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A85045 A discourse of the visible church. In a large debate of this famous question, viz. whether the visible church may be considered to be truely a church of Christ without respect to saving grace? Affirm. Whereunto is added a brief discussion of these three questions. viz. 1. What doth constitute visible church-membership. 2. What doth distinguish it, or render it visible. 3. What doth destroy it, or render it null? Together with a large application of the whole, by way of inference to our churches, sacraments, and censures. Also an appendix touching confirmation, occasioned by the Reverend Mr. Hanmore his pious and learned exercitation of confirmation. By Francis Fulwood minister of the gospel at West-Alvington in Devon. Fullwood, Francis, d. 1693. 1658 (1658) Wing F2500; Thomason E947_3; ESTC R207619 279,090 362

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have_v declare_v it_o void_a what_o can_v cast_v he_o out_o but_o excommunication_n whether_o all_o excommunication_n do_v utter_o root_v up_o covenant_n interest_n what_o can_v merit_v so_o great_a a_o penalty_n but_o know_v and_o prove_v scandal_n and_o last_o whether_o all_o or_o any_o ignorance_n at_o ripeness_n of_o age_n or_o unaptnesse_n in_o youth_n to_o learn_v the_o catechism_n be_v tolerable_o to_o be_v account_v according_a to_o scripture_n or_o the_o judgement_n or_o practice_n of_o any_o one_o church_n of_o christ_n a_o scandal_n or_o such_o a_o scandal_n as_o may_v be_v censure_v and_o punish_v with_o utter_a extirpation_n out_o of_o the_o church_n chap._n xx._n objection_n from_o scripture_n consider_v before_o i_o pass_v to_o the_o humane_a authority_n i_o hold_v myself_o bind_v to_o answer_v such_o objection_n against_o my_o scripture-argument_n as_o be_v offer_v thence_o though_o i_o humble_o profess_v i_o can_v hardly_o find_v or_o think_v of_o any_o that_o have_v 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wrong_a if_o she_o judge_v such_o as_o be_v not_o scandalous_a she_o err_v because_o such_o deserve_v it_o not_o if_o she_o judge_v such_o as_o be_v scandalous_a she_o err_v also_o because_o hereby_o she_o judge_v they_o to_o be_v within_o who_o have_v no_o evidence_n under_o their_o notorious_a scandal_n of_o their_o be_v within_o but_o indeed_o strong_a evidence_n to_o the_o contrary_a if_o she_o judge_v such_o as_o be_v not_o scandalous_a she_o real_o wrong_v the_o party_n if_o she_o judge_v those_o that_o be_v scandalous_a she_o visible_o wrong_v a_o high_a judge_n who_o have_v please_v to_o reserve_v to_o his_o own_o prerogative_n to_o judge_v they_o that_o be_v without_o 2._o this_o doctrine_n involve_v our_o interest_n in_o and_o dispensation_n of_o the_o sacrament_n also_o in_o inextricable_a difficulty_n and_o doubt_n first_o the_o sacrament_n of_o baptism_n be_v thus_o involve_v child_n have_v their_o right_n unto_o it_o either_o in_o themselves_o or_o in_o their_o parent_n 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know_v to_o be_v a_o disciple_n to_o belong_v to_o christ_n to_o be_v a_o church-member_n to_o be_v bear_v to_o god_n etc._n etc._n all_o which_o be_v not_o so_o much_o obscure_v by_o anabaptism_n as_o clear_v by_o scripture_n 4._o or_o at_o least_o the_o child_n be_v baptize_v in_o its_o infancy_n upon_o charitable_a hope_n if_o afterward_o by_o a_o wicked_a and_o lewd_a conversation_n it_o appear_v to_o the_o church_n to_o have_v have_v no_o save_a grace_n at_o the_o time_n of_o its_o baptism_n it_o clear_o follow_v that_o upon_o the_o discovery_n of_o it_o after_o conversion_n it_o ought_v to_o be_v rebaptise_v for_o if_o none_o but_o such_o as_o be_v save_o convert_v enter_v into_o covenant_n than_o none_o but_o such_o as_o be_v save_o convert_v aught_o to_o be_v seal_v in_o covenant_n and_o a_o seal_n set_v without_o a_o covenant_n be_v of_o no_o effect_n and_o every_o one_o that_o enter_v covenant_n aught_o to_o have_v the_o seal_n of_o initiation_n affix_v to_o it_o 5._o nay_o 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profaneness_n or_o if_o the_o parent_n never_o have_v any_o evidence_n at_o all_o of_o save_a grace_n so_o far_o as_o man_n may_v charitable_o judge_v which_o be_v all_o the_o rule_n the_o case_n and_o the_o present_a opinion_n will_v admit_v the_o child_n baptism_n be_v forthwith_o incumbent_a then_o three_o what_o remain_v but_o that_o such_o child_n when_o at_o year_n of_o discretion_n must_v give_v their_o own_o consent_n in_o person_n and_o be_v rebaptise_v or_o else_o depend_v in_o a_o heathenish_a state_n of_o wait_v for_o their_o parent_n return_v to_o be_v rebaptise_v with_o they_o but_o four_o i_o can_v see_v how_o any_o one_o that_o stand_v baptize_v upon_o his_o parent_n account_n can_v ever_o be_v full_o persuade_v that_o he_o be_v true_o baptize_v because_o he_o can_v be_v certain_a of_o his_o parent_n election_n or_o save_a vocation_n so_o that_o the_o whole_a generation_n of_o christian_n who_o stand_v in_o their_o baptism_n by_o their_o foederal_a bolinesse_n be_v 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supper_n will_v appear_v from_o the_o follow_a passage_n which_o he_o transcribe_v also_o out_o of_o dionysius_n areopagita_n albaspinaeus_n and_o the_o apology_n of_o the_o waldenses_n pag._n 21_o 22._o 4._o though_o i_o must_v confess_v i_o think_v the_o ancient_n sometime_o at_o least_o if_o not_o ordinary_o mean_v something_o more_o viz._n a_o perfection_n of_o grace_n as_o well_o as_o church-priviledge_n by_o that_o perfection_n which_o be_v usual_o attribute_v by_o they_o to_o confirmation_n for_o say_v cyprian_n p._n 20._o cite_v by_o our_o author_n such_o as_o be_v baptize_v in_o the_o church_n be_v offer_v to_o the_o overseer_n of_o the_o church_n that_o by_o our_o prayer_n and_o imposition_n of_o hand_n they_o may_v receive_v the_o holy_a ghost_n and_o be_v consummate_a through_o the_o gift_n thereof_o by_o the_o lord_n seal_v tum_fw-la demum_fw-la say_v he_o in_o another_o place_n plenè_fw-la sanctificari_fw-la that_o be_v the_o grace_n and_o esse_fw-la silij_fw-la dei_fw-la that_o be_v the_o privilege_n possunt_fw-la si_fw-la sacramento_n utroque_fw-la nascantur_fw-la and_o yet_o more_o full_o to_o our_o purpose_n it_o be_v also_o necessary_a say_v he_o for_o he_o that_o be_v baptize_v to_o be_v anoint_v that_o the_o chrism_n be_v receive_v he_o may_v be_v the_o annoit_v of_o god_n i._n e._n perfect_o a_o christian_n as_o it_o be_v gloss_a and_o have_v in_o he_o the_o grace_n of_o christ_n yet_o here_o again_o we_o may_v distinguish_v and_o with_o ease_n and_o pass_v over_o perfection_n of_o the_o member_n and_o of_o the_o membership_n any_o objection_n hence_o to_o be_v raise_v for_o there_o be_v a_o perfection_n of_o the_o member_n and_o a_o perfection_n of_o the_o membership_n i_o grant_v confirmation_n may_v serve_v to_o perfect_v the_o member_n but_o deny_v it_o any_o hand_n in_o perfect_v the_o membership_n viz._n the_o person_n relation_n to_o or_o interest_n in_o the_o church_n which_o i_o believe_v the_o ancient_n never_o intend_v a_o plaster_n 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