o it_o the_o look_v of_o they_o out_o do_v not_o appoint_v they_o to_o it_o the_o set_v they_o before_o the_o apostle_n do_v not_o appoint_v they_o to_o it_o for_o it_o be_v who_o we_o not_o you_o may_v appoint_v appoint_a to_o it_o they_o be_v then_o by_o the_o apostle_n lay_v of_o hand_n on_o they_o with_o prayer_n therefore_o the_o apostle_n ordain_v they_o with_o prayer_n and_o imposition_n of_o hand_n give_v they_o the_o essence_n of_o the_o call_v to_o office_n and_o so_o ordination_n give_v the_o essence_n of_o the_o call_v to_o office_n and_o be_v not_o a_o adjunct_n this_o argument_n then_o be_v far_o from_o prove_v that_o people_n may_v ordain_v arg._n 6._o if_o ordination_n consist_v in_o etc._n preacher_n send_v p._n 338_o etc._n etc._n or_o be_v make_v up_o of_o such_o act_n only_o as_o believer_n may_v undoubted_o perform_v and_o these_o act_n be_v not_o limit_v in_o their_o use_n upon_o this_o occasion_n to_o officer_n only_o then_o in_o a_o church_n which_o have_v no_o officer_n some_o believer_n may_v lawful_o and_o warrantable_o ordain_v without_o officer_n but_o ordination_n consist_v etc._n etc._n ergo._n the_o minor_a they_o endeavour_v to_o prove_v by_o say_v that_o the_o three_o thing_n belong_v to_o ordination_n on_o the_o part_n of_o the_o ordainer_n fast_v prayer_n imposition_n of_o hand_n may_v be_v all_o perform_v by_o believer_n ans_fw-fr the_o minor_a be_v exceed_v weak_a that_o private_a 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their_z talking_z of_o mediate_a and_o immediate_a be_v to_o little_a purpose_n but_o there_o be_v no_o such_o command_n express_v or_o include_v in_o the_o new_a testament_n and_o will_v they_o say_v from_o that_o command_n that_o there_o be_v now_o a_o necessity_n of_o the_o people_n lay_v on_o hand_n in_o ordination_n they_o must_v say_v it_o if_o they_o will_v make_v use_n of_o this_o text_n their_o way_n and_o than_o it_o will_v follow_v there_o have_v be_v none_o right_o ordain_v for_o one_o thousand_o six_o hundred_o year_n since_o christ_n 3._o it_o be_v clear_a from_o this_o eight_o of_o number_n by_o read_v the_o follow_a verse_n that_o the_o levite_n be_v take_v instead_o of_o the_o first-born_a which_o be_v god_n by_o his_o appointment_n vers_fw-la 16_o 17_o 18._o the_o people_n whoever_o of_o they_o they_o be_v do_v by_o this_o ceremony_n only_o declare_v that_o they_o close_v with_o the_o lord_n appointment_n and_o desire_v the_o levite_n may_v according_a to_o it_o be_v 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