reason_n be_v from_o the_o testimony_n of_o tertullian_n &_o eusebius_n the_o word_n of_o tertullian_n as_o mr_n sm._n himself_o have_v english_v they_o be_v these_o therefore_o to_o defer_v &_o not_o to_o hasten_v baptism_n be_v more_o profitable_a for_o the_o condition_n disposition_n &_o age_n of_o every_o person_n but_o especial_o as_o concern_v young_a child_n for_o what_o 〈…〉_o there_o to_o bring_v surety_n into_o danger_n for_o the_o baptise_v of_o infant_n if_o there_o be_v no_o 〈…〉_o of_o hasten_v the_o baptise_n of_o infant_n see_v the_o surety_n be_v disable_v often_o 〈…〉_o to_o perform_v their_o promise_n both_o by_o reason_n of_o mortality_n and_o of_o the_o evil_a dispositiâ—_n sâ—â—e_z child_n when_o they_o come_v to_o year_n for_o who_o they_o promise_v in_o baptism_n etc._n etc._n â—_o first_o concern_v tertullian_n it_o be_v to_o be_v note_v that_o thus_o he_o write_v â—n_o he_o be_v fall_v into_o the_o opinion_n of_o the_o cataphriges_fw-la or_o montanist_n â—â—_o so_o hold_v divers_a error_n as_o augustine_n and_o other_o have_v observe_v out_o of_o â—_o work_v and_o therefore_o be_v thus_o depart_v from_o the_o faith_n let_v â—e_a reader_n judge_v if_o this_o man_n be_v a_o competent_a witness_n in_o this_o case_n yet_o â—th_v not_o this_o man_n affirm_v that_o infant_n be_v not_o baptize_v in_o his_o time_n but_o â—ther_o the_o contrary_a in_o that_o he_o make_v mention_n of_o surety_n for_o infant_n say_v what_o necessity_n be_v there_o to_o bring_v surety_n into_o danger_n for_o the_o baptise_v of_o infant_n â—hich_v word_n do_v plain_o argue_v that_o the_o church_n then_o use_v to_o baptise_v inâ—ts_n 2._o again_o that_o which_o he_o affirm_v be_v his_o own_o private_a judgement_n â—d_a his_o reason_n be_v of_o no_o weight_n as_o the_o bring_n of_o surety_n into_o danger_n and_o â—â—_o the_o surety_n be_v disable_v oftentimes_o to_o perform_v their_o promise_n etc._n etc._n such_o surety_n â—ot_n be_v appoint_v of_o god_n 3._o p._n mart._n clas_n 4._o ca._n 8._o affirm_v that_o â—â—tullian_n deny_v baptism_n to_o young_a man_n and_o young_a widow_n and_o his_o own_o urd_n here_o relate_v do_v seem_v to_o intimate_v some_o such_o like_a thing_n in_o say_v 〈…〉_o far_o and_o not_o to_o hasten_v baptism_n be_v more_o profitable_a for_o the_o condition_n disposition_n and_o â—â—_o of_o every_o person_n and_o this_o he_o mean_v of_o other_o then_o young_a child_n for_o â—er_o he_o speak_v of_o young_a child_n say_v especial_o concern_v young_a child_n â—_o 4._o crispen_n state_n of_o the_o church_n pag._n 47._o 48._o witness_v that_o tertullian_n bring_v â—_o extreme_a unction_n after_o baptism_n the_o sign_n of_o the_o cross_n offer_v for_o the_o dead_a and_o â—er_o the_o like_a dream_n of_o the_o montanist_n now_o if_o tertullia_n judgement_n be_v â—and_n against_o infant_n baptism_n why_o not_o also_o for_o extreme_a unction_n the_o sign_n â—f_n the_o cross_n and_o the_o like_o his_o error_n see_v all_o these_o be_v fruit_n proceed_v â—om_n the_o same_o tree_n but_o thus_o this_o adversary_n care_v not_o who_o the_o witness_n be_v so_o he_o will_v speak_v in_o favour_n of_o his_o heresy_n let_v he_o be_v montanist_n papist_n or_o what_o othersoever_o but_o let_v it_o be_v further_o observe_v that_o about_o tertullia_n time_n and_o after_o some_o defer_v their_o baptism_n until_o they_o think_v they_o shall_v die_v and_o so_o be_v not_o baptize_v until_o they_o fall_v into_o some_o great_a sickness_n as_o theodosius_n &_o other_o and_o this_o seem_v to_o be_v tertullia_n error_n as_o if_o baptism_n be_v for_o wash_v away_o of_o sin_n past_a and_o not_o to_o come_v concern_v that_o which_o eusebius_n report_v of_o athanasius_n his_o bap_n 〈…〉_o of_o child_n in_o sport_n i_o have_v answer_v pag._n 109._o and_o set_v down_o reason_n â—_o prove_v that_o those_o child_n be_v not_o child_n of_o the_o church_n but_o of_o some_o oâ—_n the_o heathen_a which_o be_v instruct_v in_o the_o faith_n of_o christ_n by_o the_o church_n but_o be_v not_o receive_v into_o the_o communion_n of_o the_o same_o these_o be_v the_o two_o ancient_n that_o m._n smyth_n produce_v against_o we_o whereof_o neither_o of_o theâ—_n affirm_v that_o the_o church_n do_v not_o baptise_v infant_n in_o those_o time_n now_o to_o these_o two_o i_o will_v oppose_v other_o two_o ancient_n among_o many_o other_o that_o do_v testify_v that_o infant_n in_o their_o time_n and_o before_o be_v baptize_v viz._n origin_n who_o say_v that_o the_o church_n receive_v from_o the_o apostle_n to_o give_v baptism_n to_o infant_n lib._n 5._o ad_fw-la rom._n and_o augustine_n de_fw-fr bap._n contra_fw-la donatist_n lib._n 4._o cap._n 23._o who_o speak_v of_o the_o baptism_n of_o infant_n say_v that_o which_o the_o whole_a church_n hold_v neither_o be_v ordain_v by_o counsel_n but_o always_o have_v be_v hold_v we_o be_v to_o believe_v to_o be_v deliver_v by_o apostolical_a authority_n the_o next_o corruption_n that_o the_o separation_n be_v charge_v withal_o be_v to_o have_v a_o false_a ministry_n now_o the_o minister_n that_o we_o have_v be_v of_o pastor_n &_o teacher_n call_v thereunto_o by_o election_n of_o the_o church_n according_a to_o these_o scripture_n eph._n 4_o 9_o 11_o 12._o rom._n 12_o 7._o 8._o 1_o cor._n 12_o 28._o acts._n 13_o 1_o 2._o revel_v 1_o 20._o nehem_n 8_o 1_o 8._o mat._n 23_o 2._o mal_fw-fr 2_o 7._o act._n 14._o 23._o and_o practise_v of_o the_o primitive_a church_n and_o of_o this_o ministry_n of_o pastor_n and_o teacher_n m._n smyth_n himself_o approve_v in_o his_o principle_n pag._n 18._o and_o in_o his_o question_n and_o answer_n pag._n 8._o print_v this_o last_o year_n 1609._o he_o describe_v the_o officer_n of_o the_o church_n divide_v they_o first_o into_o bishop_n and_o deacon_n than_o the_o bishop_n into_o pastor_n or_o teacher_n or_o elder_n and_o withal_o describe_v the_o pastor_n to_o be_v a_o bishop_n over_o one_o particular_a church_n excel_v in_o the_o word_n of_o wisdom_n the_o teacher_n to_o be_v a_o bishop_n over_o one_o particular_a church_n excel_v in_o the_o word_n of_o knowledge_n the_o governor_n to_o be_v a_o bishop_n of_o one_o particular_a visible_a church_n excel_v in_o wise_a government_n thus_o have_v he_o write_v and_o yet_o we_o have_v no_o other_o ministry_n than_o he_o himself_o approve_v charge_v we_o to_o have_v a_o false_a ministry_n not_o care_v to_o cross_v himself_o so_o he_o may_v utter_v his_o bitterness_n against_o the_o church_n of_o christ_n the_o 3._o corruption_n this_o adversary_n charge_v we_o withal_o be_v false_a worship_n of_o read_v book_n this_o he_o say_v but_o prove_v it_o not_o i_o will_v brief_o set_v down_o our_o practice_n that_o the_o reader_n may_v take_v notice_n how_o unjust_o we_o be_v charge_v 1._o for_o prayer_n &_o give_v of_o thanks_o that_o be_v public_o perform_v by_o our_o pastor_n or_o teacher_n who_o invocate_v the_o name_n of_o god_n &_o praise_v he_o for_o his_o benefit_n â—s_v the_o spirit_n direct_v their_o heart_n to_o conceive_v and_o give_v utterance_n &_o without_o the_o use_n of_o any_o book_n during_o that_o action_n according_a to_o those_o â—ptures_n rom._n 8._o 26._o 27._o eph._n 6_o 18_o 19_o col._n 4_o 2._o act._n 6_o 4._o num._n 6_o 23._o â—4_n 27._o nehem._n 9_o 3_o 38._o ezra_n 9_o 5_o 15._o &_o 10._o 1._o joel._n 2_o 17._o 2._o they_o read_v the_o holy_a scripture_n translate_v into_o our_o own_o language_n â—me_n two_o or_o three_o chapter_n or_o more_o as_o time_n will_v serve_v show_v brief_o the_o â—eaning_n thereof_o which_o be_v warrant_v by_o these_o scripture_n neh._n 8_o 3_o 8._o â—eut_n 31_o 11._o act._n 15_o 21._o col._n 4_o 16._o 1_o thes_n 5._o 27._o 1_o tim._n 4_o 13._o 3._o the_o pastor_n or_o teacher_n take_v some_o scripture_n which_o they_o ordinary_o allow_v and_o after_o the_o read_n thereof_o do_v expound_v and_o apply_v the_o same_o by_o doctrine_n exhortation_n etc._n etc._n to_o the_o further_a edification_n of_o the_o church_n according_a to_o these_o scripture_n luk._n 4._o 16._o 21._o act._n 8._o 35._o &_o 13_o 15._o and_o 26._o 7._o â—_o tim._n 4_o 13._o 2_o tim._n 4_o 2._o and_o together_o with_o the_o preach_n of_o the_o word_n the_o sacrament_n be_v administer_v after_o the_o rule_n of_o christ_n with_o prayer_n and_o thanksgiving_n according_a to_o these_o scripture_n mat._n 28_o 19_o 1_o cor._n 11_o 23._o etc._n etc._n act._n 20_o 7._o etc._n etc._n 4._o some_o of_o the_o psalm_n of_o david_n before_o and_o after_o the_o exercise_n of_o the_o â—ord_n the_o same_o be_v first_o read_v and_o open_v by_o the_o pastor_n or_o teacher_n be_v â—ing_v of_o the_o whole_a church_n together_o to_o the_o praise_n of_o god_n and_o our_o own_o edification_n according_a to_o these_o scripture_n eph._n 5_o 19_o col._n 3_o 16._o mat_n 26_o
30._o act._n 16_o 25._o psal_n 95._o &_o 92_o 1._o &_o 66._o 2._o &_o 89._o 1._o last_o each_o one_o as_o he_o be_v able_a contribute_v to_o the_o treasury_n whereby_o the_o officer_n &_o poor_a of_o the_o church_n be_v maynteyn_v according_a to_o these_o scripture_n 1_o tim._n 5_o 17._o 18._o 1_o cor._n 9_o 7-14_a gal._n 6._o 6._o 1_o tim._n 5._o 16._o luk._n 2d_o 1._o 2_o 3._o 4._o mat._n 26_o 9_o 10._o 11._o act._n 2_o 42._o 45_o 46._o &_o 4_o 34._o 35._o 37._o 1_o cor._n 16._o 1_o 2._o â—_o cor._n 8_o 4_o 1â—_n and_o this_o be_v that_o worship_n and_o service_n we_o public_o practice_v which_o mr._n s._n call_v false_a worship_n how_o true_o let_v the_o reader_n now_o judge_n four_o concern_v the_o government_n of_o our_o church_n which_o also_o this_o adversary_n tax_v first_o the_o governor_n that_o we_o have_v be_v such_o as_o christ_n have_v appoint_v in_o his_o church_n viz._n pastor_n teacher_n &_o elder_n and_o such_o as_o m._n s._n 8._o s._n principle_n pag._n 18._o question_n &_o answer_n pag._n 8._o affirm_v the_o eldership_n to_o consist_v of_o the_o two_o former_a both_o teach_n and_o rule_v the_o elder_n employ_v in_o the_o government_n only_o elect_v of_o the_o church_n for_o the_o overse_v govern_v &_o guide_v of_o the_o same_o by_o the_o rule_n of_o christ_n who_o office_n and_o authority_n of_o rule_v be_v warrant_v by_o these_o scripture_n 1_o tim._n â—_o 5._o 17._o rom._n 12._o 6._o 7._o 8._o 1_o cor._n 12._o 28._o 1_o tim._n 3._o 5._o with_o rev._n 2._o 2._o 14._o 15._o act._n 20._o 28._o heb._n 13_o 8._o 24._o again_o as_o touch_v the_o censure_n we_o proceed_v therein_o after_o chriâ—â—s_n 〈…〉_o private_a fault_n use_v private_a admonition_n and_o for_o public_a open_a reb_n 〈…〉_o according_v to_o these_o scripture_n mat._n 18._o 15._o 17._o 1._o tim._n 5._o 20._o 2._o cor._n 2._o 6._o and_o when_o the_o offender_n continue_v obstinate_a in_o their_o sin_n after_o due_a admonition_n and_o conviction_n by_o the_o word_n of_o god_n the_o church_n be_v gather_v together_o the_o pastor_n or_o teacher_n or_o one_o of_o the_o elder_n in_o the_o name_n &_o by_o the_o power_n of_o our_o lord_n jesus_n christ_n pronounce_v the_o sentence_n of_o excommunication_n against_o they_o all_o the_o brethren_n consent_v according_a to_o these_o scripture_n mat._n 18._o 17._o 19_o 1._o cor._n 5._o 3._o 4._o etc._n etc._n 1._o tim._n 1._o 20._o and_o if_o the_o excomunicate_a do_v repent_v he_o be_v with_o the_o church_n consent_v receive_v again_o into_o the_o communion_n thereof_o by_o some_o of_o the_o governor_n according_a to_o these_o scripture_n 2._o cor._n 2._o â—7_n 11._o mat._n 18._o 18._o 20._o what_o mr._n smyth_n can_v fault_n in_o this_o or_o in_o any_o other_o of_o our_o practice_n he_o may_v at_o his_o leisure_n discover_v the_o same_o if_o he_o be_v not_o already_o satisfy_v now_o beside_o these_o false_a imputation_n it_o please_v mr._n smyth_n to_o utter_v against_o this_o church_n many_o uncharitable_a and_o reproachful_a speech_n wish_v also_o as_o the_o tyrant_n wish_v concern_v the_o people_n of_o rome_n that_o all_o their_o head_n be_v join_v into_o one_o etc._n etc._n to_o pass_v by_o his_o tart_a and_o bitter_a speech_n unbeseeming_a a_o professor_n of_o the_o gospel_n concern_v his_o wish_n i_o do_v certify_v he_o thus_o much_o that_o if_o it_o be_v grant_v that_o the_o separation_n have_v but_o one_o head_n his_o wooden_a sword_n of_o man_n doctrine_n will_v never_o be_v able_a to_o smite_v it_o of_o well_o may_v he_o carry_v the_o tyrant_n mind_n but_o for_o his_o wish_n i_o trust_v he_o shall_v find_v a_o like_a effect_n thereof_o as_o the_o tyrant_n do_v of_o his_o who_o contrary_a to_o his_o expectation_n find_v the_o people_n of_o rome_n not_o to_o have_v one_o head_n but_o many_o hand_n to_o smite_v of_o his_o head_n so_o this_o wisher_n shall_v find_v that_o the_o separation_n have_v many_o hand_n to_o convince_v his_o abominable_a error_n and_o whereas_o he_o desire_v the_o separation_n that_o they_o will_v not_o in_o craftiness_n withdraw_v from_o the_o combat_n as_o hitherto_o they_o have_v do_v in_o the_o matter_n of_o the_o translation_n worship_n and_o presbytery_n etc._n etc._n he_o himself_o now_o know_v that_o he_o have_v answer_v to_o all_o these_o thing_n and_o if_o any_o delay_n have_v be_v herein_o it_o be_v not_o any_o withdraw_n through_o craftiness_n as_o he_o false_o charge_v we_o but_o we_o see_v he_o so_o mutable_a and_o inconstant_a and_o his_o latter_a writing_n to_o overthrow_v his_o former_a that_o his_o own_o work_n will_v be_v a_o sufficient_a confutation_n thereof_o and_o now_o that_o there_o be_v so_o great_a occasion_n of_o answer_n and_o that_o he_o so_o insult_v upon_o the_o differ_v thereof_o he_o have_v his_o answer_n give_fw-ge he_o for_o 〈…〉_o his_o speech_n of_o charge_v and_o challendge_v we_o to_o the_o defence_n of_o â—rors_n i_o hope_v he_o will_v stay_v his_o pen_n henceforth_o from_o such_o vanity_n see_v â—â—â—e_a not_o ashamed_a or_o yet_o neglect_v to_o undertake_v the_o defence_n of_o that_o truth_n â—_o profess_v and_o to_o manifest_v that_o he_o be_v a_o defender_n of_o error_n and_o not_o we_o as_o â—e_v scanderous_o report_v of_o us._n furthermore_o mr_n smyth_n require_v of_o the_o separation_n and_o of_o all_o man_n not_o â—_o impute_v unto_o they_o the_o deny_v of_o the_o old_a testament_n the_o lord_n day_n the_o â—â—â—â—stracy_n and_o humanity_n of_o christ_n why_o this_o request_n shall_v be_v make_v i_o know_v â—ot_n unless_o they_o will_v bear_v the_o world_n in_o hand_n that_o they_o be_v not_o taint_v â—ith_o these_o error_n which_o other_o anabaptist_n do_v hold_v concern_v the_o â—st_n of_o they_o mr._n sm._n affirm_v that_o the_o lord_n make_v with_o his_o people_n under_o â—e_n old_a testament_n a_o carnal_a covenant_n deny_v that_o everlasting_a covenant_n in_o christ_n to_o be_v give_fw-ge unto_o they_o or_o circumcision_n to_o be_v the_o seal_n thereof_o he_o â—so_o deny_v the_o seed_n of_o the_o faithful_a to_o be_v within_o the_o covenant_n of_o grace_n â—yther_o before_o or_o since_o christ_n come_n contrary_a to_o gen._n 17._o 7._o act._n 2._o â—9_n and_o therefore_o i_o can_v see_v but_o that_o the_o deny_v both_o of_o the_o old_a and_o â—ew_a testament_n in_o this_o respect_n may_v just_o be_v impute_v unto_o he_o as_o in_o this_o treatise_n follow_v it_o will_v appear_v for_o their_o deny_v of_o the_o lord_n day_n as_o yet_o we_o have_v little_a to_o say_v notwithâ—anding_v it_o be_v report_v that_o some_o of_o their_o company_n make_v question_n thereof_o but_o concern_v the_o magistracy_n mr._n smyth_n bewray_v his_o unsoundnes_n â—_o these_o word_n but_o of_o magistrate_n convert_v to_o the_o faith_n and_o admit_v into_o the_o church_n by_o baptism_n there_o may_v question_n be_v make_v which_o to_o answer_v we_o can_v if_o we_o â—â—â—ld_v when_o such_o thing_n fall_v out_o the_o lord_n we_o doubt_v not_o will_v direct_v we_o into_o the_o truth_n concerrn_v that_o matter_n here_o let_v the_o reader_n observe_v how_o they_o plead_v ignorance_n in_o the_o matter_n of_o the_o christian_a magistrate_n if_o so_o they_o think_v of_o his_o authority_n that_o he_o be_v of_o the_o church_n be_v to_o bear_v the_o sword_n and_o they_o of_o the_o church_n to_o obey_v he_o as_o have_v civil_a power_n over_o they_o and_o who_o he_o may_v command_v in_o defence_n of_o religion_n &_o of_o his_o country_n to_o take_v up_o arm_n then_o need_v not_o he_o thus_o to_o speak_v for_o by_o his_o word_n they_o geve_v we_o to_o conjecture_v that_o they_o think_v more_o may_v be_v yield_v to_o a_o heathen_a ruler_n then_o to_o a_o christian_a magistrate_n if_o they_o be_v clear_a in_o this_o point_n they_o may_v so_o explain_v their_o mind_n also_o in_o this_o plead_a ignorance_n of_o the_o magistracy_n they_o seem_v to_o tax_v the_o new_a testament_n not_o to_o be_v so_o plain_a as_o mr_n smyth_n affirm_v where_o he_o say_v all_o the_o ordinance_n of_o the_o new_a testament_n be_v plain_o teach_v by_o c_o 〈…〉_o his_o disciple_n character_n pag._n 34._o now_o if_o all_o thing_n be_v teach_v in_o the_o new_a testament_n why_o then_o can_v he_o not_o answer_v those_o many_o question_n that_o may_v be_v make_v about_o the_o christian_a magistrate_n or_o why_o look_v he_o for_o new_a direction_n well_o this_o i_o perceive_v that_o either_o he_o must_v deny_v the_o authority_n of_o the_o christian_a magistrate_n or_o be_v drive_v to_o confess_v that_o the_o writing_n of_o the_o apostle_n be_v not_o plain_a enough_o to_o describe_v his_o office_n and_o authority_n without_o the_o scripture_n of_o the_o old_a testament_n from_o which_o if_o it_o be_v lawful_a to_o reason_n concern_v this_o matter_n of_o the_o magistracy_n
such_o imputation_n but_o yourself_o be_v become_v faulty_a in_o calumniate_a the_o ordinance_n of_o christ_n viz_o the_o baptism_n of_o infant_n account_v it_o a_o antichristian_a error_n which_o i_o wish_v you_o well_o to_o consider_v of_o and_o not_o to_o add_v sin_n unto_o sin_n both_o in_o plead_v for_o error_n and_o in_o disgrace_v the_o truth_n and_o the_o professor_n thereof_o further_o you_o say_v it_o will_v not_o help_v i_o that_o these_o two_o truth_n have_v be_v condemn_v for_o heresy_n by_o the_o church_n in_o all_o age_n for_o if_o the_o apostle_n afford_v contrary_a to_o the_o succeed_a age_n that_o which_o be_v most_o ancient_a be_v the_o truth_n i_o grant_v if_o you_o can_v prove_v that_o the_o apostle_n age_n affoard_v contrary_a to_o the_o succeed_a age_n for_o the_o iustifieng_v of_o these_o your_o opinion_n that_o then_o you_o have_v good_a warrant_n of_o your_o side_n for_o call_v they_o truth_n but_o if_o the_o church_n which_o have_v condemn_v your_o position_n 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mat._n 11._o 6._o but_o if_o you_o which_o have_v stand_v for_o the_o truth_n shall_v now_o by_o publish_v of_o error_n cause_n the_o truth_n to_o be_v the_o more_o blaspheme_v &_o give_v offence_n to_o weak_a professor_n that_o be_v your_o sin_n and_o will_v be_v too_o heavy_a to_o be_v answer_v at_o the_o judgement_n day_n if_o you_o repent_v not_o and_o as_o for_o our_o church_n which_o you_o blasphemous_o call_v antichristian_a know_v you_o that_o i_o do_v not_o fear_v the_o fall_n of_o it_o for_o it_o be_v build_v upon_o the_o foundation_n of_o the_o apostle_n &_o prophet_n jesus_n christ_n himself_o be_v the_o chief_a corner_n stone_n ephe._n 2_o 20._o which_o have_v a_o sure_a promise_n that_o the_o gate_n of_o hell_n shall_v not_o prevail_v against_o it_o mat._n 16._o 18._o and_o therefore_o your_o anathema_n can_v hurt_v we_o but_o shall_v rebound_v back_o again_o whence_o it_o come_v 4._o you_o say_v though_o i_o have_v profess_v to_o forsake_v my_o error_n upon_o their_o discovery_n and_o as_o i_o have_v practise_v for_o which_o i_o be_o reproach_v among_o your_o brethren_n yet_o i_o never_o profeess_v my_o readiness_n to_o be_v pervert_v from_o the_o truth_n which_o you_o call_v heresy_n and_o therefore_o if_o you_o do_v undertake_v to_o write_v upon_o this_o ground_n you_o may_v well_o have_v spare_v your_o pain_n and_o save_v yourself_o from_o so_o grevous_a a_o sin_n by_o plead_v for_o antichristian_a corruption_n etc._n etc._n the_o ground_n of_o my_o persuasion_n concern_v your_o willingness_n to_o yield_v unto_o the_o truth_n do_v arise_v partly_o from_o that_o persuasion_n which_o i_o have_v of_o your_o sanctification_n and_o partly_o from_o the_o speech_n of_o the_o messenger_n before_o name_v â—ho_fw-mi do_v affirm_v unto_o i_o that_o if_o i_o can_v manifest_v by_o the_o word_n of_o god_n â—hat_n it_o be_v error_n which_o you_o hold_v you_o will_v acknowledge_v it_o and_o still_o â—ou_fw-mi say_v if_o you_o be_v in_o error_n it_o be_v 71._o 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sin_n etc._n etc._n it_o shall_v not_o have_v be_v repeat_v so_o that_o to_o be_v member_n of_o a_o false_a church_n shall_v not_o hinder_v the_o efficacy_n of_o baptism_n again_o if_o antichrist_n intend_v in_o baptism_n to_o set_v a_o indelible_a character_n to_o confer_v grace_n ex_fw-la opere_fw-la operato_fw-la to_o infant_n and_o therefore_o set_v up_o his_o own_o idol_n as_o you_o say_v what_o say_v you_o to_o his_o baptise_v of_o the_o indian_n which_o be_v of_o year_n for_o he_o intend_v the_o same_o thing_n and_o yet_o his_o so_o baptise_v of_o the_o elder_a sort_n etc._n etc._n you_o will_v not_o have_v repeat_v so_o by_o your_o own_o opinion_n to_o set_v a_o indelible_a character_n to_o confer_v grace_n ex_fw-la operâ—_fw-la operato_fw-la be_v no_o good_a reason_n to_o prove_v the_o â—â—erating_n of_o child_n baptism_n for_o than_o shall_v it_o do_v so_o in_o the_o elder_a people_n confess_v their_o sin_n etc._n etc._n as_o for_o the_o promise_n make_v by_o other_o for_o 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of_o the_o israelite_n in_o the_o like_a cause_n 2_o chro._n 3â—_n 6_o 11_o 21._o as_o before_o i_o have_v show_v 3._o that_o infant_n be_v to_o be_v baptize_v i_o have_v already_o prove_v and_o to_o baptise_v a_o jew_n turk_n fool_n etc._n etc._n continue_v in_o their_o infidelity_n madness_n etc._n etc._n we_o do_v not_o affirm_v it_o lawful_a nor_o yet_o the_o baptism_n of_o apostat_n for_o all_o such_o abuse_n that_o holy_a ceremony_n be_v guilty_a thereof_o as_o they_o be_v of_o the_o body_n and_o blood_n of_o christ_n that_o receive_v it_o unworthe_o 1_o cor._n 11._o the_o true_a form_n of_o baptism_n consist_v in_o 3._o thing_n 1._o wash_v with_o water_n 2._o a_o new_a ans_fw-fr ans_fw-fr creature_n 3._o into_o the_o name_n of_o christ_n or_o into_o the_o trinity_n this_o might_n also_o be_v grant_v save_v that_o by_o new_a creature_n you_o mind_v only_o â—p_n â—p_n such_o as_o be_v of_o year_n and_o so_o appear_v to_o we_o new_a creature_n by_o their_o profession_n exclude_v infant_n who_o also_o must_v be_v so_o accept_v of_o we_o inrespect_n of_o the_o covenant_n whereof_o they_o be_v partaker_n as_o well_o as_o their_o parent_n also_o the_o child_n of_o the_o faithful_a may_v be_v esteem_v new_a creature_n see_v they_o be_v holy_a and_o be_v so_o to_o be_v account_v till_o they_o manifest_a themselves_o otherwise_o which_o may_v be_v the_o case_n of_o old_a person_n as_o of_o s._n magus_n etc._n etc._n and_o the_o apostle_n in_o the_o place_n allege_v speak_v of_o such_o as_o be_v of_o year_n and_o by_o the_o speech_n of_o a_o new_a creature_n impli_v a_o special_a use_n and_o fruit_n of_o the_o thing_n signify_v by_o the_o outward_a sign_n and_o so_o be_v not_o a_o part_n of_o the_o external_a form_n of_o baptism_n †_o as_o by_o 11_o
to_o baptism_n by_o reason_n of_o the_o faith_n repl._n repl._n of_o some_o of_o their_o ancestor_n that_o be_v faithful_a then_o be_v they_o the_o true_a matter_n of_o the_o visible_a church_n etc._n etc._n we_o do_v not_o say_v that_o the_o infant_n of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n have_v title_n to_o an._n an._n baptism_n by_o reason_n of_o their_o ancestor_n faith_n but_o do_v affirm_v that_o in_o respect_n of_o that_o apostatical_a stand_n neither_o infant_n nor_o their_o parent_n have_v right_a to_o any_o of_o god_n ordinance_n neither_o be_v it_o enough_o that_o people_n be_v elect_v and_o thereby_o to_o have_v right_a to_o god_n covenant_n etc._n etc._n before_o god_n but_o to_o be_v member_n of_o the_o visible_a church_n and_o partaker_n of_o the_o holy_a thing_n there_o must_v be_v a_o 4_o a_o rev._n 18._o 4_o visible_a go_v out_o of_o babylon_n â—6_n babylon_n 2_o cor._n 6._o â—6_n fâ—r_v what_o agreement_n have_v the_o temple_n of_o god_n with_o idol_n the_o vessel_n of_o the_o lord_n must_v be_v carry_v out_o to_o jerusalem_n &_o then_o be_v they_o in_o their_o due_a place_n and_o shall_v have_v their_o true_a use_n which_o in_o their_o romish_a stand_v they_o can_v not_o have_v albeit_o in_o babylon_n they_o be_v the_o vessel_n of_o the_o lord_n and_o herein_o be_v you_o deceive_v that_o if_o any_o of_o the_o ordinance_n of_o god_n be_v retain_v in_o the_o hand_n of_o autichristians_n these_o ordinance_n must_v either_o make_v they_o a_o true_a visible_a church_n or_o be_v none_o of_o he_o and_o when_o they_o be_v bring_v out_o thence_o have_v no_o use_n these_o thing_n may_v also_o answer_v that_o which_o follow_v for_o upon_o this_o that_o we_o deny_v baptism_n administer_v in_o popery_n to_o be_v iterate_v you_o will_v conclude_v these_o absurdity_n to_o follow_v viz._n that_o infant_n of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n be_v a_o true_a visible_a ch_z in_o the_o constitution_n &_o essential_a repl._n repl._n cause_n thereof_o that_o the_o church_n in_o 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