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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A85049	A true relation of a dispute between Francis Fullwood minister of West-Alrington in the county of Devon, and one Thomas Salt-House, as 'tis said, of the county of Westmerland: before the congregation of them, called, Quakers; with some others that accidentally heard thereof: in the house of Henry Pollexsen, Esq; in the said parish of West-Alrington. On Tuesday the 24th day of October 1656. / Published by some that were present at the dispute; out of a single and sincere desire, that error may be shames, and the truth cleared. Together with an answer to James Godfries queries, by the said F.F.	Fullwood, Francis, d. 1693.	1656 (1656)	Wing F2520; Thomason E892_12; ESTC R206561	22,146	38

but a Brother of his put him in mind of the beginning of Heb. 8. this is the summe which he read crying out this is the summe without replying any thing in particular to what had been said One of the Company I confess I am not satisfied with what you have said about Tythes me thinks it is the worst money I lay out all the year Full. It may be so but what have you to say against it You are I think a Neighbour The same I live within the jurisdiction of Malborough Full. Pray come to me another time and I will labour the best I can in a private way to give you satisfaction onely remember what I said I claim not Tythes by a Divine but by a humane Law that is the Law of the Land Some of the Company We grant you have a right unto them by the Law of the Land and so farre we grant Tythes to be lawfull Another But 't is not Tythes but the tenth of the spoyl that Abraham paid Qua. I thou must go look for thy Tythes of the Souldiers Full. 'T is called Tythes expresly paid Tythes in Abraham vers 9. Mr John Tripe 'T is plain they are called Tythes there Another But 't is not commanded he freely gave it Full. The Text saith he paid Tythes and if it be granted me that Tythes are lawfull to be paid in the time of the Gospel I desire no more Quak. The Quaker was silent here a while But at length brake out as he used to do thou hast acknowledged thy self a Hireling and that he takes Tythes and therefore he is a false Prophet Full. Sir you dare not look the Scripture in the face go about to prove what you say from Scripture if you dare I have proved that to take Tythes is not unlawfull either by the Law of God or man And again I solemnly profess that if my lawfull Maintenance were utterly taken away yet I hope I should preach as long as I have a tongue in my head Qua. But thou abidest not in the Doctrine of Christ Full. Shew me wherein I fail I challenge you to shew me wherein or say nothing I have hitherto justified my self Another Wilt thou justifie thy self Full. I mean so far as you charged me I have justified my self The same But thou saidst thou hadst justified thy self Full. Alas let any in the Company shew me wherein I do amiss and I shall give him hearty thanks but if you charge me falsly must not I justifie that is clear my self Quak. He taketh Hire he acknowledgeth himself a Hireling c. Full. Why do you not go about to prove what you say Qua. The Prophets prophesie falsly and the Priests bear rule by their meanes by their great means and riches and the people love to have it so Full. You see good people what a learned Teacher you have the Priests bear rule by their means that is saith he their great means and riches when the weakest here I hope knows that by their means is by their occasion Mrs Pol. Here was silence for a while Then Mrs P. came in and said to Mr Fullwood what canst thou say for singing of Psalms and sprinkling of Infants Quak. Yea what doest say to these things Full. This question about Singing of Psalms minds me of a passage in your discourse which I challenge you to make good you said that the Psalms were turned into English meeter by Fidlers That Thomas Sternhold and John Hopkins were Fidlers Sir I believe you are not worthy to wipe off the dust from their Tombes prove them to be Fidlers you have no revelation from Heaven to slander the dead Qua. Why were they not the Kings Fidlers Full. Prove that they were Quak. Doth not History say so of them Full. What History Quak. I will not tell now Full. You will not Quak. Prove thy sprinkling of Infants Full. This is but to delude the people you know you deny all Baptism with water and that you are as much against the Anabaptists as against us Quak. However it 's required of thee that thou prove the sprinkling Infants Full. I never saw an Infant onely sprinkled Quak. Whether it be dipping or not prove the baptizing them Full. Though it be very unreasonable yet I will follow you I shall prove the baptizing of Infants from foure heads Command Example Scripture-grounds and the Analogy of Baptism to Circumcision 1 From the Command Mat. 28. I reason thus We are commanded to Baptize all Nations but Infants are a great part of all Nations therefore we are commanded to baptize Infants unless you can shew some other place of Scripture to limit it to grown persons limit not the holy One of Israel One of the Company Children are uncapable of Baptism Full. That which you suppose to make them incapable doth not therefore they are not uncapable The same What 's that Full. Faith you say is required in Baptism and that renders Infants uncapable thereof but though faith be required this doth not render Infants uncapable of Baptisme for Children were capable of Circumcision and yet Circumcision was a Signe and a Seal of the righteousness of Faith The same Circumcision was a Signe but no Seal Quak. Circumcision was no Seal Full. I think you are not sure of it wee 'l turn to the Text Rom. 4. 11. And he received the Sign of Circumcision a Seal of the righteousness of Faith Qua. It saith not Circumcision was a Seal Full. No pray le ts read the Text again He received the Signe of Circumcision a Seal c. Doth it not plainly say that Circumcision which was a Signe was a Seal also Who denieth it Another But doth Baptisme come in the room of Circumcision Full. Yes as is evident Col. 2. 11 12. Ye are circumcized with the circumcision of Christ buried with him in Baptisme Baptisme you see is here called the Circumcision of Christ or the Christian Circumcision evidently intimating that Baptisme is come in the same place and use with Christians which Circumcision had among the Jews The same The putting away the filth of the flesh answered to Circumcision Full. True Circumcision in the flesh answered to two things 1. The Circumcision of the heart This was also before Christ came 2. The Circumcision of Christ which is Baptisme of the flesh as well as the heart as appeares in this Text. Mr Tripe Pray why do your people while you read the Psalms sit with their hats on and when they sing the same Psalms with their hats off Full. I conceive I say I conceive because I would speak the truth one reason hereof is because while we read the Psalms they suppose we are speaking to them and when we all sing together they suppose we are all speaking more immediately to God Mr Tripe But how can you require the people to sing when as the Psalms do not agree with their conditions but they sing lies to God Full. Do they not sing the Scriptures

to their own destruction 2 Pet. 3. 16. The Counter-Queries arising from this 8th Query 1. Whether you have heard that any ever said That Christ and his Apostles did not speak as they meant If not then what do you mean in speaking thus perversly Or whether ever any said that they left their words for Learned men to give another interpretation thereof If not Why do you so wickedly question and mis-interpret the labours of Learned men 2. What do you mean by Learned-men Or what have you to say against true Learning that comes not from ignorance or malice The Quakers 9th Question Whether he be a Minister of Christ that is out of Christs Doctrine Yea or nay The plain Answer He that is wholly out of Christs Doctrine is not a Minister of Christ but he may be a Minister of Christ Gal. 2. 11. 12 that is partly out of Christs Doctrine as Peter was The Counter-Queries arising from this 9th Query 1. Whether Christs making satisfation for the sin of man is not the great fundamentall Doctrine of Christ both in the Law and Gospel 2. Whether he that denieth this satisfaction of Christ is not fundamentally out of Christs Doctrine 3. Whether those that hold that Christ came into the world but either to abolish the Ceremonies or but to be an example of an holy life doth not deny this satisfaction of Christ 4. Then whether he be a Minister of Christ that affirmeth that Christ came into the world for no other end but to abolish the Ceremonies a As the Quaker to Mr Timpson did or to be an example of an holy life b As Fox insinuates The Quakers 10th Question Whether is he in the Doctrine of Christ that stands in the chiefest place of the Assemblies Yea or nay The plain Answer Some may be in the Doctrine of Christ that stand in the chiefest place of the Assemblies as well as they in the Doctrine of God that sate in Moses Chair The Counter-Queries arising from this 10th Query 1. What do you mean by being in Christs Doctrine Whether by holding it or by obeying it 2. May not he that stands in the chiefest place in the Assemblies both maintain and obey the Doctrine of Christ and consequently be a Minister of Christ 3. Whether may not he be a Minister of Christ that walks not in all respects according to the Doctrine of Christ as well as he a Minister of Moses or rather of God that sate in Moses Chair and spake the Word of God though he said and did not 4. Whether do you call the Pulpit the chiefest place If so Whether because it is the highest place If so Whether he that stands upon a forme or in a window above the rest of the people stand not in the chiefest place in the Assembly And whether such a one can be a Minister of Christ Or no The Quakers 11th Query Whether is he a Minister of Christ that sprinkles Infants yea or nay and cals it an Ordinance of Christ when there is no such Scripture The plain Answer The Baptizing of Infants is according to Scripture wherein Circumcision a Seal belonging to Infants born in the Church is taken away and no other Seal is brought in the room thereof for Infants now born in the Church but Baptisme The Scripture tels us plainly that Baptisme is the Christian Circumcision or the Circumcision of Christ Col. 2. 11 12. With the Circumcision of Christ being buried with him in Baptisme The right of Infants to the first Seal was never abolished though the Seal indeed was changed Circumcision Jewish into Circumcision Christian viz. Baptisme Circumcision being a Sign and Seal of the righteousness of Rom. 4 11. Faith and Baptisme being no more and Infants being capable of Circumcision they are also as capable of Baptisme Childrens state in the Covenant was never repealed their interest in the Promise is still continued Christs love to Infants and desire of Communion with them is abundantly testified in the New Testament Therefore the Seal of the Covenant and Promise the pledg of Christs favour and the onely mean of their Communion with him viz. Baptisme is not to be denied them The Scripture certifieth that Baptisme is an Ordinance of Christ therein Christ commands it to all Nations therein Christ never limited it to grown persons or denied it to Infants and they having a right before to that Ordinance whose room Baptisme supplies they need no new Commission to take possession of that which is brought in the room of that which before they had an undoubted right unto The Counter-Queries arising from this 11th Query 1. Whether such as despise the regeneration of water can Joh. 5. 5. enter into the Kingdom of God 2. Whether those are Christians that refuse water-Water-Baptisme 3. Whether he be a Minister of Christ that denieth water-Water-Baptisme 4. Whether water-Water-Baptisme be an Ordinance of Christ 5. Whether the application of it to Infants doth make it no Ordinance of Christ 6. Whether there were none Baptized with water mentioned in Scripture after Christs ascension 7. Whether that be not the trick of a deceiver to cry out against sprinkling Infants when as he alloweth no water-water-Baptism at all The Quakers Subscription Without thy meaning and private interpretations answer these queries by plain Scripture or let thy mouth be stop'd for ever The Question hereupon is Whether by his own Law and reason the mouth of this James Godfrey should not have been stopp'd before he made these doting Questions seeing they are not to be found in any plain Scripture without his meanings and private interpretations Post-script containing an addition of the Quakers 12 and 13 Queries viz. 12. Where is that light that John spake of the one he loved it and brought his deeds to the light the other hated the light and will not bring his deeds to the light because his deeds are evil 13. Whether is that light a blind fansie that manifests sin and evil deeds or whether is not he a deluder and a blasphemer that calls it a blind fansie The plain Answer 1. The light which John spake of is in the Gospel and the Gospel-Ministry which you hate 2. That light which manifests sin is not a blind fansie But he that saith that every light which manifests sin is a saving light or that that light which is in every man is sufficient to discover and lead men to Christ is under the darkness of his own fansie having so far left the true light the word of God James Godfrey Speak forth the words of truth and soberness Lean not unto thine own understanding Be not wise above what is written Be not wise in thine own conceit rightly applying that of 1 Cor. 8. 2. the Apostle He that thinketh he knoweth any thing knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know F. F. FINIS