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A89827 An answer to the booke called The perfect Pharisee under monkish holinesse: wherein is layd open, who they are that oppose the fundamentall principles of the doctrine of the Gospel, and the scripture practises, which the authors of that book would cast upon those they call Quakers, but are found to be themselves; who appear to be no ministers of the Gospel, but walke contrary to all that ever Christ sent forth in the scripture, scorning them who live the life of the scriptures, or are brought into the obedience of the same spirit. Published for no other end but to cleare the truth from the slanders of these men, who thereby goe about to deceive the simple, and keep them off from obedience to the truth. By one whom the world calls, James Nayler. Naylor, James, 1617?-1660. 1654 (1654) Wing N261; Thomason E735_2; ESTC R206955 29,772 36

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Christ is the Word is to destroy the Foundation of Faith to make the Scriptures lose their authority and diverse such like false conclusions I answer to build all upon him in whom all is fulfilled is to establish Faith and Scripture and all where it must stand as on the Foundation for Christ is the authority of all Scriptures and not the letter and in him they are all profitable and not else For your fourteenth Position that the spirits are not to be tryed by the Scripture I answer The infallible spirit which is the Originall of all Scriptures is the try●ll of all spirits and that spirituall man judgeth all things and by that spirit the saints was to judge of all spirits and gave those up to Sathan that was for that end as is p●aine 1 Corinth 5. 4 And by this spirit was the spirits tryed before the letter w●s and all that are guided by the spirit of God are the sons of God and are one and in one minde and have one rule and one Faith but you who have no guide but the Letter How many minds how many formes how many gods doe you worship and all pretend Scripture one wresting it one way another another way But what true tryall of spirits can you have here For you five though one spirit act you al● against the truth yet you have your severall wayes formes worships and spirits and all pretend Scriptures but who hath that true spirit of judgement is able to try you all and sees you all without and whereas you quote that place To the Law and to the testimony it is true The Law of the new covenant is written in the heart by God and the Testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophesie and if any be not guided by and speake according to these it is because they have not the light in them but without them and here you are whose light is without you and therefore it is that you speake contrary to them who speake from the true light in them even the witnesse in themselves Now all your false conclusions as that to be guided by the spirit is to draw the soule from the judgement of God and you citing Iohn Gilpin against the truth it is no more then if the chiefe Priests should have cited Iudas to have confuted Christ and the rest of the eleven Apostles which truth they owned and suffered for though he denyed it and consulted with the Priests to betray it as Iohn Gilpin hath done now who shall receive his reward and you Priests also For your fifteenth Position That there ought to be no sense meaning or exposition given or studying of the Scriptures I answer What hath been said before may suffice as to this onely the spirit gave out the Scriptures either perfect or not perfect If perfect then let them alone as they are and doe not darken them by your invented wisedome that they may be read and fulfilled in the Saints for that is the end for which they were given forth Not to trade with for Tythes and Money and here the practice of all the Saints shall witnesse against you for they were spoken by the holy men of God as they were moved by the holy Ghost and they were written to such as were come out of the world pride envie and covetousnesse Now you that live in those sins and filthy lusts and are of the world have nothing in them but your judgements that is to be accomplished upon you from the wrath of the Almighty and you that wrest them to pleade for sin are raized out of them for they were given to warue off sin and you that have not that infallible spirit that gave them forth what will you judge and open and expound them with for the serpents Wisedome is shut out of them and can doe nought but twine and wrest them to their owne destruction and keeping poore soules that beleeve you in sin and the fall who cannot witnesse their Redemption and freedome from sin but are fed with words and profession without life and power or hopes ever to have power while they live And though you alledge diverse which you say expounded yet not one of them will warrant your way of trading nor your covetous practises For your sixteenth Position They cry downe Baptisme with Water and the Lords Supper as being but types and shadows ceasing upon the appearance of Christ within them I answer You your selves doe not say that they are the spirituall substance but as for your Baptizing Infants it is a meere invention and hath no ground in Scripture and we deny it but if any one out of a tender conscience doe observe it as seeking to fulfill any command as he conceives I shall not judge him that is weake onely if such a one rest there and come not to the Baptisme of Christ which is with fire and the spirit Water-Baptisme will not profit him and he that once rastes of the substance will not goe backe to the shadow And Paul knew what he spoke when he thanked God that he had Baptized no more for Christ saith he sent me not to Baptize but to Preach And for the outward signes of the Supper Doe this in remembrance of me till I come but when he was come then the bread which they did breake was the body of Christ they being many were one bread which whoever comes to witnesse in spirit will both see and say That your Bread and Wine is carnall and not spirituall and your way of giving it without ground and life who are not one bread nor of one heart and soule as all are who breake this Bread of life but they who rest in the types come short of the substance as is plain in your divisions and contentions Circumcision was a true command of God but who once witnessed the circumcision within of the heart denyed that without and then they who was ignorant of that was within stood in the Figure and persecuted him who had the substance and so it is now For your seventeenth Position That there is no mediate call to the Ministry I answer Where in Scripture will you prove a call to the Ministry by Man Magistrates Townes or Parishes or from one people to another there to rest and live in pride and idlenesse and the people to maintaine you by their labours and you to live idle and to be a Master over them but those who were sent to Preach the Gospel denyes that they were made Ministers by the will of man and had no certaine dwelling place but went up and downe in the world Preaching the Word and disputing in the Synagogues with them that held up the Idol worship though they suffered for it where ever they came And when they had gathered Churches out of the world they did not bid them hyre a man to talke to them for money but ordayned them Elders of themselves which were to take care of the weake freely and
thoughts but is a lye raysed up by the Father of lyes the Devill and vented by his servants to make the truth odious And the Lord God of truth before whom I stand judge between me and you in this thing for you are of that generation who say Come let us devise devises Ier. 18. 18. 20. 10. against him come let us smite him with the Tongue report say they and we will report it but the Lord will deliver his truth out of your hands And for William Baldwinson whom you father this untruth on I never had any private discourse with him nor ever was I in company where he was but once in Vnder●arrow where was the house full of people that I had never seen before and if he should affirme any such thing they of his owne Towne shall all witnesse against him but I stand to the witnesse of God Nor as it falls on my selfe should I have mentioned it but as it falls on the truth and may offend some weake ones who is more to me then all outward reputation in the World To your third That George Fox did affirme that he was the Iudre of the World And that one wrote from Carlile that called George Fox the Sonne of God I answer you here shew your selves to be ignorant of Christ spiritually borne up in you who is the Iudge of the world in whom he is which the Saints did witnesse as it is p●aine in the Scriptures Know you not that 1 Cor. 6. 2. 3. Saints shall Iudge the World Yea Angels and the spirituall man judgeth all things yet he himselfe is judged of no man Now you that have not this infallible spirit to judge with have nothing to doe to judge of the things of God but are carnall and naturall and judge with evill thoughts and call evill good and good evill for the naturall man receives not the things of the spirit of God and what you know naturally as bruite beasts therein you corrupt your selves and you that are offended that one shall witnesse the Sonne of God shew that you are ignorant of the New Birth which whosoever witnesses is the Sonne of God yea you are ignorant of the Scriptures which saith Behold with what manner of love the Father loved us that 1 Iohn 3. 1. 2. we should be called the Sons of God and we are Sons already and it doth not yet appeare what we shall be Now blush for shame that you should be Ministers of the letter and are ignoant of it and would slander them that owne it Now for your confused confutation of the lyes you have raysed against us I shall say nothing to them For that you call your second Position That there is no distinction of Persons in the God head This you say George Fox layes downe in Saul● errand to Damascus pag. 12. Now all may take notice if these men regard what they speake or write so that they can but make th● truth odious to others when they are not ashamed to Print so plaine an untruth that is so evident that all that ever read that page in Sauls errand may witnesse against them that the words they have set downe are not there but they have gathered them up in their inventions wherewith they imagine lyes against the innocent and to cast upon the truth neither have they any proofe for what they here accuse of For your third Position that ●h● soule is a part of the Divine Esse●ce And this you 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 you had from Collonell Benson and Captain Ward W●●●●he sou●e is you know not who live in the fall and are v●●ne contenders and p●eaders for sin which keep● the soul● at a di●ance from God and while you are servants of sinne your soules are in death but the first man Adam was a living soule the second a quickning spirit and he that is joyned to the Lord is one ●pirit And this we witnesse and all witnesse it who are come up o●t of the fall but you who live in disobedience acting those things which Christ forbad knowes nothing of the living soule for you watch not for the good ●● soules for you seek for your gaine from your Quarter and ●●kes peoples money for that which is not Bread and all who fol●●● are unsatisfied but all you who hearken diligently to the voyce of the Lord their soules doe live and follow the Lord and are united to him and he that is not is against him For your fourth Position That Christ is in every man and in the reprobate he is held under corruption and this you say one of you received from Iames Nayler in conference with him wherein he extended the in-dwelling of Christ to Indians that never heard the Gospel I answer When will you cease to adde your lyes to slander withall That which I held forth was that Christ was the light of the world and lighteneth every one that commeth into the world which William Col● denyed I bad him put out one amongst all that great multitude that durst deny it He said those were Christians and had heard the Gospel but Indians had not that light I told him he went far for a proofe but if an Indian were there he would witnesse against him But O thou full of all subtilty Did I say th●t Christ in the reprobates is held under corruption let all that was there be witnesse against thee Now that Christ enlightens every one that comes into the world is plaine Scripture and if Christ be not in the most vile in the world there to see the heart thoughts and intents how shall he judge every one according to their thoughts that come not forth into actions as well as according to what they doe must he then proceed as carnall Iudges doe either by proofe or confession and no further and must not he judge Indians as well as others and who shall tell him what is in their hearts and thoughts Here you shew your selves ignorant of that Christ who is spirituall and judgeth not after the outward appearance but is all and in all and are of the judgment of some others of you who say that Christ is in Heaven with a carnall body but here is your folly manifest to all the Children of light And whereas you accuse Iohn Audland for writing to Edward Br●ggs and telling him That he who once had been enlightned and departed out of it did crucifie Iesus Christ within him I answer Reade Hebrews 6. 4 6. and see if the Apostle speake not the same words saying That such crucifie the Lord of life afresh and put him to open shame And that it is such a haynous thing to you who knowes not Christ in you for any to say that Christ is in them Was it not Iesus of Naz●reth that Paul persecuted when he hayled the Saints to Prison Acts 9. 4. 5. and was not Christ in the Saints the hope of glory and all this after his Assention But you who