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A19428 Father Cotton a Iesuite, the Kings confessour, his two and thirtie demands, to the ministers of France with the answeres added at the end of euerie demand. Also threescore and foure demands proposed to Father Cotton, by way of counter-change. By Peter Moulin, minister of the word of God in the church of Paris. Printed according to the French copie, printed in Paris. Also a new late chalenge, by a learned diuine, to all Papists, in 24. other Popish articles.; Trente-deux demandes proposées par le P. Cotton. English Du Moulin, Pierre, 1568-1658.; Coton, Pierre, 1564-1626.; Barnes, John, fl. 1600-1621. 1614 (1614) STC 5857; ESTC S116356 39,158 65

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that he hath all power in heauen and in earth as also doth the Booke of sacred Ceremonies lib. 1. Sect. 7. cap. 6. 41 Whether the Pope and Church of Rome can at this day make any Articles of faith If they can where is the authoritie that God hath giuen them If they cannot wherefore did Leo the tenth in the Bull Exurge Domine ioyned to the last Councell of Lateran insert this among the Heresies of Luther That he said that the Pope and Church of Rome can make no Articles of faith 42 Whether the second Councell of Nice spake well in saying that Images were equiualent with the Gospell and that we must worship them Also that we may paint Angels because they be corporall that a Temple without Images is nought worth and that of all Heresies it is the greatest to be an enemie to Images 43 Whether the sixe and seauen Councels condemning Pope Honorius of Heresie and the Councell of Constance condemning Pope Iohn the 23. for denying heauen and Hel and teaching that the soules are mortall did beleeue that the Pope cannot erre in faith It skilleth not whether these Councels were well or ill enformed onely wee demaund whether they did beleeue that the Pope cannot erre in faith as they teach at this day 44 1. When the Pope began to weare three Crownes 2. To preach no more 3. To be called God vpon earth and the Diuine Maiestie 4. And King and Prince of all the earth 5. To dispence with oathes and vowes made vnto God 6. To permit marriages within the degrees prohibited by the word of God as of the first with the second degree 7. Not to drinke the Wine out of the Challice but to sucke it out with a Reed 8. To be adored 9. To put whom hee list into the ranke of Saints appointing them their feasts c. 45 Whether the Popes Excommunications cast out against a whole estate for pecuniary matters and ciuill pretensions are of any force and whether they that die in such estate during their Excommunication be for euer damned Also what is the meaning of those words spoken to Saint Peter kill and eate and whether the same be also spoken to the Pope 46 For how much were the voyces of the Cardinals bought in the election of a new Pope in the first age after Iesus Christ Also whether a Prince that hath spent three or foure hundred thousand Crownes to procure a fauourable Pope may presume that all this corruption and these mercenary suffrages were guided by the Spirit of God or whether a Pope thus purchased cannot erre in faith 47 To what a rate are the taxes of absolutions and dispensations of the Chancerie and Penitentiarie of Rome now raised For we haue the Taxe printed at Paris by authority of the Court in the yeere 1520. when all this Marchandise was farre better cheape for hee that had laine with his Mother or with his Gossip paid for his Letters of Absolution fiue grosses He that had slaine his Father or Mother seauen grosses and he that had falsified the Apostolical Letters eighteene grosses And a Priest that had cut off his owne priuities seauenteene grosses But now they pay all in Duccats of the Chamber And the dispensations for the neerest degrees in marriage are not granted but to people of calling and such as are of abilitie as the same Taxe doth set it downe fol. 23. 48 Whether is it greater offence in a Priest to be married or to commit whoredome secretly and which of the two should we most mislike 49 Vpon what sinnes doth the Priest impose greatest penance vpon the blaspheamer of God or vpon him that miscalleth the Pope vpon the Adulterer or vpon him that eateth flesh vpon Good-Friday And what is the reason that euery Bishop may absolue sinnes committed against the Law of God but trespasses committed against the Papall Sea as hindering such as goe to Rome for Pardons or intrusion into a benefice are matters past the Bishops reach and reserued to his Holinesse Hath the Popes authoritie now gotten the vpper hand of the Law of God 50 VVhereof grew the Custome practised euen to this time vpon the day of the Popes Coronation to make him sit on a hollow Chayre called the Chayre of Easement and vvhen ceased the custome of handling his Holinesse priuities vpon that day 51 Whether the Pope did well in establishing the publicke Stewes at Rome whereinto the Prelates repayre openly and with all liberty 52 Where remayned the soules of the Fathers of the old Testament from Christs Resurrection vntill his Ascension 53 And sith the Church of Rome placeth the Infants Limbe vnder the earth where shall it be when the earth shall haue no more being 54 VVhether wee must keepe faith giuen to Heretikes 55 Whether it be well done to say Our Father which art in Heauen before the Image of a Saint as now adayes they doe and the Catechisme of the Tridentine Councell doth allow it 56 Againe in that there were diuers Popes at one time and that the strongest bare it away how can they proue that the strongest was the most lawfull for if he were not so then their succession must haue beene often interrupted and those that followed were the Successors of vsurping Popes being chosen by Cardinals created by the Pope that went before vvho being no lawfull Pope had no iust authoritie to create Cardinals 57 Sith Iesus Christ speaking of the time that shall goe before the Iudgements saith that then there shall be no Faith vpon earth we demand whether then the Church of Rome shall be pure in the Faith and shall not erre in any point but shall yeeld a visible lustre 57 Againe sith the Pope may whether by Iurisdiction as some doe hold or in manner of suffrage fetch soules out of Purgatorie why doth he not fetch them all out wherefore doth hee permit Infants to linger many hundred yeeres in a burning fire though hee be able to pull them out 58 Whether it be to be found in the Word of God that the Bishop may absolue some certaine sinnes which the Priest cannot absolue and whether there be any sinnes which the Pope onely may absolue and are tearmed Cases reserued also when this custome began 59 Wee also demaund vpon what authoritie the Church of Rome is founded and how we may be assured that there is one Church in the world and that the Church of Rome is this true Church For the proofe hereof the Doctors of the Romish Church cannot produce any testimonie out of the holy Scripture For in as much as they say that it is the Church that giueth authoritie to the Scripture it appeareth that this Church cannot be founded vpon the Scripture and that the Scripture cannot conferre any authoritie vnto it The foundation and support of a house cannot be founded vpon the house 60 Whether it standeth with the Holinesse of him that tearmeth himselfe the Vicar
he Out of all question they were neuer predestinate but with the other vessels of dishonour left in the corrupted lumpe Wherein he followeth Thomas and S. Augustine who were so instructed by the word of God XVIII DEMAND That euery one in his owne particular hath not his Angell-Guardian ANSVVERE YEt one slander more For we affirme not any thing heerein True it is that as concerning the faithfull wee say with Dauid Psal 34. The Angell of the Lord taryeth round about them that feare him And with the Apostle Heb. 1. The Angels are ministring Spirits sent for their sakes that shall be heyres of saluation And Iesus Christ Matth. 18. saith that the Angels of little children doe behold the face of the heauenly Father But that euery one that is to say both the good and the bad as the Questionarie saith hath an Angell-Guardian wee finde not in the Scripture Considering withall that wee see some Iesuites aske counsell of the Diuels concerning things to come and concerning Questions of Diuinitie which surely they would neuer doe if they had any one good Angell Guardian for they would rather aske counsell of him XIX DEMAND That it is not lawfull to salute or to inuocate or craue ayde of this Angel or any other eyther in generall or in particular ANSVVERE TO salute an Angell or a Saint is a mocking of them to inuocate a Saint or an Angell is an offence to God The reasons are euident To salute one is to say God keepe you or Good-Morrow also to salute is to desire ones health which is a kinde of prayer that wee make for him But our Aduersaries doe acknowledge it to be a wrong to a Saint to pray for him And it is a grosse abuse euen at this day to say to the Virgin Mary Aue Maria that is to say God keepe thee Mary this is no inuocating or calling vpon but a praying for her As for inuocating an Angell or Saint it is repugnant to the rules and examples of Gods word 1. Saint Paul saith that wee cannot inuocate any but him in whom we beleeue How shall they saith hee inuocate him on whom they haue not beleeued Rom. 10. But we are taught both by the Scripture and by our Beliefe to say I beleeue in God the Father and in Iesus Christ and in the holy Ghost but in no wise I beleeue in any Creature 2. It is also requisite that hee whom a man doth inuocate should know his heart that doth inuocate him and be assured whether hee be an Hypocrite But Gods word doth testifie that God onely knoweth the hearts of men 3. Neither can we haue any better Aduocate then Iesus Christ who saith Saint Paul 1 Tim. 2. is our onely Mediator 4. Sith also it is God himselfe that inspireth our hearts to pray and stirreth vp in vs those groning sighes that S. Paul Rom. 8.25 speaketh of what neede we any intercessors to commend vnto God that prayer which God himselfe hath inspired into vs or to cause the voyce of the Spirit of God to be acceptable vnto God 5. Neyther do we finde any example or commandement to inuocate Creatures throughout all the holy Scripture but one expresse example wee haue of an Angell reiecting the adoration of S. Iohn who did not adore this Angell as thinking him to be God for in the Reuelat. cap. 21. v. 9. he saith directly that it was one of the seauen Angels that had the seauen Vials who soone after forbad S. Iohn when he would haue worshipped him cap. 21. v. 9. 6. To be briefe our Aduersaries are in this cause so perplexed that they begin openly to teach that inuocation of Saints is not necessarie and that wee may be saued without it notwithstanding Pope Innocent the third affirmeth the contrarie in his third Booke of the Mysteries of the Masse cap. 9. Necessarium nobis est in via Sanctorum suffragium c. And that the Masse is not content with their intercessions onely but also craueth of God saluation through their merits euen so farre forth that Bellarmine saith that they be in some sort our Redeemers And indeede it is holden that they pay for vs sith the Pope doth conuert their supererogatory satisfactions into payments for other men All this is taken out of the vnwritten word XX. DEMAND That God permitteth not sinne but willeth it as Caluin saith in his Institutions lib. 1. cap. 17. §. 8. cap. 18. §. 1. 2. ANSVVERE VVEE heare that our Aduersaries haue printed Caluins Institutions wherein they haue altered whatsoeuer they list if it be so it must needes be that the author of these questions hath thereout taken all that he imputeth vnto Caluin For so farre is Caluin in the eight Section of the seauenteenth Chapter of his first Booke from saying that God willeth sinne that euen throughout all that Section there is not one word of sinne neyther doth hee there speake of the euill of the fault but of the euill of the punishment and afflictions As concerning the first and second Sect. of the 18. Chapter the Author taketh this word to will in a contrarie sence For it doth not import that God is the author of sinne but it onely excludeth the naked and idle permission Because the wicked doing euill as Iudas and the Iewes when they betrayed and crucified Iesus Christ doe it voluntarily and of their owne motion and yet neuerthelesse for all this doe no more but what the counsell of God had before determined should be done as saith S. Peter Acts 4.8 Thus you see in one Demand two slanders here followes the third that is that this Demand presupposeth that wee are grounded vpon Caluin or bound to defend him whom neuerthelesse wee knew to be a man and subiect to errour who also doth still referre vs to the Scriptures to the end wee should not build vpon him The slaunders of our Aduersaries doe more binde vs to reade him then his owne authoritie But our Aduersaries doe not rancke the Popes in this degree for they hold that the Popes cannot erre in Faith and therefore they are bound to defend all their sayings as the saying of Pope Clement 1. who in Causa 12. Can. Dilectissimis approueth the opinion of Plato who saith that Goods and Wiues ought to be common and calleth him the wisest of all the Greekes Also the opinion of Iohn the 24. who taught that the soules of men doe dye with the soules of beasts and for the same was condemned in the Councell of Constance Sess 11. Also the Canon Christiano in the 34. Distinction which saith that A Christian ought to haue but one Wife and for want of a Wife a Concubine Also the Canon Hacratione caus 31. qu. 1. which saith that the Apostle S. Paul spake against both truth and reason In this Demand there is yet a fourth tricke of bad meaning Hee requireth a proofe of that which Caluin saith in such and such places and yet