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A03915 An ansvvere to a certaine treatise of the crosse in baptisme. Intituled A short treatise of the crosse in baptisme contracted into this syllogisme. No humane ordinance becomming an idoll may lawfully be vsed in the service of God. But the signe of the crosse, being an humane ordinance is become an idoll. Ergo: the signe of the crosse, may not lawfully bee vsed in the service of God. VVherein not only the weaknesse of the syllogisme it selfe, but also of the grounds and proofes thereof, are plainely discovered. By L.H. Doct. of Divinitie. Hutton, Leonard. 1605 (1605) STC 14023; ESTC S104328 89,079 150

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by_o a_o manifest_a and_o special_a signification_n whereby_o the_o church_n be_v edify_v three_o in_o the_o abuse_n they_o abuse_v in_o as_o high_a a_o degree_n of_o superstition_n as_o the_o serpent_n be_v this_o only_o abuse_v in_o erroneous_a opinion_n and_o conceit_n of_o virtue_n and_o power_n false_o ascribe_v unto_o it_o and_o four_o in_o redress_n they_o no_o way_n curable_a but_o by_o demolition_n this_o curable_a by_o inform_v the_o understanding_n aright_o &_o teach_v the_o ignorant_a that_o we_o repose_v no_o power_n and_o virtue_n in_o it_o nor_o yield_v any_o divine_a worship_n unto_o it_o but_o use_v it_o only_o as_o a_o admonisher_n &_o remembrancer_n of_o our_o christian_a duty_n and_o therefore_o you_o must_v not_o argue_v that_o because_o those_o material_a cross_n be_v as_o offensive_a as_o the_o brazen_a serpent_n therefore_o this_o immaterial_a consignation_n must_v needs_o be_v so_o you_o shall_v do_v better_a to_o distinguish_v they_o in_o name_n call_v they_o 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and_o memorable_a miracle_n it_o be_v a_o monument_n of_o a_o very_a strange_a and_o extraordinary_a cure_n it_o have_v continue_v a_o long_a time_n &_o may_v almost_o allege_v prescription_n why_o it_o shall_v be_v retain_v still_o it_o be_v a_o type_n and_o figure_n of_o christ_n exaltation_n on_o the_o cross_n as_o himself_o expound_v it_o as_o moses_n lift_v up_o the_o brazen_a serpent_n in_o the_o wilderness_n 3.14_o joh._n 3.14_o so_o must_v the_o son_n of_o man_n be_v lift_v up_o etc._n etc._n but_o what_o will_v you_o infer_v upon_o the_o not_o retain_v of_o the_o brazen_a serpent_n that_o we_o shall_v not_o retain_v the_o use_n of_o the_o cross_n in_o baptism_n but_o this_o our_o church_n have_v enjoin_v and_o command_v who_o commandment_n we_o be_v bind_v in_o conscience_n to_o obey_v so_o long_o as_o it_o command_v nothing_o contrary_a to_o the_o word_n &_o will_v of_o god_n for_o howsoever_o you_o &_o your_o consort_n reject_v obedience_n yet_o we_o take_v it_o not_o our_o 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to_o which_o purpose_n mr._n bucer_n also_o speak_v 454._o bucer_n in_o script_n angl._n pag._n 454._o have_v etsi_fw-la seruare_fw-la &_o omittere_fw-la etiam_fw-la extra_fw-la scandalum_fw-la licet_fw-la tamen_fw-la si_fw-la ex_fw-la proternia_n aut_fw-la petulantia_fw-la quis_fw-la ordinem_fw-la publica_fw-la autoritate_fw-la constitutum_fw-la contemnat_fw-la &_o turbet_fw-la non_fw-la leviter_fw-la peccat_fw-la these_o ceremony_n though_o it_o be_v lawful_a to_o observe_v or_o omit_v where_o no_o scandal_n be_v offer_v yet_o if_o any_o man_n upon_o forwardness_n or_o wantonness_n shall_v contemn_v or_o disquiet_v the_o order_n that_o be_v establish_v by_o public_a authority_n he_o sin_v greivous_o and_o let_v this_o suffice_v for_o answer_v to_o your_o example_n of_o the_o brazen_a serpent_n and_o second_o point_n of_o difference_n your_o three_o point_n of_o difference_n i_o take_v to_o be_v the_o bread_n in_o the_o supper_n be_v warrant_v in_o the_o scripture_n the_o cross_n in_o 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indifferent_a let_v all_o thing_n be_v do_v decent_o and_o in_o order_n 14.40_o 1._o cor._n 14.40_o in_o the_o generality_n whereof_o this_o particular_a be_v contain_v as_o by_o the_o deduction_n before_o mention_v in_o the_o answer_n to_o the_o minor_a of_o your_o main_a syllogism_n may_v plain_o appear_v last_o concern_v beauty_n insinuation_n that_o the_o cross_n be_v ground_v &c_n &c_n we_o stand_v not_o upon_o it_o nor_o build_v our_o opinion_n upon_o any_o proof_n of_o he_o yet_o as_o it_o be_v certain_a that_o the_o material_a cross_n 3.14_o joh._n 3.14_o whereupon_o christ_n suffer_v be_v shadow_v by_o the_o pole_n whereupon_o the_o brazen_a serpent_n be_v lift_v up_o for_o so_o our_o saviour_n himself_o do_v resemble_v it_o so_o i_o see_v not_o what_o inconvenience_n can_v follow_v 19_o aug._n the_o catech_n rudibus_fw-la cap._n 20._o cyprian_a ad_fw-la de●●et_n cap._n 19_o if_o we_o shall_v say_v with_o st._n augustine_n and_o st._n cyprian_n that_o even_o this_o our_o immaterial_a consignation_n do_v take_v his_o first_o beginning_n and_o occasion_n in_o the_o