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A00387 A playne and godly exposytion or declaratio[n] of the co[m]mune crede (which in the Latin tonge is called Symbolum Apostolorum) and of the. x. co[m]maundementes of goddes law, newly made and put forth by the famouse clarke, Mayster. Erasmus of Roterdame, at the requeste of the moste honorable lorde, Thomas Erle of wyltshyre: father to the moste gratious and vertuous Quene Anne wyf to our most gracyous soueraygne lorde kynge Henry the. viii. Cum priuilegio.; Catechismus. English Erasmus, Desiderius, d. 1536.; Marshall, William, fl. 1535. 1534 (1534) STC 10504; ESTC S101698 157,733 357

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¶ what this worde infery doth signifie otherwhiles in the scriptur● ☞ Morietur et deducent famuli tu● canos eius cum dolore ad inferos that is to saye He shall dye and thy seruaūtes shall brynge his hore heares with sorowe to his graue He called here the aged bodye of Iacob horeheares and by this worde inferos he meante the sepulture or graue And this thynge dothe saynte Cipriane in fewe wordes in a maner shewe whan after that he hadde sayde before that this partycle is not hadde neyther in the churches of the west nor in the churches of the east he addeth afterwardes these wordes Uis tamē verbi videtur eadem esse in eo quod sepultus dicitur that is too saye Howe be it there semeth to be the same str●ngthe of the worde in that that he is sayde to haue ben buried As who sholde saye that descendere ad inferna were noughte els but to be buryed in the graue which our lorde speakynge of his owne buryall called to be in the hert of the earth In these testimonies which they alledge of the scripture there are certayne whiche are well nere of no wayghte but there is none of thē but eyther it is darke with the myste of allegorie orels it dothe receyue dyuerse and manifolde interpretations Neither are the reasons whiche they do brynge of muche more wayghte Amonge whiche one is playnly and vtterlye reiected and refused DISC. whiche is that MAG Because orygynall synne dyd not onely brynge the deathe of body but also the tourmente and payne of soules that by the reasone of it they sholde wante the vysyon and syghte of godes face therefore they do suppose it to be conuenyente and accordynge that lykewyse as Christe by th● deathe of his bodye dyd abolyshe and take awaye bodyly payne euen soo by suffrynge in his soule he sholde take awaye the payne of the soules DIS Are we than at lybertie whether we lyste to beleue or not to beleue this particle MAG yf the vniuersall churche hath now receiued it it is not lawful for the not to beleue it Nota. It is sufficiente for the to professe that Christe dyd so descēde ad inferos as the scripture and the churche dothe thynke and meane But yet as it is a poynte of Christiane wysdome not to beleue verye lyghtlye that thynge for certayne and vndowted whiche is not expressed in the holy scriptures euen soo is it a poynte of Christian mekenes not to refuse prowdly and frowardly that thynge whiche the relygyouse contemplacyon of good and godly men hathe taughte either to the solace and comforthe or els to the erudition of them that do beleue of whiche sorte are these thynges also That the holye ghoste toke one of the moste purest droppes of bloude out of the virgine Maries herte and layde it downe into her matrice and that hereof sodeynly was made the perfighte body of a man soo smalle as is a lytle spyder whiche is but euen nowe cropen forthe from the egge But yet with all the membres fulle fynyshed and perfyghte and that in the same momente a soule was infused and putte into it beynge euen verye than forthewith as perfyghte in all powers and qualytyes as it is mowe in heuen lykewyse that they doo teache that Christ by the reason of the complexion of his humane body whiche they wyll to haue ben in hym farre moste subtyle and so therfore of moste quicke and sharpefelynge dyd suffre more greuouse and bytter paynes than ony man may possibly suffre the payne of them onely excepted whiche are perpetuallye damned in helle These thynges and suche other lyke vnto these lette them be soo herde as deuoute and holy contemplations of men concernynge Christe but not as articles of the faythe Many suche maner thynges haue certaine men ymagyned also about this particle whiche we haue shewed to be an addytyon to the Crede tellynge what persones Christe dyd brynge out from helle and whome he dyd leue there stylle and what thynges with what wordes he dyd speake to euery one of the cyrcles But this is sufficiente for vs that he was ones in fleshe borne a very man that he dyd veryly suffre passyon that he hathe veryly died and ben buryed And that he hath verylye reuyued agayne the very same soule returned agayne into the owne naturall body It folowethe He rose agayne the thyrde daye vnlesse Christe had rysen agayne all hope of immortalyte had ben quite and clene taken from vs. But he rose agayne accordynge to the scriptures for this hathe the symble redde in the masse added lykewyse as the blessed Apostle Paule sayde i. Cor● xv ☞ I haue taughte to you principallye that whiche I receiued and learned of the lorde that Christe hathe died ones for our synnes accordynge to the scriptures and that be hath ben buried and that he hathe rysen agayne the thyrde daye accordynge to the scriptures But though the resurrectiō of our lorde hath ben shawwed before by so many figures of whiche our lorde hymselfe dyd expoūde and declare one that is to witte Math. xii Ione .v. of Ionas whiche was ī the bely of a whal iii. dayes and .iii. nyghtes and though it haue ben promised by soo many oracles and prophesies of so many Prophetes and also so oftētymes shewed before of Christe hymselfe with euidente wordes Luce. xviii nothy●ge darkened with ony myste of Trope or Allegory And finally hath ben confyrmed with so many euydente testimonies of the Apostles Math. xx Mar. x. yet all this not withstandynge there haue not lacked some men whiche in very dede as it is wonte to be sayde in the prouerbe in the very bryght lyght of the sonne were blynde and could not see Cerinthus For Cerinthꝰ sayde that Christ is not yet risen agayn but that he shall in tyme to come longe herafter rise agayn Other some agayn dyd fayne that Christe hymselfe is in dede risen agayne but yet that our bodyes shall neuer reuyue nor rise agayne whome saynte Paule dothe openly confute gatherynge that it dothe necessaryly folowe i. Cor. xv Yf Christe dyd not ryse agayne that neither shal we rise agayn and yf we shall rise agayne that Christe muste nedes than haue risen agayne For lykewyse as he dyd suffre for our sakes that we sholde be delyuered by hym from eternall deathe euen so hathe he also rysen agayne for our sakes that by hym we sholde gete and obtayne eternal lyfe i. Cor. xv He rose beynge the fyrste frute of them that slepe But he that is the fyrst can not be alone neither wyll the hede leue or forsake his membres Certayne men folowyng Ualentine for theyr authoure do graunte and confesse the resurrection of the spirite and of the soule Ualentine but the resurrection of the bodyes they do denye not withstondynge that in Christe was shewed the example and paterne of our resurrection Nowe he rose agayne whole that is to saye both
sprinklyng to of filthy erroures This worde wryncle appertayneth to them whiche in dede do beleue ryghte wryncles do signify uyces and sy●nes but yet do lede a lyfe defyled with the filthe of vices and synnes Wryncles do betoken age Suche one verily is that olde man whiche we haue receiued of Adam and whome Paule doth bydde vs ☞ to do Ephe. iiii of and to laye frō vs with all the actes dedes that do belonge to hym that we myghte do on vs the newe man and being renewed in the senses of our mind we myghte folowe the steppes of Christ and walke in newnes of lyfe Roma .vi. Christe is a delicate louer Christe is a delicate and a deynty louer he can nat fynde in his harte to loue the synagoge beynge wrincled with olde ceremonies and with the loue exercise of the olde law Neyther can he suffre or abyde the churches of heretikes beyng disfigured and made foule and euylfauoured with the leprie diuerse spottes of false doctrines and erroures D. If the olde sayng be true that no man lyueth fautles and without synne where is than that spousesse which in the canticles is praysed and is sayde Cantic iiii Tota pulcra ●s amica m●a et macula uon est in t● to be all fayre and beautyfull and without all maner spotte or wemme MAGISTER It is graūted to very fewe men to lyue without the lyghter or smaller vyces or veniall synnes which by rechelesnes and ouersyght doo crepe and stele apon the nature of man But these small faughtes are rather small speckes thā greate spottes and lykewise as they do dayly spring or rise euē so be they dayly washed awaye either with prayer or with dedes of almoyse or with the recōpence a●d satisfaction of some good worke specially and principally with the receiuinge of the body of our lorde but from greate synnes or deadlye crimes they whiche haue professed Christ both owghte and also maye abstayne with the helpe and aide of the spirite of Christe DIS Do not they than whiche are defiled with great synnes or crymes appertayne belonge to holy churche MAG They do belonge and they do not belonge Howe greate Synners are of the church and how not In so muche and as farreforthe as faythe dothe remayne hole in them they do belonge to the churche neither are they kepte frō the cōmuniō and partetakynge of the sacramentes excepte it be soo that for some euidente enormite of crimes they be by the publyke and open iudgemente cut awaye from the company and felowshyp of the churhe what is the churche in his moste propre significacion But because this word Ecclesia id est Churche sayd in his moste propre signification dothe betoken the preuy or secrete society and feloweshyp of them that are predestinated to eternall lyfe of the whiche company a greate parte lyueth alredy with Christe and the other parte that remayneth alyue in this world is called for this entente and purpose that they sholde laboure and endeuoure themselffes vnto most hyghe and ꝑfyghte purite therefore is it wel sayde that the church hath no spot or wrincle How the churche hath neyther spot n● wryncle eyther by the figure synecdoche that is to witte sayinge that of the whole whiche is verified of the parte orels for cause of the marke or ende entended of whiche ende the logicions also do confesse and graunte a denominacion or name to be taken But yet otherwhiles this word or name churche is so dilated and stretched out so farre that it dothe comprehende and contayne as many as haue receiued the sacramente of baptisme whether they do lyue vertuosly or other wyse Sometyme the ministers or iudges of the church are called the churche to whome we oughte to obaye allthoughe they do openly and in syghte lyue an euyll lyfe as longe as it is so that they do nat commaunde or teache suche thynges as are contrary to goddes lawe and may nat stande with his cōmaundementes namely if there shold folowe more trouble and vnquyetnes of the takynge awaye to the commune weale of suche thynges than of the tole ratyng and suffryng of them There are also Psalme .xxv. churches or cōgregacions of wicked men whiche the spouse dothe hate But whosoeuer professeth the holy churche doth execrate and abiure all schismaticall conspiration agaynst the tranquillite of the ecclesiasticall hierarchie lykewyse all conuenticles assemblees of heretikes with whatsoeuer gloriouse title they ●o set them selues forthe to the sale for they are innumerable but the doue is but only one Cantic ii D. In the olde tyme the heretikes also had churches in suche state of thynges whan euery one of them dothe crye ☞ Christe is nat there but here is Christ Marc. xiii by what marke or token maye we discerne and knowe that only doue of Christe from other M. That which doth swarue and go awrye from the holy scriptures is none of Christes D. But heretikes do euen with the very weapons of scripture oppugne and fyghte agaynst the churche M. And no meruayle of it for they do folowe that disceiuynge spirite whiche dyd Mat. iii●● assayle and temple the lorde hymselfe also vnto wickednes with the testimonies of scripture wrested wrenched to a wronge sense but the false interpretation of scriptures is to be cōfuted and disproued and put by with the true interpretation and declaration of the same D. In dede it was no maystry for Christ to do so but it is nat lykewise so easy a thynge for vs wretched men to do the same M. It is nat a parte belongyng and fitte for euery man to fyghte or dispute with heretikes but it appertaineth only to them whiche are instructed and well appoynted with that hole armure whiche the apostle Paule dothe Ephe. vi in certayne places otherwhiles reherce recken vp but to the and to suche other as thou arte it is sufficiente to kepe and holde faste by stedfaste and sure beleffe those thynges whiche the churche hath expresly openly taughte for thynges necessary vnto saluacion D. What shall he do whiche hathe receiued baptisme and hath taken instruction of beleffe in the churche or congregation of heretikes MAG Let hym not chaūge the baptisme which he hath receiued in the name of the father and the sone and the holy ghoste but let hym purge and clense his doctrine let hym withdrawe hymselfe from vnclene cōgregations or assemblees and let hym reconcile hymselfe to the holy churche DI. But that is it whiche I desiered to knowe of you by what tokē or marke the holy church may be discerned knowne from other MAG Howe or by what tokens the true Catholike churche may be knowē from other There are many coniectures gesses by which gatherd together ī one it is easily and son perceiued and espied where the douue is The fyrst is the authorite of the olde Synodes namely approued alowed by the ꝑpetuall
hath alowed the bokes of the olde fathers to be redde The churche hath admytted and receyued theyr bokes not as canonycal scripture that is to say scripture of vndouted and sure auctorite not able to be disproued but they are receyued as the cōmentaries and workes of men beynge bothe learned and also good and vertuose neyther Euerye maner erroure maketh not an heretyke● doth euerye maner erroure make a man forthwith an heretyke and in the olde tyme those that dyd expoune and declare the scripture were pardoned and hold excused if they did doute of certayn thingꝭ of which it is not lawful to dout any longer after the sentence of the churche publyshed and openly pronounced or els if they dyd interpretate and expoune any thyng ī the scriptures otherwy●e than the authorite of the churche doth teache nowe For neyther were al the Grekes Heretykes which dyd professe that the holy ghoste dyd procede come forthe from the father alone nor no more peraduēture was Origen Origen neyther an heretyke therfore because that of desyre to serche out the trouth he dyd dispute whether the sonne and the holy ghoste had all one and the same diuyne essence with the father or els were creatures more excellent than all other creatures It was lawfull also more than CCC yeres after the incarnation of Christe to doute whether there were any clensynge fyer or fyer purgatorye whiche certayne men dyd iudge to be charite But it is a very poynt of an heretyke proudly and obstinatly to rebell and stryue agaynste the euydent veryte or trouth and whiche hath ben taughte with the publyke and commune authorite DIS The name of canonycall scripture howe many bokes dothe it comprehend and contayne The bokes of the canonical scripture MAG This thynge hathe sayncte Cipriane very playnly and brefly taught Fyrste the hole scripture is diuyded into two partes that is to wytte the olde testament and the newe The bokes of the old testament Genesis Exodus Leuiticus Numeri Deuteronomium Iosue Iudicum Ruth Regum iiii In the olde testament are accompted and rekened the fyue bokes of Moyses that is to wytte Genesis Exodus Leuiticus Numeri Deuteronomiū also the .ii. bokes of Iesu Naue of Iudges and of Ruth Besydes these the foure bokes of kynges whiche the Hebrues do make but onely two bokes furthermore the boke Paralipomenon Paralipome●●●● that is to saye of thynges ouerhipped or lefte out whiche of the Hebrues is called the boke of Dayes or tymes Than the .ii. fyrste bokes of Esdre which the bebrues do reckē both but for one for the thyrd the .iiii. boke of Esdre are accōpted amonge the Apocriphe scriptures Esdre ii Nexte after these are the .iiii. principal or greater Prophetes Esaias Iheremias Ezechiel and Daniel Esaie Iheremie Ezechiel Daniel To these is added one boke of the .xii. smaller Prophetes The .xii. smaller prophetes Iob psalmes ꝓuerbes Ecclesiastes Cāticum cāticorum Besides this one boke of Iob one boke of the psalmes .iii. bokes of Salomon that is to witte the boke of Prouerbes Ecclesiastes and Canticum canticorum within this nombre the Authorite of olde men dyd conclude the wolumes or bokes of the olde testamente beynge of trouthe wherof it was not lawfull to dout but now the boke also of Sapience Sapience is receyued into the vse of the churche whiche certayne men do iudge to be the boke of Philo a Iewe and another boke which is called Ecclesiasticus Ecclesiasticꝰ whiche men do thynke to be the boke of Iesu the son of Sirach there is receyued also the boke of Tobie and the boke of Iudith and the boke of Hester and the two bokes of the Machabeis Thobie Iudith Hester Machabeis There are receyued also the two Histories which are annexed to the boke of Daniel that is to wit the historie of Susanna and the history of Bel and the dragon whiche histories the Hebrues hadde not but saynte Iherome witnesseth that hymsel●e dyd trāslate them out of the edition of Theodotio But whether the churche hath receiued these bokꝭ with the same authorite with the whiche they haue receiued the other bokꝭ aforerehersed that knoweth the spirite of the churche Under the ●ytle and name of the newe testament the cheffe and principal place haue the .iiii. Gospelles of Mathue Marke Luke and Iohan and with these the Actes of the Apostles The bokes of the new testamente Mathue Marke Luke Iohan Actes Epistles Paule .xiiii. Peter ii Iames. i. I●de i. Iohan. iii. A●ocalipie The hebrues ●ake but .iii. kynde of scri●ture Canonica Nexte to these are the Epistles of the Apostles .xiiii. of sayn●e Paules Two of Peters One of Iames the Apostle One of Iude. Thre of Iohan. And last of all in ordre is the Apocalipse of saynte Iohan. The Hebrues do diuide all scipture into .iii. kyndes or sortes The canonicall scrip●ure they call that scripture which without ony controuersie or doute was wryten by the inspiration of the holy ghoste in whiche yf ony thynge be founde which semeth at the fyrste syghte folyshe vnmete and agaynste reason it is not lawfull to iudge that whiche is wryten but the mystery is religyously and deuoutly to be serched forthe and the dulnesse or slownesse of our wytte is to be founde faughte with all and not the scripture Hagiographa Another sort of scripture they do call hagiographam as wryten by holy men of holy thynges This maner scriptures they did so farre forth esteme and regarde that they were in dede reuerently red in the congregations or assemblees but not that the authoryte of them sholde constrayne or compell in matters earnest and of wayghte Apocripha Apocriphe scriptures they called suche as it was lawfull for euerye man to redde at home accordynge to his owne mynde and pleasure but in open or comen assemblees they sholde not be recyted or redde nor any man be strayned with the auctorite of them neyther is euery scripture forthwith canonicall whiche is red or songen in the churches and wolde god that it were amonge all men obserued and kept which was decreed in the counsell holden at Carthago that nothynge at all sholde be recited or redde in the churches sa●e onelye the canonicall scripture the interpretation and declaration wherof was done in the olde tyme of prestes and byshopes by worde of mouthe The decr●e made in the coūsel of Carthage concernynge what thinges shold be red in the churches DISCIPLE Now a dayes we are kept and put awaye frō the redynge of the holy scripture MAGISTER But this thynge was in the olde tyme a poynte of most greate and hyghest relygiō and holynes But the vndyscretnes and presumption of the reders caused and brought to passe that it was nedefull to shewe a staffe who so euer redeth the scriptures reuerently honourynge that thynge whiche he doth not vnderstonde or attayne the knowlege of How the holy scriptures are to
euer he were MAG A certayn kynge of the Lacedemonian●s whan he was asked of a certayne persone why the officers called Ephori dyd not ryse vp and geue reuerence to the kynge made aunswere and sayde euen for this cause because they are Ephori So lykewyse may I nowe make the aunswere they do affirme this after suche maner euen for this cause because they are men yf they haue redde ony thynge in they re workes whiche haue writen of late tyme that do they holde faste and cleue vnto with tothe and nayle but yf a man do alledg or brynge forthe vnto them ony thynge of the olde authoures whiche they do not rede such is the scrupulouse feare of them they do suspecte and mistruste as it is in the prouerbe that vnder euerye stone doth slepe a scorpion DIS Is not this than the symbole of the Apostles MAG yes werily for what soo euer is taughte here in this Crede the Apostles dyd learne of Christ and that which they had learned of hym they haue truely and faythefully taught to vs. A fewe wordes do not chaunge the vnchangeable veryte But these thynges now set a parte yf thow thynke it best make recourse agayn from the begynnyng to the endyng demaūd of euery thyng particularly in such wyse as the spirite shall put into thy mynde DIS you haue shewed and taughte vnto me wh● the fyrst place or begynnyng is geu●●o the father that is to witte for that he is the foūtayne or spryng of the hole godhede all creatures But why doth it call the father onely god the sonne onely lorde and the ghoste nothyng els but holy seynge that the deite of them thre is all one The cōmune vsage of the scripture in speakynge of the persones of the godhed MAG This is the coustome and vsage of the holy scripture that otherwhiles whan it doth speake of the persones it dothe sygnyfie the father by this name god as for exaumple our lorde hymselfe sayth in the Gospell yf you do beleue in god beleue also in me and saynt Paule sayth Ihān xiii God was in Christe reconcilynge the worlde to hymselfe Agayn God hathe not spared his owne sonne But of innumerable places in the scripture it is manifest and euidente that it is one and the same godhed of them all thre whan our lorde sayth in the gospell these wordes ☞ Baptizinge them in the name of the father and of the sonne and of the holye ghoste Math. 48. None of all the .iii. persones is called by this name god to thentente that we sholde vnderstonde and perceyue them all thre to be one god For onely god doth thorow fayth and baptisme forgeue synnes Other whiles also the same scriptures do signifie the sonn● by the name of god as whan we do saye that god was made man for the saluation of mankynde was borne of a virgine was deade and rose agayn from death to lyfe For neither dyd the father neither the holy ghoste take vpon them the nature of man or suffre death DI. Maye it by onye sensible argumente or token be declared and shewed howe the thre persones are sayde to be dystyncte and sondrye one from another and yet are one god MAG There is nothyng amonge creatures whiche proprelye maye be sayde to be lyke to the nature of god Neither are there ony wordes of men with whiche we maye proprelye speake of it neither are there ony images or similitudes of mānes mynde which may perfightly agree vnto the diuine essence And iniurie is don to that incomparable maieste alwayes to be had in honoure yf it be rashely and ouer boldlye cōpared with naturall worldly thynges Howe be it yet I shall shewe the a certane similitude but farre vnlyke to it The fyrste similitude of the sonne and the sonne beames and the heate caused of the sonne his b●ames Beholde and considre the sonne and the beames that come from it and than the heate that cometh forth and is caused of theym bothe As the sonne is the fountayne out of whiche cometh bothe the lyghte the heate so is the father the fountayne out of which yssueth the sonne whiche is lyghte of lyghte And as of the sonne and of the bealmes both together cometh the heate or warmnes so from the father and the sonne bothe together procedeth and comethe forthe the holy ghoste Now imagine me that there were a sonne whiche neuer hadde begynnynge neither euer shall haue endyng shold there not than of this sonne come forth eternall bealmes and sholde also there not from them bothe procede heate egally etarnall with them bothe DIS yes dowtles MAG The .ii. similitude of the mynde reasō wylle This collation similitude also pleaseth some men Mynde Reason and wyll are all in but one the same soule The mynde is the fountayne and orygynall reason that cometh of it doth iudge the wylle that procedeth and issuethe from them both● doth loue So lykewise the father is the foūtayne the sonne is logos that is to saye reason The holy ghost is charyte or loue The .iii. s●m●litude most● alowed The thyrde similitude and whiche is most alowed of learned men is of the mynde and of the worde conceiued in the mynde Now yf there were a mynd that were increated dowtles the worde of that mynd also shold be increated But that we may comprehende the holy ghoste also in this similitude lette vs imagine fyrst a mynde and secōdaryly a worde broughte forth and gendred of it and in suche wyse stryekynge the eares of other men that yet neuer the lesse it dyd remayne and abyde stylle in the herte than thyrdly the breath with out whiche the mynde dothe not vtter or pronounce the worde The father is the minde the sonne is th● worde conceyued in the mynde the holy ghoste is the pronunciation and vtteraunce The .iii. simitude The father also after a certayne maner may be lykened to the fountayne or sprynge the son̄e to the ryuer that cometh forth of the sprynge The holy ghoste to the fertilite and plenteousnes of the feldes which the spryng geueth or causeth by or thorow the ryuer There can be no perfighte simylytudes taken of ony creatures to declare the mysteries of the godhed sufficientlye But in these exaūples there are excedynge many thyngꝭ dysagreyng vnlyke to the persones in the godhede For the beame is not the same thynge that is the sonne admytted that it be a substaūce And the heate is but an accydente and not a substaunce so farre is it awaye from beynge all one with the sonne with the beames And our worde is an accidēte and a trāsitory thynge and the breath wherwith we doo vtter and pronounce the w●rde is an accidēte for that it is the mouyng of the ayere lykewise as the fertilite also of the feldes is no substaunce neither is it all one the same thynge with the fountayne the ryuer
wherfore let vs laye a parte these symylitud●s and lykenesses And that thynge whiche mānes reason can not attayne vnto nor ꝑceyue let fayth holde stedfastly beleue That thyng which holy scripture doth tea●he whiche Chryste beynge corporallye in ●arth dyd teache whiche hath ben confirmed with so many miracles whiche the spirite of Chryste doth teach by the churche that thynge I saye is to be accompted and taken for more certayne vndowted than is that thynge whiche hath ben proued by a thousand euident and playne demonstrations or whiche thou doste perceyue .vi. C. bodyly senses yf thou haddest so many DIS Is it not lawfull than to inquyere and make serche of the diuine thynges MA. To whome how farre forthe it is lawfull to enserche of godly thynges yes veryly it is lawfull namely to those whiche haue theyr wittes well exercised but it muste be done with drede it must be done sobrelye it muste be done after that they haue sette a sure fundation or grounde warke of faythe fynally as farre forthe and no farder than is graun●ed to man in this mortall ly●e in whiche we do see god by faythe But as i● were in a glasse and in a ryddle and obscure maner For els to speke of the diuin● nature euen so as it is in very dede not the very myndꝭ of aūgelꝭ are able to cōprehend it so that there is place euen there vnto fayth which doth beleue that thynge whiche passeth all reason vnderstondynge of ony creature created Therfore by good ryght the fyrst worde of this philosophie is Credo I beleue Credo DIS Two syllables MA. ye but who so euer speaketh thes● two syllabes from his very herte vnfaynedly he is blessed For no man doth beleue verylye and truly in god who onely doth verelye beleue in god but onely he whiche dothe take for certayne and vndoubted thynges what so euer thynges are writen in the bokes of the holy scrypture hopyng without ony doutfullnes or dystruste all such thyngꝭ as the sayd scriptures do promyse And whiche in this lyfe doth put hymselfe and his and all his goodes vnto the wyll of god forsakynge and renouncynge his owne wyll in all thynges Although a thousande deathes wer threttened vnto hym and thoughe all the hole power of the deuylles wolde go about to do hym myscheffe he is very sure and saffe from all daungere who so euer hath settled hym self faste on this rocke yf this faithe do wante or fayle neither doth baptisme neither ony sacramentes of the churche proufighte ony whitte or auayle nether doth any good workes helpe ony whit● to eternall saluation For Paule doth pro●ounce i● to be synne what so euer is without fayth The cōme●dation of Fayth This faythe coupleth and ioynethe vs to god the father this same dothe associate vs to Christe our hede this same faythe by the spirite of Christe doth make vs to be chosen and taken into the noumbre of the sonnes of god This same faythe dothe graffe vs into the eternall cōpany felowshyppe of Aungells and of all holy sayntes This fayth doth shyne before vs geue vs lyghte in the darknes of this lyfe sheweng what is verily to be eschewed and what to be folowed desyred This fayth doth arme vs and make vs bolde without ony feare inuincible agaynst all the engynes and all the ordinaunce of the world of the deuille This fayth doth mightely and effectuesly coumfor● vs in trybulation aduersite with the hope of the heuenly good or felicite hauyng this saying alwayes in her mouth ☞ yf god be on our syed who can be agaynst vs And that sayenge also The afflictions and tribulatiōs of this worlde are not worthy of the glorye to come which shall be shewed in vs. This fayth doth truly quiete and sette at reste the mynde of man Of this faythe after the mynde of saynte Paule dothe come and vnto it is to be wihted or imputed what so euer thynge at ony tyme hathe ben don strongely vertuosly and temperately of suche as haue ben excellente in holynesse By this fayth we do lyue well beloued of God by this faythe we doo dye cherefullye and with good truste towarde god by this faythe we are created vp vnto blessed immortalyte Agayn of the defaulte wante of fayth what euylles do springe of vnbeleffe springeth superstition sorcerie idolatry and couetousnes cosen to it Ambition Blasphemy heuynes desperation pride feare of death desyre of vengeaunce fynally what so euer vices or synnes doo raygne in the hole worlde DIS Uerily I do here many men oftentymes wyshynge to themselues prosperouse healthe longe lyfe and ryches But I do here very few men that do desyere this so excellentely a good gyfte of god MAG No meruayle thereof for verily there are but fewe that doo knowe what thynge and after what maner is to be desyred and prayed for For this gyfte of faythe it were mete and conuenyente contynually and Luce. x● without ceassyng to knocke at the eares of god that he wolde vouchesaffe to geue vs faythe and to encreace his gyfte in vs euerye daye more and more DISC. yet neuer the lesse the comune sorte and moste parte of men do calle those that are not very wyse Credulos that is to saye redye to geue credence And a certayne wyse man of the Hebrues dothe name those persones leues corde lyghte mynded whiche doo easylye and soon geue crede●ce MAG Fyrste it is no poynte neither of lyghtnes neither of credulite to geue credence to those thynges whiche thynges it hath by so manye argumentes and euydente tokens ben declared to come not from men but from god Paule sayth ☞ that he wolde not geue credence Galat. ● no not euen to an Aūgell yf he dyd teache ony thynge dissonaunt or dysagreynge from the Gospelle of Christe But rather it is a poynte of arrogance and presumptuose folyshenes to dowte of these thynges whiche haue ben taughte and geuen to vs withe soo greatte authorite and therefore saynte Paule writeth Roma i. that the folishe herte of the philosophers was blynded because the lyghte of fathe was absente yf ony man beyng vnlettred wold bable and striue agaynst suche a philosopher as was Arystot●le or Pythagoras or yf there haue ben ony other conynger thā either of thē both whan he dyd dyspute de materia prima of the principles and causes of thynges de infinito or of the largenes the mouynge and the vertue of the heuenly speres and wolde dowte of euery thyng that hymselfe could not by his one witte attayn● vnto and perceyue shold he not be called an arrogāt and madde foole But how much greatter madnes is it there fore not to geue credence to the diuine philosophie because mannes vnderstandynge can not attayne to the perceyuynge of many● thynges And there is by a thousand partes more difference betwen god and man be he neuer so greatly learned thā is betwen the wiseste
seynge that our lorde hymselfe in so many places of scripture doth make mētion of his ●oule and doth call hymselfe the sonne of man as whan he sayth Mat. xxvi ☞ My soule is heuy euen vnto the death And whā he sayth Father into thy handes I do cōmende my soule And Luce. xxiii Iohan. x. Iohan. viii Noman doth take my soule or lyfe from me but I do laye it frō me you do seche to slee me beynge a man whiche haue spoken the trouthe vnto you And seynge that Paule witnesseth the same sayinge i. Timot. ii The mediatoure betwen god men the man Christe Iesus yf they do geue credēce to the scriptures how or with what face dare they deny that thynge whiche the scriptures done so manyfestly expresse pronunce yf they do not beleue the scriptures howe may they for shame desyre to be accompted taken for Christē men yf they wolde seme to be philosophers who euer ones dreamed that that thynge myghte be called a man whiche lacketh the fourme of man whiche fourme I meane the soule whā it is presente causeth one to be a mā whā it goeth away caused that thynge whiche was before a man than to lese the name of a man Those men whiche haue so wondrefull madde opinions they stonde in daunger them selues and not vnworthyly leste they may seme not to be men Neither was the opinion whiche Apollinarius dremed muche wiser than these aforereherced whiche dothe suffre a soule to be geuen to Christe Apollinarius but so that he dothe take frō the sayd soule the mynd or vnder standynge for in quicke plantes there is a certayne lyfe for els they sholde not growe neither sholde they els be sayde to dye whan they do widder or drye vp And in brute beastes also there is a lyfe and soule for els they shold haue no fealynge or perceyuyng But mynde or reason and vnderstondynge amonge al sensyble creatures is onely to man This mynde is the princypall power of the soule by whiche it dothe dyscerne and iudge euery thynge from other by whiche it dothe ioyne or knytte together or els diuide and departe thyngꝭ in sondre and by whiche it gathereth or concludeth one thynge of another by argumētation and reasonynge But howe may they for shame professe Christe to be a man whiche do take awaye from hym that thynge by whiche man dothe cheflye and principallye dyffre from other beastes DIS Dyd than the mynde of Christe by reasonynge of thynges knowne gather and conclude suche thynges as were vnknowne to hym MA. There was nothynge vnknowne to Christe and yet as concernynge the condition and state of nature he hadde a reasonable soule For not aungelles neither do vnderstonde by reasonynge so as we do nether shall we our self fes vnderstonde in the general resurrection so as we do nowe But perfection added to nature doth not take awaye the veryte of nature For els the bodyes gloryfyed sholde be no bodies And yet is it none heresye or erroure to saye that the soule of Christe beganne to knowe certayne thynges whiche by the presence of the godhede it dyd afore perfyghtelye ●ee and perceyue I saye begane to knowe the same thynges otherwise after the maner of men not for that he knew theym not before But because the maner of his knowynge now was sondry and diuerse from the maner of his knowynge before Iohan. i. He had seen Nathanael whan he was vnder the Figge tree because he dyd knowe it more certaynly than we do those thynges whiche we do see with our iyes But afterwardes whan he saw hym with his bodyly eyes in dede he dyd not learne ony newe thyng whiche he knew not before but he sawe otherwise the same thynge that he hadde sene before Appollinarius Apollinarius addeth another madde opynyon that the worde dyd not take vnto it fleshe or body but that somewhat of the worde was tourned into fleshe mysunderstondynge the wordes of sayncte Iohan. Iohan. i. ☞ Et verbum caro factū est id est and the worde was made fleshe that is to say after his false interpretation the worde was chaunged into fleshe lykewyse as the ayer condensated and made thycke or grosse is tourned into water and as the water raryfied and made fyne and subtyle is tourned into ayer But a man is not made of a countrefayte worde tourned into an humayne bodye but man is made of a reasonable soule and a mortall body yf by the worde they do vnderstonde the sonne of god god as he is made of nothynge soo can he not be tourned into ony thynge nor ony thynge into it yf we wyll speke proprely And yf philosophers do deny that fiere maye be tourned into water which are both creatures how much more agaynste all reason is it a thynge increated to be tourned into a thynge created But you wyll saye they make the worde a creature but a more excellente creature than all aungelles But yet euen betwē an aungell and the body of man there is more dyfference than is betwen fyar and water But this erroure conceyued folyshely of the euāgelystes wordes the wordes immediately folowynge do refelle and confute Iohan. i. Et habitauit in nobis that is to say and he hathe dwelled amonge vs. For that thynge is not sayde to be conuersaunte in body whiche is transformed into body But the body is well aryghte called the dwellynge place of the soule And man is well and aryghte called the temple of god Eutyches in greke is as muche to say as happie whiche is no righte name for that vnhappy wretched heretike And nowhitte wiser is the erroneouse opinion of falsenamed Eutyches whiche dyd putte in Christe to be but onely one nature compost and made of diuine and humane nature hothe to gether yf he hadde sayde that one syngulare persone hadde ben vned of two natures and that euen one persone indiuiduale as the terme of logicions is some what he hadde ben to be herde and beleued for it is certayne and vndowted that there was in Christe two or also thre sondrye natures and distincte eche of them from other Man is composte and made of a soule and a bodye But the diuine nature because it is moste syngle it refuseth all names or wordes of composition It vned or dyd knytte it selfe into one hypostase or persone by the meanes of the soule beynge ioyned and cleuynge to the bodye but it was not confused or mengled into the same nature Nestorius whiles he dothe dylygently eschewe Nestorius this lymekylle he felle into the colekylne professynge in Christe to be two perfighte natures the nature of god and the nature of man Prouerbe but he maketh than as manye persones denyenge the worde to haue ben vned and knytte to man into one persone but onely to haue inhabited mā by grace wherfore he gathereth and concludeth that in one Christe there is one persone of man
and another person of god and that Marie is not well called the mother of god but on●ly the mother of man all be it that the anngell in Lukes Gospel dothe saye to the virgine Luce. i. ☞ For that holye thynge whiche shall be borne of the shall be called the sonne of god For the vnite of the personage causeth that by a certayne idiomatū .i. communione of proprietes of speakynge euen those thynges whiche do not agree but onely vnto the humane natu re maye also be sayde aryghte of god but onely in the voyces concrete God was borne of a virgine but not the godhed God suffred but not the godhede and Man is god but not the Nature of man is the godhed But because there is none ende of errouxes I wyll make an ende of this rehersall and I feare leste I haue allredye made the werye with rehercynge soo manye erroures DISCIPLE Uerylye I haue pitie on these heritikes Howe be it yet there madnes hathe doone me good by reason of whome it is caused that bothe I do more clerely perceyue and see the trouthe and also do more fastly beleue it MAG The heretikes are worthy no thāke herefore but god is very greatlye to be thanked whose goodnes hath tourned the malyce and wickednes of other men vnto his seruauntes in to the lucre and encreace of godlynesse DIS Why is not than the symbole or Crede made in the synode holden at Constantinople contented to saye natus ex Maria virgine id est borne of the virgine Marie but addeth et homo factus est that is to say and was made man MAGI For they which wold dispute ony thynge subtyly of Christe allthough they be holden with diuerse sondry erroures yet in this one thynge they do al agree that they do deny hym to be man in as muche as they do take from hym some thynge whiche yf we haue not none of vs sholde be called truely a very man Therefore is this expressed Et homo factus est that is to saye And he was made man that no man sholde come to baptisme beynge infected with the poyson of them For els what man is so farre without cōmune iudgemēte and reason that whan he hereth saye that the two Gracches were borne of Cornelia wyll aske the question whether the two Gracches were men DIS Whereof come it than that these men were soo meruaylously blynde MAG Ueryly because they had leuer make serche and dispute of the diuine matters than symplely to beleue thē The scripture sayth that we shal haue none vnderstondynge or perceyuynge excepte we wyll beleue But they wold perceyue and vnderstonde by the prowde philosophie of the worlde afore that they wolde beleue Lette here therfore be the ende of this cōmunication that after thou haste recorded these thynges with thy selfe in thy mynde and haste geuen thankes to the diuine spirit thou mayste retourne the more cherefull and lusty to learne the residue that is behynde The fourth in struction DISCIPLE IT foloweth ☞ He suffred vnder Ponce pilate was crucified deade buried M. Those men that geue vnto Christe an imaginarye and phantasticall body the same men do saye that all suche thynges as it is red that Christe dyd suffre in hys humane nature he dyd nat suffre them in very dede but only phantastically and apparently But we whiche taughte by god do beleue that he was a very man do also beleue that he did suffre verily and mater in dede both in mynd in body and that he was verily crucified deade and buried The deathe of a naturall man is the separation of the soule from the body whiche separation whan it is ones made all we do knowe what maner a thyng the deade body is than but the soule be cause it is īmortal though the body be decayed and fallen awaye yet hathe it styll beynge lyuynge with Christe if it departed frō the body with faythe and lokynge after the resurrection and risynge agayne of her owne body D. What difference is there betewne an aungell and a soule that is separated from the body The differēc● betwene an aungell and a soule separated frome the body M. Uerily this that a soule is in dede a mynde lykewise as aungels are but so created of nought whan it is putte into the body that it is naturally apte to geue life to gouerne and to moue nat euery maner body but that body only to whiche it is spicially appoynted and ordayned by god This di●ferēce is there betwene the deathe of Christe and the deathe of one of vs The differēce betwene Christes deathe and oures that our soule by the violence of sicknesse and disease orels thorowe defaulte and wante of humoures is driuen out from our body But our lorde willyngly layde from hym his soule and lyfe euen lykewise as he dyd wylfully com to the crosse and passion A token hereof and an euidente argumente is Math. xxvii that he gaue vp the ghoste vpon the crosse immediately after a greate and a strong crye Ye moreouer his owne selfe also saythe in the gospell of Iohan. Iohan. x. ☞ Noman taketh away my lyfe from me but I do laye it frō mine owne selfe D. But where was in the meane season the word or the seconde ꝑsone of the godhed whiche thou saydest to be so vned knytte to man that both together made one persone was it in the soule departed from the body orels was it in the deade body M. Saīt Augustine deuotely dyd beleue suppose that the godhed was neither separat frō the body neither frō the soule but was psente with thē both But it is bett not to entre into the cōbre some mase of such maner questions out of whiche it is harde to fynde ony waye to gete out Now we do teache onely rudimentes and princyples and not the moste hyghe poyntes we do caste a fundation or grounde of our warke we doo not finishe and make it full perfighte for we do instructe a nouyce newely conuerted and not a diuine and to make an ende we doo informe a ionge soldier to faythe beleffe not an olde worne chaūpion to battayle and fyghte DISC. Why do we adde these wordes passus est that is to say He suffred seyng that the sayde wordes are not ●●ded of them in the olde tyme Dothe he not suffre who so euer is crucified MAG It appereth that this particle also was added agaynste certayne men whiche dyd imagine that the worde dyd as it were swalowe vp the body that it toke vnto it selfe and transfourming it after a certayne maner into it selfe dyd make it suche a maner body that it could nat fele any payne or greffe They say that Galanus was the authoure of this opinion Galanus But the scripture on euery syde speaketh openly agaynste this Fyrste Esaie the prophete saythe Esaie liii● ☞ He hath verily taken vpon hym our sycknesses and our sorowes and greffes he hathe borne
for the redēptiō of mankynde Saynte Paule sayth playnly ☞ Christe risynge ones from deathe Rom. vi diethe no more deathe hathe power no longer ouer hym And that he diede as touchynge to synne he died but ones for euer but as touchyng to that he lyueth he lyueth to god Peter cryeth i. Petri. iii. Christe dyed ones for our synnes Thou hereste here expresselye that he died ones Thou hereste that he rose agayne and that he shal dye no more and doest thou say that he died not hymselfe but that another mā was brought in in his stede and was his vicare in suffrynge deathe lykewise as it is redde in poetes fables that in the ilonde called Aulis a whight hynde was conuayde in in the stede of Iphigenia which sholde haue ben slayn in sacryfyce And dothe another of you crucifie his soule agayne in helle And another agayne of you crucyfye whole Christe agayn in the ayer Thou hearest the prince of Apostles cryenge openly i. Petri. ii Christ suffred for vs and wylt thou o Iewe that his death dothe not proufighte or auayle onye man Lette vs nowe procede to other thynges DIS It foloweth he wente downe to helle MAG This is the article which as I sayde before Cipriane sayth not to be hade in the Romane symbole no neither yet to be added in the churches of the Easte ye and moreouer although the symbole of the synode holden at Nice or of the Synode holden at Constantinople is none other thyng than a declaration of this symbole yet is there not there neither so much as ony thīge that is correspondēt to this particle Finally the very incō●innite vnhādsome ioynīge or hangynge togeder of the speche oration is an euidente argument that it is a percell thruste in amōge the other articles by some other man These wordes The article descendit ad inferna was no percelle of the Crede at the fyrste makynge of it sepultus est id est was buried do belonge to the body which layde aslepe by death doth ryse agayn that is doth as it were waken from slepe But these wordes descēdit ad inferos .i. he went downe to helle they do referre vnto the soule which neither was buried neither dyd rise agayn but beyng departed sōdried for a tyme shortly after retourned agayn into the deade body Whether saīt Thomas of Aquine dyd adde this particle I am somewhat in doute There is a certayne suspitiō that it shold be added of some othere man at the leaste by this argument for that it is not in the mete place For whā he doth make the thyrde article of the resurrectiō he maketh the 4. article of the goynge downe to helle excepte peraduēture he meante this that Christe after that he was rysen agayne from death to lyfe went downe in body and soule to hell Another litle worke whiche goeth abrode bearynge the title of saynt Thomas vpō the symbole doth interprete and declare the contrary here of and doth vse also a cōtrary order for there the goynge down to hell goeth before the resurrectiō how be it this sayde opuscle although it be a clarkely and an holy worke yet it semeth not to be the worke of Thomas of Aquine DI. Why was not this particle added or put to why this article was lef● out ●A Because the fathers of olde tyme dyd with great relygyon and feare take hede and beware that they wold not affirme ony thynge namely in the crede whiche were not expressed in the holye scriptures of both testamentes Nowe suche maner articles are all the other onely this one excepted DI. Howe thā durste they that came after be so bolde to adde it MA. Because they semed to themselfes that they hadde gathered this euidently enough of the holy scriptures diligently boulted and examined to the which they do adde some reasones also not those verily moste stronge and inuīcible but yet not vtterly vnprobale They do aledge and brynge forth these authorites of the psalmes Psal. xxi Et in puluerem mortis deduxisti me .i. And thou hast brought me into the duste of deathe And Psal. xxix Que vtilitas in sanguine meo dū descendo in corruptionem .i. what proufighte is there in my bloude whils I do go downe into corruption And agayn Descendi in limū profundi et non est substantia Psal. lxviii And that also Domine eduxisti ab inferno anim●m meam saluasti me a des●endentibus in lacum that is to say Lorde thou haste broughte forthe my soule frō hell thou hast saued me frō the noumbre of them that go downe into the pitte Psal. xv And that also Non derelinques animā meam in inferno .i. Thou shalte nat leue my soule in hell Actes .ii Whiche testimony Peter in the Actes dothe teache to haue ben prophecied afore of Christ nat of Dauid Psal. lxxxvii so as the Iewes dyd interprete it The alledge also this texte Eruiste animam meam ex inferno inferiori .i. Thou haste delyuered my soule from the nether more hell Agayn this texte estimatus sum cum descendentibus in lacum factus sum sicut homo sine adiutorio inter mortos liber id est I was reputed amonge men goynge downe into a pytte I was made as a man without helpe among deade mē free and at lybertie Also that texte of Ose● the prophet ☞ Os●e xiii O mors ero mors tua et morsus tuus inferne that is to say O death I wyll be thy deathe and I shall be thy bytte o helle They brynge forth also of the gospell of Mathue the wordes of sayncte Iohan Baptist ☞ Arte thou he which shalte come Math. ●● or shall we wayte after another for this speche some mē do interprete of Chistes goyng downe to hell They aledge also that texte of the Epistle o● Peter Christ was mortified and killed in dede as touchynge to his fleshe i. Pet. iii. but was quickened in spirte in which spirite he went also preached to the spirites that were in prisō They alledge also of the .xxiiii. chapitoure of Ecclesiastici that whiche was spokē and sayde vnder the persone of wisdome ☞ Penetrabo inferiores partes terre et inspiciam omnes dormientes et illuminabo omnes sperantes in domino id est I shall entre into the lower partes of the earth I wyll loke vpon all them that slepe I wyl lyghten all them that hope and truste in the lorde And many other lyke places of scripture But there is none of all these authorites that may constrayne hym that lyste to ihwar●e and fynde cauyllations to beleue that the soule of Christe wente downe by it selfe personal●ye to helle or as they call it to lymbum For the scripture dothe oftentymes call deathe and the graue by ●his name inferos whiche same worde is englysshed other whiles helle as for exaumple in the .xliiii. chapitoure of Genesis
enflame our myndes from earthely cares vnto the desyre of the heuēly lyfe whereof we be assured by Christes passion deathe Therfore that god hathe for cause of our saluacion sent his owne sonne into this worlde and hathe d●lyuered hym vnto the deathe of the crosse it maketh vs certayne and out of doubte that by him we are delyuered from the kyngdome of the deuyll and from the bond of synnes And in that he rose agayne whereof by his resurrection ●here is geuen sure truste and hope to vs that we shall reuiue agayne at that daye which he hathe wylled to be vnknowne to vs euen with the same bodyes whiche we do nowe beare about wherof by his ascension And in that he hathe ascended into heuen he hathe by an euidente argument taughte that we sholde nat seche true felicite here in this world but that we shold vse this worlde as it were a thorowefare i. Cor. vii as though we dyd nat vse it that we shold translate all our cares and thoughtes vnto that heuenly and eternal lyfe wherof by that he siteth on the righte hande of the father And in that he siteth on the ryghte hande of the father it dothe engendre and cause in vs a greate securite so that we do nat feare any of all the displeasures or fearfull thynges that are in the worlde for as moche as we haue so frendly and also so myghty an aduocate in heuen But leste this so great goodnes of the lord myght prouoke vs to synne the more boldly and more largely it is added strayghte-wayes after From thense shal he con● to iudge the quicke and the deade that we shold haue vnderstonding and knowledge that suche persones oughte there to loke for a sharpe sentence of the iudge without any mercy or fauoure whiche here haue despised wolde nat regarde the goodnes of the redemer The more that hathe ben geuen to vs Luce. xii so moche the more shall be required of vs and the strayghter accompte shall we geue For he shall come than nat in the forme and maner of a seruaūte but in the maiesty of his father so as he himselfe speaketh euidently in the gospell of Mathue Math. xxv ☞ whan the son of man shall come in his maiesty and all the aungels with hym than shal he sitte vpon the seate of his maiesty and all peoples shall be gathered together afore hym There shall be made an euidente and one euerlastyng separation and disseuerynge of the godly people Math. xiii from the wycked and vngodly people whan the trāmell ne● shall be full drawne to the see banke The same thynges doth Peter preache in the .x. chapitoure of the Actes This is he which is ordained of god the iudge of the quicke and of the deade Actuum .x. He whiche here dyd suffre was cōtented to be iudged vniustly for our sakes shal there iudge the whole world and shall rendre or geue to euery man accordynge to his workes Math. xxv Ioannes .v. whether they be good or badde DIS why wolde god that the daye of iudgemēte sholde be vncertayne and vnknowne to all men ¶ why god wold the day of generall iudgemente the daye of euery mānes deathe to be vnknowē to vs. MAG Uerily for the same cause for whiche he wolde that eche one of vs sholde be moste certayne of his owne dyinge daye and yet for al that be vncerteyne of the same for there is no mā that dowteth that hym●selfe shall ones dye but no man doth yet for all that knowe certaynly whan he shall dye to thentente that we sholde euery houre be redy to departe and dye yf god shall call vs from hence DIS why is it added here the quicke the deade what is mēte in the Crede by the quycke the deade For howe can deade bodyes be iudged M. The symbole i as much as it is whole taken out of the scriptures it dothe very conueniently accordyngly countrefayte and expresse the wordes of the scripture Certayne men do interprete here by the quicke godly persones and by the deade vngodly persones but this interpretation is somwhat to farre fetched To the symbole whiche was ordayned for symple persones symple and playne thinges are mete and cōuenient The deade It is more probable by the deade to vnderstonde those that haue departed from theyr bodies afore the daye of iudgemente for as sone as they shall be reuiued risen agayne The quicke they shall be iudged and by the quycke those whome that daye shall fynde lyuyng in body whiche persones certayne men do beleue that in the very takyng vp and passage into the ayer they shall dye and forthwith lyue agayne Other some agayne do thynke that they shall nat dye Two opinions concernyng them whiche shall be lyuyng at the daye of dome but yet that they shall be chaunged to immortalite Neyther of these .ii. sentences or opinions doth the auctorite of the churche reiecte or disalowe albeit yet that opinion whiche thynketh that they whiche shall than be founde lyuynge in body shall nat dye but shall be translated to immortalyte is more agreyng to the wordes of sayncte Paule in the .xv. chapiter of the fyrste epistle to the Corinthianes and in the .iiii. chapiter of the fyrst epistle to the Thessalonianes But deuoute fayth doth nat loue cōtencion DI. what nede any iudgement to be made than A notable qu●stion seyng that the soules forthwith after that they are departed from the body are iudged alredy so that eyther if they haue departed fromhence beyng pure and clene they do go to the heuenly lyfe orels if they do departe in bondage of sine they are drawne strayghte to helle Orels if they be defiled with any smalle spottes they are borne into the clensynge fyere of purgatory what so euer or what maner one so euer that fyere of purgatory be MA. Aunswere There were certayne men whiche taught that neyther the wicked spirites neyther the wicked soules shall be geuen to eternall ponishementes and paynes afore that laste daye of the world It is an heresy cōdemned by the churche that no soule shall neyther be in heuen nor hell afore the day of do●e neyther that the soules of good and godly men shall enioye the heuenly lyfe afore the sayd day But the opinion of these men the auctorite of the churche hathe reiected and disalowed But this thyng is prouably beleued that to the wicked spirites after that generall iudgement the tourmētes and paynes shall be augmented and encreased and that wicked men shall than fully suffre paynes in soule body bothe together lykewyse as also the felicite of good men shal than be full and ꝑfighte whā they shal haue receiued theyr body than beynge glorified that the same body whiche they haue had a minister of good workes and a partener of affliccions the same they maye haue also a felowe
Iohan. xi am resurrection and lyfe And Paule lykewyse seldome dothe vse this worde any where but in the good parte And our lorde maketh a distinction and difference of resurrections in the .v. chapitour of Ihon̄ sayng And those which haue done good workes shall come forth vnto the resurrection of lyfe Iohon̄ v. And those that haue done euyll workes vnto the resurrection of iudgement for iudgemente here he calleth condemnation This thynge is more expresly sayd and spoken in the symbole of Athanasius At whose comynge all men must ryse agayne with theyr owne bodyes and shall rendre and gyue accompt or reckenynge of theyr owne dedes And those which haue wrought well shall go into eternall lyfe those that haue wrought euyll shall go into eternall fyer So also sayth Paule in the .vi. chapitour to the Romanes Roma vi The wage or hiere of synne is deathe but eternall lyfe is the benifyte and gyfte of god by Christe Iesu our lorde He added here eternall or euer lastyng because that lykewyse as vnto those that are damned there shall be no hope of release so on the other parte agayne the godly persones shall haue no maner feare lest theyr felicitye and ioye myght be at any tyme eyther ended or els minyshed the pleasauntnes and ioyfulnes wherof shall greatly be augmented and encreased by that communion and felowshyp of all holy men For charite whiche neuer falleth awaye i. Cor. ●iii shall there be moste feruente and hote Nowe charite is no lesse gladde of other mennes welthe and weldoynge than of her owne Neyther is there any cause why we do nede here to ymagine pleasures of the body which do stand ī meate drynk or the fleshely company of man womā for there shal be than none vse or profyte of these thynges but the bodyes shal be spirituall in which we shall lyue as the aungelles of god done Mat. xxii Now the felicite of aungels is to see the face of the father whiche is in heuen And our lorde sayth the same in the gospel of Ihon̄ Io. xvii This is the euerlastynge lyfe that they maye knowe the alone whiche are the very god and Iesu Christ whome thou hast sent That knowlege begynneth here by faythe And there it shal be fynyshed and made full perfyte whan we shall behold see the glorie of hym his face beyng clerely shewed discouered DIS Are these thynges sufficyente to the purchasyng obtaynyng of saluation MAG For the obtaynyng gettyng of baptyme these thynges are sufficient to a lay man for to beleue but also that are learned somewhat growne in age ●ught to beleue all thynges that are expressed in the holy scriptures or whiche are of the sayd scriptures euidently gathered or concluded besydes this what so euer thyng the catholyk church hath with vniuersall and contynuall consent approued and allowed which churche if it haue ordayned or decreed any thing after such fasshyon it was probable and very lykely that eyther it was begonne of the Apostles and so hath contynued as it were gyuen by hande from the elders to the yōgers orels it was brought forth to vs out of the preuye and secrete storehouse of the scriptures or els it hath ben shewed and put in theyr myndes by the inspiration of the holy ghoste accordingly as the state of tymes dyd requyre And as touchynge to contentiouse and darke doctrine or opinions in all suche thynges it shall be sufficient for the and suche as thou arte to professe with this ware and wyse circumspection Concernynge these thynges I beleue as the churche beleuyth This is a more sure waye and more farre from all daunger than boldly to affirme that thyng wher of thou arte in doute or which thou doest not perceyue or vnderstonde DIS But in ●xtreme ieoperdye whether it is A notable question sufficient to kepe and holde faste the belefe in harte and mynde or els are we bound also to professe with our mouth MAG Aunswere To this poynte sayncte Paule shall make aunswere to the for me ☞ With the harte saythe he we beleue vnto ryghtuosnes Roma x. and with the mouth confession is made vnto helthe and saluation And our lorde hymselfe threteneth in the gospell Math. x. Mar. viii that he wyll not be acknowne of hym for his soldyer afore his father who so euer shall haue ben afrayde or ashamed to professe hym afore men But it is one thynge not to prof●sse and another thynge to denye where there is no hope of frute or good to be done and yet the ieoperdye is very greate it is not necessary or requisite that thou sholdeste vtter or bewray thyselfe in such wyse as we do rede that certayne men haue vnprouoked and vncalled euen of theyr owne accorde runne forth into the market that they myght be slayne and put to deathe with other Christen men or ●ls that they haue raged agaynste the solemne festiuytes of Paganes not for the entente that they wolde brynge any man to Christe but to th ende that after they were slayne of them they myght be accompted and reckened amonge martyres Christ dyd lycence or graunt to his apostles no maner violent defence of thēselues agaynst wycked men but he onely gaue thē leue to flee Actes xii Actes ix Peter fledde out of prison Paule fledde out of Damaske beyng let downe by a baskette of the walles But so often tymes as the thyng shall come to suche an exigente or pynche that the name of our lorde Iesu is to be glorified both amonge good men and badde men the christen and the hethen than ought we all the entycementes or pleasures eke the feares and displeasures of the world vtterlye despysed set at nought cherefully and boldly to professe that whiche the chyrche hath taughte Elcesaite The doctrine and opinion of the Elcesaites is refused and condemned whiche taught that in the tyme of persecutiō men myght lawfully denye Christ with wordes so that they kept styll the syncerite of the faythe in theyr harte and mynde which saying if it were true thā dyd Peter the Apostle in vayne wepe so many teares for that he bey●ge troubled with feare of dethe had denyed his lord and mayster thries Math. x●vi whan he had not yet so muche spirituall knowledge of hym as the lyghte of the gospell hath opened vnto vs. Tertullia●● Tertulliā agayn to much leanyng and inclynyng to the contrary parte doth not so much as graunt leaue to flee in persecution saying that than to flee is a kynd of denyinge Christe And his sayinge in certayne circumstancies maye be true but doutlesse they doo lesse offende whiche stricken with worldly feare doo denye Christ onely with theyr mouthes than do they whiche for temporall profytes sake do forsake theyr captayne Christe whose sworne soldyers they became in baptyme both with harte and also with tonge DIS Whan tourmentes are thretened more greuouse and paynfull