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A48462 Truth prevailing against the fiercest opposition, or, An answer to Mr. Iohn Goodwins Water-dipping no firm footing for church communion wherein the invalidity of his twenty three considerations against withdrawing from those societies that want baptisme by the bodies burial in water is manifested, and the separation from such societies justified by the word of God : together with the discovery of his great mistakes in the exposition of eight chief Scriptures, wherewith he fighteth to overthrow Mr. Allens answer to his forty queries about church communion / by Thomas Lambe. Lamb, Thomas, d. 1686. 1655 (1655) Wing L213; ESTC R25710 97,252 149

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feel the like obligation to Christ by it Then for the form it being by burying the body in water and raising it out again thereof there is a most exact representation between sign and thing signified which Christ intended in this sign as appeareth by the Scriptures though not in all signes which heavenly projects of the Lord Jesus Col. 2.12 Rom. 6.4 in the Ordinance are totally frustrate in childrens sprinkling 7. I find the Scriptures in all expressnese of letter are in many places for Beleivers Baptisme whereas there is not one such Text for Childrens nor any instance of the Baptisme of so much as one Child in all the new Testament though the firmament of the Scriptures are filled with the stars of Beleivers Baptisme so that many learned men have acknowledged Infant-baptisme is not in Gods Word and those who go about to found it on Scripture build all on consequences ifs may bees and why nots which Argument Mr. Goodwin hath often used to confirm the doctrine of general Redemption and to draw the contrary opinion under the suspition of error 8. I found the unregenerate world naturally falling in with Childrens baptisme which is a shroad sign it is a device of her own The world loveth her own John 15.19 And on the contrary hating Beleivers Baptisme with an inveterate hate as she doth every Ordinance of Christ administred in the naked plainness and simplicity of it 9. Infant-Baptisme disagreeth to the spiritual state of the Church under the new Testament because Baptisme being the initiating Ordinance into the Church it letteth in a sort of members which the new Testament knoweth not namely such as cannot worship God in Spirit whereas the Scripture saith John 4 23. That God now seeketh SUCH meaning onely such because he maketh the Churches growth unto an holy Temple to be by the meanes of the building its being fitly framed together Ephes 2.21 and again he maketh the encrease of the body unto its edification and its growth up into the head to be partly at least by the meanes of the WHOLE body its being FITLY joyn'd together and compact and mark according to the effectuall working in the measure of EVERY part whereas Infants are altogether uncapable of such effectual working or of any fit conjunction with Beleivers And though children might be Church members under the old Testament when also wicked persons might if Abrahams carnal seed not so under the New it is plain from the Scripture that Christ will have the matter thereof be the spiritual seed of Abraham manifested by repentance and faith Math. 3.9 Therefore 1 Corinth 1.1 giveth the matter of the Church by due constitution to be called Saints and commandeth that if any prove themselves otherwise by disorderly walking to withdraw from them 2 Thes 3.6 14. 10. I find the sharpest adversaries this way hath even in their writings on purpose to disgrace it and to magnifie the contrary namely Infant-baptisme God maketh them to let fall such expressions as justifie it and condemn their own As for instance Mr. Rich. Baxster speaking of the full and proper ends why God instituted the Ordinance of Baptisme he saith they are rather to be fetcht from the Aged than Infants and that because MARK The Aged 1. They are the most FVLLY CAPABLE SVBJECTS 2. THE MOST EXCELLENT SVBJECTS 3. THE MOST EMINENT SVBJECTS 4. OF WHOM SCRIPTVRE FVLLY SPEAKETH 5. THE GREATER PART OF THE WORLD WHEN BAPTISME WAS INSTITVTED who were to be partakers of it But on the contrary as for Infant-baptisme he acknowledgeth in the same place P. 301. Of plain Scripture Proof that the Scripture speaketh darkly of it yea that it is SO dark in the Scripture that the controversie is thereby become not onely hard but SO hard c. as he saith he findeth it Now if this learned and holy man hath not in a few words said more for our way than in his whole book against it and that upon pure principles of reason and Religion let the world judge for if Infants baptisme be dark in the Scripture and so dark as he complaineth 1. How doth this agree with the Title of the Book and the superscription of every page Plain Scripture proof for Infants c. Doth not plain Scripture proof and dark Scripture proof directly oppose And however Mr. Baxster thinketh he seeth such a thing though it lie darkly he knoweth many learned quick-sighted men that profess they cannot see it there at all no more than we But if the case be indeed thus as it is by Mr. Baxsters own confession that of Infants Baptisme the Scripture speaketh darkly but of Beleivers or the Aged that the Scripture fully speaketh and besides that they are the most capable eminent and excellent Subjects with what conscience either of duty to God or comfort to the soul can any Christian man cleave to Infant-baptisme and despise Beleivers If Infant-baptisme be a dark way and so hard to find is he a wise man that chuseth that way when he may walk in the light Doth any honest man in his right mind chuse untroden paths when the beaten rode lieth just before him and doth not Christ say he that walketh in the dark stumbleth John 11.10 or doth it become the people of God to be so indifferent in matters of Religion as not to care whether they walk in the light or in the dark or can any man think to please God by chusing a dark way hard to find when a lightsome path beaten by the feet of Christ and the Saints looketh him full in the face Or where is that man in all the world that will give as much for land that the title too is dark as for that which is clear and unquestionable Doth not every one say of Titles not clear I le not meddle Hath not Mr. Baxster said to Mr. Bedford it is good going the surer side of the hedge p. 303. of Plain Scripture proof and is not Beleivers Baptisme the surer by his own confession Or doth it become men to be more solicitous about their temporal estates than their spiritual Or can leaving the light and walking in the dark be thought the way to the Saints everlasting rest 11. It agreeth not to the wisdom and goodness of Christ that Baptisme should be so dark in the Scripture as Mr. Baxster saith it is not to his wisdom because it is appointed for babes and because he expecteth obedience who that expecteth obedience will leave their Lawes hard to find Not to his goodness because he hath put the Disciples under a sore penalty in case of disobedience to whatsoever he hath commanded Now the way of Baptisme after faith is clear and manifest as Mr. Baxster acknowledgeth most like therefore to be the Statute of Christ for his Babes to submit too and not that which is dark Besides would it not be a good excuse at Judgement for the neglect of any Law of Christs if men could say the Command
do without the joynt concurrence both of God and the Creature So also in the new Testament Acts 26.17 18. Delivering thee from the people and from the Gentiles unto whom now I send thee to open their eyes and turn them from darkness to light and from the power of Satan unto God Is not here much more put into Pauls Commission than he was able without God to do or will any body say that Paul acted short of his Commission or falsified his trust if he did not actually open all the eyes of the Gentiles and turn them from the power of Satan to God But Sir to convince you that there is more included in the Commission than was in the Apostles power to effect supposing the word Teach should signifie onely what you apprehend namely the speaking such things which are proper to make Disciples Consider this They are charged to baptise all they taught and was that in their power could they baptise any more than were willing to be baptised or should they have been judged falsifiers of their trust or acting short of their Commission for not baptising all those that should take horses and ride away from them when they had heard the Word It appeareth therefore undeniably that the very principle whereupon you found the absurdity is not good and consequently no force in your argument but this being all you have levied against my Brother Allens Argument built upon the Text and being found weak his conclusion lifteth up its head and that is that it is disorderly for persons to hold Church-Communion before Baptisme because Baptisme by Christs order was the next thing to be done after discipling and that immediately Secondly A second Argument to prove it a disorderly Practise for the Disciples to hold Church Communion before Baptisme is this If the Scripture maketh Baptisme the gate or entrance into the visible Church or Body of Christ Then is it a most disorderly practise for persons to sit down in Church-society without it But the Scripture maketh Baptism the gate or entrance into the visible Church or Body of Christ Mr. Goodwin den●eth now in effect that Baptisme is the Ordinance of entrance into the visible Body of Christ yea he is so far from thinking so P. 61 Of his Water dipping that he thinketh the injunction of it is but after the manner of the free-will offerings under the Law so that men may either obey or not obey without sin yea P 48 Water dipping that a Church may be of as sound and worthy a constitution without Baptisme as with it Now before I make particular answer to Mr. Goodwins Exception to the interpretation of the Scripture alledged to prove it I desire to make one observation which I would commend to the serious consideration of the Reader which is this That notwithstanding the vast variety of differences in the judgement of Professors about other matters of Christian Religion both learned and unlearned in so much that setting aside some few famous fundamentals it is a hard matter to find two men universally agreeing Yet for this opinion that Baptisme is the Sacrament of entrance into the visible Church of Christ all the Professors of Christian Religion hath met in it as one man as far as I ever yet heard or read of whether Papal Prelatical Presbiterial or Independant or Anabaptist except some few persons lately the most whereof are given to Seekerisme And is not that opinion justly to be suspected for an error that crosseth the judgement of almost all the world reputed Christian as well those that are under no temptation by worldly respects to baulk the naked truth as those that are This Argument I confess amounteth not to a demonstration but it justly provoketh an eye of jealousie over that opinion that singleth a man out from all his brethren of like pretious faith and rendreth him like the Widdow Paul speaketh of desolate I shall now proceed to establish this truth by shewing the invalidity of your great exception to the interpretation of the 1 Corinth 12.13 which Text my Brother Allen insisteth on to prove it the words these By one Spirit we are all baptised into one Body my Brother Allen understandeth with Mr. Baxster and the generally reputed Orthodox the word baptised properly of water Baptisme P. 342. Of plain Scripture Mr. Goodwin will needs understand it just now of Spirit Baptisme but why P. 68 72. Of his water dip because the Text saith By one Spirit we are baptised and as for water it is not mentioned To which I answer 1. The not mentioning of water is no Argument that the Text is not to be understood of water Baptisme because the word water is not mentioned in the Commission it self for baptising which yet notwithstanding is plainly enough interpreted by the Apostles to be meant of water Baptisme because of their practising it by vertue of their Commission So also in the 1 Corinth 1.13 14 15. the word water is not set down but no body in their right wits will understand the words otherwise Were you baptised in the Nume of Paul I thank God I baptised none of you But you say the Text speaketh of another Element P. 342. Of Insânts Ch●rch-Membership namely the Spirit 'T is true it doth mention the Spirit as a concurrent cause saith learned Baxsten but the Text speaketh of reall Baptisme 2. How frequently are effects attributed to the Spirit in Scripture in this sence Is not Baptisme the Doctrine of the Spirit as well as other duties Acts 1.2 Acts 2.38 Act. 8.29.38 Act. 1.48 and that which the Spirit exciteth to amongst other acts of obedience did not the Spirit send Phillip to the Eunuch as well to baptise him with water as preach to him and did not the Spirit inspire Peter to command Cornelius to be baptised and is not the proper office of the Spirit to excite men to and guide men in the performance of all dutie why then may not reall Baptisme with water being an act of obedience be attributed to the Spirit 1 Pet. 1.22 as well as any other acts of obedience whatsoever 3. To understand these words By the Spirit as a working cause and Baptisme as the effect agreeth to the context from the first verse to the 12. At the first verse No man can say that Jesus is the Lord but by the holy Ghost and is not that by the agency and working of the Spirit upon the heart perswading it to think so honourably of Christ as to call him Lord. The Spirits work is to raise the esteem of Christ in the soul The soules calling him Lord is the effect of that work In the like sense I humbly apprehend all the gifts spoken of to the 12. verse are attributed to the Spirit namely as so many effects of his operation as the cause producing them Which having treated on at large he cometh in the 13. verse to tell them that by the
same Spirit which enriched them with those gifts mentioned they became enabled to stoop to the yoak of Chtist and put him on by Baptisme by which both Jews and Gentiles receiving the Gospel became incorporated into the mystical body of Christ and so though many members yet became now but one body As with persons in civil Corporations who of many individuals become one body by solemnizing the rite of entrance without which no man is counted a Member But now not to understand the words By one Spirit and Baptised the one as the cause the other as the effect would be to sense these words By the Spirit differently from the sense of the same words divers times in the preceding verses and enforce a metaphorical use of the word Baptised without any necessity But fourthly to make it clear that by Baptisme here he meaneth it not of the baptisme of the Spirit it appeareth by that which is attributed to it namely the entring of all persons into the mystical body of Christ he saith it is ●NTO ONE BODY and we are ALL baptised into one body So that it is the meanes sanctified by God for all the members entrance into that body It cannot therefore be meant of the baptisme of the Spirit because then working of miracles and speaking with tongues and prophesying extraordinary which the Scripture meaneth onely by the baptisme of the Spirit should be the initiating Ordinance into the body of Christ for all Church members which I suppose every one will say is absurd to imagine I have onely to prove for the making good this Argument that when the Scripture speaketh of the Baptisme of the Spirit it would alwayes be understood of working miracles speaking with tongues and the like and not of common and ordinary gifts as faith and love c. It appeareth thus 1. In that the holy Spirit never giveth to faith or love or any common gifts of the Spirit the name of baptisme for men to do so is unscripturall 2. Because Christs speaking to his Apostles who had a good degree of faith and love yet he did not deem them for the present baptised with the holy Spirit but onely telleth them Acts 1.4 5. they should be so baptised and adviseth them to wait at Jerusalem for it whereupon they were baptised with it accordingly upon the day of Pentecost Acts 2.3 4. And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire and it sate And they began to speak with other tongues c. Now in the 11. Acts 16. Peter calleth Cornelius his speaking with tongues the baptisme of the holy Ghost which Christ promised Then remembred I the word of the Lord meaning when he heard them speak with tongues Acts 10 46 John indeed baptised with water but ye shall be baptised with the holy Ghost So that the meaning of John the Baptist Math. 3.11 and Christ Acts 1.4 where they speak of the baptisme of the Spirit must needs be of such a being filled with the Spirit and pouring forth of the Spirit as whereby persons do speak with tongues and the like because the Scriptures so interpreteth it and to judge otherwise were to be wise not onely above but against that which is written But thirdly and lastly to put it out of doubt you shall find the Scriptures putting abroad difference between that enjoyment of the Spirit which the Scripture calleth the Baptisme of the Spirit and that by which persons come to abound with faith love joy peace c. as to the wayes of attaining the one and the other To attain ordinary fillings of the Spirit in respect of these common fruits we are exhorted to the use of meanes to get them and blamed if we have them not Eph. 5 18. Luke 24.25 So that the largeness of the possession of them dependeth ordinarily upon the Creatures industry and in that way attained and according to mens industry or sloath they ordinarily have more or less of the Spirit But as for the Baptisme of the Spirit it is immediately conferr'd by way of extraordinary gift Consult the Scriptures where the Baptisme of the Spirit is mentioned and you shall find it so The first place is the 2 of Acts 2 3 4. verse ●nd suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind and it filled all the house where they were sitting And there APPEARED unto them cloven tongues like as of fire and it sat upon each of them And they were all filled with the holy Ghost and began to speak with tongues as the Spirit gave them utterance Now the Apostle Peter ●●lleth ●his ●he 〈◊〉 of the Spirit Acts 11.15 16. and also expresseth their attaining it by the falling of the boly Ghost upon them As I ●eg●●●o speak the holy Ghost FELL on them as on us at the beginning So also in the 8. of Acts 16. Who when they were come down prayed for them that they night receive the holy Ghost meaning principally the holy Ghost in that way which they had not before for they had the holy Ghost to enable them to beleive as appeareth at the 12. verse but they had not the Baptisme of the Spirit which now Peter and John came to be instruments in by prayer for them with laying on of hands though not exclusive of a further presence of the Spirit in a common way But now how doth the Spirit express this kind of attaining the Spirit Mark at the 16. verse For as yet he was FALLEN upon none of them onely they were baptised in the Name of the Lord Jesus So in the 19. of Acts 6. And when Paul had laid his hands on them the holy Ghost CAME upon them and they spake with tongues and prophesied Doth the Sun shine clearer at noon-day than this truth that the common fruits of the Spirit are one thing and the baptisme of the Spirit another namely the gifts of speaking with tongues extraordinary prophesying and working miracles and if that be granted and who can with reason deny it It followeth then unavoidably that the 1 Corinth 12.13 speaketh not of the Baptisme of the Spirit because then speaking with tongues and working miracles should be the Ordinance of entrance into the visible Church of Christ for ALL Church-members for it is plain whatever is meant by Baptism in that Text that is the use of it we are all baptised INTO ONE BODY Fifthly and lastly to prove that by the word baptised in the 1 Cor. 12.13 is meant reall baptsme and not the baptism of the Spirit The scope and drift of the Apostle in mentioning it saith a good say to it Which is to make an argument of it 1 Cor. 1● from 1● 10 25. to perswade to Christian love care and tenderness one of another as one may easily see that will consult the place Now for proper reall Baptisme we find the Apostle make use of that often to the same purpose Once before in the beginning of this Epistle
God the injunction from heaven is very particular and express See that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed thee in the Mount Heb. 8.5 And Ezek. 43 10. Thou Son of Man shew the house to the house of Israel that they may be ashamed of their iniquity and let them measure the pattern viz. to build say you mark with ALL POSSIBLE EXACTNESSE according to it Now whether the Disciples sitting down in Church bodies before Baptisme be not directly contrary to the pattern and consequently a disorderly practise let the world judge 1. By the Scriptures where we have Christ commanding baptisme presently upon discipling Math. 18.19 which we see the Apostles practised with much faithfulness in the whole story of the Acts to which we have spoken already 2. Where we find the erection of the first famous Gospel Church the manner is thus reported Acts 2.41 1. They gladly received the Word 2. Were baptised And 3. They continued in the Apostles doctrine and fellowship and breaking bread and prayer but first you see they were baptised behold then the pattern in the Mount and must not he be next to willingly ignorant that doth not see this that is so plainly written that he that runneth may read it Why then if all other patterns be but seducers and that our duty is to build with all possible exactness according to the first pattern have you not justified our separation from you for resusing to build according to this pattern 2. Let the judgement of the learned Mr. Baxster Saints rest p 179 from Doctor Preston touching the primitive practise be taken This food we call the Eucharist saith Justin Martyr one of the most ancient Fathers from the practise of the primitive Church to which ●o man is admitted but onely he that beleiveth the truth of our doctrine being washed in the laver of Regeneration for remission of sin● which washing he expresseth thus Then meaning after faith and prayer they are brought to the Water and are BORN AGAIN OR BAPTISED in the same way as we our selves were born again for they are washed with water In the Name of the Father Son and Spirit But that which is home to my point is that no Disciple touched the Eucharist as he calleth it till first baptised indeed after Baptisme then he sitteth down with the body in full communion but not before 3. As we have the Scriptures of our side and the judgement of the learned on our side that this was the Primitive practise so we had you your self on our side at this point when you writ your letter to Mr. Tho. Goodwin p 7. Covenanting is not lawful before Baptisme is is evident because it is not lawfull for a Church to receive the unbaptised into fellowship with them as Members of that body neither is there example or APPEARANCE of warrant in Scripture for such a thing And at that time you were as confident as Confidence it self could make you Pag. 1. of what you then wrote as you there affirm or if you were not of other things yet of this because you say and that according to truth That there is neither example nor appearance of warrant in Scripture for such a thing Yea in that letter p. 5. Evident it is that those that were added to the Church were baptised before this is affirmed of them So that upon Principles of your own which is that we ought to build with all possible exactness according to the pattern you are condemned 1. By the Scriptures 2. By the learned 3. Out of your own mouth all which speak Baptisme to goe before Church-fellowship and consequently to walk otherwise a disorderly practise answer who can And the truth is if we are not to follow the customes of the Primitive Churches in worship in every thing that we can follow them in with this limitation Positive giving way to Morral which they did under the Law how are they a pattern to us how shall we understand where to follow them and wherein to leave them Upon the whole matter then I conclude that though by faith men become the Sons of God and that Christ owneth all true Beleivers for brethren yet they have not thereby a present immediate right to full communion with the Church simply upon that account because the same God that ordained faith the meanes of adoption hath ordained Baptisme to goe before visible membership into the Church of Christ much more before a constant sitting down in full Church Communion they then that walk otherwise cast off the Rule and so reproach the wisdom of Christ complain of the Rule as imperfect and become Judges of the Law Your fourth Consideration being of one heart and soul with the third I shall have the lesse to say to it it is for substance this THat persons that have fellowship and Communion with God are thereby immediately fittted for communion with the Church without Baptisme otherwise it is not against us This Proposition Mr. Goodwin supposeth proved by the 14. Rom. 1 2 3. Him that is weak in the faith receive you Again let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not the reason why he must be received and not despised is For God hath accepted him But how Mr. Goodwin or any man else can make this follow from thence that therefore all persons that have fellowship with God have a present right to Church communion without Baptisme I understand not For 1. The weak in faith that this Text speaketh of were baptised persons which appeareth by the sixth chapter where he useth their Baptisme as an argument to mortification and a new life That the words in the third verse So many of us is not partitive of the Disciples amongst themselves which Brother Allen hath proved unanswerably from the scope to which Mr. Goodwin hath made no reply and to the further clearing whereof I shall speak something in due place 2. Mr. Goodwin supposeth that the object of receiving is into Church communion when the Text saith Him that is weak in the faith receive you which I humbly apprehend is an ungrounded conjecture because the Apostle writeth to an establish'd Church whereof those weak ones were a part which by vertue of their membership were already in full communion with the Church Besides is it a reasonable thing to imagine that such a thought would enter into the heart of the Church to cast brethren out of fellowship with the Church of Christ that was regularly immembred because they were more self denying than others by eating hearbs which they did unto the Lord Rom. 14.6 Surely the Church wanted no exhortation to that so that this caution therefore serveth some other design as I humbly apprehend namely the common respect of Christians which strong ones can hardly vouchsafe to the weak for as the weak are apt to judge the strong so the strong to slight and despise the weak which is the words of the Text Rom. 14.3 Let
Word of God but the CHURCH HER TAKING TO HER SELF THE LIBERTY meaning to vary from the Apostolick practise which was by plunging the body into the water and this he acknowledgeth from Acts 8.38 Phillip and the Eunuch going down into the water and coming up out of it Com. upon the Acts p. 208. and did not Calvin understand the original And doth he not further plainly say this practise was taken up since the beginning for of old the rite was to put all the body into the water Or what if so be that the words translated INTO and OUT OF may from the Originall be rendred UNTO and FROM doth it follow that they must needs be so rendred in this place or was they ever so translated by any one since the new Testament was put into English and indeed how can it be with any reason thought they should be so since it is plain they were come unto the water before this is affirmed of them that they went down into it by v. 36. which saith they came unto a certain water and the Eunuch said lo here is water But 2. Suppose the words should be so translated here would that force us to beleive they went but to the water side and not into the water and that they came but from the water side and not UP out of the Element of water besides the cry of the Scriptures lately mentioned and the judgements of learned men upon them which Mr. Baxster well knoweth surely every body that goeth into the water goeth unto it first Mr. Baxster alloweth the custome of the Primitive times are patterns to us with the limitation formerly spoken of p. 135. of his plain Scripture proof arguing against the necessity of dipping saith 1. It is not yet proved by any that dipping was the Primitive practise which is strange since he himself giveth us the judgement of Justin Martyr as orthodox who relating their way of baptising from the Primitive times p. 129. of Saints Rest saith That they are brought to the water and are BORN again or baptised doth not that imply their dipping how else is there the least resemblance between an ordinary birth and their baptisme and is not an Analogy therein aimed at but I referre the Reader to what hath been said to this point already but I cannot but much wonder that Mr. Baxster should say that the Jaylour was baptised in his house doth the Scripture say so read Acts 16.33 And he took them the same hour of the night and washed their stripes and was baptised he and all his strait way but where he was baptised is not set down But the next words rather give us that it was not in the house because presently after the mention of his baptisme the Text saith He brought them into the house so that though this Text speaketh clearly onely to his being baptised presently upon beleiving not to the place where or the manner how yet it giveth more ground to beleive it was done out of doors than in the house But what need we grope in the dark doth not the light shine bright from other Scriptures why should we think the Jaylors baptisme to differ from all other mens But Mr. Baxster objecteth further that the River Enon where the Text saith was MUCH water which also is given for the reason why John baptised there Travellers say is a small brook that a man may almost step over Whatever Travellers say I hope Mr. Baxster that hath written so much to prove the Scriptures truth will beleive the plain Word of God namely that there was much water there then when John baptised there whatever there may be when the Traveller was there There might be much water there when John baptised there as doubtless there was or the Scripture would not say so and yet little enough when the Traveller pass'd that way that Mr Baxster speaketh of Doth not the Scriptures say Psalm 107.33 34. He turneth Rivers into a wilderness and the water springs into dry ground for the wickedness of them that dwell therein Nay doth he not threaten the Jewes Psalm 42.15 That he would dry up their pooles and promise when he restoreth them that he will make their thirsty lands springs Isaiah 35 7. Their present driness then is no argument that there was not much water in Johns dayes But honest Reader is not this an ugly suggestion infinitely disparaging the Scriptures Is the report of Travellers any thing to us against the express Word of God and doth not Mr. Baxster urge the report of Travellers as considerable to the contrary of what is written in the Word I offer not this as any Argument that Mr. Baxster hath not a due esteem of the Scripture No no I pray God strengthen my faith in them and make it equall to his he is a person that my soul honoureth for his edge God-ward but to shew the Reader what cause he hath to suspect that cause that putteth such learned men as Mr. Goodwin and Mr. Baxster is upon such strange adventures to make it good In the mean time thou canst not lightly but see that we have the plain words of Scripture on our side that their mouth is open and their heart enlarged to justifie our practise but they will neither be courted nor forced to speak against us But Mr. Baxster further objecteth against the necessity of dipping thus P. 135. of plain Scripture The thing signified is set forth by the phrase of washing or sprinkling and the sign need not exceed the thing signified I confess the sign need not exceed the thing signified but it is farre from the truth that sprinkling or any washing that is not by dipping can be any sign of all the holy thing signified in baptisme which is plainly set down in the 6. Roman 4 and Colos 2.12 Being buried with him in Baptisme wherein also you are risen with him If the Baptisme of the New Testament sealed in Christs hears bloud be the sign of Death Buriall and Resurrection then is not sprinkling or any washing that is not by dipping sufficient to signifie it but the Baptisme of the New Testament is a sign of Death Buriall and Resurrection 't is plain in the Text Mr. Baxster acknowledgeth both these Scriptures to be meant of water Baptisme p. 342. Of his Scripture proof As for those Scriptures namely 1 Corrinth 6.11 Titus 3.5 with some others P. 135. Of Scripture proof which Mr. Baxster instanceth in as hinting the spiritual good things signified by Baptisme I acknowledge they respect a part of the good things signified by baptisme namely the soules cleansing from sin by Christs bloud but not all nor indeed half what he intended to signifie by Baptisme But what should the reason be that Mr. Baxsters design being to enumerate the Scriptures speaking of the holy thing signified in baptisme should leave out the two grand capital Scriptures to the point namely Colos 2.12 Roman 6.34 Is it not
because his opinion cannot look them in the face without blushing there being no sign of Death Buriall or Resurrection or any such like thing in sprinkling Oh that Mr. Baxster would lay to heart this one consideration and consider once again the high and holy design of Christ in Baptisme which considered evinceth against all contradiction that the form can be no other but by dipping or burying the body in water his design what is it but to make the Gospel word and the Gospel figure to answer one another as face answereth face in the water and to be brother Preachers of the same doctrine 1 Cor. 15 3 Rom. 4.25 Compared with Rom. 6.2 3 4. Col. 2.12 Col. 3.1 namely the death of Christ for sinners and the sinners duly to die to sin and to suffer for and with Christ Christs resurrection for the sinners justification the sinners duly to rise to Christs life here because of the blessed assurance of a glorious resu●rection to eternal blisse with Christ hereafter all which holy doctrine which is the substance of the Gospel is preached in baptisme P. 177. Cases of Conscience as well as the Word which maketh Mr. Perkins say thus The preaching of the Word and the administration of the Sacraments are all one in substance for in the one the will of God is SEEN and in the other HEARD Now where is the will of God touching Christs Death Buriall and Resurrection and our death buriall and resurrection with him seen in the sprinkling of childrens faces Oh that we had an impartiall Judge The Apostle affirmeth of the Gospel 2 Cori●●h 3.18 That we all with open face behold as in a glasse the glory of the Lord. And doth not the Apostle chiefly intend the Sacraments of the Gospel by the metaphor of a glass because they respect the eye as a glass doth whereas the Word preached respecteth the care And if we do but consider why Christ would have the Gospel preached namely to affect the hearts and soules of men with the goodness thereof It will easily appear that the form of baptisme can be no other but by dipping because in any other way the sign will no way answer the thing signified and so the glass being defaced the heart is not affected by the eye for want of a resemblance whereas otherwise the Ordinances being administred according to the last will of Christ where there is a full correspondence between sign and thing signified they goe hand in hand with the Word excellently aiding and assisting the holy design of the Word preached when administred upon the right Gospel subject namely a converted Disciple to Christ which Mr. Baxster p. 301. of plain Scripture proof calleth the most fully capab●e subjects the most eminent subjects the most excellent subiects and of whom the Scripture fully speaketh In the same place complaineth of Infant baptisme as dark in Scripture and hard to find notwithstanding his flourish of plain Scripture proof for it Be astonisht therefore oh ye heavens and horribly afraid oh earth that such a silly Worm as Man is such a thimble full of dust should dare to change Christs Ordinances and deface that glasse which representeth Christs glory and blurre the last will of him before whose judgement seat they must all appear to be judged 2 Cor. 5.10 and receive according to all the deeds done in the body Are ye stronger than he Your sixth Consideration being the very self same in substance with the first I referre the Reader to my Answer to that in which thou shalt find the Answer to this also onely there is a remarkable passage in the beginning of it which I shall have occasion to speak to when I come to answer the 18th Consideration Your seventh Consideration for substance this THat in the 6. of Hebr. 2. the word Baptismes which is there reckoned amongst the foundations or beginning doctrines of Christ being in the plurall number it is not easie to determine whether by it be not meant variety of formes in baptising or a variety of subjects of Baptisme rather than a variety of Baptismes To which I answer why should that be hard to you or any man else which the Scripture hath made easie As for variety of subjects the Scripture is silent we read of no subjects but discipled persons made so by teaching For variety of formes of baptising Disciples where is there any such thing so much as whispered But as for variety of Baptismes that the Scripture speaketh fully too though but one proper reall Baptisme namely that with water Math. 3.11 Luke 12 5● which is the Ordinance of the Church the other namely that of the Spirit and afflictions being metaphorical and by way of Analogy to that which is reall and proper is called Baptisme yet Dr. Lus●ington upon the place saith that the Siriac Translation rendreth the word Baptisme in the singular number but be it otherwise why should we take hedge and ditch when the Kings high-way lieth just before us Your eighth Consideration for substance this THat with-drawing upon this accompt is a schismatical practise and a sin of a high nature I confess with all my heart that Scripture Schisme is a sin of a high nature and of deep demerit and that for the reason you give but that ours is that which the Scripture condemneth I utterly deny Where ever Schisme is there is separation but it doth not follow where ever separation is that there is Schisme 2 Corinth 6.17 Come out from amongst them and be ye separate saith the Lord God and I will be a Father unto you No body will say this separation of the Text is sinfull Schisme Sinful separation cannot be but from a body regularly united according to the direction of Christ and the example of the Primitive Churches because we have a positive Command to with-draw from every brother that walketh disorderly in the Church 2 Thes 3.6 much more every Society that is not built upon the principles of the doctrine of Christ I mean those which by Christs order concern orderly joyning but yours is such a one and therefore separation can be no schisme which onely respecteth Churches of a regular constitution such as the Church of Corinth was and the rest of the Churches mentioned in Scripture Sir when you can shew us a rule from Christ to gather Churches without Baptisme in all the new Testament then what you say corcerning us will come home to us and we shall be found guilty of that hainous sin But Sir if no such rule appear from Christ nor any such Church appear in all the Word of God then will not our separation from you be found that which the Scripture calleth Schisme but a conscientious with-drawing to perfect the work of reformation according to our solemn vow to the most High which yet would have been our duty whether we had vowed it or no. But 2. Why should our separating from you be counted Schisme more
not at all to its inconvenience And whereas you say that Baptisme was ordained for Disciples of the first peep out of the shell and greatest weakness in the faith and from thence argue that surely Christ intended it not to be so offensive to the flesh and the rather because the other Sacrament which yet is ordained for the strong is of a more welcome import To this I answer 1. 'T is true Baptisme was ordained for young Disciples but that this is any Argument why it should not be greivous to the flesh I understand not I am sure it is not scriptural Christ saith to those that are young Disciples Luke 9.23 and he said to them ALL If any man will be my Disciple let him deny himself take up his crosse daily and follow me and to those that were looking towards Christianiy Christ putteth the worst to them and therefore would have them sit down and cast up the cost In the 8. of Math. 20. To the Scribe that said Master I will follow thee whithersoever thou goest Jesus saith to him the foxes have holes the birds of the air have nests but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head But 2. Why you should say the other Ordinance is provided for the strong as if it were so appropriately to them and exclusive of the weak or otherwise where lieth any strength in the Argument this is not onely unscripturall but anti-scriptural Acts 2. They all both weak and strong all that gladly received the word and were baptised continued in the Apostles doctrine and fellowship and breaking bread and prayer and indeed more for the weak sake than the strong who had less need and so I appeal to the conscience of the judicious Reader what weight there is in all this Argument against us and whether these be not carnal complaints against the hardness of Christs yoak and the fruit of such workings of heart as was found in Peter Math. 16.22 Your fourteenth Consideration for substance this THat for persons to mistake in the matter of Baptisme so as to judge they have no need to be baptised after beleiving because they judge themselves sufficiently baptised in infancy is a mistake of a veniall nature because almost all the judicious learned and grave all the zealous faithful and best conscienced Christians and Servants of God throughout the world Fathers Martyrs Reformers and others for sixteen Generations together even from the dayes of the Apostles until now have been so mistaken To which I answer 1. The Apostles did foresee in their time that there would be an apostasie from the primitive practise in the worship of God as well as the primitive faith for doctrine the mystery of iniquity beginning to work very early which was the reason of those items to hold fast the Ordinances 2 Thes 2 14. and Col. 2 6. and to beware of Philosophers that would carry them from the simplicity of the Gospel Accordingly it did fall out many departures there were even in the Apostles dayes 1 John 2.19 and more foretold amongst which this of Infant-sprinkling is one wherein there hath been a palpable deviation from the rule which yet notwithstanding many worthy men suffered supposing the Church to have power to make alterations in matter of Ordinances Com. upon Acts 8. Calvin himself acknowledgeth that the liberty of sprinkling whereas the antient custome was dipping the Church took to her self And Mr. Bedford as Mr. Baxster reporteth p. 301. of plain Scripture proof flieth to tradition for proof of Infant-Baptisme One Doctor Eck against the new Church Orders in the upper Marquesdome and Territories of Noremburge writeth That the Ordinances concerning the Baptisme of Children is without Scripture and is found to be onely a custome of the Church with a cloud of other witnesses yea even Luther himself the great Reformer in his book of Anabaptisme acknowledgeth That it cannot be proved by sacred Scripture that Childrens Baptisme was instituted by Christ or begun by the first Christians after the Apostles for many yeares since it came to be in use in the Church saith he and was established by Pope Innocentius And yet for all that he allowed of it so that though he was a godly man and a great Reformer yet allowed of alterations in worship upon that ground which Mr. Baxster abhorreth to doe now Mr. Baxster thinketh he hath plain Scripture proof for Infants baptisme or he would not own the practise because he looketh upon the Scriptures as a perfect rule as well he may and all deviations from them in worship in ordinary cases but so many complaints against the perfection of Scripture 2. If the judgements of the learned and godly be of so much consideration as that it may justly stop proceeding in the work of Reformation why did it not curbe you from that frightfull tearing your self off from the Nationall Church which had been in reputation with the godly many hundred yeares and that in the face of the Sun and that when such things were comparatively rare to the scandal and great offence of your brethren of the Ministry wherein as I remember you were pretty early in leading the way of separation from the womb that bear you and the paps that gave you suck or doe you think one of fourty of those antiently godly and holy men would have liked it and yet for conscience sake you did it notwithstanding 3. This Argument becommeth not you of all men living because it is no new thing with you to leave the road nay at this day and in this book that I am now answering you plead stifly for some things which rendereth you more alone than we in the point of denying Infant-baptisme namely in denying though not in plain words at length yet in effect that Baptisme is the Ordinance of entrance into the visible Church of Christ and that a Church may be of as found a constitution without it as with it and ordained upon the termes of the free-will Offering under the Law Water dipping p. 48.61 wherein I beleive you have no fellow except some Seekers and some few persons leaning that way others that have gone before have stumbled at the same stone and fell and never rise more which ought to be like pillars of salt in the eye of all good men to take heed of slighting and undervaluing any of the Ordinances of Jesus Christ least because they receive not the truth in the love of it I say in the love of it God deliver them up to a reprobate mind and send them strong delusions that they may beleive a lie But I hope better things of you though I thus speak and 't is my earnest prayer to God for you upon the bended knee of my soul to shew you the evill of these arguings that you may repent in dust and ashes before you goe hence and be no more seen Your fifteenth Consideration followeth THat Baptisme how duly soever administred is no Church-maker
and that it doth not commend us to God or Men more than other Ordinances To which I answer Mr. Goodwin hath put his Considerations into many parts so that they go for twenty three as if he had abundance of reason on his side in this matter wherein he argueth against us whereas many of them run into one and for substance are the same so that a particular answer to every one must needs cause abundance of repetition and going over and over the same thing That Baptisme of it self is a Church-maker I am as farre from thinking so as you are no men must repent from dead works and beleive towards God or else no fit matter for the Church though baptised but that there can be any orderly joyn'd Church without Baptisme though men doe repent and beleive is that I argue against and have given a large account in my Answer to your third Consideration and twelfth and as for the other part of it that it doth not commend us to God nor men more than other duties in my Answer to your eleventh Consideration you have a full answer to this plea also Your sixteenth Consideration for substance this THat you have no need of Baptisme after Repentance and Faith which you call new Baptisme because your old sprinkling in infancy is as effectual to all ends and purposes of Baptisme which you reduce to three heads 1. For declaring persons the professed Disciples of Christ. 2. For obliging persons to be the loyall Disciples of Christ in which they covenant so to be 3. For matter of edification and comfort to the inner man To which I answer by denying utterly that Infant-sprinkling is as effectual to all or any of the ends and purposes of Baptisme as the true baptisme of persons after faith and repentance neither is there any weight in your Argument to that purpose 1. You say it declareth you with more advantage than ours to be the professed Disciples of Christ to the world And that 1. Because yours the world knoweth ours is a kind of Barbarian to the world 2. The generality of men doe not look upon it as any thing more significative of owning the Name and Faith of Jesus Christ To both which Arguments I answer 1. To that plea that the world is better acquainted with your way than ours 'T is most true that yours being from the world the world must needs know and love it better than ours because it is her own and ours being from heaven to which the Spirit of the world is a stranger no marvell if it be a barbarian to them but whether the worlds natural liking and greedy falling in with yours be not an Argument of its carnal earthly original and on the contrary its disliking ours be not on the contrary a probable though not demonstrative Argument of the heavenly pedegree of it let the Scriptures judge John 15.19 The world loveth her own because ye are not of the world therefore the world hateth you Of this onely by the by But how cometh Mr. Goodwin to conclude from the dear acquaintaince the world hath with Infant-sprinkling above what it hath with Beleivers baptisme that therefore Infant-sprinkling is more efficacious to declare persons the professed followers of Jesus Christ then Baptisme after faith since in the baptisme of Infants there is no profession made at all by which the world should take any cognizance of the parties belonging to Christ neither is the poor creature capable of making any 'T is true the Bishops being ashamed of Baptisme without profession of faith devised a remedy by allowing Sureties who they called God-fathers and God-mothers which being a piece of superstition too gross for the light of this day it is gone off the stage without much regret Whereas in the true Baptisme of the New Testament sealed in Christs heart bloud the party himself and not another for him being a beleiver made a disciple by Teaching maketh publick profession of his faith in Christ as you see the Eunuch did Acts 8 in his own person and declareth his willingness to accept of Christ on his own terms and to be listed in his army Gal. 3.27 and voluntarily putteth on Christ thereby which is the Sctipture expression as a servant putteth on his Masters Livery Who then that is not bespoke but will judge that Baptisme into Christ after faith at a mans own request in the presence of God Angels and men is more to declare ones relation to Christ than the passive ignorant reception of it in infancy But to come closer and to take light from the Scripture what it is that both maketh a man called Christs Disciple and what it is declareth him so now 't is plain by the Scripture that as following the instructions and examples of Christ maketh a man called his Disciple Luke 9.23 John 8.31 So also doth it most significantly declare our discipleship to Christ The Scripture is as expresse for this as for the other By this shall ALL men know that ye are my Disciples if ye love one another AS I have loved you If they would take his counsell to love one another especially if after his own example AS he had loved them then he saith By that ALL MEN shall know they shall not onely be his Disciples but ALL MEN should know that they are his disciples So that we have a plain rule laid down in Scripture to guide us what it is that doth with advantage declare men the professed disciples of Christ and that is the walking after him according to his word what made the Jews known to be the disciples of Moses but the following of his doctrine and example Have we then any thing more to do to determine this but onely to lay the two waies to the rule for how can any one imagine with any shew of reason that walking contrary to Christ should declare persons his disciples If then believers baptisme and that by burying the body in water be that the Scripture speaks of as that wherein we follow Christ and are one with him which I have proved already and as for Infants sprinkling not a word of it in all the New Testament then out of all controversie the way to declare men the disciples of Christ Col. 2 1● is to go our way because Christ walked this way as we have proved already and therefore all that will be called Christs Disciples by Baptisme must go this way and no other But you say the world looketh not upon beleivers Baptisme by dipping as any thing more significative of owning Christ but the contrary even disobliging them rather from what their first baptisme obliged them unto than otherwise To that I answer how willing you are to affirm things loosely that is like to reproach this cause is much more plain then the truth of your affirmation and whether it be not so I leave the world to judge Further to this cruel insinuation against the poor people and
207. of his Commentary upon the Acts If Baptisme be given without faith whose seal it is It is BOTH A WICKED AND TOO GROSSE A PROFANING 't is true for reasons which were so to himself he was for Infant-Baptisme notwithstanding but the reason he giveth is no more a proof to us than Abrahams begetting Isaack proveth we shall have new heavens and a new earth Learn'd Vnsin advising when Baptisme is rightly and lawfully used faith It is P. 414. Catechis when the Rites instituted by Christ in Baptisme are not CHANGED And saith further that the Sacraments are no Sacraments where they are unlawfully administred Now compare these two learned men together Calvin saith the Church hath changed the Rite from dipping to sprinkling and Vrsin saith that where there is change the Sacraments are no Sacraments If then Calvin say true whereof there is no doubt that is that the primitive practise was dipping then in Vrsins judgement the Ordinance being changed to sprinkling it ceaseth to be any thing and so all sprinkled persons are unbaptised Further as to the subject P. 414. Of Catechis This condition is added speaking of beleiving unto the promise for they who are baptised cannot receive that which is promised and sealed in Baptisme but by faith so that without faith neither is the promise ratified nor the Baptisme AVAILABLE he goeth on In these words is noted breifly the right use of Baptisme in which right use the Sacraments are ratified to them which receive them with a true faith but in whatsoever corrupt and unlawful use and administration the Sacraments are no Sacraments Note well BVT ARE SACRAMENTS TO THEM ONELY WHO RECEIVE THEM WITH A TRVE FAITH But if any body say why but yet Vrsin was for childrens Baptisme as well as Calvin yes he was but mark the ground Whereas they say P. 420. C●techis Mark the 〈◊〉 slippeth out a● meaning the Antipaedo Baptists that unto the use of Baptisme faith is required We grant it but yet distinguishing of faith so that we say saith he actuall faith is required in those of understanding but in Infants is required an inclination onely to this actuall faith afterwards thus Faith is in Infants potentially and by inclination Thus by the help of this distinction he hooketh in the baptisme of Children But will this satisfie the conscience of any considerate Christian where is an inclination to beleive made the condition of Baptisme for any body young or old in Scripture Is there such a word and if there be none as surely there is not are these men ruled by the Word or rather do not they rule it Or is there any such thing in Infants as an inclination to beleive Is it not the judgement of these men that all Infants are born children of wrath by nature dead in sins and trespasses as dead to any thing that is spiritual as a dead man is to natural if so how come they to conceive of such their inclinations to beleive which is a spiritual thing and who can tell of any inclinations in Infants no one thing or other can any body tell by experience of any inclinations they had in infancy What a woful ground is this to administer Gospel-Ordinances upon Or is the next any better though they have not faith actuall yet they have potential faith and is that any more than to say they may beleive one day and is not that the condition of Pagans and Infidels and shall they be baptised upon that ground doth not this arguing savour of that Philosophy and vain deceit Paul warneth the Colossians of by which they were in danger of being carried after the rudiments of the world and not after Christ Good Reader dost thou not perceive it I know that thou perceivest it But this is too great a digression I should now return to Mr. Goodwins pleas which render the standing of Baptisme doubtful but that labour is saved because I have proved already the continuation of Baptisme with Teaching I hope to the satisfaction of all unprejudiced minds and because my Brother Allen hath lately published a Book called Satisfaction for Seekers where the case touching an Administrator of Gospel-Ordinances in these times is handled with many other questions thereabout of near affinity to these pleas of Mr. Goodwins or rather the Seekers which Mr. Goodwin hath espoused and put so great a countenance upon them as if they had so much weight in them as to make the matter difficult whether the Ordinance of Baptisme be standing or no. Consider his words We do not intend that any thing hitherto argued P. 31. Of Water dip should be taken for a demonstrative or positive proof that the Ordinance of Baptisme is now extinct or not administrable without sin in the world He confesseth they are not a demonstrative proof of the death of Baptisme but it seemeth they goe a great way and say a good say to it the truth is Sir you fear not to make great adventures to come into your end you seem willing not onely to be content to part with Baptisme which Calvin saith one would fight to a hundred deaths rather than loose but to hazard the reputation of all the Ordinances rather than the true Baptisme of the New Testament should advance in the minds of men though the deceit of sprinkling be detected that it can scarce look the light of this day in the face what else meaneth your countenancing of the Seekers Arguments which lie as well against all the Ordinances as Baptisme and which heretofore you have trampled on like dirt Sir you say to Mr. Edwards that his Gangrena made great joy in hell whatever his Gangrena did in hell I know not but I beleive upon good grounds that your water dipping especially this eighteenth Consideration hath made more joy on earth amongst the Seekers Ranters and all sorts of non-Churchers than ever they had in all their lives before by how much you excell the most in parts learning wit c. by so much the more is their consolation that you seem to feel weight in their Arguments HEARK HOW THEY CLAP THEIR HANDS AND SING But to conclude Sir may not Baptisme say to you as Christ to the Jewes for which of my good workes doe yo● stone me Hath not God made the Scriptures concerning Baptisme upright why then doe you seek out so many inventions Your nineteenth Consideration being of one heart and soul with the eighth I shall wholly passe it over referring the Reader to the Answer of that in which he shall find the Answer to this also Your twentieth Consideration for substance this PEter being questioned for holding communion with Cornelius and his Company by the Brethren of Jerusalem he justifieth it by telling them they had received the holy Ghost as a testimony of their faith and doth not so much as hint any thing of their Baptisme in his justification and with that account they were satisfied To which the
were added unto them or the Church about three thousand soules who continued in the Apostles fellowship But by this doctrine of Mr. Goodwins Baptisme should be a crime rather than an act of obedience because he maketh the Church not to consist of such persons as have been baptised is this doctrine according to the form of wholsome words Doth not the Apostle write to the CHURCH of Corinth 1 Cor. 1.10 13. Rom. 6.3 4 Col. 2.12 Gal. 3.27 and CHURCH at Rome and Church at COLOSSE and the CHURCHES of Galatia and were they not made up of baptised persons But 2. Mr. Goodwin saith The Lord added to the Church such as should be saved which say you was NOT by being BAPTISED but beleiving Here Mr. Goodwin opposeth Baptisme to beleiving in reference to salvation but it is not by vertue of this Text He that beleiveth and is baptised shall be saved And by vertue of what Text of Scripture he doth it I know not for though Baptisme should not be looked upon as a condition of absolute necessity to salvation as faith is yet sure it is some way necessary to salvation it is plain in the Text and therefore not to be put in opposition to faith in reference thereto what a wide difference there is between making Baptisme equa● with faith as conditional of salvation which is the judgement of many learned men as you know and making it stand in opposition to faith in reference thereto as you doe Sir will that God that ordained Baptisme to be Faiths companion to serve the same interest of the pretious soules of men will he take it kindly that you toil thus to make them look like enemies rather than friends In a word Sir this doctrine is altogether unscriptural and as pleasant to the tast of a healthful soul as vinegar to the teeth But 3. and lastly you say though it should be read thus Then they that gladly received his word were baptised and the same day there were added to the Church yet the recording their addition to the Church after their Baptisme doth not prove their addition was BY their Baptisme The cause doth not require it neither doth my Brother Allen affirm it from this Text but onely that addition to the Church followed it and did not goe before it which was your own words heretofore as I have shewn already and we think it is safest to follow the Scripture pattern partly because of what you said heretofore that all others were but seducers but cheifly because of the express Word of God But whatever the matter is you think now one may goe another way and doe as well The second Scripture which in my apprehension suffereth under your pen is Math. 28.19 which I have proved at large already p. 13 14 15 16. of this book where I have laid down my Brother Allens Argument from the words and answered Mr. Goodwins objections against it in doing which the Reader will easily perceive that Text complaining of hard usage The third is the 1. Corinth 12.13 which I have also discharged the service Mr. Goodwin employed it in p. 18 19 20 21 22 23. of this book because the truth is it is not pleased with it The fourth which doth not onely whisper but cry out of injury is the 8. of Acts 27. And Phillip said if thou beleivest with all thy heart thou mayest The words its evident are an answer to the Eunuch who asked Phillip upon the sight of water what hindred that he might not be baptised Mr. Goodwin supposeth by these words THOU MAYEST he not saying to him THOU MUST is noted a liberty which he calleth an Evangelicall liberty concerning external Ordinances implying he might be baptised if he would he should not sin or he he might refuse without sin This I take to be the most unnatural unkindly and indeed injurious stroke of the Text of any that hath been touched Gird up therefore the loines of thy mind and consider good Reader that thou beest not hurt by this dangerous gloss of the Text. 1. If Phillip should have propounded Baptisme to the Eunuch upon such slight termes not as a duty on him but a thing indifferent he should have done that he had no warrant for from Christ Christ gave all his Commands to be obeyed not to be trifled with John 15.14 Ye are my friends if you doe WHATSOEVER I command you Revel 22.12 14. Blessed are they that DOE his Commandments that they may have right to the tree of life Acts 3 22. A Prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you him shall you hear in ALL things WHATSOEVER he shall say unto you And it shall come to passe that every soul that wil not hear that Prophet shall be destroyed from amongst the people that by hearing is meant obeying in this Scripture is your own sense Luke 6.46 Why call you me Lord Lord and DOE not the things that I say So that if Baptisme be one of the Commands of Christ Mat. 28.19 Acts 2.37 Mar. 16.16 as I have proved from Acts 2.37 and might do it from many others And 2. that Christ gave all his Commands to be observed John 15.14 Rev. 22.14 Acts 3.22 And 3. that he counteth those no friends of his that baulketh any of them 4. That he threateneth them with destruction that observeth him not in whatsoever he commandeth without exception of any thing yea that he distateth any ones calling him Lord that doth not obey him Then I think it followeth roundly enough that if Phillip should have propounded Baptisme to the Eunuch upon such termes of indifferency he should have betrayed his trust Reader what thinkst thou 2. To evince that Phillip by those words THOU MAYEST did not intend them by way of indifferency as to the Eunuchs obedience appeareth by this because then he should act by a differing Spirit from all the rest of his brethren the Servants of Christ that were imployed in the Lords work But he was acted by the same Spirit I shall take that for granted that the Spirit that said unto Phillip Goe near and joyn thy self Acts 8.29 that it was the Spirit of the ever-living God which acted Phillip thorough that negotiation he had with the Eunuch Now that Spirit inspireth Peter to COMMAND Cornelius and his Company to be baptised after faith Acts 10.47 Peter did not say you may or you may chuse but though they were deeply baptised with the Spirit yet Peter commandeth them to be baptised with water for all that In the Name of the Lord Jesus which was in full pursuit of his Commission which also is a clear interpretation of it that when Christ saith Disciple me all Nations baptising them his meaning was that they should having discipled them command the Disciples to be baptised In the Name of the Lord Jesus that they should lay it home to the consciences of the Disciples and a duty to be baptised into his Name and so bear the
TRUTH prevailing against the fiercest Opposition OR An Answer to Mr. Iohn Goodwins Water-dipping no firm footing for Church Communion Wherein the invalidity of his twenty three Considerations against withdrawing from those Societies that want Baptisme by the bodies burial in water is manifested and the separation from such Societies justified by the Word of God Together with the discovery of his great mistakes in the exposition of eight cheif Scriptures wherewith he fighteth to overthrow Mr. Allens Answer to his forty Queries about Church Communion By THOMAS LAMBE Merchant once belonging to the Congregation whereof Mr. JOHN GOODWIN is Pastor now a Servant to the Church of CHRIST meeting in Loathbury It was needful for me to write unto you and exhort you that you should EARNESTLY CONTEND for the Faith which was ONCE delivered to the Saints Jude the third As ye have received Christ Jesus the Lord SO walk ye in him rooted and built up in him Col. 2.8 Beware 〈◊〉 any man spoil you through Philosophy and vain deceit after the traditions of men and NOT AFTER CHRIST Col. 2.8 I have found David the Son of Jesse a man after my own heart which shall fulfil ALL my will Acts 13.22 Hebron therefore became the Inheritance of Caleb because he WHOLLY followed the Lord God of Israel Josh 14.14 London Printed by G. Dawson and are to be sold by Francis Smith at his Shop in Flying-horse-Court in Fleet-street near Chancery-lane end 1655. TO THE READER GOOD READER GOD knoweth with what regret of spirit I publish this answer to Mr. Goodwins Book called Water-dipping no firm footing for Church Communion as pure conscience at first separated me from that Society of whom he is Pastor so now compelleth me to make answer to that Book written for our reproof not onely to defend the truth therein opposed but also to vindicate my self with some others from the heavy charge therein given to the whole world against us of Faith and Trust betrayers Promise breakers sacrilegious Church breakers c. 2. To make the world Judges whether we are as Mr. Goodwin representeth us persons of a misused and ●●stempered fancy of stupified judgements to whose understanding common sense is a mystery inaccessible with abundance more to the same purpose 3. To let the world see that our Baptism hath not metamorphosed us from Lambs to Wolves Tygers or Serpents which strange insinuations uttered in his hast we hope confute themselves in the eyes of all rational unprejudiced men that know us but since books for the most part live longer than men I thought it my duty to make our Vindication as publick as Mr. Goodwins Aspersion except he had prevented us and truly not for our own name sake but for Christs sake whose cause we plead and least the blessed truth of the New Testament sealed in Christs heart bloud should suffer by our total silence Had not the truth been dearer to me than any man I had rather chose to loose my right hand than set it to a book that frowneth on him whose credit alwayes was and still is right dear and pretious in my sight so unhappy a thing it is for good men to be yoked with error in the things of Christ that it maketh the most intimate friends by opposition look like bitter adversaries for the truth sake Thus did Paul in respect of Peter 2 Cal. 11. when before the whole Church of Antioch he withstood him to the face because he was to be blamed he who spotteth the beautiful face of truth though ignorantly must expect a stain in his own credit and be content to suffer so much as to make the truth whole And he that contendeth FOR the truth must be like to Levi Deut. 33.9 Who said unto his Father and to his Mother I have not seen him neither did he acknowlegde his brethren nor knew his own children that he might observe Gods Word and keep his Covenant To acknowledge the good received from Instruments agreeth both to grace and nature but to baulk pleading the truth because thereof argueth a distemper in the affections The same person deserving at the same time both thanks and reproofs to return the one is a point of gratitude to administer the other in love and in the majesty of Gods Word a point of faithfulness And if in this contest thou findest any passages on my part savouring of too much sharpness though in answer to Mr. Goodwins highest provocations look upon me as disowning them and mind onely the reason of the place Christs counsel is not to resist evil Math. 5 39. But whoso shall smite me on the right cheek to turn the other to him But besides it becometh me to bear much evill from that hand by which I have received so much good And so I commend thee to the serious consideration of the ensuing discourse praying with all my soul the Father of lights to vouchsafe thee the spirit of discerning that what therein is of God may be obvious to thy understanding and readily embraced by thy will and what is not of God if yet there be any thing may utterly perish from thy soul this is the prayer of Thy faithful Friend to serve thee to my power THO LAMBE To my Worthy Friends and Brethren of like pretious faith walking with Mr. Iohn Goodwin in the right Faith though not in the right order of the GOSPEL Holy and Beloved I Have been long your debtor it is fit I should now pay you your own with interest which here I present you by answering the substance of Mr. Goodwins Water-dipping no firm footing for Church Communion which if you will in the fear of God and without prejudice consider I make little question but the riddle of my departure from you whose Society I prized not a little will be unfolded That strange action of our Saviours so contrary to his natural genius mentioned John 2.15 mightily affected the Disciples and made them to cast about to find a ground for it perhaps it may be so with some of you in respect of me because of my suddain breaking off from your Society wherein you know I took much delight I can say more than in Corn Wine and Oil and where I had no want but a surplusage of respects above what I was able to merit at your hand In a word where my content was so great that it made departing from you more grievous to me than death it self would have been And how contrary it is to my Spirit to make trouble or cause breaches I need not tell you I take it for granted that it is upon all your hearts how much I abhorre it So that I conclude it cannot lightly but be a matter of some wonder to you that I should thus break off from you as well as Christs strange action in the Temple was to the Disciples Now whilst they were casting about to find a ground for this astonishing action of our Saviour and searching in the right
place namely the Scriptures at last they met with it John 2.17 And they remembred that it was written namely in the 69 Psalm 9. The zeal of thy house hath eaten me up In like manner Do you wonder and are you casting about for a ground to fix my departure upon then take the Disciples course judge not according to appearance but judge righteous judgement do as they did plough with the heifer of the Scriptures and you will easily understand this riddle hearken not to Satan the great enemy of all righteousness who will suggest unto you some ignoble root or other to fix it upon it was his way of old when Christ cast out devils the devil suggesteth he did it not by the power of God but of Beelzebub the Prince of devils The Apostle Paul himself notwithstanding all his zeal and faithfulness and unparalell'd self-denial yet there was some even in the Church of Corinth who he so dearly loved who judged him as a man walking according to the flesh in all 2 Corinth 10.2 I think to be bold against some which THINK of us saith he as if we walked according to the flesh Heavenly John that bundle of love met with a proud hungerstarved close fisted Diotrephes prating against him with malitious words 3 Epistle John 10. T is an old trick of the Devil to bespeak the rejection of the truth by working an ill opinion of them that maintain it If this hath been the portion of such green trees t is not for me to complain that am comparatively dry my weaknesses are many and no doubt but hath afforded many appearances of evil to you but these heavenly soules were judged where there was neither evil nor appearance of any the consideration whereof is no small consolation to me under all your mis-judgings But for the matter it self of my departing from you as my record is on high that no worldly thing should have separated me from the Church so I have the witness within my self that no carnal consideration whatsoever hath contributed to it to the value of the least hair of my head and how cometh any body to dream any such thing When mens business lieth in the East do men use to set out full West or do men use to take up meanes in full contestation to their end Alass alass I considered beforehand that this way is every where spoken against and the generality of the Professors of it of small esteem for learning parts or any thing that commendeth men to the world their garb and cast that of the Disciples Luke 6.20 Blessed be ye poor Now that they were exclaimed on by the learned in their writings and frequently in Pulpits at this day their name cast out as evil and hated in a manner of all men that if times of persecution for conscience come they are like to be the first sufferers So that I had many struglings and wrestlings with the flesh before I could get the victory to submit to it nay the truth is had not the truth concerning it struck my conscience and the light shone into my judgement with that clearness that I could by no meanes avoid it with peace I had never forsaken my old standing which was more honourable easie and every way more acceptable to the outward man Now what those Considerations are that command my judgement to that point whereat it now standeth in the business of Baptisme which is that onely thing which separated between me and you you have scattered up and down in this my Answer to Mr. Goodwin But yet I think good to give you the sum thereof under a few heads 1. I considered the excellency of Jesus Christ above Moses Hebr. 1. Heb. 3.3 Heb. 1.3 from thence argued to the ungodliness and danger of slighting him in any of his Commands 2. I found Baptisme with Water to be one of his Commands Mat. 28 19. Acts 2.37 and joyn'd with Teaching by name in the Commission of Christ and the same presence of Christ promised joyntly as well to Baptisme as Teaching to the end of the world Mar. 16.16 and serving the grand interest of Remission of sins and salvation in some sense and commanded by Christ to be done upon all discipled persons Mat. 28.19 Mar. 16.16 and that with huge solemnity In the Name of the Father Son and Spirit and that too amongst the last words he spake on earth 3. I found that he intended not the reiteration of it by the same person and that therefore there ought to be all due care of practising it without corruption 4. I found the design of Christ in the Ordinance it self to be exceeding rich and spiritual namely amongst many other ends 1. To oblige the Disciples unto Christ that as Circumcision bound men to keep the Law of Moses so doth Baptisme to keep the Gospel of Christ therefore the Spirit borroweth the word Baptism which respecteth Christ to express the obligation of the Jewes to the Law of Moses 1 Corinth 10.2 And were all baptised unto Moses Further the design of Christ is to affect the heart by the will of God seen in the Ordinance of Baptisme as well as heard in the Word preached therefore to present in a figure the substance of the Gospel to the eye as the Word preach'd doth to the ear namely the washing away of sin by the bloud of Christ the death Acts 22.16 Col. 2.12 Rom 6.34 burial and resurrection of Christ for sinners and the sinners death to sin suffering with Christ resurrection to all newness of life here and glory hereafter 5. This being the plain design of Christ in the Ordinance I considered Infant-sprinkling which ordinarily goeth for Baptisme and found the great design of Christ in a manner frustrate by it because there is no sign or figure of any such thing as death burial and resurrection and consequently not that Sermon of the Gospel which Christ intended to make by it as is most evident by the Scriptures which palpably discovereth it to be a humane invention 6. I found that as Baptisme was by Christ instituted and the Apostles practised namely upon discipled persons made so by Teaching as the Acts of the Apostles abundantly prove The form being by burying the body in water which Calvin and others honestly confess to be the old way The worthy design of Christ therein is excellently served The party being a Beleiver is capable of fellowship with God in the Ordinance and voluntarily submitting thereto out of conscience of duty and knowledge of the intent of Christ in it is like to feel their obligation to Christ by it into whose Name they themselves desired to be baptised whereas Infants are neither capable of desiring it knowledge of the meaning of it faith about it or any such thing as fellowship with God in it and when grown up can onely tell by hearsay that ever any such thing was done at all upon them most unlike therefore to
was dark and so hard to find 12. As Beleivers Baptisme agreeth to particular Churches gathered out of the world by the Word so doth Infant-baptisme agree to the National Church and Communion therein which you have renounced because by Baptisme they are immembred into the Church and so capable of Church Communion yea 't is their right if their Baptisme be reckoned valid because according to Scripture Acts 2.42 All baptised persons were added to the Church and continued in the Apostles fellowship breaking bread and prayer by what rule then can the Parishes be withdrawn from when they are esteemed duly baptised persons till legally proceeded against for disorderly walking If then you will reject their Church state as good as you do by withdrawing from them you must not allow their Baptisme because their Baptisme if good giveth right to it Indepency then rejecteth the fruit but letteth the tree stand that beareth it If it be objected that some though not all of the Independents disallow the Baptisme of some children namely such whose Parents beleive not T is true in words but not deeds where is there one man in all the Independent Churches the truth of whose Baptisme was ever called in question 13. Infant-baptisme agreeth to the carnal interest of those men who take up preaching for filthy lucre whereas Beleivers Baptisme altogether frowneth on it Infant-baptisme taking in high and low rich and poor into the Church maketh both more and richer Customers to the Minister Beleivers both fewer and poorer because they are but few that beleive comparitively and for the most part of the poorer sort so that which way soever I looked on Infant-baptisme I found the signes of a plant which the heavenly Father never planted and on the contrary Beleivers Baptisme every way answering the breathings of the Spirit of God in Scripture and consequently that it became me as a friend to Truth and for the honour of Jesus Christ not onely to obey Christ by submitting to the Ordinance my self but to strive the restoring it to its primitive puritity to which I take my self obliged 1. By the Scripture Jude 3. It was needfull for me to write unto you and exhort you that you should earnestly contend for the faith ONCE delivered to the Saints 2. By the example of holy men of old that when they set upon reformation in the worship of God Neh. 10.19 2 Kings 23 25. Jer. 6.16 Mal. 4.4 2 Ch●on 33.8 had respect to ALL the Law in reforming both before and after the Captivity which also was according to the express Command of God 3. By Gods high approbation of such his Servants who did accordingly as you may see in the instance of Josiah 2 Kings 27.25 David is called a man after Gods own heart Acts 13.22 because a fulfiller of all his will and Caleb so highly dignified Josh 14. from 8. to the 14. because he fully followed the Lord his God Solomon is disparaged by this 1 Kings 11.6 That he went not FVLLY after the Lord as did David his Father 4. By the Covenant that the whole Church entered into with the rest of the Nation to reform both in doctrine and discipline according to the Word of God But you cannot think Baptisme any part of Christs Law and so the practise rather a piece of will-worship than fully following of Christ To which I answer When the doctrine of universal Redemption first sounded in your ear it was as hard to bear as Beleivers Baptisme is now and as farre from your thoughts to be the mind of Christ but that which was hard then is easie now that which was darkness then is light now and that which was wood hay and stubble then is gold and silver and pretious stones now yea those doctrines that when time was in your hast you were ready to say he deserved to loose his eyes that preacht them now for your joy could almost be content to pluck out your own eyes in gratitude to him that brought them Is it not true And again concerning the Church way mind Mr. Goodwins words to Mr. Thomas Goodwin when he was in Holland Your authority graces learning parts judgement and example have made the stone of separation amongst us so massie and heavie that we are constrained to be at double paines and labour in removing and rouling it from the consciences of men A great part of our imployment is to stanch the issue of that fountain of bloud which you have opened in the womb of our Churches here But yet since Mr. Goodwin hath found cause to build up that which then he threw down with so much zeal and industry and I verily beleive if a man should have said to Mr. Goodwin at that time Sir the time may come when you may find cause to separate from the national Church and gather a particular he would have said Am I a Dog that I should do this great thing Oh how he sweat at it then to roul that heavy stone of separation from the consciences of men at last found it too heavy to be done at all and so thought fit rather to lie under the weight of it than heave any longer at it I write not these things to shame Mr. Goodwin it is no shame to a man that he knoweth but in part and that he is not Master of all knowledge at one and the same time The path of the just being as the shining light Prov. 4 18. which shineth more and more to the perfect day If more spiritual light shine not into the judgement if it not a sore sign that the path of such men is not the path of the just And if when it is come into the judgement if it shall not appear in practise then it is a sign of a heart glued to some carnal worldly interest or other which causeth the person to withhold the truth in unrighteousness T is not changing simply that the Scriptures find fault with but being GIVEN to change Changing as the case may be is so farre from being a fault Prov. 24.21 that it is a sign of a growing soul in grace of walking after the Spirit of a self denying upright soul that lieth naked before the truth unmarried to any secular interest Truths faithful friend that so truth may get up careth not though it self go down This therefore is the glory not the sha●e of Mr. Goodwin that when the truth came into his judgement as it is in Jesus he consulted not with flesh and bloud but with Paul preacheth the faith which once he destroyed for which many glorified God in him I beseech you therefore let no man mis-judge me in the ground of t●is relation as if I intended hereby to cast the least disparagement upon him whom for the good I have received from God by his hand I am bound above many to love and honour But if you ask wherefore then serveth this story I answer that you should not think of
him above that which is meet to let you see that Mr. Goodwin is but a man and subject to like mistakes that others are and therefore his present superabounding confidence though it rise to that height as to think all others little better than mad that is not of his opinion is no demonstration that he is in the truth t is so far from that that if a man may judge what is like now to be by what hath been now is the time that Anabaptisme should arise life up it self and be exalted in Mr. Goodwins judgement because heretofore in other cases not long after such high expressions of confidence he gave up the bucklers and the truth took possession of his heart which it never could get before I cannot therefore be out of all hope that Mr. Goodwin may one day fall down at the foot of that truth which he now trampleth on without mercy And though our Arguments seem weak and frothy to him for the present and the fruit of a distempered fancy it doth not follow that they are so but this onely that Mr. Goodwin is fully perswaded in his own mind which he is wont to be as well when he is out of the truth as well as in it The scope hereof is threefold 1 To shew that though you are not now of our mind it doth not follow you never will be 2. To prevent rash and hasty judging 3. To admonish you against having not onely Mr. Goodwins but any mans person in admiration The snare of admiring men is great both to the admirers and admired To the admirers 1. It maketh them swallow what the admired say without due chewing and so their faith will stand more in the wisdom and judgement of such men who they deifie than in the power of God 2. It issueth an under esteem of and scornful slighting of others 1 Cor. 1.12 compared with 1 Cor 4.6 who yet are worthy instruments in the Lords work this was the case of many in the Church of Corinth To the admired the snare is great upon them also even to puffe them up and make them swell against their brethren and so also to procure the displeasure of God against them Acts 12.22 Oh what care therefore doth Paul take to keep both the World and the Church from undue attributions to him Acts 14.11 upon his cure of the Creeple The people lift up their voices saying The GODS are come down in the likeness of men and much ado they had to keep the people from sacrificing to them which made the Apostles Barnabas and Paul rend their clothes run in among the people crying out and saying Sirs why do ye th●se things we are men of like passions with you much after this manner is it with persons that God useth in converting and edefying soules Gal. 4.15 especially when also found able in the warrs of Christ for truth so that if such men do not run in upon the people and disown all undue reverence they will have much ado to keep within the bounds of those respects due to Instruments They will be more apt to say what such a man saith than what Christ saith or Paul or Peter or James or John saith nay in a manner to beleive what such a man beleiveth in every thing Now indeed we read of eminent persons great benefactors and that withall have served in warrs to conquest the people have made them judges in civils But this is too much to give to any mortal man in spirituals There the Command is express Math. 23.9 10. Call no man Master or Father not in the besotted Quakers sense by denying such titles to men but Christs sense which is by accepting men for lords over our faith which Paul disowneth as to himself in respect of the Churches in the 2 Corinth 1.24 Nor for that we have DOMINION over YOVR FAITH and that which Paul took such great to prevent in the Churches 1 Corinth 2.5 That their faith should not stand in his wisdom though he doth own being their Father 1 Cer. 4.15 in a sense and Master too 2 Thes 3.12 14. in subordination to Christ But I fear I shall be too tedious in my Epistle my heart being greatly enlarged towards you I have much ado to stop the progress of my pen but least my Epistle prove to o bulky I shall here break off though abruptly assuring you that it s not the want of love to you but the conscience of duty to Christ who loved me and gave himself for me that separateth between you and me As for your hard thoughts and speeches concerning my departure as on the one hand I am provided against the dint of them by the conscience of my own perfect innocency and integrity in that matter and who is he that can make my glorying void On the other hand my prayer is they may never work to disaffect me to you but to the doubling of my requests to God to enlighten your judgements in the truth and so make way for our meeting again never to part more Yours unfeignedly in the right way of the Gospel to serve you faithfully according to my measure in the things of Jesus Christ THO LAMBE ERRATA PAge 14. line 12. leave out the word not p. 33. line 10. read● my for which p. 33. line 20. read or for besides p. 39. l. 2. before p. 135. adde yet p. 39. line 7. for Psalme read Isaiah p. 40 line 30. and 32. for duly read duty p. 41. line 31. leave out the words hard to find p. 50. line 21. for imploy read imply p. 64. line 18. beginning of the line add the word But. p. 113. line 11. read Ordinance for Ordinances p. 113. line 24. read institution for instituting An Answer to Mr. Iohn Goodwins Considerations against forsaking the embodied Societies of Beleivers Notwithstanding the want of true Baptisme His first Consideration for substance this THat the Morall Law hath a superintendency over the Law of Institutions so that whilst the positive Law of Christ cannot be practised without breaking the Morrall Law In such case the Law of Institutions must give place which he proveth by many Scriptures This Doctrine is true but ill applied as to us in our case because our separating is no breach of any part of the Morral Law Mr. Goodwin indeed supposeth it is and that by so doing we are guilty of promise breaking covenant breaking c. To which I answer That we ●●●●ised to walk together with Mr. Goodwin and that Society in the worship of God according to the light given we deny not But that our withdrawing from that Society is any sinful breach of promise or Covenant that we utterly deny yea so farre from any such thing that it is indeed and in truth the performance of a most solemn Vow and Covenant which Mr. Goodwin At the time of the Nations cutring into the solemn League and Covenant with my self and divers of the Church entred
Acts of the Apostles proveth Act. 18.8 If you could shew any saith Mr. Baxster that did delay Baptisme he meaneth to Disciples since Christs Command P. 24. Of plain Scripture proofs Math. 28.19 it would appear to have been sinfull as through ignorance or negligence Again That it is Christs rule that persons shall be baptised without delay when they are first made Disciples P. 126. Of Scripture proof I have fully proved already both from the Commission for baptising and from Scripture example explaining that Commission and from the end and use of Baptisme If any should be so impudent as to say it is not the meaning of Christ that baptizing should immediately follow discipling they are confuted by the constant example of Scripture So that I dare say this will be out of doubt with all rationall P. 127. considerate impartial Christians If this be so clear a truth as every one with half an eye cannot lightly but see it then is it not a plain case that they that shall attempt to sit down with Church-bodies before Baptisme or those Churches that shall admit unbaptised Disciples into full communion that they all depart from the rule of Christ and walk by a rule of their own devising and instead of Law-obeyers take the boldness to be Law-makers Mr. Goodwin objecteth p. 64. of his water-dipping that His proof meaning my Brother Allens is built upon a clear mistake of the word Teach in the Commission Math. 28.19 for to teach doth not signifie to teach men so as to make them wiling to obey which is my Brother Allens sense but to do that which is apt to make Disciples whether any he actually made Disciples or no. That this sense of the word Teach is a part of the truth I deny not but that it is all that is contained in the word Teach that I deny for these reasons following 1. Because then all persons whatsoever to whom the Gospel was at any time preached by the Apostles were upon their bare hearing of it whether they beleived or blasphemed to have been baptised by them For you say the word Teach doth not imply an actually discipled person to Christ but onely the having instructions proper to make men so If that were all the sense then the Apostles were bound by their Commission to baptise in the Name of the Father Son and Spirit all they preached the Gospel unto though they knew neither Father Son nor Spirit or beleived a word they said yea those that commanded them to teach no more in that Name and beat them for it and imprisoned them being filled with indignation Acts 5.18 Secondly To shew that this sense of yours hath not all the truth in it it appeareth by the 2. Acts 41 which saith not that all that heard the Word were baptised but they that gladly RECEIVED the Word which sheweth clearly enough what is meant by the word teach in the Commission namely such whereby persons became glad receivers of the Word why else did he not baptise every body that heard him Sir you say truly it is a loud untruth to say there is not one example of a person baptised barely upon his hearing of the Gospel preached unto him but I pray Sir whose cause do you plead by saying so your own or ours and here I heartily desire the Reader to consider whether you have not in a few words destroyed your own sense of the word Teach and established my Brother Allens for if there be not one example throught the Acts of a person baptised barely upon his hearing the Gospel but all examples speak of their being Beleivers or Disciples first Why then surely the Apostles understood by the word Teach the making them actual Disciples which is our sense and not onely the saying such things to them which were proper to make them so which is Mr. Goodwins or else they practised contrary to their own judgement But thirdly that by teaching is meant actual discipling is the judgement of our Adversaries Mr. Baxter giveth this for the sense of the word Teach in the Commission very frequently in his plain Scripture proof p. 15. Go ye teach is go make me Disciples in which exposition of the verb 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Mr. Baxter confesseth to agree with Mr Tombes I say as he saith Mr. Baxter that the verb signifieth make ye Disciples Vrsinus upon these words Go teach all Nations baptising them The word which Christ useth saith he properly signifieth make Disciples thus it is expounded saith he by John Note well John 4.2 The Pharisees heard that Jesus made and baptised more Disciples than John and what Vrsinus meaneth by Disciples appeareth plainly p. 414. of his Catechisme Teach all Nations baptising them that is all who by your doctrine come unto me and p. 420. That unto the use of baptisme faith is required and in p. 415. these discipled persons he calleth converted persons So that in this learned mans judgement by teaching in the Commission is meant discipling by Disciples Beleivers commers unto Christ converted persons and not as Mr. Goodwin that to teach signifieth not to make them actual Disciples but onely the saying such things to them which are apt to make them so But fourthly and lastly the reason Mr. Goodwin giveth why by the word teach must be meant as he saith and not according to the common consent of Interpreters I humbly apprehend to be invalid his reason is this because if we understand the word Teach of actual discipling these absurdities will follow First He must be conceived to commissionate them to do that which was not in their own power to do Secondly It would follow that though they preached never so faithfully yet they had falsified trust and acted short of their Commission if they had not at all times made those to whom they preached actuall Beleivers To which I answer This Argument standeth upon an unsound bottom which is this That it is an absurd thing to conceive that God should put more into a Commission given to Men then is in the Creatures own power to do What is more frequent in Scripture than to put that into the Commission both of Prophets and Apostles which was not in their own power to effect Isaiah 6.9 10. Ge make the heart of this people fat and make their eares heavy and shut their eyes least c. is not here more put into the Prophets Commission than was in his own power to do could he make their hearts fat or make their eares heavy or shut their eyes Nay are not these effects attributed to God though put in the Prophets Commission John 12.40 He hath blinded their eyes and hardened their heart that they should not see with their eyes yea these effects are attributed to themselves in Math. 13.15 Their eyes they have closed least they should c. So that though these effects are put in the Prophets Commission yet altogether out of his own power to
1 Cor. 1.10 and 15. so in the 4. of the Eph. 4 5. and to the Colossians also But we never read of working miracles or speaking with tongues made any Argument of union I hope then enough and more than enough is said to satisfie any indifferent man that the word baptised in the fore-mentioned place is to be understood properly even of water Baptisme and consequently the Argument from that Text to prove Baptisme the door of entrance into the visible Church of Christ unanswerable But besides this 1 Cor. 12.13 to prove Baptisme the door of the visible Church the 6 of the Romans 3. speaketh the same language Know ye not that so many of us as were BAPTISED INTO Jesus Christ were baptised into his death c. Now to prove that by Baptisme in the first clause he meaneth it not of mortification which some conceive the Baptisme of the Spirit it appeareth thus If the Baptism of the Text be used as an Argument to perswade to perfect mortification and a new life then is it not the thing it self But it is used as an Argument to perswade to perfect the work of mortification and a new life In the 2 verse How shall we ●●●t are dead to sin live any longer therein Now they were not already dead to sin in a proper sense they were not already actually mortified though the work was begun in them for then there would be little fear of longer continuing in sin to which they were dead from which he now dehorteth them But in the 3. verse he mentioneth their Baptisme and useth it argument wise to perswade not to live any longer in sin Know ye not that so many of us as w●●e baptised into Jesus Christ were baptised into his death And at the 4. verse Therefore we are buried with him by baptisme into death that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father even so we aslo should walk in newness of life So that his doctrine in my apprehension is plainly this that though for the present they were not attained to the perfect state of actuall mortification yet by their baptisme they were under an effectual obligation to use all possible meanes to attain thereto and if this be not the true sense of the place I have lost my tast good Reader judge Now to come home to the point to prove Baptisme the entring Ordinance into the visible body of Christ The Text saith plainly of Baptisme that it was INTO JESUS CHRIST Now how into Christ but into the mystical body of Christ the Church which in the 1 Corin. 12.12 is ca●led Christ for as the body is one and hath many members and all the members of that one body being many are one body SO ALSO IS CHRIST meaning in respect of the Church which is his mistical body where though there be many members yet all make but one body as 1 Cor 12.13 saith the gate and entrance whereinto is by the door of Baptisme But in this point having the judgement of almost all the learned on our side I need say the less I shall therefore conclude as to this with offering the words of Vrsinus and Mr. Baxsters Argument with a word from the non-repeating it as to the same person Vrsinus in his Catechisme Baptisme is a Sacrament of entrance into the Church P 421 whence it cometh that the Supper is presented to none except first baptised As a Souldier before listing and a King before crowning and taking his Oath Plain Scriture proof P. 24. so are we he putteth in infants too Church members before Baptisme But as every one that must be admitted solemnly into the Army must be admitted by listing as the solemn engaging sign SO EVERY ONE THAT HATH RIGHT TO BE SOLEMNLY ADMITTED INTO THE VISIBLE CHURCH must ordinarily be admitted by Baptisme I prove it thus If we have neither precept nor example in Scripture since Christ ordained Baptisme of any other way of admitting visible Members but onely by Baptism then all that must be admitted visible Members must ordinarily be baptised But since Baptisme was instituted we have no precept or example of admitting visible Members any other way but constant precept and example for admitting this way Therefore all that must be admitted visible Members MUST be baptised I know not what in any shew of reason can be said to this by those that RENOUNCE not Scripture Mark well Mr. Baxster thinks they that bold men may be visible members without Baptisme renounce the Word of God for their rule For what man dare go in a way that hath neither precept nor example to warrant it from a way that hath a full current of both Yet they that will admit Members into the Church without Baptisme do so And what can any man in reason imagine to be the ground why Baptisme is but once practised whereas prayer and hearing and breaking bread frequent but onely this that God in the Ordinance of Baptisme hath in some respect a different design though in many other respects the very same as I shall shew hereafter and wherein can any one conceive that difference to lie but here that it is the Rite of entrance into the body of Christ and consequently no need of reiterating it no more than there is of being twice made free of the City or twice listed into an Army Some I find make a question whether Baptisme should not be repeated in respect of the same person which is strange considering that though Christ in the Commission ordereth the Apostles to Teach the Disciples again there is not a word of baptising again Math. 18.20 neither did the Apostles ever baptise any into the Name of Christ twice that we find in Scripture and surely they both knew and practised the mind of Christ 1 Cor. 11.1 Phil. 3 17. and we are charged to follow their example and to mark those which walk contrary to avoid them From these premises it is clear enough that Baptisme is in the wisdom of Christ the Ordinance of entrance into the visible Church or Body of Christ and consequently there can be no regular enjoying the priviledges due to the body before it The truth is to admit unbaptised persons to all the priviledges of Church communion is as irregular and disorderly as to admit the Mayor to the grand priviledges of the chair before he hath been sworn to the faithful service of the City 3. To prove baptised persons sitting down in Church bodies with unbaptised disorderly I prove it thus That practise which bringeth down the esteem of Baptisme and maketh it slighted is against the Order of Christ But for Disciples that are baptised to walk together in a Church body with unbaptised bringeth down the esteem of Baptisme and maketh it sleighted That it is against the Order of Christ that any thing should be practised to prejudice the primitive esteem of Baptisme appeareth 1. By Christs joyning it
with Teaching in the Commission without the least hint of parting them Math. 28. 2. By promising the same presence to the end of the world as well to Baptising as Teaching 3. By the singular use of Baptisme to all Beleivers in all ages of which more hereafter which I suppose maketh Mr. Baxster call Baptisme a great Ordinance P. 302. Of plain Scripture But for persons that are baptised to sit down in a Church body with unbaptised will make Baptisme sleighted I prove thus If unbaptised Disciples enjoy all the self same priviledges of the Church that baptised persons do which they do if they sit down together in a Church body then must the reputation of Baptisme needs be in danger 1. Because it admiteth to no priviledge of the Church but what may be had without it 2. Because the act of Baptisme is irksome to the flesh which if not ballanced by some considerable advantage will upon that account suffer if this be not reason set them to judge that are least esteemed in the Church 4 That practise which consulteth the loss and spiritual dammage of the Disciples can never be an orderly practise But for baptised Disciples to admit of unbaptised into full communion is to consult their losse and spiritual dammage That to admit Disciples to full Communion before baptisme is to consult their loss I prove thus If they are not baptised before joyning in probability they are not like to be after because such confused joyning secretly whispereth a low esteem of the Ordinance even by the baptised themselves otherwise they would not hold their communion without it having no such president in the Word 2. Because the act is unpleasing to the flesh 3. because they are in possession of the priviledges of the Church without it and consequently one great Argument of considering the grounds of it is as it were over so that it is a rare thing if ever they be brought to submit Now not to obey every Ordinance of Christ must needs be a losse to the Creature because in their institution as well as in the creation In wisdome he ordained them all aiming as well at the Creatures good as his own glory Therefore the Pharisees that reject Baptisme Luke 7.30 are said to reject the Counsell of God AGAINST themselves 5. That practice in the worship of God which in reason is like to lay the foundation of j●rrs discentions and discords in the Church can never be of Christs ordering because jarrs and discentions in the Church standeth in direct enmity to his interest wherefore he would not have the Church onely be at peace amongst themselves but as much as in them lieth live peaceably with ALL men But for persons that are baptised to sit down in Church bodies with unbaptised in all reason will breed jarrs Can two walk together except they be agreed I suppose he meaneth that they cannot walk comfortably together for otherwise they may walk together after a fashion besides such Interrogations in Scripture affirm with Emphasis the matter Interrogated So that when he saith CAN two walk together he would insinuate not onely some degrees of improbability but that it is next to an impossibility that they should maintain sweet communion but those words except they be agreed must be understood warily not of every light difference in opinion for then there would be little sweet communion in the Church at all there being few that agree in every thing But in matters of moment as this will easily be apprehended to be by any indifferent person that weigheth it it cannot lightly be but there must be jarrs discentions to the embittering their fellowship That difference about meats and dayes what trouble did it work in the Church at Rome Roman 14.3 Let not him that eateth DESPISE him that eateth not and let not him which eateth not JVDGE him that eateth yea at the 10. verse Why dost thou judge thy Brother why dost thou set at NOVGHT thy Brother So that despising judging and setting at nought followed that poor difference about meats and dayes What difference then in reason would this about Baptisme work when that one party namely the unbaptised shall look upon the other as practising will-worship and making their Religion ridiculous and adhering to a generation of men scarce worthy to live as now Mr. Goodwin thinketh of them And on the other hand the baptised they shall look upon their brethren sprinkling childrens faces presuming to call that the Ordinance of Baptisme which in their judgements is a meer mockery and doing it too in the Name of the Father Son and holy Spirit which in their apprehensions is little less than blasphemy How should these two parties of Beleivers walk together without sore differences and the more by how much the more zealous they are for the pure worship of God a luke-warm Spirit will best befit Churches of that constitution this is so plain a case that I think I need not proceed further in the demonstration 6. That practise which in the worship of God is not onely beside the custome of the first Churches which was settled by the Apostles but directly contrary can never be an orderly practise 1. Because they did what they did therein by special Commission 1 Cor. 11.23 2 Cor 10.8 2. We have no reason to doubt the faithfulness of the Apostles in excuting it for though they had frailties as other men yet in what they did in settling the religion of Christ they did by special direction and extraordinary assistance Math. 28.19 and so their example is as Lawes to us Excellent is Mr. Baxster to this point Moses being appointed to the forming of the old Church and Common-wealth of the Jews Saints Rest 212. to the building of the Tabernacle his precepts and examples in these works though we could not find his particular direction are to be taken as divine so also the Apostles having commission to form and order the Gospel Churches their doctrine and examples therein are by their general Commission warranted and their practise in stablishing the Lords day in settling the Officers and Orders of Churches are to us as Lawes still binding with those limitations as positives onely which give way to greater The ground of this position is because it is inconsistent with the wisdom of God and faithfulness too to set men to a work and promise to be with them and yet to forsake them and suffer them to erre in the building of that house which must endure to the end of the world That practise then in the worship of God which is directly contrary to Apostolical custome can never be orderly And Sir if I mistake not very much you have heretofore said as much to this point as any man in the world can say for you have these words in your fourth Caution for Reformation The best patternes and examples under heaven are but seducers in what they fall short of or besides the Word of
not him that eateth DESPISE him that eateth not But by despising them to understand the rejection of them from Church communion the Scripture saith no such thing and for you to say it it is to be guilty of that which you charge us with namely to take a half for a whole and to indulge a light appearance and to let it pass for an evident demonstration But 3. Suppose the word receive should respect the Communion of the Church and the Argument this That God having received the weak into communion with himself it is the Churches duty to receive ●hem into her communion Doth it follow from thence that it would be her duty to receive them disorderly into her communion To come a little closer Cornelius the person you instance in from Acts 10.25 being a fearer of God and worker of righteousness was ACCEPTED of God yet when God had a purpose to adde him to the visible Church of Christ he sendeth him to a Minister of Christ and inspireth him to command Cornelius to be baptized in the Name of the Lord Jesus Acts 10.48 Neither doth Peter notwithstanding he was convinced of his being a person accepted of God hold any Church communion with him before it what ever he did after 4. If fellowship with God give immediate right to full communion with the Church simply upon that account then not onely the godly of the Presbyterians have such a right but the Episcopal party too nay 't is probable a many in the darkness of Popery for I suppose no body can be so uncharitable as to think there are no persons there upright nay to shew the unreasonableness of this opinion I could go further and say Pagans debt and Dowry p. 14. many amongst the Heathen which in your judgement may be in the state of grace These and all these have a present actual immediate right to Church communion In a word as this principle was contrary to your judgement heretofore so also hath your practise been ever since you took up the Church way I remember not one man that ever sat down with the Church in the constant fellowship thereof but was orderly joyn'd according to the Independant principles Nor one man that ever occasionally broak bread with the Church but it was matter of offence to some except they were members of some Church or other Who then may not see whose eyes are not too heavy to open what a strait your opposing us bringeth you too namely to turn head upon the principles of the way you walk in and your own constant practise and what man is he who doth not glory in men whose faith and practise standeth not in the wisdome of men but in the power of God 1 Cor. 3.21 1 Cor. 2.5 James 2.1 and that hath not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ with respect of persons but must conceive with jealousies as strong as death that that cause which you now plead is not right which putteth so learned a man as your self to so desperate a losse Your fifth Consideration for substance this THat learned men are not agreed about the exact signification of the word BAPTIZO whether it be to dip or not therefore not fit for any much less such illiterate ones to determine it and build so great a matter upon it To which I answer 1. What considerable advantage would it be to us to know the original at this point it seemeth all the knowledge of the learned worketh not union in judgement about it you confess they are not agreed for all that But 2. Whether learned men can agree about the signification of the word BAPTIZO or no it is of little consideration to us in this case because the Spirit of God hath interpreted it to our hand in the holy Scripture elsewhere namely in the 6. of Romans 4. and Colos 2.12 Therefore we are BURIED with him by Baptisme Again being BURIED with him in Baptisme wherein also we are risen with him besides many other places So that if these Scriptures speak of water Baptisme which is but few mens question That one of them doth I have proved already and would the other if need required it there must be a buriall of the body in water where the Baptisme of the Gospel of Christ is rightly administred otherwise it is none of the Baptisme of Christ and the Apostles and Primitive Churches The late Annotators are much to be commended for their honest and upright dealing with the Scripture herein upon this 4 verse of the 6. Romans these words Buried with him by Baptisme in this phrase say they the Apostle seemeth to allude to the antient manner of Baptism which was to dip the parties baptised and as it were to bury them under the water for a while and then to draw them out of it and lift them up to represent the buriall of our old Man and our Resurrection to newness of life Again upon the 8. of Acts 38. these words They both went down into the water and he baptised him They were wont say they to go● down into the water and dip the whole body As in the 3. Math. 16. So that their judgement of the Text there also And Jesus when he was baptized went up straight way out of the water I say their judgement is that his body was dipt by John in Jordan and who can think otherwise with reason for to what purpose should he go to the River to be baptised but because there would be a want of much water And how clear is this apprehension to an unprejudiced mind since that the abundance of water is given for the reason of Johns baptising at Enon John 3.23 And John also was baptising in Enon near to Salim because there was MVCH WATER there But besides the 3. Math. 16. saith of Jesus that when he was baptised he went Up straitway OUT of the water And so Mark 1.9 10. and how could he be said to go up out of the water except he first went down into it As the Scripture saith expresly of Phillip and the Eunuch I say as expresly as they can speak read else Acts 8.38 And Phillip and the Eunuch went both DOWN INTO the water and he baptised him and when they were come Up OUT of the water And can any body with any shew of reason conceive that they went down into the water to be sprinkled of the face Justin Martyr therefore telleth us that in their Baptisme they were BORN of water which he propoundeth as their practise from the Primitive custome Mr. Baxster Saints Rest p. 179. Now the whole man its coming out of the womb of the water hath a perfect Analogy to a natural birth to which he doth allude but in the sprinkling of the face there is no likeness at all to any such thing as a birth Calvin himself as much a friend as he was to Infant-sprinkling yet was so honest as to affirm its practise was not from the
thou art that judgest for wherein thou judgest another thou condemnest thy self for thou that judgest another dost the same thing Roman 2.1 If you will needs find fault with us you must repent and return to the Parish again As to your odious foul language of sacrilegious Church-breakers I answer 1 Pet. 2.20 21 22 23. hereunto are we called from the example of Christ when we are reviled not to revile again but to commit ourselves to him that judgeth righteously Your eleventh Consideration followeth and for substance this THat Baptisme is no constituting principle of a true Church yea probably no part of Churchship or the visibility thereof and that the Apostles did not so look upon it as being either 1. Because in his inscription to the Churches be mentioneth their sanctification calling to be Saints c. but not their Baptisme 2. It is not mentioned by way of commendation either of Church or person more than the observance of other Ordinances That Baptisme is so essential to a right raised Church of Christ that without it there can be none in the right order of the Gospel I have proved already in my Answer to your third Consideration To the Reasons you give why the Apostles did not look upon the Baptisme of the Churches as any part of their churchship or visibility thereof I shall now address my self to make answer Your first is because in the inscription of his Epistles to the Churches he mentioneth their faith with divers other things but not their Baptisme If this be ground to presume that the Apostles looked not upon their Baptisme as any part of their-churchship or visibility thereof then neither was their preaching or hearing the Word nor breaking bread nor watching over one another nor admonition in case of sin neither is the great duty of prayer any part of their churchship or visibility thereof for there is none of all these mentioned by name in the inscriptions of his Epistles to the Churches but I know it is farre from Mr. Goodwin to say that these duties were no part of their churchship or visibility thereof and if these were not I marvell what were This therefore is so farre from being a reason that it hath scarce the appearance of one But 2. You say it is not mentioned in Scripture by way of commendation more than other Ordinances Here Sir but with respect to your gravity and my own obligation of respects to you I must crave leave for the truth sake to say that our affirming there can be no true raised Church without Baptisme doth not force us to find that Baptisme must be commended in Scripture above other Ordinances nothing lieth upon us but to shew what service Christ hath appointed it to and not what preheminence of commendation the Scriptures give to it above other Ordinances neither doth Christs choise of this Ordinance for the service we speak of necessarily imploy the superexcellency of it above others no more than faith its justifying us and not love proveth faith to be a more noble grace in the nature of it than love love is said to be greater than either faith or hope 1 Corinth 18.13 love being a giving grace having the whole world for its object but faith a receiving yet notwithstanding the honour of that high and excellent service of our first justification is given to faith and not to love Rom. 5.1 Gal. 2.16 So here though Baptisme should be found a lesse noble act of obedience than some others yet it will not follow from thence that it s not the Ordinance of initiation into the visible body of Christ For a Souldier to behave himself worthily as a Souldier more commendeth him to God and men than his listing himself yet is he not reputed a member of the Army without it Let this therefore suffice to be spoken against all the insinuations you give throughout your book against Baptismes having the honour of entring persons into the visible body of Christ because of the meanness of it least you be found reproveable for objecting against Baptisme for the bodies visible incorporation as the Jews was against faith for justification because to them works seemed more sightly and agreeable to their reason Your twelfth Consideration for substance this VVHen the Apostle Paul instructeth Christian Churches what manner of persons they are who are unmeet for Christian communion he mentioneth fornicators 1 Cor. 5.11 2 Thes 3.6 covetous railers and the like but never unbaptised persons 'T is true Paul was wiser than to write any thing in his Epistles to the Churches by which he should suppose them guilty of that wherein he knew they were not in fault doth he not write to the whole Church of Corinth 1 Corinth 1.13 Were ye baptised in the Name of Paul nay 1 Cor. 12.13 Doth he not say We are ALL baptised And doth he not praise them 1 Corinth 11.2 that for the matter of Ordinances they had kept them AS he delivered them unto them and he delivered them from Christ 1 Corinth 11.1 and we have proved already that Christs Order was to baptise all the Disciples presently without delay And if all that hath been said in answer to your third Consideration be not enough to this point I heartily desire the Reader to lay to heart that which followeth To prove that no persons were reputed of the visible body of Christ before Baptisme and consequently farre enough from sitting down in Church societies without it I prove from the 4. of the Ephesians 4 5. There is one body which at the 12. verse is in plain termes and in words at length called the body of Christ Now that by the word body he did not mean it onely of the particular Church of Ephesus or any other particular Church of Christ but of the universal body of Christ it appeareth by that which he affirmeth concerning the body which belongeth no more to the Church of Ephesus than to any single Christian yea those many things wherein they are one he affirmeth as belonging to them in common with all the Scripture Christians in the world Now to accommodate his design of peace and love in the body he proceedeth to mention the many things wherein that body is one which he delivereth as so many notable Characteristical marks whereby all the members of that body may be known from all the world upon these marks I would fix the eye of the Reader behold then the Scripture marks of all the members of the visible body of Christ 1. They have one Spirit 2. One Hope 3. One Lord. 4. One Faith 5. One BAPTISME 6. One God and Father of all who is above all and in all and hath Christ linked their oneness in Baptisme with their union in those other things yea placed it in the order of words before their oneness in respect of God who is the Father of them all as being altogether the characters of a member of that body we speak of
and doth he speak according to the form of wholsome words that saith men may be visible members without it or will Christ hold that man guiltless that striveth to break this chain which he in wisdome hath linked together That the Text speaketh of reall proper Baptisme with water and not of metaphorical it appeareth 1. As for that which some conceive though untruly the Baptisme of the Spirit namely the common fruits of the Spirit such as faith that he spoke of before as that wherein they were one in distinction from Baptisme Secondly As for that which is in truth the Baptisme of the Spirit namely speaking with tongues and the like that cannot be meant because the Baptisme here is affirmed of all the members of the body of whom that cannot be truly said I understand therefore by Baptisme in the fourth of the Epesians the Church Ordinance of Baptisme with water by which the Apostle affirmeth both Jewes and Gentiles put on Christ Gab 3.27 And further how can any one imagine with any shew of reason that in the primitive times there was any such confusion as the sitting down of baptised with unbaptised Disciples Since its plain 1. That Christ commanded their baptisme presently after discipling 2. That the Apostles so practised it as we find in every example 3. Where any backwardness appeared the Servants of God hastened the Disciples to Baptisme Arise Acts 22.16 why tarriest thou saith Ananias to Paul And truly it is a remarkable thing that though Paul had fasted three dayes yet after his discipling he is hastened to Baptisme before he is permitted to eat meat Acts 9.18 4. We read not of one discipled person that ever refused Baptisme 5. Considering the judgement of the Spirit of God concerning those Rabbi men that did refuse Baptisme or Johns Ministry whereof Baptisme was a part which was Luke 7.29 that they rejected the counsell of God against themselves I say considering all this with what is offered in Answer to your third Consideration it is I humbly apprehend one of the most unreasonable apprehensions that ever was founded upon the Scriptures And now let the world judge whose building is Babel whether ours that answereth the Rule to a hairs breadth or yours which is quite besides it and here Sir we challenge you to make out your opinion and practise from the Scripture as we make out ours or else your great words rhetoricall flourishes angry invectives being in a manner the best of your strength wherewith you fight with us must all goe for tubbish and dirt But you say in case you should releive the poor and grant us that the Sun shineth at noon-day that in the Primitive times was no such confusion of baptised Disciples holding communion with unbaptised yet how we know that in case there had been any unbaptised brethren whether the Apostle would have prohibited communion with them as well as with fornicators To this I answer if by communion be meant that full communion which orderly Churches enjoy I make little doubt but he would 1. Because he was so full of this point of advising the Disciples to punctuality in the point of order Col. 2.6 1 Cor. 14.40 2. Because he praised the Church of Corinth for keeping the Ordinances AS he delivered them unto them 1 Cor. 11.2 3. Because order he looked upon as a beautiful thing and rejoyced to behold it in the Church of Colosse Colos 2.5 4. Because he cautioneth the Church to take heed of Philosophers that through vain deceit would bring them to disorder Col. 2.8 5. Because when any disorder grew in the Church he took such care to have them corrected Titus 1.5 6. Because he saith his word was not yea and nay 2 Cor. 1.18 as fallible mens are now being guided in his orders by an infallible spirit So that to ask whether Paul would not have prohibited the Churches to hold communion with unbaptised persons is to ask whether Paul would not pull down with one hand what he buildeth up with another But good Reader Mr. Goodwin asketh us one question and I would ask thee another and it is whether thou dost not think in thy conscience Mr. Goodwin hath the wrong end of the staffe in this controversie and whether the putting this question do not discover it and who it is that buildeth upon light conjectures loose suppositions presumptuous self-imaginations Mr. Goodwin or his poor brethren of the dip as he calleth them Your thirteenth Consideration for substance this BAptisme is at some seasons offensive burthensome and grievous to the flesh and that for Men and Women especially being weak and tender of constitution to submit to it in winter and cold seasons is as expresse a tempting of God as passing through the fire would be To which I answer 1. Experience hath proved this to be the vainest insinuation of all the rest there being not one person that I ever yet knew since we came into this way young or old though baptised in the depth of winter that ever suffered any thing in their health to the value of the least hair of their head yea some that have been aged and weak in body have professed that since the time of their obedience to Christ in this Ordinance of his they have not found those weaknesses that formerly they were troubled with no question but in case of sickness God will have mercy and not sacrifice and God will accept the wills of such for their deed but will that excuse those that are in health or doth Mr. Goodwin think that scores of persons I might say hundreds of aged and weak persons that have been baptised without dammage might have pass'd through the fire with as little hurt or if indeed Mr. Goodwin hath reason to judge the danger to be so great Then 2. Is it not a notable Argument to perswade Mr. Goodwin to cast in his lot with these men because these God knoweth above all the Professors of Religion in the world besides because though miracles are ceased and dead as to others yet it seemeth are alive to them and they daily find the manifestation of Gods out-stretched arm for their preservation that as God took care of the Jewes when they went up to worship at Jerusalem that it should not enter into the heart of their enemy to invade their Land so doth he order the element of water that the worshippers of Christ by being born of it shall have no losse their bodily health shall not be invaded by it But 3. It is very true that the spiritual design of Christ in Baptisme being partly to represent Christs death for ●s and to oblige us to the death of all sin it hath pleased him and that in great wisdome to order the buriall of the body in the element of water that the bitter sufferings of the Lord Jesus for sinners may be remembred by the help of that sensible sign wherein Nature hath a gentle taft of some suffering though
way of God whereby you seek to pervert the strait wayes of the Lord I shall say little but Lord lay not this sin to your charge Suppose they should do so ought the errors of men to be indulged or corrected onely let me mind you of your own words which as at many other times so at this rise up in judgement against you Sir in one of your Letters to Mr. Tho. Goodwin p. 11. you have these words If we judged it any advantage to the truth and cause we maintain against you we durst vye morrall imputations with you and are confident that we could assign and suggest against you both as many and as likely indirect and fleshly grounds for your departure from us as you can against us for keeping our first standing and profession BVT the truth will never be made GREAT by such demonstrations or arguments as these on either side If Mr. Goodwin thinkes the truth will never be made great by such demonstrations as these it is because he judgeth there is no reason why it should and if so as on the one hand it condemneth him for using them so on the other hand it justly begetteth suspition of error concerning that opinion that such Arguments are used to maintain But to proceed you say that as to another end of Baptisme namely the obliging persons to be the loyal Disciples of Christ you say your Infant-sprinkling or baptisme is as operative that way upon the Conscience as out Baptisme is upon ours or would be upon yours if you should come under it Here is two things affirmed but neither of them proved nor indeed is it possible to prove them one is that your Baptisme is as bearing upon your conscience to become Christs Disciples as our Baptisme is upon ours this is a thing which you affirm at randome not knowing how the baptisme of those that are indeed rightly baptised and that take up the wayes of God in uprightness I say how it heareth upon them nor ever are like to doe because your prejudice is grown so great that you know not how to interpret any action they doe charitably nor scarce word they say Another thing you affirm is that your Infant-baptisme is as bearing upon your conscience as ours would be if you came under it and how can you tell that without tryall Truly Sir I should hope that passing under that figure wherein in so fully represented Christs death buriall and resurrection and your death buriall and resurrection with him being approached unto in the Name and fear of God and in obedience to Jesus Christ that it might be a meanes of killing that spirit of cruelty that haunteth your pen in many of your controvert all writings to the dishonour of God and discredit of the opinion you maintain in them the strait wayes of truth as they have no need of the crooked wayes of sin to build them with so they are never like to be built by them But thirdly and lastly You say your Infant-baptisme is as edifying and comforting To which I answer You must first prove it to be of Christs appointing or else you impose upon us to beleive that the Spirit of God which is the Spirit of edification and comfort will take as much pleasure to concurre with mens inventions as his own Ordinances which is quite contrary to the Scripture Mark 7.7 In vain doe they worship me teaching for doctrines the traditions of men But 2. You say your soules have thriven under that Baptisme 'T is probable so but that doth not prove it was by the meanes of Infant-baptisme of which you are ignorant whether ever any such thing was done or no onely that you have heard so if this arguing be like Mr. Goodwin in other things I am much mistaken Christ telleth the Jewes John 649. That their Fathers did eat Mannah in the wilderness and are dead but can any body gather from hence that their death was caused by the eating of Mannah These are your own words p. 44. Of Water dipping And is not your reasoning in this place much after the same manner you were baptised in Infancy and thrive in godlinesse when grown up to yeares of discretion but it no more followeth that your thriving in godlinesse was by the meanes of your Infant-baptisme than that their death was caused by eating of Mannah And is it likely that ignorant worship of God should have any lively operation upon the soul much lesse that it should have as much as that which is done knowingly and voluntarily and bel●ivingly the soul having communion with God in it And why may you not as well say that hearing Sermons in infancy is as edifying as at age I know not Infants would understand as much of the one as of the other and when grown up it might be told them what was said then as well as now they are told what was done then in Baptisme is the darkness of the darkest night more void of light than this proposition is of truth Reader judge Your seventeenth Consideration for substance this IT doth not appear from Scripture that any Church of Christ or embodied Society of Beleivers was commanded by Christ or the Apostles to be dipt nor yet threatned or reproved for the non-practise of dipping I answer It is very true because the Apostles did not use to spend their breath in vain they would not command that to be done twice which Christ had ordered to be done but once nor to reprove where there was no cause If you would have the Reader feel any weight in this Argument you are bound to find us a Society of embodied Beleivers undipt which is a task too hard for you but yet this light supposition is the very foundation of your Argument which being rotten and sandy the building falleth of it self I need say no more to it Your eighteenth Consideration for substance this THat it is more than any of us will be ever able to prove that there is any precept of Christ whereby it is made sinful for any person whatsoever not to be baptised in one form or other 1. Because it can be no sin to be undipt whilst there is no legal Adminstrator 2. Because the Commission to baptise is given to the Apostles onely 3. Because they were not enjoyned to baptise any person against their wils 4. It is hard to know what is the Antecedent to the Pronoune THEM in the Commission or whom or what persons they are whom our Saviour here authorizeth his Apostles to baptise 5. In the Commission is no Command laid upon any person to be baptised 6. Neither doth it appear from those words teaching them to observe whatsoever I have commanded you that the Apostles did teach Beleivers to require Baptisme of them 7. It appeareth not that the Apostles in the course of their Ministry did ever teach either Church or person to seek baptisme at their hand 8. Though that should be granted yet it followeth not
some others and put it in the Commission by name with Teaching and ordained it in some sence or other to serve the grand interest of remission of sins and salvation Acts 2.38 Mar. 16.16 Mat. 28.19 and gave such a particular charge to have it done with so great solemnity even In the Name of the Father Son and holy Spirit Now what is the foundation of the standing of any of the Ordinances but the unrepealed Word of God which as much respecteth Baptisme as any other therefore disparage Baptisme and disparage all they live they die they stand they ●all together But 2. That to conceive Baptisme out of date tendeth to the destruction of the more spiritual part of Religion namely that which consisteth in a holy frame of heart and life I prove thus If the use of Ordinances be the soules edification then to dis-use them is the way to make havock of all our spiritual treasure but to conceive Baptisme out of date is the way not onely to disuse that Ordinance but all others because they all stand upon the same bottome as I have proved already Now that the use of Ordinances is the edification of the soul appeareth by many Scriptures Ephes 4.11 12 13 14 15 16. and that Baptisme by name hath a rich tendency to edification I have proved already at large by shewing the design of God in it which is to affect the heart by the death buriall and resurrection of Christ in that Ordinance SEEN as well as in the Gospel preached those truths are HEARD with other respects of edification which I shall not now mention But for more full satisfaction at this point let me give Mr. Goodwins judgement concerning the edifying nature of Baptisme p. 26. of his water dipping 1. That it is operative to the engaging the judgement and conscience to become the loyall Disciples of Christ And 2. the building up of the inward man in grace and peace If so how cometh so many suggestions from you rendering the standing of Baptisme doubtful Hath Christ appointed more wayes of teaching the Gospel and building up the inner man in grace than needs and might you not as well think that God intended to make darlings of the Christians in the first times and but step-children of all the rest of Beleivers to the end of the world as to think that he would take from them any part of the meanes of their edification and spiritual comfort and not give them others in the room I conclude then and I hope with evidence clear enough that Baptisme was not onely intended by God for an introductory Ordinance to last for a time but for a staple standing Ordinance with Teaching to the end of the world and that too ordained for the Creatures good and consequently as sinful a thing to neglect it as it would be to neglect ones daily bread If all that hath been said be not enough to satisfie the Reader concerning the standing of Baptisme I referre thee to Mr. Baxster P. 542. Of plan Scripture proof who hath in his book of Baptisme offered ten Arguments all grounded upon the plain Text of Scripture to prove it and in the end concludeth thus I will add no more because it is but on the by and because this is sufficient to those that can judge of Scripture evidence when they hear it and will be ruled by it when they know it and for others it is not many words that can cure their disease And if any body think me over zealous in this matter let them consider the words of Calvin p. 208. of his Commentary upon the Acts though he doth most ingenuously confess that since the beginning the Church did grant liberty to her self to CHANGE the Rites meaning from putting all the body into the water to sprinkling Now the use saith he is to sprinkle the body or the head But though they took the boldness to do that which Calvin justifieth the Church in yet for the continuance of Baptisme it self we ought rather saith he to fight a hundred times to death for the ceremony it self of Baptisme in as much as it was delivered us by Christ then that we should suffer the same to be taken from us But I say that there is the same reason to fight a hundred times to death for the right subject and the right form of administring it 1. Because God is wiser than men and because any body with half an eye may see that the change from dipping to sprinkling frustrateth the great design of Christ in the Ordinance it self as I have shewn already and in a manner maketh it useless and because changing of the Ordinances we find to be a hainous provoking thing to God of old Isaiah 24.5 The earth mourneth and fadeth away the earth also is defiled with the Inhabitants thereof because they have transgressed the Lawes CHANGED the Ordinance Mark not for a totall laying aside of them onely but for transgressing the rule and changing them yea the 29.16 Mark how hainously God taketh the wise mens turning things upside down I say mark all yee wise men and consider Surely your TVRNING things upside down shall be esteemed as the Potters clay yea he threateneth at the 14. verse for this very reason that their FEAR that is their worship was taught after the precepts of men The WISDOME of their WISE men should perish and the understanding of the prudent should be hid And if any one ask why God was so severe upon this account the conclusion of the 16. verse telleth all Shall the thing framed say of him that framed it HE HAD NO UNDERSTANDING This then is the account God maketh of mens changing the Ordinances that it is a reflexion upon God as if he wanted understanding changing Gods Lawes is no other but a charging God with that weakness which poor fallible men are subject unto which maketh them many times upon experience to change theirs Come close then oh world and discern the difference between us and our adversaries and judge whether our brethren that hate us and cast out our name as evill have any just ground for what they doe the difference is easily seen they have changed the great Ordinance of Baptisme thou seest Calvin honestly confesseth it whereas we think Christ wiser than Calvin or the Church he speaketh of and have we not reason for it and that instead of changing his Laws it becometh us to be humbly obedient to his Lawes and do not we do well in it They think they have mended the Ordinances we think they have spoiled them and do plainly see the ground of their first tampering with them was pomp profit and ease and that it is our duty Jude the 3. on Christs behalf to endeavour with all our might the recovery of them to their primitive purity As I have given thee good Reader the judgement of Calvin as to the form of baptising of old so take his words about the subject p.
Answer is ready 1. It appeareth clearly these persons the Text speaketh of were baptised persons Acts 10.47 48. 2. The Communion Peter had with them was after their Baptisme for presently upon the testimony of their faith by Gods giving them the gift of the holy Ghost Peter commanded them to be baptised in the Name of the Lord which was the manner of Peter and the rest in the course of their ministry Now if Mr. Goodwin could prove Peter broke bread with them between the time of their faith and Baptisme which is the matter Mr. Goodwin would prove lawfull by it then it were something to favour his cause but not home to the point neither because an occasional act with some few persons will not justifie the constant proceedings of a Church But why doth Mr. Goodwin think that this instance will prove mixt communion lawful Because Peter in his justification when questioned for eating with Cornelius insisted onely upon Cornelius his having the holy Ghost not his Baptisme To which I answer 1. The Scriptures silence doth not prove that he did not mention his Baptisme and insist on it too because the Scriptures doth not contain all the Apostles sayings Acts 2.40 With many other words did he testifie and exhort saying So John the Baptist Luke 3.18 with many other words 2. There was no necessity upon Peter for the justification of his eating with Cornelius to mention his Baptisme by name though he could not have communion with him without it because in those dayes a beleiving person and a baptised person was presumed the same Paul proveth they all beleived because they were baptised Gal. 3.27 And that 1. Because by the Commission of Christ all Beleivers were presently to be baptised Math. 28.19 And 2. Because none but such was the regular subjects of it Acts. 8.37 And 3. Because it was the constant practise of the Servants of God to call the Beleivers to Baptisme without delay Acts 22.16 So that the Apostles and Brethren understood him sufficiently as to their Baptisme by telling them of their having the holy Ghost as a testimony of their faith If they did not take that for granted it must be either because they doubted his understanding of the Commission of Christ or else his faithfulness in executing it or else their will to be baptised but there was no cause to doubt either nor Peters understanding the Commission or faithfulness in executing it because they had experience before of Peter in the case of the three thousand Acts 2.41 who the same day that they gladly received the word were baptised not their willingness Acts 10.33 because Cornelius was so ready to obey God in every thing that he had but a few fellows so that the mentioning of his Baptisme would have been like a kind of an impertinency 3. There was no necessity upon him to mention their Baptisme by name in his justification of eating with them though he could not have communion with them without it Because it is common both in Scripture language and common converse with men to include all appurtenances in the mention onely of some cheif part see for this John 5.44 Galat. 3.23 Galat. 3.2 Roman 10.8 Mat. 21.25 Acts 10.37 Johns Baptisme put for his whole Ministry Luke 7.30 Calvin calleth Baptisme an app●rtenance of faith p. 207. of his Commentary of the Acts. And no doubt this language was well enough known and understoood by the Apostles and Elders so that having mentioned the holy Ghosts coming on them as a testimony of their faith what need had he to draw it out in words at length that they were baptised and thus thou seest good Reader how Mr. Goodwin indulgeth every light appearance from the Scripture being passionately desirous to make that strait which God hath made crooked Your twenty one Consideration for substance this THat Pastors and Teachers were given by Christ that all Saints one or other should be perfected by them and the whole body of Christ edified then certainly they have all right to Church-fellowship inasmuch as they have their callings onely by and resident in Churches neither are they in any probable way of perfecting them but onely when and whilst they are incorporated with them in their Churches respectively Eph. 4.8 11 12. To which I answer 1. It s true that Pastors and Teachers were given by Christ that all Saints should be perfected by them but it is as evident the Saints this Text speaketh of for whom they were given in speciall to serve as Officers in the Church and who had power to give them their call they were such Saints as were of the visible body of Christ who as they had other characteristical marks of the members of that body namely to have one God one Spirit one Hope one Lord one Faith so one BAPTISME consult the 4. and 5. verses of this 4. of Ephesians which Text Mr. Goodwin groundeth his Argument upon and you will find it so and although other persons that were discipled by the word taught but yet had not put on Christ visibly by baptisme into his Name The gifts of Pastors and Teachers were given for the perfecting of them too yet but secondarily not primarily those gifts primarily respect the body of Christ so marked as before is noted 't is plain in the 12. verse For the edifying of the BODY of Christ That unbaptised persons were not then reputed of the visible body of Christ I have proved at large already and although they might be Saints before Baptisme in the sight of God yet in the account of the Church none passe for Saints till then because their faith it self in Christ which maketh Saints could not be clear to the Church till then and that because Baptisme being one of the beginning doctrines of Christ Heb. 6.2 Acts 2.38 Mar. 16 16. and preached by the Apostles as a duty with repentance and faith and that in order to remission of sins and salvation in some sense or other should any man have stuck at it and refused Baptisme what ground would the Church have had to look upon the faith of such as sound nay had they not all the reason in the world to doubt the soundness of it because the character of a true lively saith would be found wanting namely universal obedience and they rejecters of the counsel of God Nothing in reason could appear as a ground to refuse it but the danger of the crosse following it I conclude then that though the truth of their faith made them Saints before God yet without publick profession of their faith by Baptisme they were not owned for Saints by the Church or any such persons whose faith was of the right kind let their professions otherwise be that they would be This is clearly the doctrine of the 3. Galat. 27. Ye are all the children of God by faith FOR mark as many of you as have been baptised into Christ have put on Christ he proveth their
institution So that from the words of the institution in conjunction with the end of the Ordinance Vrsin gathereth and that according to pure reason that it ought often to be celebrated But to put it out of all doubt to the godly Reader that these words AS OFT as ye doe it doth not imply any liberty to neglect it without sin but the just contrary Consider that known general rule to judge of all doctrines The true doctrine of the Gospel is a doctrine according to godliness that is out of all dispute Now then bring that interpretation to the standard which saith that those words of the institution As oft as ye doe it imply it s not being imposed upon any man as of necessity but much like the free-will Offering under the Law Is this interpretation according to godliness or rather ungodliness may not Mr. Goodwin as well say it is a doctrine according to health for a man to neglect the food by which he liveth The design of Christ in this Ordinance is to keep alive the memories of Christs death and passion for us with all the benefits thereof 1 Corinth 11. to confirm faith to convey succouring vertue from Christ to releive the soul against temptation to quicken affection to Christ and one another as all agree and would it be according to godliness to be under a liberty to disuse it without sin may not Mr. Goodwin as well say we are under a liberty not to honour Christ or doe our selves or the world good And as for any similitude between the Ordinances of the Gospel in particular this and the free-will Offering under the Law Surely Sir you are under a wonderful mistake because the free-will Offerings were not positively commanded and therefore have the name of free-will Offerings whereas the Lord Supper is positively commanded 1 Corinth 11.24 25. And when he had given thanks he said take eat this is my body THIS DOE in remembrance c. After the same manner also he took the cup and said THIS DOE So that though there be not a determinate time how oft they should doe it yet here is a positive order to the Churches to doe it and therefore could not be neglected without sin but for the free-will Offerings under the Law they were not bound to offer them at all 't is therefore true as you say this kind of Offering was imposed upon no man by way of necessity but it is because there was no Law positively enjoyning them and consequently no sin at all to neglect them What a vast difference then is there between external Ordinances under the Gospel and the free-will Offering under the Law even as much as between a matter commanded and that which is not Sir you say our way hath a face of godliness but a heart of errour and prophaneness But Sir should you live to these principles which I am perswaded you are a better man than ever to do our way would be before yours though what you say were true of it ours you say hath a face of godliness though it hath a heart of error but yours would have neither face nor heart And though you your self never practise that looseness that these pleadings directly tend to the Lord knoweth how many others may be ensnared by them which in my apprehension you ought sadly to lay to heart Let us not therefore judge one another any more but judge this rather that no man put a stumbling block or an occasion to fall in his brothers way Rom. 14.13 A seventh Scripture which in my apprehension is a brother in the same complaint with those which are past is Gal. 5.6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing nor uncircumcision but faith which worketh by love From hence you say That the Apostle by shutting out Circumcision instance wise with Vncircumcision and letting in onely Faith the new Creature P. 81. Of Water dip with keeping the Commandments of God as available he shut out BAPTISME also and all ceremonial practications whatsoever This consequence is an absolute stranger to the premises for though the Apostle shut out Circumcision and uncircumcision and let in onely Faith the new Creature and keeping the Commands of God as available it followeth not from hence that he shut out Baptisme as available If onely such things are shut out as available which are no commands of God then Baptisme is not shut out because Baptisme is the command of God But onely such things are shut out as available that are no commands of God That onely such things are shut out as unavailable that are no commands of God appeareth by their being opposed to those that are Mark the Text Neither Circumcision nor Vncircumcision availeth BUT KEEPING THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD. To inferre therefore from Circumcisions unavailableness which is none of the Commandment of God to Baptisme its being so which is the Command of God and that serving the grand interest of the Creature even that of remission of sins and salvation in some sense which must either be acknowledged or the Scriptures renounced Acts 2.38 Mark 16.16 I say to make such inferences is rather to say what one would have than what is and to intreat the Scripture to look towards what YOU would have rather than in humility to be subject to what THEY would have Reader judge else But 2. If the Apostles intention was to shut out nothing at all by those words NOR UNCIRCUMCISION then your apprehension of Baptisme its being shut out as available falleth to the ground because you suppose its exclusion lieth wrapt up in those words But the Apostle shut out nothing at all nor intended the shutting out of any thing by those words NOR UNCIRCUMCISION That he intended not the shutting out of any thing at all one thing or other by those words nor Vncircumcision but onely the notifying that being uncircumcised would not hinder the Gentiles acceptation with God now under the Gospel no more than circumcision would further it It appeareth first by comparing this Scripture with the 1 Corinth 7.18 19. the words as followeth Is any man called being circumcised that is is any Jew converted to the Gospel let him not become uncircumcised On the other hand Is any called in uncircumcision let him not be circumcised that is is any Gentile converted to the Gospel let him not make conscience of circumcision The next words which are the same with these in the Text are the reason why a converted Jew should not be troubled that he was circumcised nor the converted Gentile that he wanted it Mark CIRCUMCISION is nothing and UNCIRCUMCISION is nothing meaning that now since the Orders of the great Prophet came forth which all the world are bound to hear upon pain of death Acts 3.22 by which the state of the Church is altered now Circumcision is nothing that is availeth nothing to any mans acceptation with God whatever it did heretofore non Vncircumcision is nothing that is