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A07966 An apology of English Arminianisme or A dialogue betweene Iacobus Arminius, professour in the Vniuersity of Leyden in Holland; and Enthusiastus an English Doctour of Diuinity and a great precisian. Wherein are defended the doctrines of Arminius touching freewill, predestination, and reprobation: the said doctrines being mantained & taught by many of the most learned Protestants of England, at this present time. Written by O.N. heertofore of the Vniuersity of Oxford.; Apology of English Arminianisme. O. N., fl. 1634. 1634 (1634) STC 18333; ESTC S119849 84,307 213

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epist_n pauli_n ad_fw-la cor._n posteriori_fw-la parte_fw-la th●fi_n 5._o rungius_n professor_n in_o the_o university_n of_o wittenberg_n 6●_n wittenberg_n in_o epitome_n colloq_fw-la montisbelgar_a p._n 47._o &_o 6●_n jaco●●_n andraeas_n 650._o andraeas_n in_o disput_fw-la 17._o pro_fw-la sanctissimo_fw-la libro_fw-la concord_n disput_fw-la 10._o p._n 650._o gesnerus_fw-la professor_n in_o w●t●mberg_n and_o diverse_a other_o learned_a follower_n of_o luther_n all_o maintain_v 〈◊〉_d uncertainty_n of_o salvation_n we_o 〈◊〉_d mclancthon_n thus_o express_o to_o 〈◊〉_d ●o_o 112._o ●o_o melanct●_n in_o council_n theolog._n pag._n 112._o excidunt_fw-la homines_fw-la à_fw-la gratia_fw-la etc._n etc._n man_n do_v fall_v from_o grace_n and_o do_v loose_v their_o justify_n grace_v etc._n etc._n in_o like_a sort_n ●24_n sort_n in_o the_o harmony_n of_o conf●ssions_n in_o english_a pag._n ●24_n the_o confession_n of_o auspurg_n condemn_v the_o doctrine_n of_o certainty_n of_o salvation_n for_o 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