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A79503 Moderate message to Quakers, seekers and Socinians, by a friend and well-wisher to them all, or Some arguments offered to clear up three points in difference betwixt them and others ... By John Child. Child, John, 1638?-1684. 1676 (1676) Wing C3850; ESTC R171309 24,333 83

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say_v god_n send_v he_o to_o baptise_v with_o water_n from_o whence_o we_o pass_v to_o the_o second_o part_n of_o the_o argument_n viz._n that_o it_o be_v a_o duty_n for_o the_o proof_n of_o which_o we_o need_v do_v no_o more_o but_o borrow_v something_o from_o the_o eight_o argument_n already_o lay_v down_o and_o that_o be_v this_o arg._n 10_o that_o which_o man_n be_v charge_v with_o sin_n for_o the_o neglect_n of_o major_n major_n be_v doubtless_o a_o duty_n to_o perform_v minor_n minor_n but_o man_n be_v charge_v with_o sin_n for_o the_o neglect_n of_o water_n baptism_n ergo_fw-la it_o be_v their_o duty_n to_o perform_v they_o reject_v the_o council_n of_o god_n etc._n etc._n in_o not_o be_v baptise_v of_o john_n and_o that_o it_o be_v a_o duty_n in_o common_a to_o the_o penitent_a or_o comer_n to_o christ_n