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A00522 An oration of Ihon Fabritius Montanus VVherby he teacheth that Christian men cannot resorte to the Councel of Trent, without committing an haynous offence. Englyshed by L.A. Fabricius, Joannes, Montanus, 1527-1566.; L. A., fl. 1562. 1562 (1562) STC 10657; ESTC S111789 17,616 68

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pryuate brayne but of the consent and agremēt of the whole Churche Se how these felowes haue al at ones cast of al shame We do not refuse thagremente of the pure Churche consentyng wyth the Scripture but reuerentlye embrace the same But oure chefest controuersy with our aduersaryes whyche abuse the woorde or name of the Churche is about the certaynetye and aucthorytye of the Scripturs For they whē they haue once presumed to take the Scripture to be vnperfecte they do forthe wyth inferre that it is also vncertayne and therefore they saye that it hathe neade not onelye to be supplyed wyth tradicions but also to be determined and established by the Churche We on thother side do teache that the holye Scryptures the very word of God I saye comprehended in wrytyng doth perfectly and sufficiently contayne in it self al the chiefe poyntes of our salnaciō and therfore that this is thonlye certayne and infallible rule to examine al doctrynes opinions And thus it is playne and manifest vpō what poynt this controuersie dependeth For the questiō is whether the scripture be of greater perfectiō certaintie aucthoritie or y t tradicions by what name soeuer they cal thē whiche notw tstāding they haue boūded limitted almost w t the lyuely wordes of Thapostles y e custome of the Church y t answers of y e bishops and y e determinacions of y e fathers but by what ryghte or wronge it is not now to be spokē But if y e Scriptur which we presently haue be y e voyce of y t prophetes apostles lefte vnto vs in writing If the Church be gathered together knowen preserued by this doctrine whiche is the word of God If Coūciles haue for y e more part erred maye yet erre● and as it were doe kill one another wyth mutuall decrees If the Bis●…ops of Rome for the space of some hundrethes of yeres past haue done nothing well nor from henceforth perchaunce can do any thinge well so longe as they occupye and enioy this pestilente See If finallye the fathers them selfes which be of the better sort do sende vs to the scryptures Tell me I beseche you for Gods sake what cause can their be any more why we should suffre ourselues to be caryed and ledde away from the Scriptures vnto tradicions from a thinge certaine to that which is more vncertayne And albeit the case standeth thus as you see yet these vnholye felowes are not ashamed yet stil to sai that ther controuersy with vs is onelye touchyng thinterpretation not thaucthoritie or certentie of the Scryptures The which thing if they wyll graunt vnto vs they must neades also confesse them selfes to be dryuen awaye from theyr chefest bulwarke For yf we must wholye rest in thaucthoritie of the Scripture then away with al other by waies and startinge holes wherein they put al the whole strength and some of their disputation But you wyl say the Scripture hath nede of interpretaciō I agre therto Againe it maketh much to y e matter what sense euery man frameth thereto True it is in deade But seing the Scripture doth interprete and expounde it selfe we wil also vse that rule of interpretation which it selfe hath heretofore taught vs and we will not herevnto bryng any other thinge then faith and loue ioyned with sobre and syncere dexteritie But I am gone further thē I purposed for to entreate hereof requyreth both an other place and also tyme But this one thing I saye If theese felowes take the Scriptures to bee of suche aucthoritie as they make a shew and countenaūce of Whye do they not leaue that to vs as an onelye rule whye do they restrayne it wyth so manye impedimentes and lettes why do they call backe agayne with their craftie triflynge that whyche they did once graunte fynallie why do they torne and chang themselues into so many formes and shapes at once For if they go about to bryng al the whole controuersie to thinterpretacion of the Scripture onely go to in Gods name let vs haue equall iudges let vs encountre together and let it also be knowen whither parte doth folowe or refuse thoose lawes of interpretynge whyche we haue receyued of Christ and his apostles But seynge that hitherto we coulde obtayne no such thing of our aduersaryes it is manifeste that they doe mocke vs wyth iouglyng wordes haue some other secrete meaning then they seame openlye to shew But this is no newe or vnacustomed thyng vnder y e clocke of truthe to go aboute to suppresse the truthe This chaunceth hereof that Satan who transformeth himselfe often times into an Angel of lyghte hath bene accustomed to set goodly gloryous titles before his wickednes For yf all assēblyes whatsoeuer they be whiche are reckoned vnder the name of Coūciles had neuer erred nor cold at this daye erre then most woorthelye and of moste righte the chefest iudgemente ought to consist in Counciles but now seing y t honorable name of a Councile may also fal vppon the Sinagoge of y e deuil it ought not to be so But because in al matters exāples be of great force so that there be an equal and indifferent respect to the thinges which be compared together me semeth it shal not be besydes our mattre purpose if I should set forth here be fore your eyes a shewe and declaration of that Councell wherof mētion is made in this wise in thistorye of the Gospell When Easter was at hand the cheefe Preestes Scrybes and elders of the People were gathered together into y e Haule of the hygh Preest that was called Cayphas and they sayd what shal we do for thys man doth many myracles If we let hym thus alone al mē wil beleue in him and the Romaines wyll come and take away both our place and the nacion And so forth as foloweth in the texte of Thistorye Here I praye the Christian reader fyrst of all to consyder well the fathers of this Councell They be assembled together which excell other both in aucthoritie and also in opinion of holynes vppon whose shoulders the Churche which was at that tyme did rest euen as thoughe it had bene shored vp with pillers And the highe priest him selfe by whose aucthoritie thys assembly is gouerned woulde seme so to be touched with Gods glorye as he that was most touched for he witnessed with the rentyng of hys clothes the greefe of his harte whiche be conceiued of the blasphemy But let vs come from the fathers vnto the forme it selfe and consider the processe of the lawe as they call it Those holy fathers woulde seme to do nothing vnaduisedly or by vyolence They cal a Councell they laye their heades together they pretend the safegard of theyr countrye whiche they crye oute to be in daunger vnlesse thenterprises of Christ be quickely stopped but whē they came to the pointe of the matter they examine Christ of his religion and Doctrine the knowledge whereof they
the royaltyes of Sayncte Peter I wyll honorablye vse the Legate of Thapostolique See both goinge and cominge and helpe him in all his necessityes I wyll doe my dylygence to keeye defende encrease and set for warde the ryghtes honoures Pryuileges and aucthoritye of the church of Rome oure Lorde the Pope and his successoures aforesayde I wyll bee in no councile no facte nor treatie wherin any thynge shalbe deuysed sinistre or preiudiciall to theyr persons theyr ryghte theyr honor theyr estate or theyr power And if I shall knowe anye man to goe aboute or procure anye suche thynges I wyl to my power hinder theyr enterpryses and so soone as I canne conuenientlye I wyll notifye the same to oure Lorde or to some other by whom it may come to his know ledge I wil with all industrye and end euor obserue and kepe the rules of our holy fathers thapostolique decrees their ordinaunces their sentences their appoint ments their exceptions their Prouisos and commaundemētes and cause others also to obserue and kepe the same I will also to my power persecute and resist heretyckes scysmatykes and such as are re bells agaynst oure Lorde and his successours aforesayde when I am called to a Synode I wyll come And this is the forme of the othe Nowe therefore seing that the Bishop of Rome doth call and referre allawes to him selfe alone and seing also y t the fathers of the Councell doo frame them felues altogether to his becke and commaunde mente as one that beareth aboute with him in y e secretes of his brest the determinations both of Gods lawe and mans lawe for these and other such monstruous and execrable sayinges are red emonge theyr lyes and inuentions it mighte be iustly demaunded to what ende or what nede there were of this masking preparation of Councels vnlesse y e matter it self semed to speake and experience did also teache that Councels are nothing else but a certaine forme and maner of declaration of the Popes wil and as one would say a shorte and compendious way to procede against the Lutherans For thus it is red in their bokes that it is not necessary to cal Councels to y e entent y t any of those opinions whervpon the Heritikes desire to dispute and who knoweth not that we are accused of them of heresye shoulde be defyned but that it is necessary to cal Councels notwithstāding to thend that such as are Heretikes may be declared made manifeste and condemned Thys might be euident enough vnto vs euen by thactes done in their Councels althoughe they woulde speake nothing therof For besides that they haue hitherto moost despitesully aggrauated our cause w t moste vniust sentences they haue also geuen vp oure liues goodes as a pray to the crueltie of others and they referre this their boocherye to the right and lawe of execution the which they haue hitherto vsed as a thefe engine to weaken shake vs all to peeces For it hath bene alwayes a solempne custome with these good felowes to begyn their Councels backeward preposterously that is to say firste with execution so that al men might easslye perceaue y t they did make there reckoninge of warre before they thought of peace And these latter yeares past after al their promises so manye and so noble made vnto our men whyle the Councile was yet dependinge they beganne to rage agaynste the diuines of Germanye and doubtelesse they hadde shewed forthe theyr madnesse yet further had not the troubles of Germanye caused bothe the Councile ther enterprises also to ende And yet in the meane tyme althoughe it be moste apparaunte and manifeste that the Churche of Rome is foulye and shamefullye defaced both wyth corrupt doctrine and manners and that this complainte hath bene euer sythens the memorye of man and from our auncestres hath discended vnto vs as though by inheritaunce yet notwythstandynge in so greate a corrupcion of all thynges not so muche as the leaste kynde of reformacion coulde bee optayned or by anye meanes wrested from our aduersaries yea experience also hath taught that those also which at any tyme haue bene so bolde to present vp this request to the fathers haue not onely bene most vnworthelye entreated but also most despitefully repulsed And as touching the lyfe of the cleargye I wyll not muche dispute for I maye iustlye doubt whether I may with honestie speake such things as they most shamefully do commit and yet notwithstandyng albeit the case standeth thus and euery man also seeth it so to be yet neuerthelesse they do glory of the holy Ghost as of some vile slaue or bondman whom they haue made so much thrall vnto thē selfes that although he woulde neuer so fayne yet maye he not once be frō theyr elbowe whose marke they carrye in theyr bodye that neuer canne be put oute But howe farre yea howe most farthest of all they haue gone astraye from the doctryne of the Prophetes Thapostles no man is ignoraunt if he haue bene but meanely exercised w t any ryght iudgemente in the wrytynges of the Prophetes and Apostles These felowes haue Heauen Earth Hell and all thynges else to sale so that the sayinge of the Poete maye be iustlye veryfied of the Churche of Rome She standeth to sale and like a whore sitteth making her gaine of her body And yet neuerthelesse they saye it is not lawefull to make anye enquyrye agaynste theyr Doctryne without cōmitting an hainous ofsence therfore in y e publishinge of theyr Councile they spake of a continuacion thereof and not of a full and perfecte doynge The whyche they interprete in this wyse That theyr former doinges muste be confirmed ratified and concluded so as they neither maye nor oughte hereafter to be called in question These and suche other lyke be the thynges whereby the Chrystian faith is pulled vp by the rotes The forme also whythe they prescrybe to the rest of theyr treatye dothe manifestlye declare what workemen they be and what they frame That which is thus And to be noted that such matters as are in controuersie shalbe handled and entreated of in this foresayde councile of Trente accordyng to the holy Scriptures the tradicions of Thapostles thapproued Counciles the consent and agremente of the Catholicke Church and thauctorytyes of the holy Fathers By this meane as by a pryuye vndermininge engine the closelie proceade to ouerthrow the doctrine of Godlines For from the Scripturs they go aboute to sende vs backe to tradicions from a thynge most certayne to a thinge more vncertayne But yet they do this verye craftelie and with greate dissimulacion For they spreade abroade into the common peoples eares that al theyr disputacion is not about thaucthority of y e Scripture but about y e maner of thinterpretaciō therof therfore y t this appendix or addicion was to be added that it mighte playnelye appeare that the true and naturall sence of the Scripture ought not to be taken forth of any mans